Madden 11 League-OFFICIAL CAG LEAGUE-That's all folks! Mini-tourney still coming tho!

Does anyone have any young CBs or LEs that are under 26 years old with high potentials in the lower 80s/high 70s that they would be willing to trade?
 
[quote name='siradam134']Speaking of trades... next up for review...

Dolphins Trade: 2013 1st Round Draft Pick, Andrew Gardner (LG 78 OVR, B Pot,28 years old ), & Will Allen (CB 73 OVR, B Pot, 35 years old)

Cardinals Trade: Aqib Talib (CB 93 OVR, A Pot, 27 Years old)[/QUOTE]

[quote name='ubernes']Trade up for discussion. It's been revised.

Niners send Frank Gore, Shawntae Spencer and my 3rd rd Draft pick

Lions Send Jahvid Best and Muhammed Alipate

I thought it was a bit unbalanced, but I believe the 3rd rounder evens it out. Thoughts?[/QUOTE]

Alrighty, I'm going to put these trades through now.
 
[quote name='MasterAwesome']Anyone named Earlzo is a wild card in my book...I just don't trust him.[/QUOTE]

EARLZO TAKES IT TO THE ENDZO...ne.

That's what the announcers will be saying next year. All day.
 
[quote name='bvharris']It's tough with Phillips out. I actually start English at RE and then end up playing my MLBs at the OLB spots, since I have three decent but not great ones (Spikes, Butler, Siler). Losing Phillips definitely has forced some creative looks in the front 7.[/QUOTE]

Yeah that's exactly what I did. I took your advice about Butler too. My secondary is a little different than what you suggested, but I think it'll work good for the defenses I like to run.
 
I ain't gonna lie I'm a lil nervous playin u wit bvs team after u just beat mog the other day..... I never looked at carolinas roster but I know bvs offense is stacked. Wit talent
 
Lol I'm damn nervous myself...we've never played each other and I'm being asked to sub in a division game in the toughest division in the league, so this is a really important game. I always try my best in a subbed game but even if I lose I think 'no big deal'...but I'd feel bad about this one.

I usually just go ahead and go with the playbook of the team I'm subbing for even though I've never used it before...but I might stick with the Carolina playbook in this case cause it's such an important game and I'm more comfortable with it.
 
[quote name='MasterAwesome']Yeah that's exactly what I did. I took your advice about Butler too. My secondary is a little different than what you suggested, but I think it'll work good for the defenses I like to run.[/QUOTE]

After you finish up I'll be curious to see what you did with it. I assume maybe putting Stuckey at the other safety spot?

And Master, don't feel bad if you lose. Obviously try your damnedest, but I have no real delusions about competing in the AFC West, I'm way more invested in the Bears season at this point. Sprice is a good player, I wouldn't blame you for losing.

edit: Just made the mistake of peeking on xbox.com. 0-17 in the first quarter man? Now I definitely blame you! ;)
 
Games left:

Saints/Falcons
Cardinals/Rams
Redskins/Eagles
Lions/Cowboys
Vikings/Texans

Let me know if anyone is having trouble setting these up. We will be advancing tomorrow.
 
I'd planned to sub for the Vikes, and I'm still hoping I can tomorrow, but if he wants to play tonight someone else is welcome to sub.
 
[quote name='gbpackers94']Does anyone have any young CBs or LEs that are under 26 years old with high potentials in the lower 80s/high 70s that they would be willing to trade?[/QUOTE]

I'm not sure about their actual ratings, but look at Patrick Robinson and Tracy Porter on my team. Or anybody else. Were all on the block..
Do you wanna play now??
 
[quote name='gbpackers94']You couldn't play tomorrow?[/QUOTE]

Very good chance I'll need to work late tomorrow as well. Why so interested?

By all appearances Master is getting sodomized anyway. I just hope my guys aren't dropping like flies. :D
 
[quote name='bvharris']Very good chance I'll need to work late tomorrow as well. Why so interested?

