MLB 2010 Discussion Thread

The All-Star Lineups are out and there are some high points and some low points.

High Points
-Good to see Jason Heyward starting.
-Arthur Rhoades making the team.
-Strasburg not making team. You gotta earn it. Six starts or whatever ain't gonna cut it yet.
-Good to see Elvis Andrus and Neftali Feliz on the team. As well as Trevor Cahill.

Low Points
-Who is Evan Meek?
-Joey Votto not being on the team. Ryan Howard being on the team.
-Ryan Zimmerman should be the Nat's All-Star
-Matt Thornton while having a good season should not be the ChiSox all-star over Konerko
-Why on Earth is A-Rod on the team when a better third baseman (Mike Young) is left off? Baffles my mind.
-Latos of the Padres should be on the team.

fuck Girardi for being a homer with A-Rod. Mike Young should be reserve and probably should be the starter.
 
I hate to tell you but Arod has just as many homeruns and more RBI's than Longoria who is starting.

You want Michael Young on the All Star Team, go out and win the ALCS. That way, Ron Washington can make the roster. You really think Girardi is going to leave off one of his best players to make Michael Young happy? Get real. Arod has more Homers, More RBI's, a higher OPS Plus compared to Michael Young.


Should I mention that Michael Young like most of the Rangers is a product of their ballpark?
 
[quote name='wildcpac']I hate to tell you but Arod has just as many homeruns and more RBI's than Longoria who is starting.

You want Michael Young on the All Star Team, go out and win the ALCS. That way, Ron Washington can make the roster. You really think Girardi is going to leave off one of his best players to make Michael Young happy? Get real. Arod has more Homers, More RBI's, a higher OPS Plus compared to Michael Young.


Should I mention that Michael Young like most of the Rangers is a product of their ballpark?[/QUOTE]

Mike Young isn't a home run hitter. He's a singles and doubles hitter. The ballpark doesn't help with singles and doubles. LOLOLOLOL. Also, Mike Young has won two All-Star games.

A-Rod's Batting Average = .278
Mike Young's Batting Average = .310

A-Rod's Slugging = .489
Mike Young's Slugging = ..493

A-Rod's On Base = .351
Mike Young's On Base = .356

A-Rod does have more homers (by 1) and RBIs (by 11) so its pretty close there. A-Rod also has 78 hits while Young has 104 and is top 5 in the league. You want a clutch a hit, you go with Young. Young also has more Runs (55 to 43), doubles (24 to 20), A-Rod does have more walks and a higher .OPS, but Young clearly has the better numbers. And if you look at ballpark stats, the Rangers have been in the middle of the pack the past few season.

All these stats are before the games today. Manager and Fan voting should be done away with.
 
You want to complain about the system, complain about how each team has to have a representative. ARod is a legit all star this year and Girardi isn't going to piss off one of his best players on his team to make Michael Young happy. You want to see more Rangers on the team, go out and win the ALCS that way Washington can choose.


Ty Wiggington in no shape or form is an All Star or deserves to be anywhere close to Anaheim for the game.

Fausto Carmona is an All Star this year. You do not see me bitching about Andy Pettitte who is having a much better season got left off.
 
[quote name='Feeding the Abscess']wild, are you the scorekeeper for the Yanks? I'm trying to figure out how Gardner was credited with an inside the park HR. lol[/QUOTE]


Yup, you got it. Which is also why I gave ARod a 3 run double yesterday as well. I cant give errors to people on defense when the sun is in their eyes and they cannot see. If it happened to Gardner or Granderson, it would have been an error. That way the starting pitcher doesn't get earned runs attached to him.
 
[quote name='GhostShark']The All-Star Lineups are out and there are some high points and some low points.

High Points
-Good to see Jason Heyward starting.
-Arthur Rhoades making the team.
-Strasburg not making team. You gotta earn it. Six starts or whatever ain't gonna cut it yet.
-Good to see Elvis Andrus and Neftali Feliz on the team. As well as Trevor Cahill.

Low Points
-Who is Evan Meek?
-Joey Votto not being on the team. Ryan Howard being on the team.
-Ryan Zimmerman should be the Nat's All-Star
-Matt Thornton while having a good season should not be the ChiSox all-star over Konerko
-Why on Earth is A-Rod on the team when a better third baseman (Mike Young) is left off? Baffles my mind.
-Latos of the Padres should be on the team.

fuck Girardi for being a homer with A-Rod. Mike Young should be reserve and probably should be the starter.[/QUOTE]

You forgot the biggest low point. How the fuck did Omar Infante end up on the NL all star team? Seriously, I would love to know what the hell Manuel was thinking when he made that decision. If he needed an extra utility man, I could come up with a few who deserves it more than Infante.


