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[quote name='MasterAwesome']I think you need a very open mind to play in this league, or just Madden online in general. No matter how "sim" you try and play, SOMEONE is going to have a problem with something you do. I used to pride myself on having a very sim, clean game style...but then BV pointed out that I drop back too far in the pocket on throws. Don't take this a passive-aggressive attack on BV, it's very far from it...I'm just using this as an example of how there is going to be SOMETHING in everyone's game that can legitimately be deemed "cheesy" or "exploitative". I would never in a million years think about the ramifications of something like dropping back too far in the pocket. I've heard people complain about too much man-press, too much zone, too much passing, too much running, too much blitzing, too many players in coverage...there is literally a complaint on everything. You have to have thick skin to play in this league, and just take the good with the bad. This game can never truly be "sim" IMO unless EA perfects the AI, which is probably impossible.[/QUOTE]

Great post. Very true.

EDIT: I think my downfall was trying to play exactly by the rules and then losing to people who did not follow them as I felt I did. As you say though it's opened to interpritation. IE. Fero ran 4 receivers tight and then ran with the QB, I considered that cheap because we weren't supposed to send a bunch of RECEIVERS wide and then run with the QB. Fero obviously felt it was fair because he had Tight Ends lined up instead of WRs and they were not wide. I am not typing this to take a shot at Fero. I though this was actually a good example of how one play could be seen differently by two players. It's a slippery slope.
 
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[quote name='njrockpd']What about my statement identifies a lack of intelligence? Why would I ask for the respect of someone I have no respect for? I was respectful toward you upon leaving the league and you took underhanded shots at me and I am supposed to show you respect? The point of me responding at all was to make the point that you should listen to members of the league a little better if you want to solve your issues instead of siding solely with the people who run the league. I'm not here to offend anyone else by naming names, but maybe if you listen to the discontent of some of the users it wouldn't escalate to the point where uber feels he needs to quit. Maybe some of the higher ups in this league (yourself included) need to look at their own manipulation of the rules before they can fix any of the problems.[/QUOTE]

Pretty much all of it. I'm not going to dignify the rest of your ridiculousness, or your sad attempt to insinuate that I manipulate the rules of the league, with a thorough response. It's not worth my time.

I'll just say this: I've helped run this league successfully for three years now, and between the other commissioners and myself (and many helpful league members) we've been able to make it a wild and sustained success which has provided countless hours of entertainment and camaraderie to the league members. I've poured thousands of hours into this league for which I've been compensated absolutely zilch. I volunteer my time to do this gladly because of how much enjoyment I get out of the league. I have absolutely nothing to prove to a bitter malcontent who was here for about 10 seconds.

If you're looking for an apology for me not congratulating you on quitting the league, you're not going to get it. It was your choice, and once you left the league it stopped being my problem to worry about what you have to say. I'll leave it at that, good day.
 
Now I am starting to wonder if I am cheesy. It's weird, what I might consider a legit play, others might consider cheesy. I know I run a very fast paced audible offense, but nothing really wrong with that.
 
[quote name='augmog']Online now
And uber must have lost again smh[/QUOTE]

Can't wait til you pull another one of your moves and the other commissioners cave and ban you. Hopefully I'm still in the league then. If not, someone PM me. :cool:
 
[quote name='augmog']
And uber must have lost again smh[/QUOTE]

[quote name='ubernes']Can't wait til you pull another one of your moves and the other commissioners cave and ban you. Hopefully I'm still in the league then. If not, someone PM me. :cool:[/QUOTE]

I've got to say mog, that comment was pretty fucking low. This league wouldn't exist without uber, he deserves far more of your respect than he gets. Not that I suspect your respect matters the least bit to him.
 
sooo... maybe i should've stayed out of the league? I'm with MA on this while issue... i don't have anything special i do to win games. i call a variety of plays designed to keep my opponent guessing. i don't take advantage of the the horrible AI to get the job done. i think the game has gotten easier to manipulate over the years and people have abandoned thinking in terms of sim in favor of arcade styled play calling. it'd be nice to have people exhibiting genuine knowledge of football and how to pick apart an opponent through legit play calling and in game adjustments rather than pitching plays you know can't be covered due to AI or the physics of the game. long story short... Sim = playing as though you are on the sideline coaching. Arcade = using the video game glitches, physics, and AI as though they were plays themselves
 
[quote name='Deuce20602']Sim = playing as though you are on the sideline coaching. Arcade = using the video game glitches, physics, and AI as though they were plays themselves[/QUOTE]

Well put.
 
