Metroid Prime 3 - Do Mother Brains' Have PMS? - 9.5 From IGN!

Sun isn't the issue-I mean it is, I can't play it during the day (!), but I dislike the controls regardless.

At any rate, now I'm on to Kingdom Hearts 2. Since I actually EXPECT to dislike that, maybe that means I'll love it? ;) (Couldn't resist with the buy 2 get 1 free deal-and I love the concept, and really liked Chain of Memories on the GBA, so...)

I'm not at all surprised by the garbage posts in this thread, but quite pleased that the majority were actually helpful :) So yay to you guys :)
 
[quote name='Wolfpup']Semi-different topic, but this game is an example of why I think we have a serious issue with game critics. Even just going by the responses in this thread, it's clear there should have been a wide variety of scores for this game. If this were a movie, I bet you'd have some 1 and 2 star reviews, and some 4 star. But this game's reviews are universally positive. I've seen this kind of thing too much (in both directions). I'm not exactly sure what it means, but I do think it's some kind of an indication about the immaturity of the critical scene for games right now.
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Actually, I think you are dead wrong here. I think it got a fairly wide range of scores PRECISELY because of complaints about the controls (only to those who wanted it to be just like the older games) or how un-Metroidy it was (ditto). Wasn't there one fairly low review that complained both that it brought nothing new to the series and ALSO that it wasn't enough like the original Metroid Prime (too linear or something)? Anyway, I couldn't wrap my head around that one. But I think SOME of your complaints are the very reason it didn't get universal 9.5 or 10's, which, IMO, it deserved. But I recognize it isn't for everyone and thus that explains the 8's and such - a much wider range than I expected.

And if your problem is that the exploration aspect is missing, that definitely comes in later. You have a whole sidequest ship to explore that you unlock slowly through play. (Part of it is required, but not all of it). Plus there's a ton of puzzles involved in getting all the pickups (need 100% for the special scene at the end).

As for the controls, well, others covered that. This was by far the best FPS-type control I have played. I'm not a big FPS player though. But it is pretty much universally considered the "way to go" on the Wii with respect to shooter conrols so expect a lot of future games to copy it. You might as well get rid of your Wii now...

KH II is an OK game. I got about half way and then haven't touched it in over a year. Hopefully you can find some enjoyment there ;).
 
I never understood the whole "NEEDS TO BE MOAR METROIDY" impulse. I got Super Metroid on VC earlier and found it dreadfully dull compared to the Primes. Across the board, they always balance exploration and direction perfectly. Why people bitch about it is beyond me...
 
io, there's a special ending for 100%? I thought it was just expanded at 75%.

And why is this thread not part of the main Metroid thread?
 
I tried playing the demo at a Gamestop and it bored me to tears. They also had the brilliant idea of having the Wii setup next to a window so camera kept spinning because of the sunlight bouncing off all the cars.

I'm actually glad for the experience though as it lowered my desire for a wii from minimal to none existant. Not only do I not find the games all that enjoyable, but I have two huge bay windows on both sides of my TV and a very shiny hardwood floor. Playing the Wii would be impossible unless it was night time.

I guess I can finally pick up Twilight Princess for GC.
 
[quote name='Kayden']I tried playing the demo at a Gamestop and it bored me to tears. They also had the brilliant idea of having the Wii setup next to a window so camera kept spinning because of the sunlight bouncing off all the cars.

I'm actually glad for the experience though as it lowered my desire for a wii from minimal to none existant. Not only do I not find the games all that enjoyable, but I have two huge bay windows on both sides of my TV and a very shiny hardwood floor. Playing the Wii would be impossible unless it was night time.

I guess I can finally pick up Twilight Princess for GC.[/quote]Your basing your judgment of a game / system based on a self-admitted horrid placement for the system? :roll:
 
:roll: yourself. I wasn't bashing it. I didn't say its the stupidest fucking game ever and only a total dick monger would like it.

I said it bored me. I didn't care for it. I did not find it fun. In my own personal opinion, I did not find the game enjoyable for anyone who is me. And in addition to that I commented on the positioning of the system. Yes, it added to my unenjoyment, but was far from the sole source.

That was one of my few civil posts and someone still had to act like I slit their mom's throat and fucked the hole. Christ you people are whiny.

[quote name='daroga']Your basing your judgment of a game / system based on a self-admitted horrid placement for the system? :roll:[/quote]
 
[quote name='Kayden']:roll: yourself. I wasn't bashing it. I didn't say its the stupidest fucking game ever and only a total dick monger would like it.