Also picking Howard over Votto was another dumb decision. Votto has better stats in every single catagory over Howard except in RBIs.
 
[quote name='TheRock88']You forgot the biggest low point. How the fuck did Omar Infante end up on the NL all star team? Seriously, I would love to know what the hell Manuel was thinking when he made that decision. If he needed an extra utility man, I could come up with a few who deserves it more than Infante.


Also picking Howard over Votto was another dumb decision. Votto has better stats in every single catagory over Howard except in RBIs.[/QUOTE]

I did indeed leave Infante off the low points. That guy hasn't even played 50 games.
 
Bucholz is going to miss his next start in Tampa and is likely to become the Sox 9th player on the DL.

It's amazing that the Sox are 1 game out of having the best record in Baseball while fielding the Mash Unit.

It is going to have to take it's toll at some point though.
 
[quote name='GhostShark']-Why on Earth is A-Rod on the team when a better third baseman (Mike Young) is left off? Baffles my mind.

fuck Girardi for being a homer with A-Rod. Mike Young should be reserve and probably should be the starter.[/QUOTE]

Beyond silly. Young and A-Rod have almost the exact, same numbers except for average. It's a simple toss-up, and Girardi went with his own player, something managers always do...and often times in much more extreme cases. You're acting like Young's numbers blow away A-Rod's. They don't. Find something else to rant about, like a guy who doesn't even qualify for the batting race making the All-Star team.
 
[quote name='bigdaddybruce44']Beyond silly. Young and A-Rod have almost the exact, same numbers except for average. It's a simple toss-up, and Girardi went with his own player, something managers always do...and often times in much more extreme cases. You're acting like Young's numbers blow away A-Rod's. They don't. Find something else to rant about, like a guy who doesn't even qualify for the batting race making the All-Star team.[/QUOTE]

Over .30 points in Batting average and nearly 40 hits more is pretty much blowing a guy out of the water in stats, but I digress, they are pretty much similar in pretty much everything else. Which is a good or bad thing depending on how you view it. A-Rod has had 40 and 50+ homer season and he is on pace for 25 homers, if that. They're two different hitters and yes I am biased towards Mike Young. I wouldn't be a Rangers fan if I wasn't.

My main gripe is with the actual All-Star selection. There was an article on ESPN a few days ago with ways to change the all-star game and I really wish the MLB looks it and takes some of the ideas into consideration. The biggest thing would be setting a committee of people to select the team and no fan voting. Though the fans did a decent job of selecting player this year.
 
The only thing baseball should do is eliminate the every team gets a player bs rule. Fausto Carmona and Ty Wiggington are not all stars. You should be pissed about that. Jared Weaver and Felix Hernandez got left off the roster. I cannot comment on the NL because I haven't paid attention to the full roster.

Joe Girardi isn't going to leave off a HOFer who is having just as good of a season as Evan Longoria who is starting. Girardi isn't going to piss off Arod by leaving him off. Girardi isn't going to put himself in a situation where he has to answer that question from 100 different people for hours. He isn't going to do it to make Michael Young happy. ARod in a serious down year is having just of good of a season as anybody from 3rd base and is 5th in the league in RBI's.

Plus Young is still open for being voted in by the fans.
 
[quote name='GhostShark']
-Why on Earth is A-Rod on the team when a better third baseman (Mike Young) is left off? Baffles my mind.
[/QUOTE]

I agree Young should have made the team, but you don't actually think Michael Young is a better player, do you? Or did you mean better defensive third baseman?

I hate A-Rod as much as anyone, but he's one of the best players alive - if he has decent stats he's making it every year, that's just how it goes.
 