[quote name='dr0ppinL0adz']Anybody know if Grand Cru still plays in this league? or if he's out of town or something... or another way to get hold of him. Thanks[/QUOTE]

I'll reach out to him
 
[quote name='bvharris']Pretty much all of it. I'm not going to dignify the rest of your ridiculousness, or your sad attempt to insinuate that I manipulate the rules of the league, with a thorough response. It's not worth my time.

I'll just say this: I've helped run this league successfully for three years now, and between the other commissioners and myself (and many helpful league members) we've been able to make it a wild and sustained success which has provided countless hours of entertainment and camaraderie to the league members. I've poured thousands of hours into this league for which I've been compensated absolutely zilch. I volunteer my time to do this gladly because of how much enjoyment I get out of the league. I have absolutely nothing to prove to a bitter malcontent who was here for about 10 seconds.

If you're looking for an apology for me not congratulating you on quitting the league, you're not going to get it. It was your choice, and once you left the league it stopped being my problem to worry about what you have to say. I'll leave it at that, good day.[/QUOTE]

You sound like the bitter malcontent. A little frustration building up there I see. When I arrived in this league the best simile I can used to describe the feeling is what it must have felt like for Kobe to be a high school player and the next day he's in the NBA. It was a well oiled machine and (even though I think you are a nasty person) I know you have a lot to do with that. I made my suggestions and complaints because I thought staying active and contributing is what made the league great. You being the brilliant man you claim to be called my comments "butthurt" and ignored them. Now a lot of the same problems are returning and I'm trying to explain to you that you should acknowledge what people say instead of disregarding statements that may maintain the quality of what you are trying to do. Don't let pretentious attitude get in the way of your duties to the league.
 
[quote name='Deuce20602']sooo... maybe i should've stayed out of the league? I'm with MA on this while issue... i don't have anything special i do to win games. i call a variety of plays designed to keep my opponent guessing. i don't take advantage of the the horrible AI to get the job done. i think the game has gotten easier to manipulate over the years and people have abandoned thinking in terms of sim in favor of arcade styled play calling. it'd be nice to have people exhibiting genuine knowledge of football and how to pick apart an opponent through legit play calling and in game adjustments rather than pitching plays you know can't be covered due to AI or the physics of the game. long story short... Sim = playing as though you are on the sideline coaching. Arcade = using the video game glitches, physics, and AI as though they were plays themselves[/QUOTE]

Where were you when I was still in the league? Good post.
 
[quote name='njrockpd']Where were you when I was still in the league? Good post.[/QUOTE]

basic training and tech school lol
 
[quote name='bvharris']I've got to say mog, that comment was pretty fucking low. This league wouldn't exist without uber, he deserves far more of your respect than he gets. Not that I suspect your respect matters the least bit to him.[/QUOTE]

I respect uber and everyone in the league I'm just sayin the cryin is getting old problems in games should be handle via pm
 
[quote name='Deuce20602']basic training and tech school lol[/QUOTE]

Way more productive than excessive madden play, but not quite as much fun.
 
[quote name='njrockpd']You sound like the bitter malcontent. A little frustration building up there I see. When I arrived in this league the best simile I can used to describe the feeling is what it must have felt like for Kobe to be a high school player and the next day he's in the NBA. It was a well oiled machine and (even though I think you are a nasty person) I know you have a lot to do with that. I made my suggestions and complaints because I thought staying active and contributing is what made the league great. You being the brilliant man you claim to be called my comments "butthurt" and ignored them. Now a lot of the same problems are returning and I'm trying to explain to you that you should acknowledge what people say instead of disregarding statements that may maintain the quality of what you are trying to do. Don't let pretentious attitude get in the way of your duties to the league.[/QUOTE]

All of your comments were addressed. You simply didn't like the explanations. Just because I lit the other end of the bridge on fire doesn't mean there wasn't a torch in your hand as well.

