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Dear god, please trade away or just demote Seanez to the minors. Now I see why he is called Mr. Inherited Runners.


Edit: Thank God the Braves set up men are a bit worse than the Sox.
 
[quote name='doubledown']Yep, I'll say it again....

Detroit Tigers - Best Record in Baseball.

I love it :)[/quote]

I'll be glad when you eat your words, as you've had nothing worthwhile to contribute to this topic.

So please feel free to leave. And if you want to stay, then make conversation, instead useless trolling, as you're trolling this topic with your idoitic banter.
 
[quote name='craven_fiend']Dear god, please trade away or just demote Seanez to the minors. Now I see why he is called Mr. Inherited Runners.


Edit: Thank God the Braves set up men are a bit worse than the Sox.[/QUOTE]

hehe that could be the number reason why they are holding last place in the NL...a place very unfamiliar to them...like 1st place is unfamiliar to us....

they could trade seanez to the Dbacks for Julio hehe...i know how you feel craven...i was happy to see julio dealt away for the same reason..
 
The detroit tigers are either going to be last years whitesox or orioles. My money is orioles, as baltimore had a lot of young pitching and then got hit with several key injuires and they couldn't keep it up. Detroit does have a good manager though.
 
[quote name='ryanbph']The detroit tigers are either going to be last years whitesox or orioles. My money is orioles, as baltimore had a lot of young pitching and then got hit with several key injuires and they couldn't keep it up. Detroit does have a good manager though.[/QUOTE]

yeah i think it was all the manager...i bet Allan Trammel cant do what they are doing this year...leyland kicked that team in to shape...they could be this years white sox but i really want to see what happends at deadline...see if theo or billy beane make some moves..im expecting omar minaya to be very active in shopping heilman...

yeah i think they will slow down.i know maroth is really injury prone and he will get hurt down the strectch and im still expecting magglio to go down..
 
[quote name='craven_fiend']I'll be glad when you eat your words, as you've had nothing worthwhile to contribute to this topic.

So please feel free to leave. And if you want to stay, then make conversation, instead useless trolling, as you're trolling this topic with your idoitic banter.[/QUOTE]

Ok, I'll be educated now....Detroit is over-achieving a bit this year. They have excellent ptiching for the first time in about 15 years. The offense is slipping a bit lately, but they are still winning close games. Last night they had another nice comeback.

Leyland looks like a god next to Trammell...he was a horrid manager, too bad since he meant so much to the Tigers.

I still loath Todd Jones....Zumaya or Rodney might be a better closer right now. It's bad when our closer has an ERA around 7.00

MAROTH is already injured BTW. Zach Minor has filled in great the past couple of starts. Magglio is looking better than ever this year....I expect him to be healthy all year. Dimitri Young is the real puzzle....I wonder if he'll see the field again with all his off-field problems. Shelton also needs to pick up his offense...the beginning of the season looks more like a fluke now.

But, still in first.

Happy :)
 
[quote name='doubledown']
MAROTH is already injured BTW. Zach Minor has filled in great the past couple of starts. Magglio is looking better than ever this year....I expect him to be healthy all year. Dimitri Young is the real puzzle....I wonder if he'll see the field again with all his off-field problems. Shelton also needs to pick up his offense...the beginning of the season looks more like a fluke now.

But, still in first.

Happy :)[/QUOTE]
At first I thought you were saying the beginning of the season for the team was looking like a fluke... but yes, Shelton was not going to be a 40 homer guy, though he can still smoke 'em as he did against Prior. Along with the rest of the team.

And craven, there will be no eating of words. If Detroit plays even .500 ball the rest of the season (compared to their current .662), they will have 90 wins. Oh noes! They are right where they need to be. They are still struggling against the top teams (3-10 against Boston, NY, and Chicago), but that makes them 44-14 against the rest of the league. I'll take a Wild Card calibur team in Detroit with glee.
 
[quote name='doubledown']I still loath Todd Jones....Zumaya or Rodney might be a better closer right now. It's bad when our closer has an ERA around 7.00


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as i said before...Zumaya will even be better then bonderman...i just have a gut feeling....shitty reason i know...but i love his fastball and he is just as young as i bonderman i think..too lazy to check up stats..i think jones is fine at closer...they have the offense to not even worry about close games..if this is the case than than jones should be even more healthy and less tired down the stretch. so far the tigers have even taken over the indians as the team of the future but we will see...i think leyland is the main reason why that team was kicked in to shape. the tigs are great right now..i cant wait for the the second half starts..thats where it will get fun...

so craven,ryanbph....ready for the mets/sox series at the end of the month....i wanted to get tix to those games but i dunno if summer school permits me to go...hell i would even take a train to boston to catch one..
 
