MLB 2007 World Series and Offseason Thread

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well johan has in theory been traded to the mets for 4 rather no name prospects..

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=Ao0jBeGDqeLxM50IGdVxx1ARvLYF?slug=ap-mets-twins-santanatrade&prov=ap&type=lgns

it makes sense for the twins to not trade him in the same conferenece...it makes sense for the mets as they need a frontline starter...the only person who it doesn't make sense for is johan himself. I wonder if he will sign with them. The mets have a team with 2 young superstars, and a bunch of older players who are way past there prime. He really isn't going to much more of a contender then what he is leaving behind. The mets GM has shown repeatdly at making horrible decision may it be in his former position with the expo's or the current one with the mets.

If johan doesn't sign, the twins will have him for another year. They will compete in the central assuming no one gets hurts for the season. They will also look good if they lose johan for nothing next offseason as they tried to trade him for prospects.
 
[quote name='integralsmatic']if i had enough money..i still wouldnt hehe..although ill take ian snell and jason bay off your hands.well i would welcome back bay to the mets any day.[/quote]

Jason Bay is garbage..
 
[quote name='DJSteel']Jason Bay is garbage..[/QUOTE]

2004: 26 HRS 82 RBIs 282 AVG
2005: 32 HR 101 RBI 306 avg
2006: 35 HR 109 RBI 286 avg
2007: 21 HR 84 RBI 247 avg

So he has one off year and he is garbage? He put up those numbers will no help around him as well.
 
[quote name='DomLando']2004: 26 HRS 82 RBIs 282 AVG
2005: 32 HR 101 RBI 306 avg
2006: 35 HR 109 RBI 286 avg
2007: 21 HR 84 RBI 247 avg

So he has one off year and he is garbage? He put up those numbers will no help around him as well.[/quote]

yeah those numbers are definitley better than alou's or church's numbers...


anyway!

Santana is a almost a done deal! What great news after a slow off season.
 
[quote name='st0neface']Now that we have Johan, the question is: How will the Mets fuck this season up?[/quote]

well they avoided arbitration with Jorge Sosa...so that could be a start.=(

im not a fan of his ass at all. I was happy with the signing of Wise...seeing as he would phase out Blowenweiss or Sosa..and give Padilla a chance.

well word has it the mets arent done here with Santana...they are still after Kyle Lohse. I wouldnt mind him at 5 to shift El Duque to the bullpen and give the bullpen even more stregnth there.

and to that..i hope no more car accidents and pedro pitches healthy

That is all.
 
[quote name='DomLando']Well Sosa was good out of the bullpen last year.[/QUOTE]
I guess I have a bad memory....because I thought he was mediocre besides that nasty 7 game run where he went 6-1 before going back to the pen. - just want to have it where our bullpen can get back to dominance like it was 2 years ago.
 
[quote name='integralsmatic']
and to that..i hope no more car accidents and pedro pitches healthy

That is all.[/quote]


that is a big if
 
[quote name='DomLando']2004: 26 HRS 82 RBIs 282 AVG
2005: 32 HR 101 RBI 306 avg
2006: 35 HR 109 RBI 286 avg
2007: 21 HR 84 RBI 247 avg

So he has one off year and he is garbage? He put up those numbers will no help around him as well.[/quote]

He isn't a clutch player.. much like Brian Giles, he gets his stats during garbage time
 
[quote name='ryanbph']that is a big if[/quote]

yeah unfortunatley i agree with that too.....i still hope that Minaya signs another starter...but i think Lohse,colon, and hernandez are the ones the mets are interested in...and i dont have much faith in all 3 of them.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']Sean Casey is a solid signing for the bench. Very solid.[/quote]

Sean Casey is a decent signing..
 
decent??...he is roughly a .300 hitter as a fulltime player...little to no power...but he is only going to play 1b when either youkillis or lowell sit (youk would play 3b) If you look at youks numbers last year...he was fucking horrible from june to sept...then he took a week or 2 off before the playoffs, and hit very well in the playoffs...looks like he doesn't have the endurance to play a full season and needs more time off....having an above avg contact hitter will allow for the redsox to sub youk out more, and not have to change the batting lineup as casey has put up similiar seasonal numbers to what youk has. Youk does have a little more power, but youk should never be batting 3 - 5 in the lineup with any regularity.

Add to the fact there is a good chance that we are keeping cocco. We will have 2 solid players on the bench...Not sure how happy cocco will be ...but with the weekly manny days off, ellsbury and drew sitting vs lefties, and the eventual injury he should get a ton of ab for a bench player. Yahoo sports is saying they are keeping kielty so maybe they will move cocco....yesterday redsox websites mailbag seemed to imply that they were going to keep cocco. Today yahoo is saying they are signing kielty and would most likely move cocco...personally i think kielty is a big dropoff from crisp.
 
