Madden 12 League-OFFICIAL CAG LEAGUE-Week 3 live. Deadline Monday night.

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[quote name='LVPatriots']Any ideas why my Rookie LT 1st round draft pick is listed at the young age of 38 on the Madden site?[/QUOTE]

It's a bug on the site. The age is correct in-game.
 
[quote name='BSETI50']That trade is nice very creative...I just feel like that pick the patriots get should be conditional, if white goes down more than 2 points make it a 2nd rounder, if he doesn't I think it should be a third. Also just looking at it it seems like the falcons actually getting slighted now...there the only ones not getting 2 core players in return not that that is a big deal, but maybe they should just hold on to that 6th rounder...just my opinion on the trade but even if it goes thru as is I have no real problem with it[/QUOTE]

Technically I am not getting 2 core players, but Porter is only a point away so I don't really have a problem with it. If the trade passes then this is how many trades each team will have left:
Falcons 5/1
Patriots 5/2
Cardinals 4/3
 
I'll have to think about this one. The Cardinals already air it out with Fitz on a consistent basis. I think it would even deadlier with Roddy White lined up on the opposite side of the field.

The Falcons despite getting a shutdown corner become weaker on offense.
 
Or instead of changin the pick the pats get u could raise the pick the cardinals get from the pats or give one to the falcons...I donno its real close
 
[quote name='Doomtime']I'll have to think about this one. The Cardinals already air it out with Fitz on a consistent basis. I think it would even deadlier with Roddy White lined up on the opposite side of the field.

The Falcons despite getting a shutdown corner become weaker on offense.[/QUOTE]

Roddy White is now coming to Foxborough. ;)
 
[quote name='Doomtime']I'll have to think about this one. The Cardinals already air it out with Fitz on a consistent basis. I think it would even deadlier with Roddy White lined up on the opposite side of the field.

The Falcons despite getting a shutdown corner become weaker on offense.[/QUOTE]

im gonna take my measly lions with my sub par corners and do my best to whip some ass no matter wat recievers take the field.... drafted all players that may seal games with pics... thats y u got the hb bv lol it was hard to pass up but harrison is a monster
 
[quote name='Doomtime']I'll have to think about this one. The Cardinals already air it out with Fitz on a consistent basis. I think it would even deadlier with Roddy White lined up on the opposite side of the field.

The Falcons despite getting a shutdown corner become weaker on offense.[/QUOTE]


Doom you are behind the times, look back at the trade, Cards are getting AP. Pats are getting Roddy
 
[quote name='Doomtime']I'll have to think about this one. The Cardinals already air it out with Fitz on a consistent basis. I think it would even deadlier with Roddy White lined up on the opposite side of the field.

The Falcons despite getting a shutdown corner become weaker on offense.[/QUOTE]

Not really. True I lost White but I also gained:
WR- Andre Roberts 24yo, 77ovr, 92speed, 93acc, 86jump, 84catch, and Bpot
WR- Jawuan Sales 22yo, 70ovr, 98speed, 96acc, 75jump, 76catch, 97cit, and Bpot

Not to mention I already have Julio Jones. I'm expecting to have 3 beastly WR's next year.
 
[quote name='sprice8688']thats y u got the hb bv lol it was hard to pass up but harrison is a monster[/QUOTE]

I was very surprised none of the 28 teams picking before me took him. If you look at his stats, he's already a very decent AP clone, and he'll only get better.
 
[quote name='Doomtime']I'll have to think about this one. The Cardinals already air it out with Fitz on a consistent basis. I think it would even deadlier with Roddy White lined up on the opposite side of the field.

The Falcons despite getting a shutdown corner become weaker on offense.[/QUOTE]

Despite this being outdated. Roddy would probably have been his #1, he lines Fitzgerald up in the slot 90% of the time... Frustrating as hell
 
[quote name='LVPatriots']
I have no idea what these numbers mean?[/QUOTE]

Trade cap. The first number is total number of trades left, the second is total core players who can still be traded.

[quote name='BSETI50']it seems off for the pats to get roddy white and a second rounder for adrian[/QUOTE]

It's because of the 4 year age difference and the fact that White has already started to decline a bit (albeit one point) while AP hasn't.

You're splitting hairs here. ;)
 
[quote name='staticz']Despite this being outdated. Roddy would probably have been his #1, he lines Fitzgerald up in the slot 90% of the time... Frustrating as hell[/QUOTE]

People should not be doing this. We've brought that up in the thread a ton of times. Unless your #1 receiver is a slot receiver (like me with Welker), that guy should not be in the slot with alarming frequency. The response is usually "the formation puts him there, not me". If that's the case, you're obviously running that formation too often.
 