I still don't agree with your comment on Jones....He's blown 3 or 4 saves already. No closer should have an ERA that high...although, he does have 19 saves also, so he is doing something right.
 
[quote name='integralsmatic']so craven,ryanbph....ready for the mets/sox series at the end of the month....i wanted to get tix to those games but i dunno if summer school permits me to go...hell i would even take a train to boston to catch one..[/quote]

I am looking forward to it. And the Mets current series has me excited too. The Reds are still in it in the Central, and hold the wildcard lead as well. I hope they can keep it up, as I've got tickets to the series opener against the Dodgers in August, hopefully it'll be a good game. The Reds are my 2nd favorite team, with my favorite player (Griffey), next to the Sox.

As for the Sox/Mets series, that should be an intense series, and hopefully it will be as exciting as it appears on paper. I would love to go to Fenway one of these years, probably 2 years away so I have money to spend, as it would cost over $1000 for me to go see a Red Sox games (hotel, travel, and game).
 
My friend has tix for the beckett vs martinez game. Hopefully he will invite me instead of his lady. If not, it is off to the scalpers. :cry:
 
Wow, another excellent performance from Zach Minor from the Tigers. I wonder what happens when Maroth comes off the DL....if he does. I know he's on the 60 day shelf.

We'll see, if Minor keeps this up....Maroth may just take the year off ;)
 
Saw this bit of info not too long ago on ESPN, can't find a link though.

Red Sox:

Acquired pitcher Jason Johnson from the Cleveland Indians for a player to be named or cash considerations; optioned pitcher Kyle Snyder to Pawtucket of the International League (AAA); announced outfielder Dustan Mohr has elected free agency instead of accepting an outright assignment to Pawtucket.

Edit: I didn't realize JT Snow was designated for assignment. And I was really hoping he'd fit in there, but its good to see Youk holding strong.
 
[quote name='craven_fiend']Saw this bit of info not too long ago on ESPN, can't find a link though.

Red Sox:

Acquired pitcher Jason Johnson from the Cleveland Indians for a player to be named or cash considerations; optioned pitcher Kyle Snyder to Pawtucket of the International League (AAA); announced outfielder Dustan Mohr has elected free agency instead of accepting an outright assignment to Pawtucket.

Edit: I didn't realize JT Snow was designated for assignment. And I was really hoping he'd fit in there, but its good to see Youk holding strong.[/QUOTE]

wow and i thought they would go for a reliever but this will do for them...so i guess this means papelbon is definitley staying at closer? wow i didnt even know jt snow was on the sox..shows how much i know haha

yeah im thinking of getting tix to the sox/mets because my cousin lives in beantown so when i go up and see him i want to catch the mets game also...
martinez's return should be a treat to watch..
 
I didn't know that 3-8 with a 5.96 ERA was considered good these days. Glad to see some roster moves finally being made and hopefully they'll light a fire under these guys asses; this team has way to much potential to be 7 games below .500 like they are.
 
He started out alright, but he's never been a 'good' pitcher; I think he's something like 20 games below .500 in his career. Anyways, he just sort of went down the shitter after his first two or three starts.

And now that I've checked MLB.com, he's actually closer to 40 games below .500 in his career (55-94). Cleveland picked him up to be a 5th starter that could eat up some innings and possibly keep a game close, assuming that his record wasn't ALL his fault -- after all, he'd been on such great teams as the Devil Rays, Orioles, and Tigers during his career. Obviously that didn't work out, and I can't say I'm too sad to see him go with how he's been pitching.
 
[quote name='Genocidal']He started out alright, but he's never been a 'good' pitcher; I think he's something like 20 games below .500 in his career. Anyways, he just sort of went down the shitter after his first two or three starts.

And now that I've checked MLB.com, he's actually closer to 40 games below .500 in his career (55-94). Cleveland picked him up to be a 5th starter that could eat up some innings and possibly keep a game close, assuming that his record wasn't ALL his fault -- after all, he'd been on such great teams as the Devil Rays, Orioles, and Tigers during his career. Obviously that didn't work out, and I can't say I'm too sad to see him go with how he's been pitching.[/QUOTE]

it always seems to me that jason johnson is one of those potential guys... he has the potential to become good but he is always subpar at best...i was kind of surprised to see him do this bad the tribe. they have the offense and defense to back the pitchers up...well the sox didnt give up much for him so he is either going to bullpen to aid their woes in there or become a 5th starter...my vote goes to bullpen.
 
