Metal Gear Solid 4 & Metal Gear Online - 8/6: Rumored Trophy Update Out Now? Rumor!

[quote name='Apossum']holy crap :shock:


i'm guessing a $99 msrp[/QUOTE]

NCSX had them for $68 preorder. They upped the price to $78 due to weight. Naturally, they're sold out.
 
[quote name='NamPaehc']Word from Comic-Con is they are looking at doing a "similiar" collection for the US, but it depends on if the retailers think there will be enough interest. At least that is excuse guy gave. :)[/QUOTE]


saw that as well... if it's roughly the $60 price point, I'm in. I consider it kinda like owning the shakespear of video games.
 
MGS4 is sooooo fucking sweet. Everything about it is AAA from what we have seen in trailers to actual game play footage! I can't fucking wait for this game pre order on day fucking one for me! The MGS collectors thing looks cool but I already have the main games I want plus it isn't coming to the US as of yet....
 
You guys remember how the MGS3 LE came with Metal Gear Saga Vol 1? I wonder if they'll make a Vol 2. Theres also the Theater Disc that put together all the MGS3 cutscenes.
 
The MGS4 gameplay trailer is still wowing me on repeat viewings. The whole thing with the factions will make for some very compelling and highly replayable gameplay if Kojima does it right, which I 99.9% believe he will. The last Splinter Cell did something sort of similar by having Sam balance his allegiance to the NSA with maintaining trust with the gang in which he was undercover, but the overall execution left a lot of room to expand on the idea. It didn't end up affecting gameplay much since it was so easy to maintain high trust in both groups.

Speaking of MGS3S, I really wish I kept my MGS3S LE + MGSaga DVD. Getting over $100 for it was nice, but the collector in me really wishes I didn't sell it. I did buy a regular MGS3S though, despite already playing through MGS3. I think it's one of the most overlooked games of all time, partly because MGS2 rubbed some people the wrong way, but mostly because of the games that came out around the same time: San Andreas and Halo 2, to name two. It's a real shame, because MGS3 might be my favorite game in the last generation.

It's definitely a possibility that they'll do a Vol. 2, possibly to bundle with a LE release of MGS4. That is one collector's item I won't be selling if I'm lucky enough to land one.
 
HO-LY SHIT WHAT THE fuck

THIS IS INCONCEIVABLE!

You can...

Y-y-y-y-ou... you.... you c-c-can...

MOVE! WHILE! AIMING!

OH MY fuckING HOLY SHIT WHAT THE fuck THIS IS INSANE ARRRRRUUUUUGGGGGGGGHHHHHH!

Alright, now that that's done... I am actually fairly convinced that, like most Metal Gears, we'll have a lot of cool toys to play with (Camo, barrels, et al.), but, that damn tranq to the head (The Jimmy Carter special, I still call it.) will likely still be the most cost-effective way to play the game, and I'd be surprised if we actually got as many chances to go to town as the gameplay trailer thingy showed... if trends from MGS2 and 3 continue.

Seems like it'll be typical MGS quality, but I really don't think I can stomach another helping of an overwrought Metal Gear plot of conspiracy theorizing and elevating of a "PERFECT SOLDIER" to the HOLY GRAIL OF ALL NATIONS. That's what I liked about MGS3, in that its ending actually surprised me by not making the US the bad guy.

Although if that MG:pO shit is canon, I'm quitting the series plotwise.
 
[quote name='President Tanaka of Konami']As we are aware of the popularity and hardware-driving power of this software franchise, going forwards we are open to taking this franchise across to other platforms.[/QUOTE]
From Kotaku

Maybe MGS4 will one day wind up on something other than a PS3, but for the time being I read that quote as Konami doing some fishing for big exclusivity cash from Sony (or a boost to whatever deal they currently have in place). More power to them. They deserve it. I'm still amazed by that 15-minute preview.
 
I can see a Metal Gear Solid game going multiplatform, but not specificly MGS4 since the way Tanaka phrased that. Metal Gear Online or a remake or something will probably happen on 360, but not MGS4.
 
If you haven't watched last week's 1up Show, they talk about the MGS4 trailers and MGO along with an interview by Mark MacDonald with Ryan Payton about the two games.

He mentioned that the soldiers or militiamen have a lot of dialog to communicate with each other about Snake helping or fighting against them. He mentioned that they really worked hard on making the controls more intuitive and using motion controls where it makes sense and not shove it in every situation that they can. You can help either side of the battles, which will give you access to their base and new paths to get to your goals, along with getting ammo and guns from your comrades. I'm betting that it doesn't really matter which side you choose as your goals will probably not be directly related to the battles at hand, but you'll still need to help out to further your progression in the game. That'll increase replayability a lot more than in most MGS games.