He is splitting 2nd and 3rd round hairs. Being a day after the draft, I'd say we all know that those are significantly different.

I liked his conditional pick idea, if Roddy goes down more than 2 points you get a 2nd, less you get a 3rd.
 
[quote name='bvharris']I was very surprised none of the 28 teams picking before me took him. If you look at his stats, he's already a very decent AP clone, and he'll only get better.[/QUOTE]

yea i saw.... my main problam last yr was dropped pics.... hopefully passing up alot of the guys i did i didnt look at ovr and just went for high catch ratings plus good def coverage
 
[quote name='bvharris']People should not be doing this. We've brought that up in the thread a ton of times. Unless your #1 receiver is a slot receiver (like me with Welker), that guy should not be in the slot with alarming frequency. The response is usually "the formation puts him there, not me". If that's the case, you're obviously running that formation too often.[/QUOTE]



I run the Pats playbook with Fitz as my #1. You run that playbook, how many different plays have the #1 going across the middle?

Very easy to say when you have Wes Welker
 
[quote name='bvharris']I was very surprised none of the 28 teams picking before me took him. If you look at his stats, he's already a very decent AP clone, and he'll only get better.[/QUOTE]

The only thing that seems to be keeping rookies down is awareness. I picked up my new favorite wideout in the draft... 6'4" 81cth and 99cit. Not to mention is he fast as hell.
 
[quote name='bvharris']People should not be doing this. We've brought that up in the thread a ton of times. Unless your #1 receiver is a slot receiver (like me with Welker), that guy should not be in the slot with alarming frequency. The response is usually "the formation puts him there, not me". If that's the case, you're obviously running that formation too often.[/QUOTE]
burelson has been my number 2 wr from the getgo so just an fyi since ive had mike williams hes been my 3rd which lines him up as a slot wr
 
[quote name='LVPatriots']I run the Pats playbook with Fitz as my #1. You run that playbook, how many different plays have the #1 going across the middle?[/QUOTE]

Just want to clarify that I'm not complaining, he is just unstoppable. I don't know the formation, but Fitz will line up in the slot for sure in some of them.
 
[quote name='LVPatriots']
I liked his conditional pick idea, if Roddy goes down more than 2 points you get a 2nd, less you get a 3rd.[/QUOTE]

Making a pick conditional on player progression is unprecedented and not something I'm comfortable with (in my trade or anyone's). For that matter, I wouldn't be okay with a pick being conditional based on player performance either, since that opens up a whole other can of worms. The only conditional picks we've had have been based on team record, and I don't think that's really applicable here.

We agreed to a 2nd, that's the trade as it stands. I don't think it's worth submarining a deal we're all happy with (and which should pass as is) over.

[quote name='LVPatriots']I run the Pats playbook with Fitz as my #1. You run that playbook, how many different plays have the #1 going across the middle?[/QUOTE]

The 5-wide shotgun set lines up the #1 in the slot and the 3-wide single back set does. There might be others, but those are the only two I can think of off the top of my head.
 
[quote name='gbpackers94']Can I pick of a rb? I only have 2.[/QUOTE]

2 is the minimum for RB, so only if one gets injured. How do you only have 2 now? Didn't you have more last year?
 
[quote name='bvharris']2 is the minimum for RB, so only if one gets injured. How do you only have 2 now? Didn't you have more last year?[/QUOTE]

I dropped one before the draft (Antoine smith 57 ovr). I would pick him back up but he's fucking 57 overall :lol:
 
[quote name='gbpackers94']I dropped one before the draft (Antoine smith 57 ovr). I would pick him back up but he's fucking 57 overall :lol:[/QUOTE]

Sorry. If you want a 3rd HB, he's your only option.
 
[quote name='staticz']Just want to clarify that I'm not complaining, he is just unstoppable. I don't know the formation, but Fitz will line up in the slot for sure in some of them.[/QUOTE]

I put him everywhere, but I do have a few favorite plays where he is in the slot (As any of my opponents have seen).

I don't have a #2 wr threat, or even a decent #2 wr, so I use my #1 whenever and wherever possible.
 
[quote name='LVPatriots']
Very easy to say when you have Wes Welker[/QUOTE]

I'm not sure what this means. Wes Welker plays in the slot, you know that as well as I do. I don't see Fitz doing that too often (I'm sure it's happened). I don't have a problem with him being there sometimes, it just shouldn't be all the time is what I'm saying (or 80%, whatever staticz said).

