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The Yankees and Mets have almost identical records yet everyone in NYC thinks the Mets are "amazin" and that the Yankees are having an off year and are depleted by injuries, A-Rod not playing well and that Joe Torre is performing a miracle keeping them in the race... just something odd I've noticed...
 
[quote name='javeryh']The Yankees and Mets have almost identical records yet everyone in NYC thinks the Mets are "amazin" and that the Yankees are having an off year and are depleted by injuries, A-Rod not playing well and that Joe Torre is performing a miracle keeping them in the race... just something odd I've noticed...[/QUOTE]

It's all perception. 15 games up vs 1 game down.

It sucks to see the Mets have recovered from the worst GM in history, but I guess they were due.
 
[quote name='CocheseUGA']It's all perception. 15 games up vs 1 game down.

It sucks to see the Mets have recovered from the worst GM in history, but I guess they were due.[/quote]

I know - it's just odd to me. The Yankees are the city's favorite team so they get more criticism plus they have been unbelievably successful the last 10 years. Since the Mets have completely sucked for about 5 years this season is a nice surprise.

I am having a hard time watching Baseball Tonight with Steve Philips. I can't believe a single thing that comes out of his mouth - ever. he has no idea what he is doing and even his analysis of the trades make no sense. We are still paying for the Mo Vaughn trade. Well, not really but it seems like it...
 
Mets trade away all white players

NEW YORK—Following stormy 2004-2005 seasons that some observers called nothing short of a disaster, the New York Mets have addressed the tidal wave of criticism by earmarking more than $53 million to field an all-minority team. "We're doing all we can to lock up our division early," Mets general manager Omar Minaya said of his team, which traded away their remaining outfielder who was white for two pitchers who last names ended in 'z'. "We ask that everyone say a prayer for us as we attempt to rid our team of laziness." The Mets also tried to trade away David Wright to Seattle, but were stymied when they realized Mariners 3B Edgar Martinez retired almost two years ago. GM Minaya was successful, however, in trading Tom Glavine to the Red Sox for Nelson de la Rossa (pictured, right), ten cases of Modelo Especial and a case of cohibas. Martinez reportedly was so pleased he allowed C Paul Lo Duca to remain with the team as his personal assistant.

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[quote name='CocheseUGA']Mets trade away all white players

NEW YORK—Following stormy 2004-2005 seasons that some observers called nothing short of a disaster, the New York Mets have addressed the tidal wave of criticism by earmarking more than $53 million to field an all-minority team. "We're doing all we can to lock up our division early," Mets general manager Omar Minaya said of his team, which traded away their remaining outfielder who was white for two pitchers who last names ended in 'z'. "We ask that everyone say a prayer for us as we attempt to rid our team of laziness." The Mets also tried to trade away David Wright to Seattle, but were stymied when they realized Mariners 3B Edgar Martinez retired almost two years ago. GM Minaya was successful, however, in trading Tom Glavine to the Red Sox for Nelson de la Rossa (pictured, right), ten cases of Modelo Especial and a case of cohibas. Martinez reportedly was so pleased he allowed C Paul Lo Duca to remain with the team as his personal assistant.

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haha thats funny. where did you get this from?

as for phillips on BB tonight...he should get fired for pure stupidity...dont forget mo vaughn was the icing of the cake...the building to that was a disaster and it all started with the firing of bobby V IMO
 
[quote name='integralsmatic']haha thats funny. where did you get this from?

as for phillips on BB tonight...he should get fired for pure stupidity...dont forget mo vaughn was the icing of the cake...the building to that was a disaster and it all started with the firing of bobby V IMO[/QUOTE]

That came from the wonderful depths of my imagination, my friend. :D
 
[quote name='ryanbph']:cry: jason varitek is having knee surgery out at least a month, if not longer. The sox are now finished :cry:[/QUOTE]

yeah i heard the news about tek. What a shame...he is one of the only catchers in the league to consistently call good games for his pitchers...heres hope to mirabelli..
 
The Tigers seem to just keep plugging players in and working. The Rookie Clevlen hit 2 HR's last night, nice. Casey hits a HR also. It appears things are looking good for the Tigers....hopefully the pitching holds up. The Gambler is looking bad lately....maybe even Bullpen worthy with Maroth coming back.
 
well hopefully ken huckabee can play, he has been at AAA all season. Mirabelli is great catcher for wakefield, but he has allowed a fair amount of pass balls when wake is not pitching to him, ie last night. While I love varitek, I was not happy with the money/years we threw at him a couple years back. He was getting to the age where catchers just break down and can't hit anymore, and his .240 ba is proof of that this year.
 