I said it bored me. I didn't care for it. I did not find it fun. In my own personal opinion, I did not find the game enjoyable for anyone who is me. And in addition to that I commented on the positioning of the system. Yes, it added to my unenjoyment, but was far from the sole source.

That was one of my few civil posts and someone still had to act like I slit their mom's throat and fucked the hole. Christ you people are whiny.[/QUOTE]

We're not the ones whining about sunlight.

You either can't play it because it's too sunny or you're a tard. We'll go with #2.
 
[quote name='daroga']io, there's a special ending for 100%? I thought it was just expanded at 75%.
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There's an extra scene for 75% and another, additional extra scene for 100%.
 
[quote name='Kayden']:roll: yourself. I wasn't bashing it. I didn't say its the stupidest fucking game ever and only a total dick monger would like it.

I said it bored me. I didn't care for it. I did not find it fun. In my own personal opinion, I did not find the game enjoyable for anyone who is me. And in addition to that I commented on the positioning of the system. Yes, it added to my unenjoyment, but was far from the sole source.

That was one of my few civil posts and someone still had to act like I slit their mom's throat and fucked the hole. Christ you people are whiny.[/quote]Um, wow. Easy there pal. I think you might want to reread your post and reconsider which person or people you label as "whiny." Pardon me for thinking it was pretty silly to base your impressions on a game when the control was all befuddled. I'm gonna try out every new game with the analog stick mis-centered now.
 
You're welcome to your opinion, but the fact that you started a separate thread instead of adding to the existing discussion indicates to me that you're more interested in being "that guy" than in offering constructive criticism.
 
I never beat the 1st 2 Primes and won't play this until I do so.
I dislike 3d puzzles in a first person shooter.
The original Metroid blows the Primes out of the water.
Still need to play super metroid, I am sure it is much better than this game too.
 
If you are not enjoying the game, then you should trade it in and try something else, maybe is not the type of game for you.

Me personally, the controls, were the last thing I had an issue with, if anything they were an improvement and not hard at all, eventually it becomes second nature to aim with the wiimote.

I would rate this game at 9.5 with the minus .5 for some of the loading times and one of the hand gestures that I had some troubles with getting to work, but overall is one of the better games out this year.
 
I don't understand how anyone could prefer an analog stick over this. In my opinion, the precision and speed of a wiimote are second (and this is debateable) only to a mouse. I can see why maybe if your hands or arms are ridiculously shakey an analog stick could make more sense, and if you have trouble pointing at things, the Wii probably wasn't ever for you in the first place.
 
[quote name='Wolfpup']I'm playing Metroid Prime 3-two or three hours in, I'm on the surface of the (first?) planet. So far I hate it. The control is hideous, and it's just a completely generic FPS. There isn't the slightest bit of what made the Metroid games (including Metroid Prime) fun---it's just completely straight forward "shoot stuff, move to another room", only with the worst controls I can recall playing in an FPS (made even more fun during the day when I spin in circles or the view randomly jumps around because of sunlight).

So...does this actually get fun at some point? Turn into an actual Metroid game? The combat stinks, and exploration (if there was any) isn't much fun since movement's so hard. Really glad I didn't buy it...

So far it actually reminds me of Metroid Prime Hunter for the exact same reasons...

Just wondering if this is worth sticking with, or if I don't like it yet, I'm never going to like it. (I've never not loved a Metroid game instantly...aside from Hunters, which IMO ISN'T a Metroid game).[/quote]
My bitching has a first name. It's W-O-L-F. My bitching has a second name. It's P-U-P.
 
Update-played it quite a bit more, and while I do think it gets better, my initial impressions haven't really changed. I'll get into the control in a bit, but this really isn't a Metroid game.

The difficulty also seems uneven to me, with certain boss-type sequences past the point of fun to me.

[quote name='io']Actually, I think you are dead wrong here. I think it got a fairly wide range of scores PRECISELY because of complaints about the controls (only to those who wanted it to be just like the older games) or how un-Metroidy it was (ditto). Wasn't there one fairly low review that complained both that it brought nothing new to the series and ALSO that it wasn't enough like the original Metroid Prime (too linear or something)? Anyway, I couldn't wrap my head around that one. But I think SOME of your complaints are the very reason it didn't get universal 9.5 or 10's, which, IMO, it deserved. But I recognize it isn't for everyone and thus that explains the 8's and such - a much wider range than I expected.[/quote]

That isn't a wide range at all. Gamespot gave it a "great" score. In another forum I frequent the consensus on this is that (unfortunately) many of the types of people on display in this thread are what prevents real game criticism. Like I said, if there were a film, you'd probably see a lot of high scores, but also a lot of 5's and 6's, and probably below. That people would be 'outraged' over a near perfect score, or the very real criticisms brought up in this thread is frightening. There's religious fervor on display here that's embarrassing.