[quote name='DJSteel']He isn't a clutch player.. much like Brian Giles, he gets his stats during garbage time[/QUOTE]
Well he is on the Pirates and does have to play a lot of so called "garbage time." But I still don't understand how you can call him garbage. He is the Pirates best hitter and most teams would gladly take him off the Pirates hands.
 
[quote name='DomLando']Well he is on the Pirates and does have to play a lot of so called "garbage time." But I still don't understand how you can call him garbage. He is the Pirates best hitter and most teams would gladly take him off the Pirates hands.[/quote]
i live in Pittsburgh.. i've seen Jason Bay play.. he is a mediocre outfielder who like the team has 1-2 good months then goes into the tank after that.


i used to go to about 20 - 25 games a season.. since 2003 I've bought 0 tickets...I love baseball but I can't stand to see what is happening to this team since Bonds left.. it's partial the owner's fault for not spending the cash on the team, but it's also MLB's fault for not implementing a salary cap when it needs it so desperately.
 
[quote name='DJSteel']i live in Pittsburgh.. i've seen Jason Bay play.. he is a mediocre outfielder who like the team has 1-2 good months then goes into the tank after that.


i used to go to about 20 - 25 games a season.. since 2003 I've bought 0 tickets...I love baseball but I can't stand to see what is happening to this team since Bonds left.. it's partial the owner's fault for not spending the cash on the team, but it's also MLB's fault for not implementing a salary cap when it needs it so desperately.[/QUOTE]
With the number he has put up thats more than 1-2 good months. Those numbers are better than mediocre.
 
[quote name='Monsta Mack']Reports on ESPN.com are saying Schilling may need surgery on his shoulder, and now Boston wants to null and void his one year signing. Ouch.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3235556[/QUOTE]
Its Schilling's loss, I feel bad for him. The Sox can more than live without him though, with both Buchholz and Lester ready to step into the rotation full time.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']Its Schilling's loss, I feel bad for him. The Sox can more than live without him though, with both Buchholz and Lester ready to step into the rotation full time.[/quote]

yes and no...you can't reasonably expect both of them to be solid players just yet...and throw in the fact that wakefield may or may not be ready to start the season either, that would leave the sox with 4 starting pitchers, with 2 of them being young inexperianced pitchers. Personally if lester and buckholtz both started the year in the rotation, I would expect one of them to win 13 - 15 and the other to win 10 - 12. I would also expect a lot of 5 - 6inn games between the 2 of them, which would kill the bullpen. The sox need an inning eater if schilling can't pitch. Between the inconsistent dice k (i assume he will be better, but there is no guarantee) and 2 rookies they need someone besides beckett that will give you 6 - 7 quality inn every 5th day. That is something I was hoping schilling would give us.
 
[quote name='ryanbph']yes and no...you can't reasonably expect both of them to be solid players just yet...and throw in the fact that wakefield may or may not be ready to start the season either, that would leave the sox with 4 starting pitchers, with 2 of them being young inexperianced pitchers. Personally if lester and buckholtz both started the year in the rotation, I would expect one of them to win 13 - 15 and the other to win 10 - 12. I would also expect a lot of 5 - 6inn games between the 2 of them, which would kill the bullpen. The sox need an inning eater if schilling can't pitch. Between the inconsistent dice k (i assume he will be better, but there is no guarantee) and 2 rookies they need someone besides beckett that will give you 6 - 7 quality inn every 5th day. That is something I was hoping schilling would give us.[/QUOTE]
Schilling was going to be a 6 inning pitcher anyway under the best of circumstances.

I'm not worried about Lester since he was supposed to be in the rotation going into last year anyway. Buchholz will have his ups and downs but I'll take it as a 5th starter. Plus, you have Tavarez as insurance anyway. Beckett, Matsuzaka, Wakefield, Lester, Buchholz ain't bad. Considering that only Wakefield is over 30, I like it a lot.
 
there is no guarantee that wakefield will be ready any time soon. There has been no word on his status. At the time he was taken off the active roster during the world series, there was some speculation that he wouldn't be back untill mid june.
 
I just wanted to say the new Devil Rays logo sucks.
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Are they changing their uniforms to blue?
 
[quote name='ryanbph']there is no guarantee that wakefield will be ready any time soon. There has been no word on his status. At the time he was taken off the active roster during the world series, there was some speculation that he wouldn't be back untill mid june.[/QUOTE]
Tavarez and Kyle Snyder can fill in for a while, both are perfectly capable of being a 5th starter. If we're looking at a long term situation with Wakefield, I'd go out and get another veteran, though. There are still a number of OK starters on the free agent market that didn't get the big score they were looking for, and you can trade Coco for a pitcher, too.
 
personally I would love to dump tavarez....the fact that he wasn't on the world series (and maybe even the playoff roster, I don't remeber) says a lot about the sox belief in him as a pitcher. He must have done something to piss somebody off.