Have no fear Sox fans.....well a little bit until Tek gets back. It looks like the Sox are going after Javy Lopez to be a stop gap until Tek comes back.

It still saddens me that they didn't go after someone at the deadline. Hopefully waiver pickups make an impact.
 
tek was hurt after the deadline. They really didn't need anything at the deadline otherwise, considering the cost. Sorry I don't feel roy oswalt, or andrew jones is worth hansen, crisp and lester. And varitek at the earliest won't be back untill end of aug. But even he doesn't think that is reasonable. Most like mid to late sept. Cocco was on the 15 day dl, and we were told 10 days, 2 months later he came back. It sounds like we are giving up adam stern for javy lopez. It appears there is no room in the future for stern in boston with cocco, willie mo pena on the mlb team, and murphy and elsberry being the 2 top of prospects. I don't like giving up a guy with a lot speed, and who played great in the wbc for a 2 month rental. Yes, lopez hits mussina and all the yanks relief pitching very well (minus rivera). I would just think that stern would have more value then lopez right now.
 
I believe it is records this year. And NY is ahead of boston. I also think that you have to block the player before he clears waivers. The player will be on waivers for 3 working days, and then clears it. The tradedeadline is an unrestricted trading. The waiver deadline, which is in a couple of weeks, requires that a player clears waivers before a deal can be worked out. It happens every year, how can you not know about the waiver wire deadline. They were talking about it around the trade deadline about players that could be moved.
 
[quote name='doubledown']Why do we have a TRADE deadline if trades can still be made? Javy Lopez to Boston...how does that work?[/QUOTE]

the deadline is just free trading...there is no compensation and players dont have to be on waivers to to be traded...i know that a person has to be put on waivers and it has to clear waivers. with javyh lopez going to boston...the orioles had to put him on waivers...then they could deal him..anyway i think the team who puts them on waivers is responsible or has to willing to pay a chunk of the salary for the deal to go through..i dont know if anyone has posted this yet but here is the link to baseball america

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/majors/news/262118.html

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here is what what BBamerica said what waivers are

How do waivers work?

A waiver is defined as a permission granted for certain assignments or for the unconditional release of a major league player.

A team asking waivers must notify the commissioner's office by 2 p.m. ET Monday through Friday. The commissioner's office will then notify all of the other teams of the waiver request. The other teams then have three business days to file a claim. If no team claims the player, the waiver is granted and the player may be assigned as the team desired. If a claim is filed, the team may withdraw the waiver request and keep the player if they so choose. Otherwise the player shall be assigned to the claiming team. If more than one team files a claim, the priority goes to the team with the worst record within the same league as the team filing the waiver request.

Waivers are required for assignment to the minor leagues for any player who does not have options remaining.
 
if someone is claimed when they are on the waivers, there is 2 options. I will use andrew jones as an example....first, the brave can take him off a waivers and keep him. They may due this, as they might have put andrew on the waiver wire to see who was interested in him, and resume talks in the off-season. The other option is, the brave let him go via a trade. Now there are 2 types of waivers, unconditional/irrevocable, meaning if someone puts a claim in, the original club gets nothing in return. Boston did this with manny a couple years back, they would let him walk without any return on him. It was assumed they did this to free up salary, and to prove a point to manny. Andrew jones was claimed and awarded to a team. The braves have until 8/5 to make a decision to trade him. They are in a bit of a bind, as jones comes a 10/5 guy on the 15th and will have the ability to veto a trade. He has one year left at 13.5 mill, which is cheap for a of with his numbers. The braves will be sold in the near future, and current ownership may want to dump high priced salaries. Or if they don't compete next year they might want to move him for prospects at the deadline. Who ever claimed/awarded jones, is in the drivers seat, as if the braves don't work out a deal, he will not be able to be moved the rest of this season, and with the 10/5 status, jones may veto any trades in the off-season or next year.
 
Hopefully i'm getting an early Christmas present and the team that got Jones off waivers are the Giants.
 