[quote name='RollingSkull']I never understood the whole "NEEDS TO BE MOAR METROIDY" impulse. I got Super Metroid on VC earlier and found it dreadfully dull compared to the Primes. Across the board, they always balance exploration and direction perfectly. Why people bitch about it is beyond me...[/QUOTE]

Presumably because we're fans of Metroid style gameplay. I'm not saying you're "wrong" to enjoy the game. But it isn't much at all like Metroid. I seek out as many Metroid style games as I can, and usually enjoy them. When I pick up a Metroid game, I expect it to play like Metroid. For long time gamers the name is synonymous with a certain style of gameplay that isn't on display here. So yeah, it's a disappointment, and obviously comparisons are going to be made to actual Metroid-style games that wouldn't have been made had this not used the Metroid license. I've played a free Metroid style game that some long guy made that's more fun (to me) and certainly plays more like Metroid than Prime 3 does.

[quote name='Kayden']:roll: yourself. I wasn't bashing it. I didn't say its the stupidest fucking game ever and only a total dick monger would like it.

I said it bored me. I didn't care for it. I did not find it fun. In my own personal opinion, I did not find the game enjoyable for anyone who is me. And in addition to that I commented on the positioning of the system. Yes, it added to my unenjoyment, but was far from the sole source...[/quote]

I think it's frightening commentary on humanity, frankly. YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED CRITICISM! YOU MUST THINK LIKE US!

[quote name='Mr. Roper']I never beat the 1st 2 Primes and won't play this until I do so.
I dislike 3d puzzles in a first person shooter.
The original Metroid blows the Primes out of the water.
Still need to play super metroid, I am sure it is much better than this game too.[/QUOTE]

I've never had a chance to play Metroid Prime 2, but I felt the first one was remarkably successful doing a 3D Metroid game, and not a first person shooter with Metroid trappings. This game is VERY different from MP1, and like I said earlier it fulfills all the fears I had about that game.

IMO (and I think this is generally even agreed on) Metroid 1 and 3 are the best in the series, and since you enjoyed Metroid 1, it's almost a sure thing you're going to enjoy Metroid 3 (IMO 2 and 4 aren't as good, 4 in particular, and Metroid Prime 1 for me would be placed maybe between those two games).

[quote name='akushin']I don't understand how anyone could prefer an analog stick over this. In my opinion, the precision and speed of a wiimote are second (and this is debateable) only to a mouse. I can see why maybe if your hands or arms are ridiculously shakey an analog stick could make more sense, and if you have trouble pointing at things, the Wii probably wasn't ever for you in the first place.[/QUOTE]

I disagree. Beyond the issue that sunlight interferes with this, I find the Wiimote much less accurate than an analog stick, which is already much less accurate than a mouse. It's not unusable by any means, but an FPS that's well tuned for a stick has IMO more precision, and is just easier to deal with IMO. Not drastically so, but I find it faster and more accurate personally. Beyond that, with the Wii's scheme if you go past a certain point it looses track of the controller's position. I find it very difficult to really look "up" compared to a normal game.

It doesn't make the game unplayable, but I'd switch to a normal controller in a second if the option were available.

The other issue is just that I *like* how Metroid Prime intentionally deemphasized the first person shooter aspects, had a full lock on system that in some senses made the gameplay more similar to the 2D games. (Though I think you could still do the basic gameplay structure of Metroid in a game that controlled like an FPS.)
 
[quote name='Wolfpup'] I find the Wiimote much less accurate than an analog stick[/QUOTE]

Then you are doing it so very wrong.

So, so very wrong.

And I'm not going to get into a semantics debate, but it very much feels like a Metroid title to me, and I just got done playing Super Metroid. There's not just endless enemies. There's lots of exploration, there's a pretty amazing amount of puzzle elements, lots of rolling in a ball, etc.

I'm not super far in the game but I actually sort of want more things to shoot.
 
I'm around 30% done and I'm STILL not 100% used to the controls or accurate with my aiming. That's probably my fault though. I do like this game and the small additions to the series with the ability to fly your ship to different worlds and stuff. It's not my favorite Metroid ever (so far) but it's certainly not the worst (SM and MP1 are my favorites). If you don't like it then what can I say, you probably have something seriously wrong with you. Maybe see a doctor or something? I don't know. Your condition is too horrible for me to even think about.
 