And staticz, you know how to do defensive assignments right? You can set it so your top corner shadows Fitz wherever he lines up (though that does sometimes screw up the other assignments, depending on the formation).
 
[quote name='LVPatriots']Doom you are behind the times, look back at the trade, Cards are getting AP. Pats are getting Roddy[/QUOTE]

No I saw Roddy was going to the Pats. The winner here is clearly the Pats because it plays to their strengths, so I can appreciate them getting in on this trade.

The Cards have established themselves in this league as a passing team which is why I thought the addition of Roddy would be even deadlier. Plus you have 3 backs on your team that can do some serious damage, especially Sproles.

GB, those two B potential speedster receivers don't equal what one Roddy White is and always will be. I struggled with Bowe, but I'm finally putting some time into my passing game and I see now what he's able to do despite his slowness.
 
[quote name='bvharris']I'm not sure what this means. Wes Welker plays in the slot, you know that as well as I do. I don't see Fitz doing that too often (I'm sure it's happened).

All I was saying is that when your #1 wr is a slot reciever, it makes it a lot easier to say "Keep those big guys out of the slot".

Dictating game play, in terms of play calls and assignments, seems a little over the top (Exluding cheap and B.S. plays we all agree on)

As you said, anyone can throw there top CB on any WR and they will follow him wherever he is.

But since I do put Fitz in the Slot regularly, and because this subject has been dicussed before, is there a specific % of plays I should try and keep it to.
 
[quote name='damailman2272']Hey bv I got a couple running backs if u Interested[/QUOTE]

I wouldn't have traded AP unless I was comfortable going forward with what I have. I've got the rookie Cobie Ross plus Green-Ellis, as well as two second year backs in Vereen and Ridley who can spell those guys. I think I'm in decent shape.

Thanks though! ;)

edit: Nevermind, you didn't even mean me. haha

[quote name='Doomtime']No I saw Roddy was going to the Pats. The winner here is clearly the Pats because it plays to their strengths, so I can appreciate them getting in on this trade.
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I ran more than I passed in year 1. Unless I fall behind like I did last night, I expect that will continue to be the case. I wouldn't say adding Roddy plays to my strengths as much as it compensates for a weakness (a deep threat).
 
[quote name='LVPatriots'][quote name='bvharris']I'm not sure what this means. Wes Welker plays in the slot, you know that as well as I do. I don't see Fitz doing that too often (I'm sure it's happened).

All I was saying is that when your #1 wr is a slot reciever, it makes it a lot easier to say "Keep those big guys out of the slot".

Dictating game play, in terms of play calls and assignments, seems a little over the top (Exluding cheap and B.S. plays we all agree on)

As you said, anyone can throw there top CB on any WR and they will follow him wherever he is.

But since I do put Fitz in the Slot regularly, and because this subject has been dicussed before, is there a specific % of plays I should try and keep it to.[/QUOTE]

i agree with this u shouldnt have to keep recievera in order from best to worse
 
[quote name='LVPatriots']
All I was saying is that when your #1 wr is a slot reciever, it makes it a lot easier to say "Keep those big guys out of the slot".

Dictating game play, in terms of play calls and assignments, seems a little over the top (Exluding cheap and B.S. plays we all agree on)

As you said, anyone can throw there top CB on any WR and they will follow him wherever he is.

But since I do put Fitz in the Slot regularly, and because this subject has been dicussed before, is there a specific % of plays I should try and keep it to.[/QUOTE]

We dictate game play in a lot of areas. All of it is with an eye towards approximating actual NFL play as closely as possible.

Now if I'm getting White, I'll be in the same situation as you in terms of having a true outside guy, and like you said we use the same playbook. I'm still going to run those sets which naturally line the #1 up in the slot, so I wouldn't ask you to not do it.

I guess the ruling would be this: You shouldn't be manually subbing your #1 receiver into the slot (which I don't think you're doing anyway). We've had people do that before, and it's not okay.

You can run formations where the #1 is in the slot, but you shouldn't be running those formations to excess. That's true of every formation. If someone ran their entire offense out of a 4-wide bunch formation, I'd have an issue with that too.

So really all I'm saying is: You can do it, but make sure you're mixing it up and not relying on the same sets play after play.
 
[quote name='sprice8688']
i agree with this u shouldnt have to keep recievera in order from best to worse[/QUOTE]

I'm not entirely sure what you mean here. Your depth chart should generally reflect the talent of the players. I don't care if you put a 91 guy over a 95 guy, or a 73 in over a 75. But if you've got, say, a 95 OVR WR behind a guy in the low 80s on the depth chart, that's not okay.
 