I dont think the giants would get andruw i mean he just doesnt fit in there, and plus the giants seem like there settled in. Honestly look for a below .500 team to pick him up. I didnt read what you guys where talking about with waivers but from what i remember waivers are free agency or something like that. Well thats besides the point, The team most likely to have picked up andruw was the phillies, i mean adnruw would do more then replace abreu on that team another team that could have picked him up were the astros, i mean they were trying to get tejada at the deadline but they only had their ace to deal waith and tejada isnt worth roy oswalt. If the astros would give more runs per game oswalt would have about 14-15 wins by now. Just to wrap this up i dont even know why the braves released A jones c'mon now he was in the race to be a mvp last yr and he was a all star for like the last 4 yrs....very stupid move on the braves part
 
[quote name='ryanbph']if someone is claimed when they are on the waivers, there is 2 options. I will use andrew jones as an example....first, the brave can take him off a waivers and keep him. They may due this, as they might have put andrew on the waiver wire to see who was interested in him, and resume talks in the off-season. The other option is, the brave let him go via a trade. Now there are 2 types of waivers, unconditional/irrevocable, meaning if someone puts a claim in, the original club gets nothing in return. Boston did this with manny a couple years back, they would let him walk without any return on him. It was assumed they did this to free up salary, and to prove a point to manny. Andrew jones was claimed and awarded to a team. The braves have until 8/5 to make a decision to trade him. They are in a bit of a bind, as jones comes a 10/5 guy on the 15th and will have the ability to veto a trade. He has one year left at 13.5 mill, which is cheap for a of with his numbers. The braves will be sold in the near future, and current ownership may want to dump high priced salaries. Or if they don't compete next year they might want to move him for prospects at the deadline. Who ever claimed/awarded jones, is in the drivers seat, as if the braves don't work out a deal, he will not be able to be moved the rest of this season, and with the 10/5 status, jones may veto any trades in the off-season or next year.[/QUOTE]

good stuff...wow as much i would love the mets to get him...i hope he is out of the NL east. another one is dontrelle because those two guys can and did put a hurt on the mets.
 
[quote name='assasin4hire']I dont think the giants would get andruw i mean he just doesnt fit in there, and plus the giants seem like there settled in. Honestly look for a below .500 team to pick him up. I didnt read what you guys where talking about with waivers but from what i remember waivers are free agency or something like that. Well thats besides the point, The team most likely to have picked up andruw was the phillies, i mean adnruw would do more then replace abreu on that team another team that could have picked him up were the astros, i mean they were trying to get tejada at the deadline but they only had their ace to deal waith and tejada isnt worth roy oswalt. If the astros would give more runs per game oswalt would have about 14-15 wins by now. Just to wrap this up i dont even know why the braves released A jones c'mon now he was in the race to be a mvp last yr and he was a all star for like the last 4 yrs....very stupid move on the braves part[/QUOTE]

They are not free agents. If you claim someone on waivers, the original team can choose to let you have the player and the claiming team pays all his salary, or the claiming team has to make a trade for him with his original team. The second option would be what the Braves would do here.

Every team tries to pass most of their players through waivers at this time of year. It is not the same as releasing them.
 
Here's why the Braves would trade Andruw:

10/5 guy coming up. He could veto any trades. Why would the Braves trade him? If they believe he would have diminishing returns as his body ages (he plays hard, and he plays nearly every game every year), then it makes sense to get players in return. With Scott ''Never met a nickle I didn't like" Boras, Andruw isn't going to give the Braves a hometeam discount. He's gonna command a huge salary, and with the Braves in the post-Turner era, money is tighter than a freshman's ass. AOLTW hates spending money, and I doubt Liberty will be any better. If the Braves could have worked out the Red Sox trade (and Theo had a huge brain fart) it would have been great for us: a true leadoff batter (which we need desperately) and two starting pitchers of good/great quality that could be with us for the next ten years at a much lower salary. Remember that Smoltz is only going to pitch a couple more years, Hampton has been out since last year, and I think Hudson has pulled a mini-Ankiel or mini-Wohlers. We don't know WTF is wrong with him. We have a couple other good young pitchers, and we have done good things with our bullpen recently (but whiffed in trading Betemit off our bench). You get that trade done with the Sox, and as much as I would hate to see him go, that's a great trade for us. JS isn't going to pull the trigger on this trade unless we are getting a replacement CF/leadoff hitter and two pitchers. You think the Giants have that? There are very few teams that will meet our price, if any, so I don't think Andruw will be traded now, but in the offseason? Might happen if he agrees.
 