[quote name='wolfpup'] I find the Wiimote much less accurate than an analog stick[/quote]
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I think you bought the wrong system.
 
[quote name='Wolfpup']The other issue is just that I *like* how Metroid Prime intentionally deemphasized the first person shooter aspects, had a full lock on system that in some senses made the gameplay more similar to the 2D games. (Though I think you could still do the basic gameplay structure of Metroid in a game that controlled like an FPS.)[/QUOTE]Just a comment -- the lock-on system from the first two Metroid Prime games is available by disabling "free lock" in the options menu.
 
To be fair, getting used to new controls can take a long time. I remember when Kingpin for PC came out, and it was the first game where I felt I had to learn to use the mouse, whereas previous FPS games like Doom, Duke3D and Shadow Warrior all had vertical autoaim and I played them all with both hands on the keyboard.

I remember how painful it was to learn the mouse, and it did take quite a while.
 
[quote name='Milkyman']I'm surprised by the hostility here.[/QUOTE]

Shouldn't be.

Funny how someone not liking the controls, or not using them very well, is assailed with a "it's not the controls, it's you that stinks" attitude. Wonder how well that would go over if Lair was described that way. :lol:

I suppose this is a fair game question to ask here: I'm playing through MP2 right now, and I'm not really feelin' it. It's good, damned good, but for some reason, I know I'm going to feel like going Metroid-celibate for a few months after playing this. Purists and casual players alike: is it worth finishing MP2 for any reason before moving onto MP3? Also, how is MP3 compared to MP2?

I can't fuckin' figure it out; MP absolutely floored me, and my reaction to Echoes was along the lines of "huh, more of this, eh?"
 
[quote name='javeryh']I'm around 30% done and I'm STILL not 100% used to the controls or accurate with my aiming. That's probably my fault though. I do like this game and the small additions to the series with the ability to fly your ship to different worlds and stuff. It's not my favorite Metroid ever (so far) but it's certainly not the worst (SM and MP1 are my favorites). If you don't like it then what can I say, you probably have something seriously wrong with you. Maybe see a doctor or something? I don't know. Your condition is too horrible for me to even think about.[/QUOTE]

Uh...well I'll just comment on the ship thing. I do like that mechanic. I've had particular ideas for that I've wanted done for a long time...maybe Mass Effect is going to do them, I'm not sure.

[quote name='MisterHand']Just a comment -- the lock-on system from the first two Metroid Prime games is available by disabling "free lock" in the options menu.[/QUOTE]

Thanks. Yeah, I didn't realize that at first, and do prefer having that on. I've played with the settings, and my favorite so far is the medium sensitivity with autolock on (default is medium with autolock off). I used high sensitivity for a while, but it got too twitchy, and low is too "robotic" I guess in how the camera moves.

[quote name='mykevermin']...
I suppose this is a fair game question to ask here: I'm playing through MP2 right now, and I'm not really feelin' it. It's good, damned good, but for some reason, I know I'm going to feel like going Metroid-celibate for a few months after playing this. Purists and casual players alike: is it worth finishing MP2 for any reason before moving onto MP3? Also, how is MP3 compared to MP2?

I can't fuckin' figure it out; MP absolutely floored me, and my reaction to Echoes was along the lines of "huh, more of this, eh?"[/QUOTE]

I'd like to know that too. Is Metroid Prime 2 more like the first one, or the third one? I might want to rent the second one at some point. Only part of Metroid Prime 1 I really disliked was that final boss battle (and come to think of it, I remember it as having very few boss battles, like the regular Metroid games, and very unlike MP3).
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Shouldn't be.

Funny how someone not liking the controls, or not using them very well, is assailed with a "it's not the controls, it's you that stinks" attitude. Wonder how well that would go over if Lair was described that way. :lol:

I suppose this is a fair game question to ask here: I'm playing through MP2 right now, and I'm not really feelin' it. It's good, damned good, but for some reason, I know I'm going to feel like going Metroid-celibate for a few months after playing this. Purists and casual players alike: is it worth finishing MP2 for any reason before moving onto MP3? Also, how is MP3 compared to MP2?

I can't fuckin' figure it out; MP absolutely floored me, and my reaction to Echoes was along the lines of "huh, more of this, eh?"[/quote]

Don't worry about Prime 2 IMO. I couldn't get motivated to finish it even after getting 90% of the way through. I felt the same way as you. MP1 was outstanding and while 2 is very good, I just got tired of it and quit.