It's disgraceful that Votto didn't make it. Konerko should have made it instead of Ortiz, carry 3 firstbasemen and 1 DH....it makes no difference. How Alex Rios gets left off while he has 13 hr's, 22 steals and a +.300 average is beyond me. I didnt know players who are on pace for essentially a 30 homer 40 steal season while maintaining a good batting average are not considered all star worthy. Having a representative from every team is retarded, the Orioles, Indians, and A's dont deserve one unless you want to put Kurt Suzuki in over John Buck which I would be fine with. Jered Weaver getting left off when he leads the AL in strikeouts, has a sub 3.00 ERA is another head scratcher. Carmona has no business on the team and Cahill is having a nice year but Weaver, and Felix are more deserving. Jose Bautista might have a ton of homeruns but he still sucks, I wish they would replace him with Rios. Infante is probably the least deserving all star of all time. McCutchen should be the Pirates representative because he actually deserves it, fuck Evan Meek. Carlos Gonzalez, Matt Latos are huge snubs as well. These rosters are so screwed up I feel like I could bitch for 4 days. The whole process is screwed, mainly due to the retarded rule that each team needs a rep., and managers who are overly biased towards there players.
 
I'll give my unbiased opinion on what the rosters should have looked like:

American League

Catcher- 1) Joe Mauer 2) Victor Martinez(Injured) 3) John Buck, Kurt Suzuki

First Base- 1) Miguel Cabrera 2) Justin Morneau 3) Paul Konerko

Second Base- 1) Robinson Cano 2) Dustin Pedroia(Injured) 3) Howie Kendrick

Shortstop- 1a) Jeter 1b) Andrus I don't really have a preference who starts....

Third Base- 1) Beltre 2) Longoria 3) Young or A-Rod...This whole group is really tight, bound to be a snub.

Outfield- Starters- Crawford, Rios, Hamilton. Reserves- Ichiro, Hunter, Wells...If Nelson Cruz didn't miss so much time he would be having a monster year. Shin So-Choo would have been a solid choice as well but now is injured. Brett Gardner is having a great year but I can't justify him over those on the list.

DH-Vlad

Pitching- Cliff Lee, David Price, Jered Weaver, Jon Lester, Clay Buckholz, Felix Hernandez, CC fatbathia, Petite, Valverde, Soria, Rivera, Feliz, Daniel Bard. Starters who just missed- Francisco Liriano, Jeff Neiman, Phil Hughes, Trevor Cahill, Ricky Romero, Verlander. Releivers who just missed Matt Thornton, JJ putz, Jason Berken, Andrew Bailey...probably many many more I don't feel like looking anything up.
 
National League

Catcher- 1)Miguel Olivo 2) Brian McCann or Yadier Molina(depends if you prefer offense or defense)

First Base-1) Pujols 2) Votto 3) Adrian Gonzalez

Second Base-1) Brandon Phillips 2) Martin Prado

Shortstop- 1) Hanley Ramirez 2) Troy Tulo(Injured) 3) Jose Reyes

Third Base- 1) David Wright 2) Rolen 3)Zimmerman

Outfield- Starters- Ryan Braun, Carlos Gonzalez, Andre Ethier Reserves- Corey Hart, Jason Heyward, McCutchen, Chris Young, Angel Pagan. Marlon Byrd started off hot but has done little as of lately, Matt Holliday is a big name and other for one awesome week has not lived up to his contract, Matt Kemp has the ability to be an all star every year, it's unfortanete he doesn't care.

Pitchers- Josh Johnson, Ubaldo Jimenez, Adam Wainright, Roy Halladay, Yovoni Gallardo(injured), Matt Latos, Matt Cain, and Tim Hudson, Heath Bell, Brian Wilson, Jon Broxton, Arthur Rhodes, Carlos Marmol. Just missed- Jaime Garcia, Clayton Kershaw, Chris Carpenter, Tim Lincecum, Strasburg, Clayton Richard, Matt Capps, Leo Nunez, Evan Meek, Billy Wagner...probably some more I just dont feel like looking it up, Evan Meeks numbers were suprisingly dominant, I shouldn't have ragged him earlier.
 
[quote name='SLeeK719']
First Base- 1) Miguel Cabrera 2) Justin Morneau 3) Paul Konerko
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Konerko over Youkilis? I suppose it's pretty much semantic since the other two guys deserve it more, but to my eye Youks is having the better season on a better team, of which he's the offensive centerpiece. He's got a nice round OPS of 1 and is third in the league in OBP behind (who else?) Cabrera and Morneau. :D

It's really an amazing year for AL first basemen, I'd agree one of those guys should have been in over Ortiz.
 