I would be ok with snyder, but that leaves a gapping long pitcher hole in the pen. If neither schilling or wakefield will be ready anytime before june, I would like to see them sign bartolo colon, or livian hernedez (is he a free agent, I thought I had heard his name tossed around at the begining of the offseason) Colon has a lot of upside with most likely a small investment. Livan is a workhorse that will pitch a shitload of inn.
 
[quote name='ryanbph']personally I would love to dump tavarez....the fact that he wasn't on the world series (and maybe even the playoff roster, I don't remeber) says a lot about the sox belief in him as a pitcher. He must have done something to piss somebody off.

I would be ok with snyder, but that leaves a gapping long pitcher hole in the pen. If neither schilling or wakefield will be ready anytime before june, I would like to see them sign bartolo colon, or livian hernedez (is he a free agent, I thought I had heard his name tossed around at the begining of the offseason) Colon has a lot of upside with most likely a small investment. Livan is a workhorse that will pitch a shitload of inn.[/QUOTE]

boston would actually be the perfect team for livan hernandez. as you mentioned, he eats up those innings, but also boston has the offense that could make up for the 4-5 era and give him a lot of wins.
 
looks like schilling wasn't insured and the redsox will be on the hook for the full contract even if he doesn't pitch this season...
 
[quote name='ryanbph']looks like schilling wasn't insured and the redsox will be on the hook for the full contract even if he doesn't pitch this season...[/QUOTE]
Good thing they got those incentives, its only 8 million base. They were very wise not to give him that extension in spring training last year.
 
it pisses me off that there are teams out there that can afford an 8 mil hit when there are teams where that money would be around 1/4 their team salary...
 
[quote name='DJSteel']it pisses me off that there are teams out there that can afford an 8 mil hit when there are teams where that money would be around 1/4 their team salary...[/quote]


the funny thing is, that the minn twins are usually just a tad ahead of that category of teams where that will make up the majority of the teams salary.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']Schilling was going to be a 6 inning pitcher anyway under the best of circumstances.

I'm not worried about Lester since he was supposed to be in the rotation going into last year anyway. Buchholz will have his ups and downs but I'll take it as a 5th starter. Plus, you have Tavarez as insurance anyway. Beckett, Matsuzaka, Wakefield, Lester, Buchholz ain't bad. Considering that only Wakefield is over 30, I like it a lot.[/quote]

The Red Sox won't allow Buchholz to throw more than 175 innings this year. They are going to need to find innings somewhere.

Whether it be Devern Hansack, David Pauley, Kyle Snyder, or a Free Agent/Trade
 
[quote name='monkeydeew']roger clemens*[/quote]

I guess any homers that Bonds hit off of Clemens should count. After all it was an even matchup. Roids vs. Roids!

I wish I could get hyped about the upcoming season but the Cubs haven't done squat! They may be holding off with the pending sale of the club. It made me sick to read an article that the Cubs are considering selling the naming rights for Wrigley Field.
 
[quote name='Chitown021']I guess any homers that Bonds hit off of Clemens should count. After all it was an even matchup. Roids vs. Roids![/quote]

obviously.

did slammin sammy ever go deep on clemens?
 
[quote name='monkeydeew']obviously.

did slammin sammy ever go deep on clemens?[/quote]

Yep, he hit his first ML HR off of him as a rookie with the White Sox. There's another even matchup although I don't think Sosa hit the roids until the mid 90's.
 
[quote name='ryanbph']the funny thing is, that the minn twins are usually just a tad ahead of that category of teams where that will make up the majority of the teams salary.[/quote]

what is that supposed to mean?? it's not like their division is chalk full of big spenders...

the big thing you can see with spending in the major leagues is that if you can afford the talent you can win..
 
that isn't always the case. Take a look at the NY Mets last year....they were a top 3 team in spending and didn't even make the playoffs. The cubs had a high payroll going into last season as well, and that was before the resining of zambrano. The are a fair amount of teams that don't win that have above avg payrolls.

You can also look at the A's as a team that does a lot with a small payroll. The marlins have won 2 world series in the past 10 years and both times dumped there teams and completely restocked on talent.

Yes the Redsox do spend a shitload of money, but in the past 7 years, they have only won 2 world series. There are 5 other teams who's payrolls are huge that have won. It isn't like the teams with small payrolls can't win. Sometimes they chose not to really compete. Look at the royals over the past decade or so. They are a very profitable team. Not only are they making money on the low ticket sales/concessions. They also pull in a fair amount from the revenue sharing. Up untill recently they haven't even really tried to compete. The same could be said about a lot of teams over the past decade. Some are trying to compete, and some still don't give a shit.