What a fucking game last night, got to AT&T Park and from there...crazy. Tons of people throwing debris and shit on the field after the call on Barry..it's sad to see the only intensity comes from a 42 year old crippled outfielder and the fans.
 
[quote name='CocheseUGA']Here's why the Braves would trade Andruw:

10/5 guy coming up. He could veto any trades. Why would the Braves trade him? If they believe he would have diminishing returns as his body ages (he plays hard, and he plays nearly every game every year), then it makes sense to get players in return. With Scott ''Never met a nickle I didn't like" Boras, Andruw isn't going to give the Braves a hometeam discount. He's gonna command a huge salary, and with the Braves in the post-Turner era, money is tighter than a freshman's ass. AOLTW hates spending money, and I doubt Liberty will be any better. If the Braves could have worked out the Red Sox trade (and Theo had a huge brain fart) it would have been great for us: a true leadoff batter (which we need desperately) and two starting pitchers of good/great quality that could be with us for the next ten years at a much lower salary. Remember that Smoltz is only going to pitch a couple more years, Hampton has been out since last year, and I think Hudson has pulled a mini-Ankiel or mini-Wohlers. We don't know WTF is wrong with him. We have a couple other good young pitchers, and we have done good things with our bullpen recently (but whiffed in trading Betemit off our bench). You get that trade done with the Sox, and as much as I would hate to see him go, that's a great trade for us. JS isn't going to pull the trigger on this trade unless we are getting a replacement CF/leadoff hitter and two pitchers. You think the Giants have that? There are very few teams that will meet our price, if any, so I don't think Andruw will be traded now, but in the offseason? Might happen if he agrees.[/quote]
I heard a national journalist talking about hudson. He thinks the problem is that he isn't a big guy, and he had always thrown hard. Small guys can't do that throughout there career, take a look at pedro and the way he is more of a crafty pitcher that throws some occasional heat. It was brought up in regard to oswalt and how he is similiar to hudson in stature and the stuff he throws. If the sox had traded for jones, it was believed he would then be flipped to houston for oswalt. They were talking about how oswalt most likely won't continue to dominate in the near future, unless he changes his way of pitching. The journalist commended the sox for not making the move. Even clemans had to change his way of pitching when he left boston.
 
[quote name='ph33r m3']What a fucking game last night, got to AT&T Park and from there...crazy. Tons of people throwing debris and shit on the field after the call on Barry..it's sad to see the only intensity comes from a 42 year old crippled outfielder and the fans.[/quote]

Thats what happens when you do roids
 
Well, the Tigers are STILL #1. They're down 3-0 right now against Cleveland. Looks like the Gambler is done for a while.
 
[quote name='evanft']Well, the Tigers are STILL #1. They're down 3-0 right now against Cleveland. Looks like the Gambler is done for a while.[/QUOTE]

I only caught the 9th. Sounds like the Gambler held steady after a rough start. Then Pudge capped off the evening with a 2 run walk off. This team is something else.
 
[quote name='assasin4hire']Thats what happens when you do roids[/quote]

That's what happends when you make ignorant posts, now turn off your computer and get back to giving head to Pedro Gomez.

Anyone else think the Red Sox raped the O's in that deal? They got Javy Lopez and cash...for APTBNL.
 
If the Indians were even close to contention they'd have won this game, along with the two they lost to Boston. Instead, we've gotta let Carmona blow every save opportunity he gets while destroying any confidence he may have built up. He needs to go to a middle relief/set-up role so he can possibly salvage some confidence, and his career if this keeps up.
 
[quote name='ph33r m3']That's what happends when you make ignorant posts, now turn off your computer and get back to giving head to Pedro Gomez.

Anyone else think the Red Sox raped the O's in that deal? They got Javy Lopez and cash...for APTBNL.[/quote]


Lol what did i do wrong? People dont like Barry because he did roids everyone knows that and you gotta be retarded not to see the differnce in his body size from his first few years and the last few years when he was hitting home runs out the @ss. In his first few years he stole bases like no tomorrow but now hes a power hitter. Honestly its like taking scott posednik and turning him into david ortiz in like 3 years. Now i dont really care that he did roids because it wasnt aganist the rules and i would still vote him into the HOF.
 
[quote name='ph33r m3']That's what happends when you make ignorant posts, now turn off your computer and get back to giving head to Pedro Gomez.

Anyone else think the Red Sox raped the O's in that deal? They got Javy Lopez and cash...for APTBNL.[/QUOTE]

yeah and on top of that the orioles are going to pay a big chunk of his salary....so the sox made out like bandits in this rent a player deal.
 