Didn't even think of Youk.....I would still vote Konerko because he's having his best season in years and it will prob be his last chance where Youk has many all stars ahead of him...I would like to see them both make it, just remove one of the starting pitchers.

Hard to argue one over the over

Konerko- .297 20 57

Youk- .299 17 54
 
Youk has a higher SLG and OBP, though the difference isn't huge.

Given the fact that Pedroia, Martinez and Buchholz are all going to miss the game, I'm hoping Youkilis gets one of those spots, even if he doesn't win the final man voting. Though given the way the Red Sox are piling up injuries (I read somewhere they've got a shot at some sort of injury record if things continue), I actually wouldn't mind if Lester and Ortiz took a pass as well.
 
[quote name='SLeeK719']Didn't even think of Youk.....I would still vote Konerko because he's having his best season in years and it will prob be his last chance where Youk has many all stars ahead of him...I would like to see them both make it, just remove one of the starting pitchers.

Hard to argue one over the over

Konerko- .297 20 57

Youk- .299 17 54[/QUOTE]I go for Konerko, but I'm a White Sox fan (and an Orioles fan to an extent).
 
Sleek makes some great arguments. I can make an argument that Posada and his 133 OPS Plus which is the highest among catchers in the AL should have been #2 or #3. It just comes down to the stupid every team must have a player rule. Which is archaic and beyond stupid. How many extra Orioles fans are going to tune in for Ty Wiggington that wouldn't watch the game if their team wasn't represented? A couple of thousand? And thats only for the player introduction and at the end of the game to see if he got put in as a defensive replacement in the 9th inning. Omar Infante making it is a flat out joke.
 
DBacks have DFA'ed Dontrelle Willis. Wow this guy has fallen big time in the last 5 years. Definitely one of the top pitchers in baseball in 2003 and 2005. Who would have thought back than that he would lose it all?
 
[quote name='bvharris']I agree Young should have made the team, but you don't actually think Michael Young is a better player, do you? Or did you mean better defensive third baseman?

I hate A-Rod as much as anyone, but he's one of the best players alive - if he has decent stats he's making it every year, that's just how it goes.[/QUOTE]

He might not be better, but he is a more consistent hitter than A-Rod. Young hasn't been in the steroid limelight at all so there is that going against A-Rod, but it's hard to compete against nearly 600 homers.
 
[quote name='wildcpac']DBacks have DFA'ed Dontrelle Willis. Wow this guy has fallen big time in the last 5 years. Definitely one of the top pitchers in baseball in 2003 and 2005. Who would have thought back than that he would lose it all?[/QUOTE]
They moved him to the bullpen and he came out walking batters and sucking it up, it was the right decision.
 
[quote name='GhostShark']He might not be better, but he is a more consistent hitter than A-Rod. Young hasn't been in the steroid limelight at all so there is that going against A-Rod, but it's hard to compete against nearly 600 homers.[/QUOTE]


Arod got in because he is Joe's boy and Arod is having just as good of a season as Longoria. That is a fact. Joe isn't going to piss off one of his star players to make Michael Young happy. You are acting like Arod is hitting .250 with 6 hr's and 30 RBI's.


And I hate to tell you, but Michael Young like Kinsler are products of their ballpark. OPS and Slugging drop like a rock outside of Texas.
 
I read, on SI.com I think, that Infante and Wigginton got in because the managers were told to have utility guys on the team. I still think that Votto should have gotten in ahead of Ryan Howard, but at least the managers are rewarding quality non-closing bullpen guys (Rhodes, Meek, Thornton).

I think the AL fan vote should go to Konerko, but I'm biased cause he's on my fantasy team. If not him than Michael Young.

In the NL, no question it's got to be Votto. Capps over Wagner is a bit questionable in my opinion but then again Wagner irks me, so I'm not too bothered by his exclusion
 
[quote name='KasterDB']I read, on SI.com I think, that Infante and Wigginton got in because the managers were told to have utility guys on the team. I still think that Votto should have gotten in ahead of Ryan Howard, but at least the managers are rewarding quality non-closing bullpen guys (Rhodes, Meek, Thornton).

I think the AL fan vote should go to Konerko, but I'm biased cause he's on my fantasy team. If not him than Michael Young.

In the NL, no question it's got to be Votto. Capps over Wagner is a bit questionable in my opinion but then again Wagner irks me, so I'm not too bothered by his exclusion[/QUOTE]


Wiggington got on because the Orioles needed a rep and the only other player who could have made a case for was Nick Markakis. Even then Nick isn't anywhere close to the rest of the outfielders in the AL in terms of overall production.
 
