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Well, Verlander is leading the A.L. in ERA and has 14 wins....1 behind the league leader. Pepelbon does have a say in the matter. Lirano would too, before the injury. So, it appears a PITCHER will be R.O.Y ;)
 
[quote name='doubledown']Well, Verlander is leading the A.L. in ERA and has 14 wins....1 behind the league leader. Pepelbon does have a say in the matter. Lirano would too, before the injury. So, it appears a PITCHER will be R.O.Y ;)[/quote]

Most likely, as there really isn't a rookie bat thats screams ROY, in the AL atleast. And I am pretty sure the NL ROY is pretty much locked up in Ryan Zimmerman 3B for the Nationals, unless someone has a hell of a month and a half.
 
[quote name='doubledown']They said he might be tipping his pitches...who knows. [/QUOTE]

That's what they were saying during the CWS game where he allowed the most hits of his career. It did seem REALLY weird that he was allowing the number of hits that he was.
 
[quote name='evanft']That's what they were saying during the CWS game where he allowed the most hits of his career. It did seem REALLY weird that he was allowing the number of hits that he was.[/QUOTE]

That, and they were sayin his fastball was not clocking at 99mph....I think it was around 95 or so.
 
[quote name='doubledown']Well, Verlander is leading the A.L. in ERA and has 14 wins....1 behind the league leader. Pepelbon does have a say in the matter. Lirano would too, before the injury. So, it appears a PITCHER will be R.O.Y ;)[/QUOTE]


Verlander is 3rd in ERA. I still think he is in the drivers seat for ROY for now, unless Liriano can come back strong. I don't think Paplebon is likely, due to the fact that he is a closer and seems to be losing his magic at least a little.
 
[quote name='starman9000']Verlander is 3rd in ERA. I still think he is in the drivers seat for ROY for now, unless Liriano can come back strong. I don't think Paplebon is likely, due to the fact that he is a closer and seems to be losing his magic at least a little.[/quote]

Papelbon is a very close 2nd to Verlander in ROY, IMHO. Unless Verlander gets absolutely lit up or Papelbon's ERA break 1.50, its going to be a very tight ROY vote.

Heres hoping the start of the end begins tonight for Verlander and Papelbon gets a chance to be lights out.
 
paplebon is tied for 3rd with most saves, and would be first if he had opportunties over the past 2 months where he has gotten roughly 10 of his 31 saves. He has only blown 4 games, has a .90 era in 52 outings and 60ip...he has roughly a .5 hits per ip (33hits allowed in 60 ip), avg over a k and ip with 62k's. He has allowed 6er, 1/2 of any of the other top 10 closers. Hoffman is the closest with 11 er in 15 less ip. Verlander is far from the drivers seat if it ended today. It comes down to who is dominant in the last 50 games or so.
 
Paplebon definately has great numbers. But I think most voters tend to go for a starter over a closer. It might not be fair, but thats the way it usually works (not always see Gagne). Of course, he benefits from being on a good, popular team that will be playing lots of meaningful games in the next month.

There is still a lot of baseball left before any of this will really be decided.
 
Big win tonight and to top it off, it looks like the Sox will atleast gain a game in the wildcard, as the Royals are handing it to the White Sox.

Hopefully everyone is rested for Fridays game. I just hope I am not busy during the afternoon game.

Also, was the Red Sox/Tigers game supposed to be on ESPN tonight? I chance it to ESPN and its on ESPN News and I am like WTF. Anyone else have that problem?
 
[quote name='craven_fiend']Big win tonight and to top it off, it looks like the Sox will atleast gain a game in the wildcard, as the Royals are handing it to the White Sox.

Hopefully everyone is rested for Fridays game. I just hope I am not busy during the afternoon game.

Also, was the Red Sox/Tigers game supposed to be on ESPN tonight? I chance it to ESPN and its on ESPN News and I am like WTF. Anyone else have that problem?[/QUOTE]

Local blackouts. If you live near Boston, I would have tried NESN. It was on ESPN tonight, alright.
 
[quote name='CocheseUGA']Local blackouts. If you live near Boston, I would have tried NESN. It was on ESPN tonight, alright.[/quote]

I live in Indiana, so no blackout here, just not on for some reason. Hopefully I can watch the replay later, even though I know the outcome.

And don't local blackouts only occur when the game doesn't sell out?
 