[quote name='assasin4hire']Lol what did i do wrong? People dont like Barry because he did roids everyone knows that and you gotta be retarded not to see the differnce in his body size from his first few years and the last few years when he was hitting home runs out the @ss. In his first few years he stole bases like no tomorrow but now hes a power hitter. Honestly its like taking scott posednik and turning him into david ortiz in like 3 years. Now i dont really care that he did roids because it wasnt aganist the rules and i would still vote him into the HOF.[/QUOTE]

In 20 years do you think you will look the same as you do now? I am not all for defending Barry, but people's physiques change over time.
 
[quote name='assasin4hire']Lol what did i do wrong? People dont like Barry because he did roids everyone knows that and you gotta be retarded not to see the differnce in his body size from his first few years and the last few years when he was hitting home runs out the @ss. In his first few years he stole bases like no tomorrow but now hes a power hitter. Honestly its like taking scott posednik and turning him into david ortiz in like 3 years. Now i dont really care that he did roids because it wasnt aganist the rules and i would still vote him into the HOF.[/QUOTE]

He was always a power hitter. Also, take a look at Willie Mays when he was young and then late in his career. I'm not saying that Bonds didn't use steroids, because I think he did, but you make a lot of bad points.
 
God damn, Tigers really pulled it out of their ass last night.

This month is gonna be very interesting. The Tigers have Minnesota, the White Sox, Boston, Cleveland again, Texas, and the Yankees. It's gonna be awesome.

Oh, and they're 7 wins from having their first .500 season since 1993. They've already won more games than in all but 2 seasons since 1993.
 
[quote name='evanft']God damn, Tigers really pulled it out of their ass last night.

This month is gonna be very interesting. The Tigers have Minnesota, the White Sox, Boston, Cleveland again, Texas, and the Yankees. It's gonna be awesome.

Oh, and they're 7 wins from having their first .500 season since 1993. They've already won more games than in all but 2 seasons since 1993.[/quote] More amazing, they are still (or were a game or two ago) on pace with the 84 team.
 
[quote name='ph33r m3']Anyone else think the Red Sox raped the O's in that deal? They got Javy Lopez ad cash...for APTBNL.[/quote]

If they PTBNL is indeed Adam Stern, that could be a costly move. Though they do have their OF shored up for atleast the next few years, he could've been a vital bench player as well as a spot starter to give everyday players a day off during long streaks of games.

I guess getting Javy is better than having Mirabelli lose his confidence being everyday instead of just catching for Wakefield only.

And speaking of the Sox, hopefully they can stay within a game of the Yankees for the month and then take the season series from them, as that will probably what it comes down to again this year.
 
[quote name='CaseyRyback']In 20 years do you think you will look the same as you do now? I am not all for defending Barry, but people's physiques change over time.[/QUOTE]

One doesn't double in size due to age.

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If the man can workout and get like that, that's awesome. You have to look at the odds a 42 year old with bad knees can look that beefy.
 
[quote name='evanft']Tigers won again. 6 from .500.[/QUOTE]

Yup. Listened to it while doing some errands today. Go Tigers!
 
well supposedly keith foulke is coming back this evening..hopefully he will add some depth to a weak redsox bullpen..I would like to see him be successful, as he was one of the best closers in the game from 2001 (maybe 2000) untill 2004. His numbers were similiar or better then rivera during that time period. I would like to see him back as the closer next season and move paplebon back to the starting rotation. Having Schilling, paplebon, beckett, lester, and wakefield I will be happy with that rotation.
 
Yeah, the last week for the Tigers has been GREAT. Two comeback wins, Ledezma comes in and pitches a stellar 5 2/3 to help with a 1-0 shutout, then they blow-out Minnesota again. 10 game lead in the Central....nice

Also, It's interesting that the are going to call-up Andrew Miller (the phenom pitcher that finally signed with them). Part of the contract said they HAD to call him up in September. We'll see what kind of arm he has at the Big-League level.
 
[quote name='doubledown']Yeah, the last week for the Tigers has been GREAT. Two comeback wins, Ledezma comes in and pitches a stellar 5 2/3 to help with a 1-0 shutout, then they blow-out Minnesota again. 10 game lead in the Central....nice

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Well, Liriano is hurt now, so maybe the dominance of the Twins will turn around.....wel, maybe not.
 
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