Since 1997 of any pitcher with a min of 1000 ip, he has the WORST winning % in basball. Yes he did play for some pathetic clubs that didn't help, but he is horrible, at least snyder was a #4 pick in the 99 draft, he does have some upside after the numerous surgeries he has had. It was a horrible move by the sox, unless they can get him to be the garbage man in the bullpen, and maybe that will put pressure on the other 2 garbage men, seanez and tavarez
 
whats cags opinion on the ozzie vs Jay Marriotti...why did ozzie say that in the first place, did the writter say or do something to piss him off. I have heard a lot of mixed commentary on it. Some talking about ozzie being out of line, while I have heard a lot about what a putz marriotti is. Any Chicago Cags have any opinions on it?
 
[quote name='ryanbph']whats cags opinion on the ozzie vs Jay Marriotti...why did ozzie say that in the first place, did the writter say or do something to piss him off. I have heard a lot of mixed commentary on it. Some talking about ozzie being out of line, while I have heard a lot about what a putz marriotti is. Any Chicago Cags have any opinions on it?[/quote]

From what I've gathered out of the situation, not quite a Chicago CAG but they are like the 2nd coming in this area, but Marriotti wrote an article talking about Guillen, not sure what it was about, and Guilllen apparently didn't like the article.


And as for what Guillen said about the language training, if you're going to work and/or live here, learn the language or leave. If he's too full of himself to attend the necessary sensitivity training, he should be punished accordingly.
 
Marriotti, from what I've heard, really digs into the White Sox, especially Guillen. Still though, I don' think that gives him the excuse to use that kind of language.
 
[quote name='senorwoohoo']Marriotti, from what I've heard, really digs into the White Sox, especially Guillen. Still though, I don' think that gives him the excuse to use that kind of language.[/QUOTE]

THe article that Mariotti wrote was about Guillen screaming at Sean Tracey and then having him sent down to triple A after Tracey did no hit a batter as retaliation ib a game a few weeks ago.

Also, Guillen has been upset about other things that Mariotti has written about him. Bottom line, he needs to deal with criticism better and realize that he is in the spotlight, He has to be more careful with what he says and how he says it.
 
while gullen might need to deal w/ criticsim better, shouldn't mariotti deal with cheap shots better. From what I have heard about him, that is all he does, take shots at people in his articles. With what Ozzie said about him, and now marriotti is not going into the locker room because he fears bodily harm. The 2 players that had threatened him, were tony phillips (long gone) and crazy Carl Everett, who is with Seattle now. If you can't handle being called out in public, maybe mariotti shouldn't be writting. As for the sensitivity training, the community that should be most upset with Ozzie is the homosexual one. I haven't heard any of there groups come out and be upset/want his head because of what he said. If that community isn't upset about it, then the actions by bud selig are laughable. Espically considering brett, I beat the shit out of my wife, myers got to pitch in a game within days of being arrested for spousal abuse. There were several eye witnesses to the altercation. Then the hgh/steroid shit. And bud selig says ozzie needs to take sensativity training because baseball need to set the social bar. Bud should clean out the closet of mlbs dirty laundry before dealing with ozzie imo.
 
[quote name='ryanbph']while gullen might need to deal w/ criticsim better, shouldn't mariotti deal with cheap shots better. From what I have heard about him, that is all he does, take shots at people in his articles. With what Ozzie said about him, and now marriotti is not going into the locker room because he fears bodily harm. The 2 players that had threatened him, were tony phillips (long gone) and crazy Carl Everett, who is with Seattle now. If you can't handle being called out in public, maybe mariotti shouldn't be writting. As for the sensitivity training, the community that should be most upset with Ozzie is the homosexual one. I haven't heard any of there groups come out and be upset/want his head because of what he said. If that community isn't upset about it, then the actions by bud selig are laughable. Espically considering brett, I beat the shit out of my wife, myers got to pitch in a game within days of being arrested for spousal abuse. There were several eye witnesses to the altercation. Then the hgh/steroid shit. And bud selig says ozzie needs to take sensativity training because baseball need to set the social bar. Bud should clean out the closet of mlbs dirty laundry before dealing with ozzie imo.[/QUOTE]

Do a little research next time. Homosexual groups HAVE come out and been upset about his comments. The Myers incident is different. He will be punished if convicted, but until then, nothing can be done becaue he has not been proven guilty of anything. Ozzie stated it publicly to a reporter, so Selig had to act right away. As for Mariotti taking cheap shots, that may be, but his job is to critique and comment on things. If Guillen had just said he was not happy with what Mariotti was saying, that would be one thing, but he didn't.
 