[quote name='craven_fiend']I live in Indiana, so no blackout here, just not on for some reason. Hopefully I can watch the replay later, even though I know the outcome.

And don't local blackouts only occur when the game doesn't sell out?[/QUOTE]

Don't know what to tell you about that one.

If I understand the tv agreement, ESPN does not have local rights to any games except for Sunday GOTW. Wednesdays here, if the Braves are scheduled, they are shown on FSN, and we get either another game, or ESPNEWS. Doesn't matter who or where they are playing.
 
I dont remember who said that the Mets should rest some of their people in september but that would be a very bad thing, im mean look at the colts(Even know theyre in a diff sport)they rested because they had everything locked up and they were fav's to win,but every1 was out of rythm so they lost. I say keep all of the mets going but glavine since of his age and maybe Pedro since hes already on the DL. Definatly cant have Beltran sit out because if hes gonna do bad the whole mets Offense will fall apart. I say let beltran play 2 or 3 innings then switch to a rookie or something( I know the Mets have a real good ultily prospect but i forgot his name)
 
[quote name='CocheseUGA']Don't know what to tell you about that one.

If I understand the tv agreement, ESPN does not have local rights to any games except for Sunday GOTW. Wednesdays here, if the Braves are scheduled, they are shown on FSN, and we get either another game, or ESPNEWS. Doesn't matter who or where they are playing.[/quote]

Curse Comcast, atleast locally, for not showing the game. And when I wanted to change it to the game, Crisp hit the game winning 2 run double in the 6th, I believe.

But I will get to see them 3 times over the course of 4 days, so all is not lost.

Though next year, I am seriously thinking about getting MLB Season pass or whatever it is.
 
[quote name='assasin4hire']I dont remember who said that the Mets should rest some of their people in september but that would be a very bad thing, im mean look at the colts(Even know theyre in a diff sport)they rested because they had everything locked up and they were fav's to win,but every1 was out of rythm so they lost. I say keep all of the mets going but glavine since of his age and maybe Pedro since hes already on the DL. Definatly cant have Beltran sit out because if hes gonna do bad the whole mets Offense will fall apart. I say let beltran play 2 or 3 innings then switch to a rookie or something( I know the Mets have a real good ultily prospect but i forgot his name)[/QUOTE]


Thanks...I hope I'm not out of Advil.
 
Yeah, I was wondering about the ESPN also. I'm in MI, so I had to watch it on FSN. I wanted to see it in HD though...oh well. As for Verlander....what a mess that was. 7 WALKS.....SEVEN! That is pretty bad....and I love Verlander. At least he was hitting 100mph on the gun.

Oh well.....at least we took 2 games (and lost Polanco). Infante looked good though.
 
Leyland is a dumbass. Why the fuck did he leave Verlander in after he walked a guy in the 6th inning? I mean, who fucking does that? Shit, Verlander probably shouldn't have been pitching in that inning at all.
 
[quote name='craven_fiend']Lets be honest, the Mets have plenty of breathing room between them and the Phillies. All the have to do is play .500 ball the rest of the way, and they are in the post season, and most likely the top seed in the NL.

I think once September gets here, they should rest Pedro, Glavine, Wright, and atleast Beltran every few days.[/QUOTE]

yeah i know the mets locked up the NL East but come playoff time i dont want them to lose any momentum. but hey maybe a little rest is what the doctor ordered.

About the Tigers....They have a great shot at winning the whole show. They have a young team and plethoria of pitchers which can last them till the big show. the thing that makes me skeptical about any team and even right now about the mets is what happend to the braves. you can have a giant lead in the division..tail off at the end...and get trounced in the playoffs. they only won one WS out of 11 years if i am correct...which makes me believe that the tigers are in a great position because they have a small lead and will play hard throughout the year..and as you said doubledown leyland brought the WS for the marlins. but as good as they look and with a great manager i dont know if they are equipped for playoff ball because even giants can go down hard...and they are plenty of examples there.....
 
[quote name='evanft']Leyland is a dumbass. Why the fuck did he leave Verlander in after he walked a guy in the 6th inning? I mean, who fucking does that? Shit, Verlander probably shouldn't have been pitching in that inning at all.[/QUOTE]


Are you giving up on Leyland already? He is the best thing that has happened to the Tigers in a long time.
 