MP3 OTOH, has kept me enthralled since I first started it. It is just different enough (and I mean besides the controls which I think are fantastic) from the first two to make it fresh, but it keeps the core gameplay the same. I would recommend starting on Veteran difficulty if you want somewhat of a challege. I am right near the end of MP3 and I can count the number of times I have died on one hand. It's not that I want to be frustrated, but some of the boss battles, while amazing, have seemed a touch too easy.

I have been thinking about going to back to MP2 once I beat 3, but I don't think I'll be able to take the controls anymore.

Oh, and Lair was defended in the exact same way as you stated above by the developers. I mean they released a reviewers guide to Lair for christ's sake. Eggebrecht has stated publicly that he feels harcore gamers are not good at the game because they are not used to motion control and therefore they are unfairly rating it.
 
[quote name='Wolfpup']I'd like to know that too. Is Metroid Prime 2 more like the first one, or the third one? I might want to rent the second one at some point. Only part of Metroid Prime 1 I really disliked was that final boss battle (and come to think of it, I remember it as having very few boss battles, like the regular Metroid games, and very unlike MP3).[/quote]

Metroid Prime 2 is pretty much more of the same from Metroid Prime 1. It's a very well designed game with some fun powerups and it nails "Metroid" (IMO) but it's not going to wow anyone - especially now. MP3 feels like a small step forward in the series whereas MP2 was more of a sidestep. If you love Metroid then definitely play it but if you are looking for a new/different experience then steer clear.

I have a soft spot in my heart for Metroid in that I want it to be good. Super Metroid is still one of the best games I've ever played ever and to not get a sequel or any new Metroid game for 8 years was a LONG wait. Then Metroid Prime came out and blew me away - I didn't want 3D and I didn't want FPS controls but I LOVED LOVED LOVED everything about Metroid Prime. The two sequels have been very fun but have had nowhere near the impact on my love for the series as Super Metroid and Metroid Prime did. I like them a lot but probably more because it's Metroid than because of the games themselves. If you stripped out the license then I'd probably give each game a B-/C+ but adding the license makes them both A-/B+ games (I would give Super Metroid and Metroid Prime both an A+).
 
[quote name='mykevermin']
I suppose this is a fair game question to ask here: I'm playing through MP2 right now, and I'm not really feelin' it. It's good, damned good, but for some reason, I know I'm going to feel like going Metroid-celibate for a few months after playing this. Purists and casual players alike: is it worth finishing MP2 for any reason before moving onto MP3? Also, how is MP3 compared to MP2?

I can't fuckin' figure it out; MP absolutely floored me, and my reaction to Echoes was along the lines of "huh, more of this, eh?"[/QUOTE]

You've pretty much got it right on the money. MP2 was nothing special.

It's not that it was a bad game, but throwing in elements like "OMG I HAVE TO STAY IN THE SAFE ZONE" and giving an ammo count to weapons came off as more frustrating than innovative. Not to mention we've seen the whole "light world/dark world" scenario used countless times before, and better implemented too.

In my opinion, it's a game best skipped, lest it sour your taste for MP3.
 
[quote name='lebowsky']Oh, and Lair was defended in the exact same way as you stated above by the developers. I mean they released a reviewers guide to Lair for christ's sake. Eggebrecht has stated publicly that he feels harcore gamers are not good at the game because they are not used to motion control and therefore they are unfairly rating it.[/QUOTE]

I know that much, but the difference is that it's the developers saying so, not players themselves. Both have merit, IMO, but different kinds. I've never cared for the "it's not the game, it's you" approach (my first taste of that snide attitude was with Ninja Gaiden). It should come as no surprise that developers say great things about their games; hell, I'm sure that Acclaim's old developers thought their titles were top notch (go back and pick up their old PSX WWF titles, or the "Legends of Wrestling" series, or...well, more or less any Acclaim published title for evidence of this).

Thanks for the info, all. Lamentably, I'm far enough into the game (~17%, 3 hours or so) that I feel compelled to finish it. I'm glad I'm not alone in feeling that the game is very good, but somehow rather ho-hum at the same time.
 
[quote name='Idiot']I find the Wiimote much less accurate than an analog stick, which is already much less accurate than a mouse.[/QUOTE]

This is the type of stupidity that has driven me insane since the launch of the Wii. It's one thing to say you don't like the controls or the Wiimote or the Wii. Fine your entitled to like what you like. However, saying that an analog stick is more accurate than the Wiimote, something which is factually, provably false only makes you look like an idiot who is making up excuses to hate on the Wii.