Don't remind me about the lack of production from the starting RF on my fantasy team, lol.

I agree, Wigginton was the best Baltimore option, it's just tough that he gets on while Konerko, Young, and Youkilis get left by the wayside.
 
Good ol' reverse jinx on Markakis!

Did you guys see the story about the fan who fell from the second deck trying to get a foul ball at the Rangers game? Crazy stuff
 
[quote name='KasterDB']Good ol' reverse jinx on Markakis!

Did you guys see the story about the fan who fell from the second deck trying to get a foul ball at the Rangers game? Crazy stuff[/QUOTE]


is he ok?
 
[quote name='wildcpac']is he ok?[/QUOTE]

All I've heard so far is that he was taken off on a stretcher. 4 other people were hurt in the incident but were treated at the ballpark for minor injuries, nothing major.
 
Did anybody watch the Rockies/Cardinals game? Cards had a 9-2 lead at one point. Rockies trailed 9-3 in the bottom of the 9th and scored 9 runs including a 3 run walkoff homerun.
 
Braves beat the Phillies 7-5 to take 2 our of 3 on the road. Mets lose, so Braves are 3 games up.

Also won their 50th game--who'd have though they'd have 50 wins before the all star break after the crappy start they got off to?
 
[quote name='craven_fiend']Garza came into close against the Red Sox. Here's hoping they shell him like Monday.[/QUOTE]

I love that they took out Choate after one better to put Garza in. Smart move though, to give Soriano rest
 
[quote name='KasterDB']I love that they took out Choate after one better to put Garza in. Smart move though, to give Soriano rest[/QUOTE]

It's smarter if Garza gets out of it, hopefully not. A gimp Youk is on deck. Hopefully he gets a chance to get an at bat.
 
[quote name='wildcpac']Who would have thought that Philadelphia would be 43-40 and 6 games out?[/QUOTE]

Maybe they're saving up for an '07-esque run. :D I kid. Honestly though, I have no idea what's happening. After Halladay, the rotation has been inconsistent and the bullpen as a whole has been shaky. Plus they had that extended team-wide slump from mid-May to late June that they're still exhibiting from time to time.

craven_fiend, I just meant it was smart to not put Soriano in there. Not sure why he put Garza in, I guess they won't need him to start before the break?
 
[quote name='KasterDB']craven_fiend, I just meant it was smart to not put Soriano in there. Not sure why he put Garza in, I guess they won't need him to start before the break?[/QUOTE]

I figured as much, changed it to smarter. It was a good move by Maddon and paid off. Garza probably done until after All Star break. I just hate what has happened to Wake against the Rays. But his age and their maturity have had huge impacts on that. Here's hoping his 2nd half is insanely good. Either way, 11 guys on the DL sucks. But then again, supposed to be a bridge year.

Atleast the Reds are doing well.
 
It's pretty amazing that they have this many people on the DL and are still in contention. It speaks volumes about the depth of the farm system and the managerial tact of the coaching staff. It's kind of ironic that two powerhouse teams (Phillies and Red Sox) have had similar issues this year that have put them to third in their division, but both teams have so much talent that a second half run is certainly within reason.
 
[quote name='KasterDB']It's pretty amazing that they have this many people on the DL and are still in contention. It speaks volumes about the depth of the farm system and the managerial tact of the coaching staff. It's kind of ironic that two powerhouse teams (Phillies and Red Sox) have had similar issues this year that have put them to third in their division, but both teams have so much talent that a second half run is certainly within reason.[/QUOTE]

I know Chase Utley is out, but comparing the Phillies (or anyone's) injury woes to the Red Sox is pretty pointless.

At this point if the Red Sox put together a team made of just players on the DL, that team would finish no worse than second in most divisions in baseball. That is not an exaggeration.
 
Rangers beat the CleveLOL Indians again, but the 1B ump made one of the worst calls in history. He tossed Manny Acta in the 9th for TAKING HIS HAT OFF. Yes, you heard right. He got tossed for taking his hat off in the dugout after a bad call.

As for the guy who fell in yesterday's Indians-Rangers game. He is stable and ok sustaining a minor skull and ankle fracture. He'll be ok. Great to hear, too.
 
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