[quote name='starman9000']Are you giving up on Leyland already? He is the best thing that has happened to the Tigers in a long time.[/quote]

That and he is almost a lock for AL Manager of the Year. And the NL Manager of the Year is pretty close to a lock too, IMHO, were Narron in Cincy. Sure the owner gets the credit for finally, no dis on him since it is his 1st year, having balls to make moves to get the pieces the Reds needed.

Both managers took teams that weren't "supposed" to compete this year, and have the making runs towards the playoffs.
 
[quote name='integralsmatic']
About the Tigers....They have a great shot at winning the whole show. They have a young team and plethoria of pitchers which can last them till the big show. the thing that makes me skeptical about any team and even right now about the mets is what happend to the braves. you can have a giant lead in the division..tail off at the end...and get trounced in the playoffs. they only won one WS out of 11 years if i am correct...which makes me believe that the tigers are in a great position because they have a small lead and will play hard throughout the year..and as you said doubledown leyland brought the WS for the marlins. but as good as they look and with a great manager i dont know if they are equipped for playoff ball because even giants can go down hard...and they are plenty of examples there.....[/quote]

I don't 100% agree about the tigers. They do have a great young team. There pitching has been great, but how many of them have pitched as much as they will this year. You saw it with lirano, with his arm tiring out. The other big problem for them in the playoffs is that they K a lot. Good pitching will eat them up in the post season. But they may go on a run at the very end of the season like the chisox did last year, who knows.


It sounds like the red sox picked up eric hinske from toronto for a low/mid level prospect. We haven't really had any backup at the corner inf spots, and he has played in the both corner of positions and both corner inf positions this year. I guess he is nice to have on the bench.
 
At this point Hinske is better than nothing, but bullpen help is what is needed. But then again, everyone is after bullpen help. especially since the Reds pretty much took it all off the market.
 
[quote name='starman9000']Are you giving up on Leyland already? He is the best thing that has happened to the Tigers in a long time.[/QUOTE]

Of course not, but he still made a huge mistake leaving in Verlander.
 
we don't need bullpen help, we need the starting pitching to go more then 5 or 6ip...delcarmen, timlin, and hanson are fine as setup guys...tavarez and seanez are decent couple of inn throw aways, the problem is that beckett, johnson, and lester don't usually last past the 5th inn, and wells is just coming back from injury so he hasn't really gone that often into the 7th. With our starters going so short, it is killing our bullpen. If beckett can learn how to pitch instead of trying to blow everyone away, it would help greatly. He has very similiar numbers and attitude that a young randy johnson had. Hopefully he will figure out how to pitch and soon.
 
[quote name='ryanbph']we don't need bullpen help, we need the starting pitching to go more then 5 or 6ip...delcarmen, timlin, and hanson are fine as setup guys...tavarez and seanez are decent couple of inn throw aways, the problem is that beckett, johnson, and lester don't usually last past the 5th inn, and wells is just coming back from injury so he hasn't really gone that often into the 7th. With our starters going so short, it is killing our bullpen. If beckett can learn how to pitch instead of trying to blow everyone away, it would help greatly. He has very similiar numbers and attitude that a young randy johnson had. Hopefully he will figure out how to pitch and soon.[/QUOTE]

Agreed. The Sox need a consistent #2 starter badly. I'm still hoping that Beckett somehow figures it out; he definitely has the talent. I think the bullpen is okay; Papelbon shortens games, we just need the starters to go deeper. Getting Wakefield back will help though if the Sox lose the upcoming series with the Yankees, it'll probably be too late.
 
As long as the Sox take 3 of 5 this weekend, they stay within a 1/2 game. I'd like to see them sweep it, but thats highly unlikely. But as long as the win the series, their in good shape.

And either way, this weekend they should gain some ground in the wild card, as Chicago and Minnesota have a 3 game set.