By all appearances Master is getting sodomized anyway. I just hope my guys aren't dropping like flies. :D[/QUOTE]

I actually don't know. It doesn't affect me at all. You and sprice just seem to be rivals.
 
gbpackers, can you really blame me for not wanting to trade my super bowl hero to my most hated rival!?

I cant trade Tracy Porter, but Patrick Robinson is an 82 ovr. and 92 speed and 25 years old. I can throw in a draft pick if I can get a decent outside linebacker

Also, since I just joined where are we with FA's? Have we touched them yet?
 
Well 41-28 ...that was really embarrassing. I didn't mean I was getting DESTROYED or anything, I meant more that I'm really f'ing up your stats with Philip Rivers lol. I threw 3 picks and he lost a fumble because sliding with the QB in this game is so faulty...I was trying to slide by tapping X and he dove instead and lost the ball. I know you took pride in Philip River's stats this season but I tacked on 3 picks and threw for like 48% or something. I spread the ball fairly well and got 4 TDs as well, but I definitely did way more damage than good. One pick in the red zone was returned for a TD which really hurt. And I couldn't stop the short quick throws, I don't even know how to. I managed one pick with Butler at the end of the 2nd half but other than that the secondary was getting torched all game which is weird cause your secondary is so good.

I really struggle playing for other teams...even though I used Carolina's playbook this time. I guess it's mainly on defense cause I'm used to having really good linebackers (not just Beason) who can hold their own in man to man coverage. With the Chargers, the linebackers were mediocre and were struggling to cover Charles and the fullback so I shouldn't have put them in man coverage so much...it was bad play-calling by me.

And don't worry no injuries.
 
[quote name='neworlbush25']
Also, since I just joined where are we with FA's? Have we touched them yet?[/QUOTE]

They were opened up a couple days ago. I think you were here for that. :D So yeah, you can pick someone up.
 
Regarding the previous free agency system proposed:
1.We could restrict the players released to skill players or offensive lineman over 85 ovr.
2.We can restrict the number of players released if 4 seems to be too extreme, though only the "elite" teams would have to release that many.

I really hate the trading free for all that seems to take place every season (guess I'm a purist too). It seems like we're moving closer and closer to a fantasy draft league (and I really hate those).

And gb...as soon as you said "I don't see any reason to do this" you put two of your best defensive players on the block, lmfao...classic

I realize that most of you are in favor of the frenzy that is trading in this league but wth...it was worth a shot right?
 
[quote name='RamesuThe1']
And gb...as soon as you said "I don't see any reason to do this" you put two of your best defensive players on the block, lmfao...classic[/QUOTE]

Atleast I get a a player I actually want this way, as opposed to having to choose from a pile of fullbacks and old guys.
 
[quote name='gbpackers94']Atleast I get a a player I actually want this way, as opposed to having to choose from a pile of fullbacks and old guys.[/QUOTE]

Lmao...yea, so trade away the only two guys most people in this league can name on Atlanta's defense...
 
[quote name='RamesuThe1']Lmao...yea, so trade away the only two guys most people in this league can name on Atlanta's defense...[/QUOTE]
I'm trying to address spots on my roster where the starters are probably going to retire in the next 3 or 4 seasons. I don't think there is anything wrong with that. Also the reason I didn't like the idea of dropping players in the 80s after each season was because I'm sure a lot of people wouldn't want to drop two of their better players for no return. People were just arguing about trying to keep the rosters so that they somewhat resemble the real life teams, how would this help? I wasn't trying to get into an argument or start anything, I was just stating my opinion, as many of the other members of this league were. Just because I don't agree with your idea doesn't mean I'm trying to start an argument, I can assure you if we end up doing that you won't hear a single complaint out of me.
The reason I'm writing all of this is because it seems like you have a problem with me. I've never had a problem with anyone this league and I don't care to start one, but you just seem pissed at me for some reason.
:wall:
(This is my attempt at "Sheriffing" a situation :))

ALSO I'm really tired and I'm starting to think I read too much into your comments. If that's the case, I apologize to Ramesu and everyone else in the league.
 