You think that fero manipulated (or at the very least "creatively interpreted") league rules in beating you, the fact that you brought it up again on the last page means you still think that. I happen to have written the rules you think he manipulated, and I can tell you with certainty that he didn't. You've played fero once, I've played him dozens of times and I've seen everything he runs. His QB runs are all designed plays in the playbook he uses. Designed QB runs are permitted in this league. It's in the rules that you claimed to have so strictly tried to adhere to, and it's not something I edited in to support fero, it's been that way all year. The rules are the rules, and fero and I agree to play by them just like everyone else. That doesn't mean they are perfect, but the idea that we'd hold ourselves to a different standard of conduct is ridiculous. You thought he broke a rule, but you were categorically wrong in that belief. You chose to express your belief in what I found to be a pretty passive aggressive manner, which I pointed out. You then chose to quit, and I didn't try to stop you. I certainly don't regret that one bit given how I see you're choosing to conduct yourself now.

Honestly, you think I defer to fero over other members in the league? Damned right I do. I trust his opinion and I've gotten to know him pretty well. That doesn't mean I refuse to disagree with him (or uber), I have plenty of times. If he was in the wrong, I have no problem saying so. Nor have I had any trouble admitting when I perhaps could have handled something better. I'm certainly not infallible. This is not one of those times though.

You've stated your grievances, which you're certainly entitled to do. Your assessment of my level of interest in what league members have to say is wrong, but you're certainly entitled to hold whatever beliefs you want to hold. If you want to blame your exit from the league on me, you go right ahead. That being said, I see no positive outcome from continuing this further, so I'll just suggest we wish you well in your future Madden endeavors and let that be the end of it.
 
[quote name='Deuce20602']basic training and tech school lol[/QUOTE]

Hope you can take these Texans all the way. Still hoping Silky Johnson can go out on top, but it's not looking likely with the way I've been playing :cry:
 
[quote name='Doomtime']Hope you can take these Texans all the way. Still hoping Silky Johnson can go out on top, but it's not looking likely with the way I've been playing :cry:[/QUOTE]

i peeked at the team before i played Tanabeo... i think i can make some noise with them but I'll have to solidify both the O and D line... i think Silky Johnson can get a e-ring brie retirement...or getting fired lol
 
[quote name='Doomtime']Hope you can take these Texans all the way. Still hoping Silky Johnson can go out on top, but it's not looking likely with the way I've been playing :cry:[/QUOTE]

I hope you (or, more realistically, I) don't flame out too early, I'll be very disappointed if the last game we played was our final one of the year. Win or lose, I want another crack. :D
 
Anyway, I need to get up early to shovel snow tomorrow.

I hope you don't feel the need to continue this further njrock, I doubt either of us is looking especially enlightened to third parties. I'm sorry I called you unintelligent, that was uncalled for, and not productive to the discussion at all. That doesn't mean I don't find your assertions offensive, I do, but there's no point in dragging this further into the muck. I don't expect that every separation between player and league is going to be amicable, but at the very least we can try to keep it cordial.

As for the rest of the discussion, I appreciate everyone's thoughts and input. This league is always going to be a work in progress, but I'm committed to keeping it as fun as possible for everyone. It's a delicate balancing act, but I always am open to suggestions on how we can improve things.
 
[quote name='bvharris']All of your comments were addressed. You simply didn't like the explanations. Just because I lit the other end of the bridge on fire doesn't mean there wasn't a torch in your hand as well.

You think that fero manipulated (or at the very least "creatively interpreted") league rules in beating you, the fact that you brought it up again on the last page means you still think that. I happen to have written the rules you think he manipulated, and I can tell you with certainty that he didn't. You've played fero once, I've played him dozens of times and I've seen everything he runs. His QB runs are all designed plays in the playbook he uses. Designed QB runs are permitted in this league. It's in the rules that you claimed to have so strictly tried to adhere to, and it's not something I edited in to support fero, it's been that way all year. The rules are the rules, and fero and I agree to play by them just like everyone else. That doesn't mean they are perfect, but the idea that we'd hold ourselves to a different standard of conduct is ridiculous. You thought he broke a rule, but you were categorically wrong in that belief. You chose to express your belief in what I found to be a pretty passive aggressive manner, which I pointed out. You then chose to quit, and I didn't try to stop you. I certainly don't regret that one bit given how I see you're choosing to conduct yourself now.