What's more is that MP3 has the best controls of any console first person game ever made. Pretty much every reasonable person who has played the game will agree. Yet you say the controls suck.

I have my issues with the game and find it far from perfect, but you are just spewing some dumb shit that is begging to be attacked.
 
Played a token amount last night... was finally directed over to the Valhalla after I grabbed a couple upgrades to earn the 75% ending. I'll need to try to finish the last few hours or whatever is remaining this week since I'll be out of town this weekend.
 
[quote name='Wolfpup']
That isn't a wide range at all. Gamespot gave it a "great" score. In another forum I frequent the consensus on this is that (unfortunately) many of the types of people on display in this thread are what prevents real game criticism. Like I said, if there were a film, you'd probably see a lot of high scores, but also a lot of 5's and 6's, and probably below. That people would be 'outraged' over a near perfect score, or the very real criticisms brought up in this thread is frightening. There's religious fervor on display here that's embarrassing.
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It's because Metroid Prime 3 isn't like a film that gets some perfect reviews and a lot of poor 5-6 reviews.

It's like a super high rated, best picture winning movie that the majority of people love that gets nearly unanimously high reviews across the board.

However, that doesn't mean that everyone will love it. Just because a movie is at 94% on Rotten Tomatoes doesn't mean that everyone will love it. Similarly, just because a game like this is at 90%+ on gamerankings doesn't mean everyone will love it.

While I absolutely loved the game, and would give it a 9.5, I won't begrudge you for not liking it. Different strokes for different folks. What I loved about the game, is what you don't like, and that's just how it goes. The GTA series is nearly unanimously loved, and I absolutely hate it and have played few games that I had less fun with than GTA3.

Now I will admit that the "religious fervor" point is semi valid, and people on forums (this one in particular) get overly defensive when someone bashes one of the big games on their system of choice. But that's not worth getting bent out of shape over. Just pay no heed to the fanboys, or you just give them the attention that they so desperately crave.
 
[quote name='Scrubking']This is the type of stupidity that has driven me insane since the launch of the Wii. It's one thing to say you don't like the controls or the Wiimote or the Wii. Fine your entitled to like what you like. However, saying that an analog stick is more accurate than the Wiimote, something which is factually, provably false only makes you look like an idiot who is making up excuses to hate on the Wii.

What's more is that MP3 has the best controls of any console first person game ever made. Pretty much every reasonable person who has played the game will agree. Yet you say the controls suck.

I have my issues with the game and find it far from perfect, but you are just spewing some dumb shit that is begging to be attacked.[/QUOTE]


That's totally unnecessary. He said he found it less accurate than a stick. Just meaning that HE is less accurate with it than with a stick. Which makes since given his sunlight issues, and generally interfernce issues given his comment about the wiimote not responding as well near the edges of the screen.

And those issues aside, it WILL be less accurate for some people if they have shakey hands or are just super experts with the stick aiming.

Just because one person says it is less accurate for them is no reason to jump all over them and call them an idiot etc. Grow up.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']That's totally unnecessary. He said he found it less accurate than a stick. Just meaning that HE is less accurate with it than with a stick. Which makes since given his sunlight issues, and generally interfernce issues given his comment about the wiimote not responding as well near the edges of the screen.

And those issues aside, it WILL be less accurate for some people if they have shakey hands or are just super experts with the stick aiming.

Just because one person says it is less accurate for them is no reason to jump all over them and call them an idiot etc. Grow up.[/QUOTE]

[quote name='OP']The control is hideos... the worst controls I can recall playing in an FPS[/QUOTE]

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I beat it on my lunch break today. 24 hours in-game time. There were a couple pause marathons that accounted for that though. I was a pretty big scan whore so that may account for the inflated time as well.

It was a great game but I am on the fence about what to do with it as well. Gamestop/EB is offering an extra 20% trade-in on it if you put it on a SMG or GH3 pre-order. I absolutely hate pre-ordering but only paying $20 for SMG sounds pretty good. EB/GS is offering $25 for MP3 according to their site.
 
[quote name='Wolfpup']

That isn't a wide range at all. Gamespot gave it a "great" score. In another forum I frequent the consensus on this is that (unfortunately) many of the types of people on display in this thread are what prevents real game criticism. Like I said, if there were a film, you'd probably see a lot of high scores, but also a lot of 5's and 6's, and probably below. That people would be 'outraged' over a near perfect score, or the very real criticisms brought up in this thread is frightening. There's religious fervor on display here that's embarrassing.