I have a few players available if anyone is interested I think I only have like 1 or 2 trades left after players moved in the lion deal. But if anybody needs a back up QB or Running back I have those available for cheap. Westbrook, Alex Smith, Chad Pennington, Maybe Takeo Spikes, and my 1st and 2nd rd draft pick may be available.

Saints what were you looking to aquire for Patrick Robinson ?
 
BV, we'll need you to sub for venom this week. Can you set that up for tomorrow?

Also what's the status on Saints/Falcons? The other 2 games left are scheduled for tomorrow.
 
[quote name='MasterAwesome']OMG!!! That means......if even just for a second, CheapyD knew I existed!! *Faint*[/QUOTE]

they read a question of mine on a cagcast in december, wombat even called me an asshole, I die a happy man
 
ok... i apologize for being tardy to the trade and FA debate party, i've had a very busy day. Spent about 5 hours trying to get a new car after effectively totaling my old one so i'm a lil stressed and i get home after midnight to realize i forgot to pay my credit card bill... now i'm angry. I get on to check CAG just to see what's goings on and i see all this convo about trading and free agency... so here's my opinion since i've been a very active participant in both...

The trading in this league has become somewhat excessive. I understand it must seem hypocritical as I traded away Ed Reed, Terrell Suggs, and a 1st to bring in Steve Smith, Leodis McKelvin, and LaRon Landry, but as anyone who has figured me out in game, i have a very particular style of play. I need certain TYPES of players on my teama to be successful and Suggs didnt fit. Shipped him out to bring in a hitter at SS with the speed to cover deep and i also got a fast receiver in that deal(later traded to SF). Ed Reed was traded for 2 reasons: 1. He was old and 2. I had drafted the up and coming JD Nealy. It made no sense to hang on to Ed after that so i turned him into a shut down corner that i badly needed. Bringing in Steve Smith was a necessity because i need a fast WR at my #1 to open up my offense and it helped to be a die hard Panther fan. Now, i have a defense that shuts down one facet of an offense and it's up to me to handle the other... which is what i wanted. My offense is still suspect right now but Smitty does his job and it allows me to use Boldin and Heap since Smitty demands so much attention. This season, Ray Rice has been a mere shadow of what he was last season but my receiving corps has a lot to do with that. Now, I'm taking a good, long look at Joe Flacco since he's been my biggest issue offensively when throwing deep. If it becomes feasible, i'd trade Flacco to get draft picks and take a QB that can hit the deep man 8 out of 10 times but i doubt that'll happen so dont expect Flacco to be going anywhere.

Having said all that, I understand why some people make the trades they do (Jahvid Best for Frank Gore comes to mind) but while i understand them, i dont agree with them because the logic behind the trade is flawed. As i said before, Gore is OVERRATED and I cant wait for the buyer's remorse after 3 or 4 games of Gore fumbling in crucial moments.... Sorry to pick on u Cru, but i'm still scratching my head over the Eric Berry trade. I cant see why anyone would trade away the second best FS on the game (behind Mr. Nealy of course....j/k Ed Reed) for anything less than a 1st AND 2nd. Moreover, Cru was not hurting for a safety so to go out and pursue Eric Berry was strictly a personal fulfillment move. On the coaching side of things, SF's defense consists of 4 gamechangers... Eric Berry, Taylor Mays, Brian Orakpo(another stupid trade) and Patrick Willis... while u have teams that have nobody on their defense that can crack the top 20 in any of the major defensive stat categories. Things like that are what need to be considered when offering up trades. Mind you, Cru having those guys doesn't make him unbeatable but it makes it that much harder to have parody in the league. An argument can be made that Berry or Orakpo was the TYPE of player he needed but I know for a fact that it wasnt. Willis and Mays were fully capable of doing what Berry and Orakpo do for him... just like Best can produce for the Lions once he figures out how to run with him... but instead of taking the time to learn how to use your team, you'd rather shake things up by sending out your best players to get guys that you hope will fit in with your team. I dont doubt there are good intentions in most of these trades but there are some trades that just dont need to be made. gbpackers, i dont see why you'd trade dunta or abraham unless u plan on throwing in the towel 6 weeks into the season... it's not like you have a plethora of defenders to trade. Some teams have trade bait, others dont... but the common sense shoudl trump everything else. I would hope that NOBODY would trade Mog a shutdown corner... or BV or Zurezo any other top reciever....or BigAT another RB for the smash-and-dash style of run game he has... Can we just be sensible about moving players from here on out? I cant keep up with all these trades anyway.