As for my comment about it being funny, the twin historically develop young talent and then let them walk/trade them. They have a rather low payroll, and the fact they dropped that much money on a decent, but far from great pitcher going into the back end of his career. I would have loved for livan to sign with the redsox for that money to be a 5th starter, but to be a front of the line starter on a team with a small payroll is a little surprising.
 
The difference between the Sox and most of the other big spenders is that they develop a lot of talent through their minor league system. They don't win the WS without Papelbon, Ellsbury, Youkilis, Pedroia, Lester, Buchholz, and Delcarmen. Almost 1/3rd of their roster are younger guys they developed making (relatively) short money.

The extra money got them Julio Lugo and J.D. Drew last year, two guys I wouldn't mind seeing go away.
 
i don't disagree with some teams being able to compete with a smaller salary..but eventually their tactics will catch up with them..
 
I think drew will have a good season this year. His child had some serious medical issues for the majority of the season. IIRC, it was life or death for a little while. His avg and numbers dropped a lot from the moment that issue popped up. It was resolved in late aug, and his sept numbers were solid.

As for lugo, he is just taking up a roster spot untill they feel lowrie is ready. I hope lowrie is a solid ss at the mlb level. I still can't help but think if the sox had kept hanley ramirez, what the double play combo of him and pedroia would have been like. They would have probably batted 1 - 2 in the order as well.
 
[quote name='ryanbph']I think drew will have a good season this year. His child had some serious medical issues for the majority of the season. IIRC, it was life or death for a little while. His avg and numbers dropped a lot from the moment that issue popped up. It was resolved in late aug, and his sept numbers were solid.

As for lugo, he is just taking up a roster spot untill they feel lowrie is ready. I hope lowrie is a solid ss at the mlb level. I still can't help but think if the sox had kept hanley ramirez, what the double play combo of him and pedroia would have been like. They would have probably batted 1 - 2 in the order as well.[/QUOTE]
I wonder about Hanley Ramirez myself, but Beckett was worth what they paid. I'm not sure Lowrie projects as a major league SS, more likely a 2B. Best you can hope for from him is average defense at SS anyway, his range isn't great.

I expect Drew will do better, but I like having power at the corner positions. Youkilis is already at 1st with the OBP and walks, now they've got a similar type of guy in right. I'm sure I'll be satisfied with Drew if he puts up his typical numbers, though.
 
It matter more how you spend your money rather than how much you spend. Salaries skyrocket because teams are paying for past performance rather than projected performance. Take Santana's deal for $20+ million/year. Yes, he is the best pitcher in the majors right now probably for the next 2 seasons. But after that, is he really worth it? The Mets will be paying huge dollars for his decline years just like they did with Pedro. The Red Sox have both the big budget and also the discipline not to overpay (too much) for players. They were smart to take the hardline on Mike Lowell, rather than succumbing to the WS euphoria as he will more likely than not never match last season's production. They did the right thing and traded away Nomar when he was asking for too much money in a contract extension, despite the fact he was the most popular player on the team. In contrast, you have the Angels who in back-to-back years have way overpaid for overrated center fielders (Gary Matthews Jr. for $11 million a year? Torii Hunter for $18 million? are you kidding?) which will greatly hamper their ability to compete year after year. It's far better to make the mistake of underestimating a player's longevity rather than overrating it.
 
[quote name='dopa345']It matter more how you spend your money rather than how much you spend. Salaries skyrocket because teams are paying for past performance rather than projected performance. Take Santana's deal for $20+ million/year. Yes, he is the best pitcher in the majors right now probably for the next 2 seasons. But after that, is he really worth it? The Mets will be paying huge dollars for his decline years just like they did with Pedro. The Red Sox have both the big budget and also the discipline not to overpay (too much) for players. They were smart to take the hardline on Mike Lowell, rather than succumbing to the WS euphoria as he will more likely than not never match last season's production. They did the right thing and traded away Nomar when he was asking for too much money in a contract extension, despite the fact he was the most popular player on the team. In contrast, you have the Angels who in back-to-back years have way overpaid for overrated center fielders (Gary Matthews Jr. for $11 million a year? Torii Hunter for $18 million? are you kidding?) which will greatly hamper their ability to compete year after year. It's far better to make the mistake of underestimating a player's longevity rather than overrating it.[/quote]

it's not about being a smart spender.. I mean, you definitely have to stay away from the salary sponges.. but you still have to spend to get to the playoffs..

the only division that is good from a fan's perspective is the AL Central because everyone pretty much spends the same amount..which translates into a competitive division..
 
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