MGO stuff: They mentioned how you can inject the nanomachines into your enemies to be able to see what they're doing, but you're vulnerable to fire, so it looks like you'll need backup to keep an eye out for enemies when you do that. The engine's the same as MGS4, so same style of graphics, controls, and all that. New levels, maybe some stages taken from MGS4, but mostly new stages just for MGO, and there will be MGS4 characters in MGO, probably as leaders like in the original MGO.
 
Oh yeah, they also mentioned that you can now have three abilities tied to your MGO character (similar to Shadowrun, but not so much like CS) along with customizing the look of your character that you'll use in every battle. Those abilities level up as you use them more, making your character better, as well. They'll have special servers and tournaments for the better players to play in and show off their skillz (by checking their stats) and noobs will have access to special servers of their own so they don't need to worry about being dominated by the vets unless they really want to do it. That's nice to see, as the original MGO lacked that kind of separation of the ranks that allow them to play people of similar abilities. I hope MGO comes out first so I don't need to wait that long to kick some ass.
 
[quote name='RelentlessRolento']MGO oddly is a totally separate package from MGS4 though they have yet to figure out how it will be distributed (oddly I hope for digital distribution).

also, further good and wonderful proof that MGS2 was never really a black sheep... long ass read, but shows the depth of what people seemed to miss:

http://www.deltaheadtranslation.com/MGS2/DOTM_TOC.htm[/quote]
I don't really see how the PSN doesn't make sense for the game, maybe with a retail release like Warhawk to help make the game more widely available and increase the ownership of those headsets.
 
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']I don't really see how the PSN doesn't make sense for the game, maybe with a retail release like Warhawk to help make the game more widely available and increase the ownership of those headsets.[/QUOTE]


I think you read my wording wrong... I was hoping it's on the PSN instead of blu ray. I think it would actually sell alot better in that aspect, but have no idea why.
 
[quote name='RelentlessRolento']I think you read my wording wrong... I was hoping it's on the PSN instead of blu ray. I think it would actually sell alot better in that aspect, but have no idea why.[/quote]
I understood and largely agreed that it should be on the PSN. Blu-ray only makes sense to make it a Warhawk-like bundle since anybody that wants MGO will already be online and not need to get it from a retailer.
 
Hmm... Well if it wasn't a MGS game I would say yes to PSN but fans LOVE having anything MGS in their hands. So I personally think it would sell a lot better if it (MGSO) came out via blu-ray.
 
[quote name='RelentlessRolento']MGO oddly is a totally separate package from MGS4 though they have yet to figure out how it will be distributed (oddly I hope for digital distribution).

also, further good and wonderful proof that MGS2 was never really a black sheep... long ass read, but shows the depth of what people seemed to miss:

http://www.deltaheadtranslation.com/MGS2/DOTM_TOC.htm [/quote]

That treatise on MGS2 doesn't do it for me, a focus on tendentious thematic similarities between the previous game is no substitute for analysis. I could spend the same amount of time talking about those differences between DMC1 and DMC3. "Much like DMC1, Dante engages in cocky banter with the boss, but unlike DMC1, the boss here seems to recognize Dante's skill and blah blah blah."

Plus, I've seen Neo dodge bullets less effectively than the writer's contortion of the Liquid's Arm bit to duck criticism.

Plus, any analysis of MGS2 that does not heavily weigh the "information control" aspect of MGS2 misses one of the key elements, in my book; the power of those who control the information you get, which is the only reasonable explanation for the game's ridiculous and unbelievable constant shifting of what the GW thingy was supposed to be, and so much more of the plot.

I get the MGS2 plot... or at least a good deal of it, and I still don't like it.

Hint for Kojima: If the form of your game is to buck the player's expectations to follow a theme of bucking expectations, don't be surprised when gamers feel hostility toward you for having pulled the rug out from under them. Bait and switch is bait and switch.
 
[quote name='RollingSkull']That treatise on MGS2 doesn't do it for me, a focus on tendentious thematic similarities between the previous game is no substitute for analysis. I could spend the same amount of time talking about those differences between DMC1 and DMC3. "Much like DMC1, Dante engages in cocky banter with the boss, but unlike DMC1, the boss here seems to recognize Dante's skill and blah blah blah."