I am sorry, but when 2 different shows on fox sports are claiming no major Homosexual group has said anything, I am going to take there word for it. I type in homosexual groups + ozzie guillen, and I get nothing except for stories on his comments, not about groups coming out and bitching to mlb. So if you have a major group that is national, rather then a small regional one looking to get in front of the camera, please share.

While I think ozzie is full of shit when he claims "fag" means something else in his country, and he didn't mean it in the americain version of the word, it is allegedly true that is does have other meanings in his native country. IMO, i think it is an easy excuse for him, but if one can argue, that brett myers needs to be convicted, even know there were several 3rd party witnesses, then one also has to take into account ozzies excuse and no punishment should be given. There was the kenny rogers incident about a year ago with the reporter caught on tape, and he was still going to be allowed to play in the all star game. There is HGH shit going down everywhere, there is ozzie ordering his pitcher to hit a player, and the only thing MLB does is order ozzie to go to sensativity training because of an comment. This is the best the governing body of MLB can do.
 
I'm still willing to give up Benitez for nothing. He has to go and we already have a better closer right now in Accardo.

Props to Ray for hitting that HR yesterday...
 
[quote name='ryanbph']While I think ozzie is full of shit when he claims "fag" means something else in his country, and he didn't mean it in the americain version of the word, it is allegedly true that is does have other meanings in his native country. [/quote]

I thought he called Mariotti a cigarette and I was like what's the big deal?
 
[quote name='javeryh']I thought he called Mariotti a cigarette and I was like what's the big deal?[/QUOTE]
Guillen's British? I had no idea!
 
Mariotti goes after every Chicago team. He hates the Cubs and the trib. company, Murders the Blackhawks, pokes at the Bears, and second guesses the bulls. I can call him fair in that regard, but Ozzie has the right to go off about anything written about him. Just don't throw out slurs.
 
Wow, another sweep for the Tigers over St. Louis....nice. Some nice comback/late inning wins there also. They still amaze me.

I was watching the Houston/ChiSox game also....I cannot believe Houston blew a 9-2 lead.....luckily they won it. Glad the ChiSox finally lost a game....
 
thanks, I also found it with a quick google search. awsome play.

[MEDIA]http://youtube.com/watch?v=u1VQtukn00c&search=Miguel%20Cabrera[/MEDIA]
 
It may be another win, but it proves that Saenez is the biggest piece of shit on the team. They need to drop his ass already.

Edit: Damnit, I want to see that video, and its no longer available on YouTube, due to no MLB consent.
 
[quote name='senorwoohoo']Seanez is a pretty big piece of shit, but I think Tavarez tops him.[/quote]

Yeah, I might have to agree on that. Lets hope JJ doesn't have to fight them in that department. If so, then thats pathetic. Maybe they will go after a decent reliever at the break. And damnit, why'd they move Riske, he was better than these bums.
 
[quote name='craven_fiend']Yeah, I might have to agree on that. Lets hope JJ doesn't have to fight them in that department. If so, then thats pathetic. Maybe they will go after a decent reliever at the break. And damnit, why'd they move Riske, he was better than these bums.[/QUOTE]

well who knows..hehe maybe lopez can be the guy that tops all three of them and then it may make theo rethink of trading a solid guy like riske...i still dont know what theo sees in all three of them. i hope this is on masterplan for getting these guys. i still cant believe papelbon blew a save...i never thought he would blow one yet.
 
while i wasn't happy that they traded riske (the whitesox were asking for seanez), I can sort of understand it. According to gammons, he spoke with clev indian management why riske wasn't used in sept. The response was that they never had big enough leads. He was mainly used as a mop up guy after the all star break. He had/has lost several mph on his pitches and wasn't as effective as he was a couple of years ago. Allegedly, the red sox didn't trade seanez for 2 reasons, one he is a streaky pitcher throughout his career. The 2nd is because his stuff is hard, and as long as he has good velocity on his pitches, then hopefully they can get the movement back. That being said, IMO seanez is worse then tavarez. Seanez just can't get it done, espically after he gets 2 outs. I would rather ride the youth movement then have them trade for a bullpen guy. Let hanson, delcarmen and vanburen get in the games, and let them learn how to pitch at the mlb level. Hanson and delcarmen are unhittable in double/triple a. They just need a little help getting over the mlb bump.
 
I really hope the Tigers don't give up any young players before the trade-deadline. Of course, NO ONE expects them to keep up this pace....but I have faith :)
 
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