Edit: Not quite as big as Hinske, but Carlos Pena is planning to sign with the Red Sox tonigh before Pawtucket's game. And he is most likely going to be on the 40 man roster come Septmember 1st.
 
while i still don't think the sox will make the playoffs if varitek isn't back soon (the young pitchers are really struggling with mirabelli/lopez tandom) I do think the red sox will win the 5 game series upcoming with the yanks. The red sox have an offday going into it, the yanks haven't had one off since the 7th. Torre isn't know for handeling the bullpen well to begin with, and they got killed today. Wright only lasted 3ip. There is 2 games tmro, which under normal circumstances will kill your bullpen, but then they have 3 more in the next 3 days. To kick both team in the nuttz even more, (the yanks more due to the amount of games played w/o day off) they both have a shitty I hope I get to 5ip starter going with johnson for the redsox and ponson for the yanks. Neither team really has an innings eater outside of mussina and schilling. Both randy johnson and beckett can be dominat but neither have shown it consitently all season. Wang is impressive, but he is getting up there in ip, and looks to be loosing some gas as his last 2 starts did not make it out of the 5th. IMO, the sox will win the series, maybe even 4 - 1 but most likely 3 - 2. The yanks could steal the series if there starters go deep, but if they don't I think the bullpen will be more shaky this weekend with the yanks then with the sox.
 
[quote name='ryanbph']while i still don't think the sox will make the playoffs if varitek isn't back soon (the young pitchers are really struggling with mirabelli/lopez tandom) I do think the red sox will win the 5 game series upcoming with the yanks. The red sox have an offday going into it, the yanks haven't had one off since the 7th. Torre isn't know for handeling the bullpen well to begin with, and they got killed today. Wright only lasted 3ip. There is 2 games tmro, which under normal circumstances will kill your bullpen, but then they have 3 more in the next 3 days. To kick both team in the nuttz even more, (the yanks more due to the amount of games played w/o day off) they both have a shitty I hope I get to 5ip starter going with johnson for the redsox and ponson for the yanks. Neither team really has an innings eater outside of mussina and schilling. Both randy johnson and beckett can be dominat but neither have shown it consitently all season. Wang is impressive, but he is getting up there in ip, and looks to be loosing some gas as his last 2 starts did not make it out of the 5th. IMO, the sox will win the series, maybe even 4 - 1 but most likely 3 - 2. The yanks could steal the series if there starters go deep, but if they don't I think the bullpen will be more shaky this weekend with the yanks then with the sox.[/quote]

A 4-1 series in favor of the Sox would be nice, as they'd come out with a 1/2 game lead.

But either way, they Sox don't have an off day after this series for atleast a few weeks, IRC. So its a tough stretch coming up.
 
that is correct, they had west for series with seattle, ana, and oakland. Then come home vs toronto and the whitesox. They have 21 games in 20 days starting on friday. Allegedly foulke will be activated for the night game tmro.
 
[quote name='ryanbph']that is correct, they had west for series with seattle, ana, and oakland. Then come home vs toronto and the whitesox. They have 21 games in 20 days starting on friday. Allegedly foulke will be activated for the night game tmro.[/quote]

Yeah, I saw that on the Herald's website. I believe that is the only reason that Johnson, and not Lester, is opening the series. That way he can be optioned down after his start, so Foulke will be available in relief for the nightcap.

And I completely forgot about Foulke, with that said, the bullpen is alright. Assuming that Foulke has his stuff and can alternate with Timlin in the 8th.
 
As much as I am enjoying the Twins run, them hitting into double plays is really getting old. They have to be leading the league in that great category.
 
so do any baseball players know how to throw a punch? Looks like that pitcher was practicing how to throw a bridal bouquet instead of punching.
 
[quote name='DT778']so do any baseball players know how to throw a punch? Looks like that pitcher was practicing how to throw a bridal bouquet instead of punching.[/QUOTE]


LMAO. Nolan Ryan?

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Nolan Ryan
"Don't Mess with Texas"
Robin Ventura - Only Man to Get 5 Hits Off Nolan in One Game (In The Face)
Baseball's All-Time Strikeout Leader - HOF 1999
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Good win for the Tigs - more importantly, Polanco is only expected to be out 3-4 weeks with a third degree shoulder separation. Should be able to get the rust shaken off in time for the playoffs.

The scary thing being that the playoffs are ALMOST a lock for the friggin Detroit Tigers. If they play miserable .500 ball the rest of the season, they'll hit 100 wins. And if they miss the playoffs with 100 wins, someone else must have gone off.
 
ESPN, or Comcast, keep dropping the ball here with baseball games. No game on tv again tonight. Not that I care about the Tigers, but I hope that doesn't mean no afternoon game tomorrow.

That would really put a damper on my weekend.
 