Plus, I've seen Neo dodge bullets less effectively than the writer's contortion of the Liquid's Arm bit to duck criticism.

Plus, any analysis of MGS2 that does not heavily weigh the "information control" aspect of MGS2 misses one of the key elements, in my book; the power of those who control the information you get, which is the only reasonable explanation for the game's ridiculous and unbelievable constant shifting of what the GW thingy was supposed to be, and so much more of the plot.

I get the MGS2 plot... or at least a good deal of it, and I still don't like it.

Hint for Kojima: If the form of your game is to buck the player's expectations to follow a theme of bucking expectations, don't be surprised when gamers feel hostility toward you for having pulled the rug out from under them. Bait and switch is bait and switch.[/QUOTE]

There's also a fat guy on rollerskates
 
[quote name='RollingSkull']Touche.[/QUOTE]


forgot to add, "thus metal gear solid 2 is the best game ever" during that fight.
 
[quote name='Apossum']forgot to add, "thus metal gear solid 2 is the best game ever" during that fight.[/QUOTE]


you spelled "best" wrong... it's
"Besterstormastorasteratorapplestorwillienelsonster-arthrites"
 
[quote name='RelentlessRolento']you spelled "best" wrong... it's
"Besterstormastorasteratorapplestorwillienelsonster-arthrites"[/QUOTE]


and still, it would be a cruel understatement.
 
so I was just checkin out the E3 trailer again. Did anybody mention who the guy with Meryl's squad that wasn't affected by the nanomachines might be? He was wearing a full head mask with sunglasses, and a bit of white hair comin out of the mask. Maybe that is Jack? And the ninja might be another reincarnation of grey fox (I think somebody already ventured that guess)? He doesn't fear death...maybe it's cuz he's already died twice? Or has the ninja already been confirmed as Raiden?
 
[quote name='RollingSkull']How could I not foresee the 'fat guy on rollerskates' riposte? I'm still reeling from my defeat in this thread.[/QUOTE]


I was trying to enhance your argument about why MGS2 is good :)

and I just learned a new word :) is that pronounced "Re-pahst" or "Rip-ohst" er..something else?
 
[quote name='Apossum']I was trying to enhance your argument about why MGS2 is good :) [/quote]

My argument was that MGS2 was bad. :(

and I just learned a new word :) is that pronounced "Re-pahst" or "Rip-ohst" er..something else?
Click to expand...

"Rip-ohst"
 
[quote name='imascrub']so I was just checkin out the E3 trailer again. Did anybody mention who the guy with Meryl's squad that wasn't affected by the nanomachines might be? He was wearing a full head mask with sunglasses, and a bit of white hair comin out of the mask. Maybe that is Jack? And the ninja might be another reincarnation of grey fox (I think somebody already ventured that guess)? He doesn't fear death...maybe it's cuz he's already died twice? Or has the ninja already been confirmed as Raiden?[/quote]
That's Raiden. Have you seen the previous MGS4 trailers? Raiden was shown off at last year's E3 trailer, as making him a badass that everyone likes was a goal that Kojima had to rectify the hatred Americans had for him.
 
Raiden as always meant to be a badass.

Once Snake (and every version of him) die this time (I'm calling it right here!) Raiden is going to step up and take on his own series of.... missions/games. :razz:
 
[quote name='NamPaehc']Raiden as always meant to be a badass.

Once Snake (and every version of him) die this time (I'm calling it right here!) Raiden is going to step up and take on his own series of.... missions/games. :razz:[/quote]
Time Paradox?
 
[quote name='imascrub']so I was just checkin out the E3 trailer again. Did anybody mention who the guy with Meryl's squad that wasn't affected by the nanomachines might be? He was wearing a full head mask with sunglasses, and a bit of white hair comin out of the mask. Maybe that is Jack? And the ninja might be another reincarnation of grey fox (I think somebody already ventured that guess)? He doesn't fear death...maybe it's cuz he's already died twice? Or has the ninja already been confirmed as Raiden?[/QUOTE]

The Ninja is already confirmed as Raiden. As for the guy with the full head mask no clue who he is but I bet he plays a big role in MGS4. Also I agree that all the Snakes will die in this one and Raiden will carry on the series. He will be the first person to wear the Ninja suit and not die.
 
I say new character... too many raiden type characters all stemming from grey fox... proof (for nothing?):

Null, Grey Fox, raiden... all raised on a sword and white hair...????
 