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It is a fairly wide range for a game. No, not as wide as some other more controversial games. But that's because this is universally acclaimed as an excellent title ;).

As for the "religious fervor" I think you are being a tad hypocritical here. Whenever anyone refutes a Wii-basher on CAG they get tarred with this label. Yet the people who come in to troll against the Wii never fall into that category? Yeah, right... It is one thing to criticize the game on various levels like it is too easy, or doesn't have enough exploration, or you wish it were in HD, or it is too short, or whatever... But saying "The control is hideous, and it's just a completely generic FPS." puts you in the religious fervor camp - just on the other side of the fence... Not to mention the troll-like title of this thread (which implies the game at least starts out being boring as if it were fact). Note that there is plenty of criticism in the MAIN Metroid Prime 3 thread and no one got too excited about it there. I'm glad this is in a different thread though - the other is for specific in-game issues and shouldn't be cluttered up with all this stuff ;).

Yeah, some of the comments here have been unfairly harsh, but that's no reason to then dump everyone who criticizes your comments into the brain-washed fanboy category. You have to realize that to most of us, this is the game that finally refutes most of the Wii-bashers arguments: not a Gamecube-port (ala Twilight Princess and even Mario Party 8), got the controls right (no tacked-on waggle like most third party games), and has significantly greater than Gamecube graphics. So, yeah, people will be a little sensitive when they've heard these points tossed around endlessly for nearly a year and now, finally, the game that delivers on the promise of the Wii is described as "hideous".

I noticed something in the last CAGcast that may help explain a bit why people are a bit defensive on the Nintendo side. Now it seems Wombat is a big Prime fan and surely will like the game once he plays it. Yet he said he was holding off because it is not an online game and thus he can play it at any time in the future. So now he'll put it off indefinitely (and it sounds like Cheapy will do the same as well after trying it out). They just aren't excited about it because it is on the Wii. That's fine if you are a big online community type person. HOWEVER, both of them sunk a ton of time immediately upon release into Bioshock which has even less online features than MP3. I'd say if you want to unlock all the extras you actually need to get into MP3 sooner rather than later. The "community" aspect will go away fairly soon (it will be hard to get people to trade vouchers). Now, sure, these little extras are completely superfluous (though you MUST get that Mii Bobblehead ;)). But the point is that they were willing to put the best Wii game aside because it wasn't, basically, on the 360...

Personally, I'm waiting on a cheap price for Bioshock. I'm not a big FPS player (Metroid Primes being the exception) but because of the hype I'm willing to give it a shot - but not for $60. But because of the exact point Wombat makes, I can wait. It's not like there is an online mode where I'll be hopelessly outclassed if I wait a year or two to play it. And by the way, I love the 360 as well - currently playing Blue Dragon which I think is one of the best games on the system. I'm glad I didn't let the majority of 360 owners on CAG (who seemed to dismiss it outright) scare me away from it.
 
[quote name='lebowsky']I beat it on my lunch break today. 24 hours in-game time. There were a couple pause marathons that accounted for that though. I was a pretty big scan whore so that may account for the inflated time as well.

It was a great game but I am on the fence about what to do with it as well. Gamestop/EB is offering an extra 20% trade-in on it if you put it on a SMG or GH3 pre-order. I absolutely hate pre-ordering but only paying $20 for SMG sounds pretty good. EB/GS is offering $25 for MP3 according to their site.[/quote]You'll get $37.50 if you trade it in by the 30th. Still undecided myself, but I haven't quite finished it yet. So I have some time.
 
[quote name='botticus']You'll get $37.50 if you trade it in by the 30th. Still undecided myself, but I haven't quite finished it yet. So I have some time.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, they handed me a coupon for that when I was in there last time (after I told them I had just finished it). The funny thing is, after I said my son was still playing it occasionally, he said I could trade it in and probably like just a week later it would be $10 cheaper and I could buy it back. :lol: WTF?? I mean, I understand waiting till it drops to $30 or $20 (a year or three from now), but that was just some ridiculous salesmanship there.

The good news is that, clearly, EB/GS is desperate for Wii trade-ins which can only bode well for the system.
 
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He said the worst controls HE could recall PLAYING in an FPS. That's just his opinion, and may well be true for him.

I love the controls personally, but I'm not going to argue with someone who struggles with them. Different strokes for different folks.
 