[quote name='CocheseUGA']LMAO. Nolan Ryan?

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I guess it goes hand in hand, the hardest throwing pitcher in baseball is also the one with the hardest fists, i mean he even has ESPN's #1 brawl
 
[quote name='craven_fiend']ESPN, or Comcast, keep dropping the ball here with baseball games. No game on tv again tonight. Not that I care about the Tigers, but I hope that doesn't mean no afternoon game tomorrow.

That would really put a damper on my weekend.[/QUOTE]

Comcast has FSN (Fox Sports Net). That is the only place I can watch the Tigers in MI. Local blackout for Tigers in HD on ESPN...which sucks. I think it's just MLB rules....I'd assume.

FSN is actually in HD on DirectTV also...but I don't have that.

Good win though. Zumaya came in and walked the run in, but then just SHUT THEM DOWN. Nice. I missed most of the game, only saw the last 2-3 innings.
 
[quote name='doubledown']Comcast has FSN (Fox Sports Net). That is the only place I can watch the Tigers in MI. Local blackout for Tigers in HD on ESPN...which sucks. I think it's just MLB rules....I'd assume.

FSN is actually in HD on DirectTV also...but I don't have that.

Good win though. Zumaya came in and walked the run in, but then just SHUT THEM DOWN. Nice. I missed most of the game, only saw the last 2-3 innings.[/quote]
It sucks, as there is really no reason for any games to be blacked out here. Especially seeing how the closest team is like 3 hours away.

I am going to be thoroughly pissed if the afternoon Red Sox/Yankees game is not on here. I haven't the slightest clue what I would do if it wasn't, because I don't know if that would be a Comcast issue or not.

Edit: And to top it off, we get a reject of a FSN. Its terrible, give us FSN Chicago or Ohio, instead a redhead step child FSN that rarely has any team I want to watch on it.
 
ouch, redsox got beat bad.....the good news of the 2 games they have with the yanks today, this is the one I expected to get killed in, as Jason (i never last more then 5ip, and I have a career almost 60 games BELOW .500)Johnson vs wang. On the positive side, heinske went 3 - 4 in his red sox debut with 3 doubles. Also the sox really didn't use anyone important out of the pen. Johnson and snyder ate up most of the inn. Delcarmen pitched 1.1ip, and then rudy " I only play in blowouts" seanez pitched 1.1ip. The yanks for some reason used proctor for 1.2 ip. I don't get that, as he is the most consitent pitcher for them out of the pen besides rivera.
 
WTF? First he leaves in Verlander for way too long, then he decides to leave in Bonderman. What the hell is up with Jim Leyland?
 
Yanks swept the sox(5th game is a makeup) and my bet is that the yanks will win the world series.Remember that the chef and matsui are still hurt,but will be back soon.
 
Tigers shit the bed AGAIN this weekend. They totally blew two games. They get a LEAD-OFF TRIPLE in the 9th with a chance to tie, and they could nto get him home....horrible.

Then, Bonderman blows a 6 RUN LEAD! wow, what a mess.
 
[quote name='assasin4hire']Yanks swept the sox(5th game is a makeup) and my bet is that the yanks will win the world series.Remember that the chef and matsui are still hurt,but will be back soon.[/QUOTE]

i dont think so.. they had this kind of loaded lineup for the past 5 years and they couldnt win the series. The Marlins and the Dbacks did them in and after that they could never get past the ALCS. not to mention we see this from them every year.its no surprise that they will make tthe post season. The surprise will be if they can win it. I still think their pitching will kill them as it always had in the playoffs. if the yanks end up drawing either the angels or the ChiSox thani will for sure count them out.

as for the sweep, they beat on a decimated team. Ortiz was the only one that was doing anything for them. i think if their lineup was fully healthy or remotely this series would have been better and the sox would have taken atleast 2 from the yanks.

im not ragging on they yanks because i hate them but this is nothing new..they can carry through the reg season but fizzle in the post and Arod is a choke in th playoffs anyway.
 
And techincally, Friday's day game was a makeup game as well.

The Red Sox need a surge, a la the Dodgers, and they need it soon if they want to make the post season. They need a strong showing on their West coast trip, to even have a shot at the post season. And a win today could go a long, long way towards that.

It sucks though, they will end the month under .500.

And its Shef, not Chef.
 
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