[quote name='zewone']It looks like Raiden in the video who is not affected by the nanomachines.[/QUOTE]

He could be disguised maybe? To blend in with the other soldiers, or perhaps it's his son from Olga?
 
I think that's the new Young Snake.

In one of the TGS videos it shows a very young looking snake posing as a statue to get away from a bunch of guards. At first he's wearing the Octocamo mask, but he pulls it away to reveal young snake smiling at the camera.

Not sure how Young Snake factors into the story, or whether it's a different Snake or not, but that's one likely place to put him.

However, the voice while he's asking what's wrong with everyone definitely sounds like Raiden. Could be him just pretending.
 
I think that is Raiden. See the white hair? (click to enlarge)



Also noticed the words on his and one of the other guy's shoulders. Think the top line say "Sneaking Suit".
 
[quote name='NamPaehc']I think that is Raiden. See the white hair? (click to enlarge)



Also noticed the words on his and one of the other guy's shoulders. Think the top line say "Sneaking Suit".[/QUOTE]


I say it's an entirely new character. at least that's what I hope. MG games will go on, but Hideo has said this is the last of all the solid characters and whatnot. time for the new kids.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if it was Raiden. Then again, I'm sure we were all meant to see the hair, and we were all meant to think Raiden. With MGS, nothing is really certain. I'm with Rolento, I think it's an entirely new character.
 
[quote name='Vanigan']I think that's the new Young Snake.

In one of the TGS videos it shows a very young looking snake posing as a statue to get away from a bunch of guards. At first he's wearing the Octocamo mask, but he pulls it away to reveal young snake smiling at the camera.

Not sure how Young Snake factors into the story, or whether it's a different Snake or not, but that's one likely place to put him.

However, the voice while he's asking what's wrong with everyone definitely sounds like Raiden. Could be him just pretending.[/QUOTE]

Another new Snake? I must have missed this whats this one going to be called lol. Any in case I still think it's Raiden undercover or perhaps his son if MGS4 is set far enough ahead in time from MGS2 that his baby already grew up. Also it could be a new character we haven't seen before which I am guessing makes sense. Jack the ripper indeed Solidius... indeed.
 
[quote name='Vanigan']I think that's the new Young Snake.

In one of the TGS videos it shows a very young looking snake posing as a statue to get away from a bunch of guards. At first he's wearing the Octocamo mask, but he pulls it away to reveal young snake smiling at the camera.

Not sure how Young Snake factors into the story, or whether it's a different Snake or not, but that's one likely place to put him.

However, the voice while he's asking what's wrong with everyone definitely sounds like Raiden. Could be him just pretending.[/quote]

I think the "young snake" was just a joke. Just like then they used to show Raiden in clips, teasing that he was going to be star character in MGS3 but then at the very end they revealed it was going to be Big Boss/Snake. They like to play games like this.
 
[quote name='NamPaehc']I think the "young snake" was just a joke. Just like then they used to show Raiden in clips, teasing that he was going to be star character in MGS3 but then at the very end they revealed it was going to be Big Boss/Snake. They like to play games like this.[/QUOTE]

Not if you selected "I liked MGS2" :rofl:
 
[quote name='Silent Assassin120']Another new Snake? I must have missed this whats this one going to be called lol. Any in case I still think it's Raiden undercover or perhaps his son if MGS4 is set far enough ahead in time from MGS2 that his baby already grew up. Also it could be a new character we haven't seen before which I am guessing makes sense. Jack the ripper indeed Solidius... indeed.[/quote]

hm i don't think it could be jack's kid since Meryl is there and she looks just as young as she did in mgs1, maybe slightly older. I don't think it's *that* far into the future. Or maybe she just takes very good care of herself, uses a lot of makeup, or she just naturally ages really really well lol. Dunno...
 
[quote name='imascrub']hm i don't think it could be jack's kid since Meryl is there and she looks just as young as she did in mgs1, maybe slightly older. I don't think it's *that* far into the future. Or maybe she just takes very good care of herself, uses a lot of makeup, or she just naturally ages really really well lol. Dunno...[/QUOTE]

Yeah, after thinking it over I don't think it is Jack's son after all. I was just putting it out there as a possibility but their is no way it could be him. So I am going with it's either a new character or Raiden in disguise.
 
Why is Snake holding....um...you know.

holding.jpg
 
[quote name='Fuzzibunny']Why is Snake holding....um...you know.

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb115/jozsipics/holding.jpg[/QUOTE]

Watch the game play trailer.
 
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