Honestly, you think I defer to fero over other members in the league? Damned right I do. I trust his opinion and I've gotten to know him pretty well. That doesn't mean I refuse to disagree with him (or uber), I have plenty of times. If he was in the wrong, I have no problem saying so. Nor have I had any trouble admitting when I perhaps could have handled something better. I'm certainly not infallible. This is not one of those times though.

You've stated your grievances, which you're certainly entitled to do. Your assessment of my level of interest in what league members have to say is wrong, but you're certainly entitled to hold whatever beliefs you want to hold. If you want to blame your exit from the league on me, you go right ahead. That being said, I see no positive outcome from continuing this further, so I'll just suggest we wish you well in your future Madden endeavors and let that be the end of it.[/QUOTE]

You must have "creatively interpreted" my last statement about Fero as I clearly said I was using it as an example (IE.) in reference to what was said earlier about rule interpretation. I prefaced it by staying "I am not taking a shot at Fero" and as you may also note that since my first comment about Fero's game play I have been anything, but passive aggressive when addressing you. You say my assessment of your interest in what others have to say is wrong yet you incorrectly quote me time and time again.

Also, can you explain what is wrong with the way I choose to conduct myself? How has my behavior been any worse than yours?

If you choose to wish me well and be done with this conversation do me a favor and have some self respect. Say what you mean, don't be a hypocrite by insulting me in a passive aggressive manner and expect me not to retaliate.
 
[quote name='bvharris']Anyway, I need to get up early to shovel snow tomorrow.

I hope you don't feel the need to continue this further njrock, I doubt either of us is looking especially enlightened to third parties. I'm sorry I called you unintelligent, that was uncalled for, and not productive to the discussion at all. That doesn't mean I don't find your assertions offensive, I do, but there's no point in dragging this further into the muck. I don't expect that every separation between player and league is going to be amicable, but at the very least we can try to keep it cordial.

As for the rest of the discussion, I appreciate everyone's thoughts and input. This league is always going to be a work in progress, but I'm committed to keeping it as fun as possible for everyone. It's a delicate balancing act, but I always am open to suggestions on how we can improve things.[/QUOTE]

I just posted my last statement before seeing this post. I apologize for offending you in any way as well and I hope this league continues to be enjoyable for all of those involved. Good luck to the playoff teams and to all the others I hope you draft well. I'll see some of you in the other league.
 
Dropping Loads I responded to pm sorry for delay preparation for this storm here today has been crazy at my place of employment and thanks Deuce for looking out.
 
[quote name='Deuce20602']i propose we set the difficulty to All-Madden to help alleviate some of this issues related to the AI[/QUOTE]

no opinions???
 
[quote name='augmog']I respect uber and everyone in the league I'm just sayin the cryin is getting old problems in games should be handle via pm[/QUOTE]

Your whining and chiming in isn't getting old at all though. So please continue. :applause:

[quote name='Deuce20602']no opinions???[/QUOTE]

We already went over this earlier this season. No one bit. All-Madden has it's own set of problems.
 
[quote name='ubernes']Your whining and chiming in isn't getting old at all though. So please continue. :applause:



We already went over this earlier this season. No one bit. All-Madden has it's own set of problems.[/QUOTE]


it just comes to a point. and this madden 13 has been bad overall. i feel like they didnt test run the game one bit. i agree maybe all-madden might make a change because all-pro lets a lot of things go.

I agree with MA with playcalling but when everyone is aiming at you out of being bitter you put up with the "TE POP" play or the 15 yard out pattern that works on man and zone. So speaking for myself I swithed my playbook since complaints and the Ravens Playbook is very limited in plays and different routes. So I am making changes based on what people say no matter good or bad. So for what madden has done to us all sucks

btw has anyone notice onside kicks are broken? I feel like when I put the hands team out there we never recover
 
Onsides kicks are random. The only ones i recover are the ones that hit either the front or back person all the way to the right. But my biggest problem currently is Fumble recoveries need to be fix IMO, thats the dumbest looking thing in the game
 
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[quote name='Matt Young']Wow, I have a lot to catch up on.