So really all I'm saying is: You can do it, but make sure you're mixing it up and not relying on the same sets play after play.[/QUOTE]


AP should help with that. Maybe we should re-post the trade since it got buried?
 
Sure. This is the trade up for review:
[quote name='bvharris']Announcing the first ever league 3-way trade (I think):

Falcons Get:
CB- Tracey Porter- 89, 26, A
WR- Andre Roberts- ~77, 24, B
DT- David Carter- 71, 24, B

Cardinals Get:
HB Adrian Peterson - 97, 27, A
CB- Kelvin Hayden- 83, 29, B
Falcons 6th round pick
Patriots 6th round pick

Patriots Get:
WR- Roddy White- 96, 31, A
Cardinals 2nd Round Pick[/QUOTE]
 
[quote name='gbpackers94']Not really. True I lost White but I also gained:
WR- Andre Roberts 24yo, 77ovr, 92speed, 93acc, 86jump, 84catch, and Bpot
WR- Jawuan Sales 22yo, 70ovr, 98speed, 96acc, 75jump, 76catch, 97cit, and Bpot

Not to mention I already have Julio Jones. I'm expecting to have 3 beastly WR's next year.[/QUOTE]

Not attacking you but are you not trying to win it all this year?
 
[quote name='bvharris']I'm not entirely sure what you mean here. Your depth chart should generally reflect the talent of the players. I don't care if you put a 91 guy over a 95 guy, or a 73 in over a 75. But if you've got, say, a 95 OVR WR behind a guy in the low 80s on the depth chart, that's not okay.[/QUOTE]


Why is that not ok? I really am curious?

If you run a playbook, and you like the specific routes your #2 runs over what your #1 runs, what is wrong with putting your #1 in the situation where you QB has the easiest time finding him.

With Defensive Assignments made all game long, it is not like your opponent is helpless to the mighty #1 being put in the #2 or #3 wr slot.
 
[quote name='Doomtime']Not attacking you but are you not trying to win it all this year?[/QUOTE]

Of course I am, and I think porter gives me the best chance to win.
 
[quote name='Doomtime']Not attacking you but are you not trying to win it all this year?[/QUOTE]

Let him run his team how he wants. You know for a fact we have other people in this league who start looking to the future from week 1. Plus, you know GB wants to win.

He's giving up the same Roddy White he was giving up in our old deal, plus a lesser CB. He's getting back a much better CB than he was getting, a better WR than he was getting, plus a DT.

Even as someone who thought that trade was fair, GB is getting a much better deal here than he was before. This trade is pretty clearly fair for all three teams involved from where I'm standing.
 
Falcons are getting boned in that deal... but at this point, I dont care. I'm sick of seeing high profile players being moved like they're a dime a dozen. I miss the days when we played with realistic teams and got creative with play calling and schem:nottalking:es to win games
 
[quote name='LVPatriots']Why is that not ok? I really am curious?

If you run a playbook, and you like the specific routes your #2 runs over what your #1 runs, what is wrong with putting your #1 in the situation where you QB has the easiest time finding him.

With Defensive Assignments made all game long, it is not like your opponent is helpless to the mighty #1 being put in the #2 or #3 wr slot.[/QUOTE]

Flip the play. I don't care if you line your #1 wideout up on the left or right play by play, everyone does that. If I put Roddy White in the #3 slot, that means he's going to be in the slot most of the time. That's not the player he is, and at that point you're trying to gain an unfair advantage by lining him up against lesser CBs, and that's not okay.

Let's not make this a bigger deal than it is (like that's ever possible in this thread). Outside WRs should not be making the majority of their living out of the slot in this league. Outside of that, on an individual play-by-play basis, you can line people up wherever you want.
 
[quote name='bvharris']Sure. This is the trade up for review:[/QUOTE]


I agree to the trade. BV is going all in for the superbowl with the talent you have gathered. :D
 
[quote name='Deuce20602']I'm sick of seeing high profile players being moved like they're a dime a dozen. I miss the days when we played with realistic teams and got creative with play calling and schem:nottalking:es to win games[/QUOTE]

Propose a rule change for next year then. If enough people want to make the change, we'll make it. In the meantime, every time you bitch about it in the thread it just comes off as sour grapes.

And by the way, you've made more blockbusters than pretty much everyone in this league who isn't me the last two years, so it's kind of funny that you think you can take this weird moral high ground on the subject.
 
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