***Disclaimer*** i'm warding off sleep as i type this so if it doesnt make sense, i'll fix it later :D. I hope my point gets thru as I see that this is probably the longest original post in the entire thread so if all of it isnt read, it wont hurt my feelings. I'm going to bed now...
 
and if Venom doesnt come back before the trade deadline, who do i talk to about the deal that I had for the Vikings??????????? :D (hypocrisy at it's finest although to be fair, i've had this deal waiting since he left)
 
So Deuce, are you advocating that trades still be allowed or that we go by the new system that Ramesu suggested? I couldn't tell from your post, it looks like you wanna keep trades but are telling people to be smarter about it? That's pretty much what I think but there's no real way to enforce "smart" trading while keeping everyone happy. Two people are gonna be wanting to make some trades that other people are gonna think is unbalanced.

If the point of implementing the new system is to keep teams/rosters as close to real life as possible, then it doesn't make sense to me (it seems like it's gonna screw things up even more). But if people are wanting to do this just to avoid having to deal with dumb trades, then I would rather just ban trading altogether and scrap this new system too. I think trading can be really fun but it can be really frustrating from an outsider's point of view too. Sometimes when people trade away a really good player of theirs, I think along the lines of "wow I would give a hell of a lot more for that guy than what he's asking for" but I have to keep my mouth shut because interfering with a trade is kind of an a-hole thing to do. Like I said, I think some people don't realize what some of their players are worth and are trading them to players who DO understand their value (who understandably happen to be among the better Madden players) and are getting kind of ripped off in the process. Then when these trades are proposed on here, some people display their skepticism about the trade so they usually end up throwing in a 3rd round pick or whatever which I don't think helps out much at all. I have no idea who I drafted in the 3rd round in either draft, but I'm sure I have no use for them.

And the new FA system is gonna negatively affect the people who have been abstaining from trading because they DO like to keep their team intact. I don't like the idea of doing something big like this and requiring everyone in the league to follow it. Trading is at least optional so if a person is happy with their team, they can leave it as it is.

Personally, I'm pretty much done with trading. The only situation where I would definitely consider trading is right after a rookie draft if the CPU auto-picked a player for me and for another guy and we wanted to trade our rookies straight up (or something along those lines).
 
I didn't completely agree with that lions trade either duece... very dumb on the lions to send not only best but I believe it was there top draft pick cb wit a 95 speed a potential for a 8 yr old 86 speed cb who will not be able to run with wrs in this league including ur own that u drafted as soon as I entered this league... now on to eric berry cause I made that trade... I was new to the league and wanted to fix my defense much like you said to my liking as u shipped out suggs reed wilson so on... never even got to use berry and shipped him away to help out my team..... picked up goldsen who this yr is tied with berry in picks and has better tackling just doesn't have berrys speed.... justin smith was a temp fill in on dt because my defensive line was terrible and he is an 88 dt with good blockshedding ability. And the draft pick that I got from cru is leading the league in sacks so far on the year with 5 joeckle or however u spell his last name..... so I'm sorry that u don't agree with my trade but really it hasn't affected me at all... I started out 6 and 0 last year I'm 5 and 1 this yr leading my conference.... if I didn't get beat by the dolphins last year due to being penalized for wat happened wit bv we would of been tied for that 6 seed playoff spot... I dunno if u saw but this yr I traded my best cb flowers for dez bryant.... so that's 2 top young players that's I traded and it has def worked out for me in my favor... but either way I don't blame cru for making that trade anyone in this league would def make that trade with the lions... just not smart on the lions side of it.. and cru is good at talking people into crazy deals as he tried getting charles for gore.... or mccluster... but either way I read ur thread and sorry to hear bout ur car but as soon as I saw the berry trade listed as a dumb trade I just wanted to state the facts of it with my opinion
 