Packers vs. Colts at 6:30 or 7 Eastern.[/QUOTE]

Any chance you could play our game tonight after we advance? Speaking of that, when are we looking to advance?
 
[quote name='Doomtime']They also need to fix players rising from the dead after they've been gang tackled. I've seen it happen more than I can count.[/QUOTE]

I scored from that before lol

Madden needs competition, we need 2k football back
 
Been MIA last few days workin n shit. Good game the other night BV, your defense is a problem. You got my number right now after handlin me the last two games. I promise to make it a better fight if we meet again tho...

Also gg doom, i called a pretty good game on D and nuetralized foster. That pick6 early was nice....u may be slumping now but dont count on anybody taking you lightly...

As far as all the talk about the league, were never gonna be perfect. There will always be issues, but looking at it the other day, we have like 25 owners who have been in the league the whole time. I donno maybe its just me but that is pretty impressive. Some people are more competitive than others, but some people are douchebags. And thats what we gotta get rid of...the douche baggery.
 
[quote name='BSETI50']Good game the other night BV, your defense is a problem.[/QUOTE]

Highest Madden compliment I've ever been paid. :D
 
For the most part everything is solid. I'd argue that as a whole the league plays more if a college style game which I'm fine with. Some college teams put up insane stats, others don't but it still balances out.

What's worse is people trying to defend the douchebaggery. Taking advantage of the AI (huge reverses of field for punt return TDs, jerking the runner back and forth to get spacing, etc) and being a dick should warrant a one strike and done policy. People can always go back to ranked games or the sites where they pickup this BS and play in their leagues.

Edit: For those of you wondering about mirroring the NFL. Right now we have 17 teams above .500, over the past 5 years the NFL averages 18 teams above .500. I can't look at historical data for our league from the website (or I can't find it) but I'd imagine it is pretty close to that number. I think bseti is right the league is in good shape, people just need to stop being assholes. You can win your Superbowl without treating everyone you play like crap.
 
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[quote name='staticz']I think bseti is right the league is in good shape, people just need to stop being assholes. You can win your Superbowl without treating everyone you play like crap.[/QUOTE]

:applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause:
 
[quote name='staticz']Right now we have 17 teams above .500, over the past 5 years the NFL averages 18 teams above .500..[/QUOTE]

I just might be one of the 15 teams but just barely I'm very close to .500 at the end of every season.
 
Spruce and I lost connection due to excessive grievences. He went to Netflix and did not answer my messages to replay, so I guess sim our game.
 
[quote name='itlnstln']Spruce and I lost connection due to excessive grievences. He went to Netflix and did not answer my messages to replay, so I guess sim our game.[/QUOTE]

You should be allowed to play the CPU, especially if he isn't responding.
 
[quote name='Dark Rider']You should be allowed to play the CPU, especially if he isn't responding.[/QUOTE]

No worries, he was winning. So it ends how it ends.
 
42 to 20 30 seconds left.. game could a been sent over but u called timeouts and made me punt.. I'm done with the play a full game and disconnect at the end I'm so tired of this shit I ain't replaying
 
Packers/Colts is done. Good game as always, Cobra.

Dark Rider, due to the time of the last scheduled game for today, tomorrow would be better for me. Can you play at 7 P.M. EST tomorrow?
 
Hey Mile High Von. Pm if you see this, for some reason the iPhone CAG mode won't let me send pms unless I'm replying to a message in my inbox.
 
[quote name='LVPatriots']Hey Mile High Von. Pm if you see this, for some reason the iPhone CAG mode won't let me send pms unless I'm replying to a message in my inbox.[/QUOTE]

I am a nice person. Here's a link to pm him. It should work from your iPhone.

[quote name='Matt Young']
Dark Rider, due to the time of the last scheduled game for today, tomorrow would be better for me. Can you play at 7 P.M. EST tomorrow?[/QUOTE]

Probably. I will PM you.
 
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