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As for the "religious fervor" I think you are being a tad hypocritical here. Whenever anyone refutes a Wii-basher on CAG they get tarred with this label. Yet the people who come in to troll against the Wii never fall into that category? Yeah, right... It is one thing to criticize the game on various levels like it is too easy, or doesn't have enough exploration, or you wish it were in HD, or it is too short, or whatever... But saying "The control is hideous, and it's just a completely generic FPS." puts you in the religious fervor camp - just on the other side of the fence... Not to mention the troll-like title of this thread (which implies the game at least starts out being boring as if it were fact).
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I agree to an extent that he brought it on himself. But a lot of the more trollish comments he received were from people that have shown time and time again to be super fanboys that jump all over any criticism of the Wii, regardless of how it's phrased.

The ignore user feature is the only thing that makes this forum semi-readable, as so many of the regulars are the same type of losers that are in the local gamestop annoying the piss out of everyone seemingly everytime I pop my head in there (which is rare as I'd generally rather buy elsewhere and spare myself the torture).
 
[quote name='io']Yeah, I think they said something about a big fetch-quest near the end. Except for running around fetching all the pickups to get 100% I didn't find the game to have any (overwhelming) aspects of backtracking or fetching. There was, like, one slightly tricky energy cell and you only needed to get that for the 100%. And I enjoyed that aspect of the game (puzzle solving) more than the combat and boss fights, so I wish there had been much more of it.[/QUOTE]

Well, it may or may not be a fetch quest depending on whether or not you actually know what you're trying to do. If you put them in the right places you don't have to go off the beaten path at all since I'm pretty sure there are 5 or 6 along the way as you go through the game. For my part, I didn't realize how important the energy cells were, nor did I know that if you put them in the wrong place it makes the game a lot longer. I actually loaded 4 into slots that just gave me pickups without realizing how much of a hassle it is to get ALL of the cells. The nice thing, though, is that if you do end up getting all of the cells, you'll pretty much have all the pickups, too, since there are TONS on the way to the last few cells. I think my last cell was pickup #97 or something.
 
Okay so I just beat the game, my percentage complete was only 73%!! That is so lame. Im kinda embarassed as it took me 15.37 hours. I have a couple questions.

THe ending I got was this: I fought dark samus then some giant aurora with a spine and then just the head. Dark Samus' form blew up and then I turned back my original color as the corruption (bacteria) was wiped out. Then the planet blew up and most of the ships got through the wormhole our aura made but the aurora itself didnt make it. Then someone said, Where is samus? and finally she flew by giving a thumbs up saying "misison complete" on her spaceship's screen.
Was this your ending too or is there a special one(s?) for higher completion percentages?

I only have this game for my free trial on gamefly so I doubt I will try to play through 100%. Is it worth getting 100%. Also do the higher difficulties change anythign substantive in the game? Overall I would give it a 9.8 out of 10! I loved it!
 
There are extra scenes after that for getting 75% and 100%.

75%
She lands the ship, gets out and takes her helmet off and thinks off the three other hunters that were corrupted and that she had to kill--shows footage of them etc.

100%
She walks to her ship, takes the whole suit off, and gets on. It shows her fly away, then another ship appears and follows hers.

Higher difficulty just means it takes more shots to kill enemies and their shots do more damage to you. Know substantive changes. I don't even think the enemy AI is "smarter" as it is in games like Halo when you up the difficulty.
 
[quote name='io']As for the "religious fervor" I think you are being a tad hypocritical here. Whenever anyone refutes a Wii-basher on CAG they get tarred with this label. Yet the people who come in to troll against the Wii never fall into that category? Yeah, right... It is one thing to criticize the game on various levels like it is too easy, or doesn't have enough exploration, or you wish it were in HD, or it is too short, or whatever... But saying "The control is hideous, and it's just a completely generic FPS." puts you in the religious fervor camp - just on the other side of the fence... Not to mention the troll-like title of this thread (which implies the game at least starts out being boring as if it were fact). Note that there is plenty of criticism in the MAIN Metroid Prime 3 thread and no one got too excited about it there. I'm glad this is in a different thread though - the other is for specific in-game issues and shouldn't be cluttered up with all this stuff ;)[/QUOTE]

Well-said. There's such a thing as asking a question in good faith, and the issue goes far beyond this thread. I'll use the current bomb-du-jour (and game I'm on record as saying is underrated, in my opinion), Lair, for my example. What's the difference between a thread entitled "Lair: Steep Learning Curve For Controls?" and a thread going by "Lair: Does it Ever Stop Sucking Balls?" Each one asks for a different kind of response, in its own way.
 
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