I'm not proposing the system as a replacement for trading. I don't mind trading for as long as it is sensible. Some/most of the trades proposed and put through seem "fair" theoretically, but in real life almost none of them would stand a chance. There is no way in hell that the Cheifs would trade Eric Berry right now, although I understand that it has worked out for you sprice (one of many examples). (I've made a few trades myself, Dan Orvlosky and 4th for Quentin Demps, Robert You for a 3rd and some terrible Rookie QB who is no longer on my team, but the third was worth it. Sensible deals that hardly anyone noticed, which is usually the case in the NFL.)

What I do mind is team-stacking and fantasy drafts. The further we go along, the more this league resembles one started via fantasy draft. I wouldn't mind no trading at all...but the issue that uber spoke on was creating roster turnover and this was proposed as a way to potentially handle that, it could serve as a sort of salary cap and we could end up with more realistic turnover on rosters.

A few of you have mentioned that the players released would be terrible or old...well, in the NFL, it is a rare case that real "studs" hit the open market. For every Julius Peppers there are 10 Matt Birks.
 
[quote name='ubernes']BV, we'll need you to sub for venom this week. Can you set that up for tomorrow?
[/QUOTE]

We already have. :D

[quote name='Deuce20602']and if Venom doesnt come back before the trade deadline, who do i talk to about the deal that I had for the Vikings??????????? :D (hypocrisy at it's finest although to be fair, i've had this deal waiting since he left)[/QUOTE]

You can talk to me. Not that I'm authorized to make trades for the Vikings, but I'm just curious what you're so eager to offer them. :D


On the trade thing, while I agree with most that the 49ers-Lions trade was a bit iffy, I think we need to remember that different people value players differently. Deuce mentioned my bevy of receivers (not that I think he was calling me out or anything, it was clear he wasn't), the two trades I've made for a WR (Moss and Austin) shipped out good players at positions those owners valued more - Weddle for Austin and Sproles for Moss (there were picks involved in both too). Similarly in the other league when I got DRC it was because the Cards owner really felt his offensive scheme needed a good TE and valued that over a shutdown corner.

Deuce said himself that we all have different styles, and I think we all need to be able to trade for players to fit that style. The trades I think everyone has an issue with are the ones where guys at the same position are being swapped for no real reason when it clearly benefits one team (I think a lot of people feel the Gore-Best trade falls into this category). I think those are the ones we need to take a closer look at.
 
I'm at work and can't type the long assesment of trading and free agency idea , but I will this evening when I get home this evening.
 
[quote name='theredworm']they read a question of mine on a cagcast in december, wombat even called me an asshole, I die a happy man[/QUOTE]

I remember that haha
 
[quote name='ubernes']BV, we'll need you to sub for venom this week. Can you set that up for tomorrow?

Also what's the status on Saints/Falcons? The other 2 games left are scheduled for tomorrow.[/QUOTE]

my internet messed up. I think I need a sub.
 
I consider myself a progressive purist... I don't oppose trading in general but I think trades should be made out of necessity, not just cuz you want a particular player or cuz a player dropped a int or td pass. stacking teams is just ridiculous
 
[quote name='Deuce20602']I consider myself a progressive purist... I don't oppose trading in general but I think trades should be made out of necessity, not just cuz you want a particular player or cuz a player dropped a int or td pass. stacking teams is just ridiculous[/QUOTE]

Who's defining necessity here? The reason I'm not railing against trades is because I make so many of them. The only person who's made just as many or more is you. Of course, I'm sure as you explained above you found them all necessary for your system, but who's to say that everyone who's made a trade hasn't found it necessary for their system?
 
Bottom line, there are going to be trades. Some people are going to place more or less value on the people they are trading away. There have been plenty of trades where I have scratched my head and said why. But at the end of the day if both sides are happy, that's all that matters. I just hope this league doesn't turn into the battle of stacked teams and everyone else is second best.
 
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