MLB 2010 Discussion Thread

[quote name='JStryke']Not that it mattered. Game's most likely over at this point anyway.[/QUOTE]

Very true. I don't foresee the Giants making a come back...until I see Lidge.
 
[quote name='craven_fiend']Very true. I don't foresee the Giants making a come back...until I see Lidge.[/QUOTE]

Everyone knows scoring runs is gay.

Also, very funny that Game 3 is at 1 PM on the West Coast.

Not like people have to work or anything.

God forbid Philly gets a 1 PM start during a fuckin' weekday.
 
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Well this game gives me hope for the Phillies' bats. I was getting very worried they wouldn't be able to hit anything when they needed to, but tonight they did just that. The rest of this series is going to be fantastic.
 
[quote name='ph33r m3']Everyone knows scoring runs is gay.

Also, very funny that Game 3 is at 1 PM on the West Coast.

Not like people have to work or anything.

God forbid Philly gets a 1 PM start during a fuckin' weekday.[/QUOTE]

I agree. Granted, the east coast won't have a 1PM game with only two games going on right now, but I don't see why they couldn't have gone with a 4PM game at least.
 
[quote name='JStryke']I agree. Granted, the east coast won't have a 1PM game with only two games going on right now, but I don't see why they couldn't have gone with a 4PM game at least.[/QUOTE]

I imagine its, game time, has something to do with Rangers/Yankees game later. Still, that's too early for a lot of fans. See Patriots day in Boston, 11ish AM start, for insane start time.
 
I'm glad the series are tied at a game a piece so far. So much more enjoyable when you feel like there's fair competition and I hope both leagues go the full seven games. Tonight should be intense!
 
yeah these are two really compelling series. I like to see how Burnett goes tonight and see if he can regain that playoff form from last year....also like to see how the yankees are going to approach a lights out Cliff Lee.

I cant watch the Philly/SF series due to Cablevision and Newscorp's on going feud over greed and money. I hate this crap...so I am going to have to rely on online streaming for it.
 
Ya know, I admire Girardi's gusto in actually trying to beat Lee. But really, this may have been the perfect game to pitch Burnett in. If he did great and went pitch for pitch with Lee, wonderful. Something to build off of. If he bombed, oh well. Let the Rangers win 27-0. Who cares. Fact is, those 2 runs Pettitte has given up could be enough to win anyway.
 
My goodness, Cliff Lee is just something else.

Is it sad that us Yankee fans are celebrating the fact that it took 10 pitches to get Swisher out? lol.
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']Ya know, I admire Girardi's gusto in actually trying to beat Lee. But really, this may have been the perfect game to pitch Burnett in. If he did great and went pitch for pitch with Lee, wonderful. Something to build off of. If he bombed, oh well. Let the Rangers win 27-0. Who cares. Fact is, those 2 runs Pettitte has given up could be enough to win anyway.[/QUOTE]

I highly doubt Burnett pitches tomorrow if the Yankees lose, no matter what they have said up until this point.
 
[quote name='bigdaddybruce44']I highly doubt Burnett pitches tomorrow if the Yankees lose, no matter what they have said up until this point.[/QUOTE]

All the more reason Burnett could have pitched tonight. Some might view it as "giving a game away", but if the plan was to pitch him at some point anyway, what difference does it make? I trust Pettitte enough to go up against the Rangers #4 even down 2-1. Then, you'd have CC on full rest the next day.
 
[quote name='bigdaddybruce44']I highly doubt Burnett pitches tomorrow if the Yankees lose, no matter what they have said up until this point.[/QUOTE]

CC hasn't been dominant this postseason, which is the only thing that makes me doubt that it will happen. Personally I will be happy if it does since the Rangers knocked him around last time and the Twins got to him as well.

If the bullpen blows this game then the Yankees are going to win the series. This is the second time they have been setup to put the game away in good shape. I swear to God that if they do fuck up the game tonight I don't think any of them ever better come back to Dallas. Cliff should be driving the stake in the heart tonight.
 
Imagine a Roy Halladay, Cliff Lee, and Roy Oswalt playoff rotation. Oswalt is probably the "dog" of the group and he's never lost a postseason start.
 
Well, the Yanks gotta hold serve in the 9th, then the top of the order needs to fucking do something. If Jeter or Swisher can get on, Teixeira needs to do something. He's been playing like the biggest overpaid lump of shit all season. I never thought somebody could make A-Rod look like a hard worker.

I do think CC will end up starting tomorrow though. They can say he'd be pitching on short rest, but he only threw 93 pitches...which isn't really a lot for him. Even if they win that one though, it's going to be asking a lot of Hughes and Pettitte to do the same. I guess that's what happens when your $17 million "#2" is a freaking nut bag.
 
Though CC has not looked good in the playoffs, I think you will see him tomorrow, and I think the short rest will actually do him good. Now, that probably won't matter, because the Yankee offense has looked pretty awful outside of the 8th inning in Game 1.
 
Annnnnnd...the Yankee bullpen takes a dump, lol. Goodnight, folks. By the way, where are all the people bitching about "buying championships" when the Yankees get their asses handed to them?
 
[quote name='bigdaddybruce44']Though CC has not looked good in the playoffs, I think you will see him tomorrow, and I think the short rest will actually do him good. Now, that probably won't matter, because the Yankee offense has looked pretty awful outside of the 8th inning in Game 1.[/QUOTE]


I think it was Smoltz or Darling that pointed out that CC going on 3 days rest has been done plenty, but that would either mean AJ goes in 5 or Hughes pitches for the first time on three days rest.

Edit: I finally feel safe about the game.
 
Lol, even the fans know it's over. Look at them flooding out. Eight, zip; get shit on! :p

But seriously, Lights Out Lee is a beast. The fact that his first walk in 20 innings pitched this post season came after 25+ K's is just amazing.
 
[quote name='Jodou']Lol, even the fans know it's over. Look at them flooding out.

8 zip; get shit on! :p[/QUOTE]

Well, it was just a shit job done by Logan, Robertson and company. Andy Pettitte goes out and battles for 7 innings, throwing 120 pitches, and these morons can't even keep the team in it. Sucks that the best starting performance has come against Cliff Lee. Tonight really would have been the night to start AJ. Honestly, it feels like Girardi is being outmanaged this series. It'll be interesting to see where his heart is when the Cubs come calling this winter.
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']Well, it was just a shit job done by Logan, Robertson and company. Andy Pettitte goes out and battles for 7 innings, throwing 120 pitches, and these morons can't even keep the team in it. Sucks that the best starting performance has come against Cliff Lee. Tonight really would have been the night to start AJ. Honestly, it feels like Girardi is being outmanaged this series. It'll be interesting to see where his heart is when the Cubs come calling this winter.[/QUOTE]

If the money is right, he will leave but he will just have to know that he will never win again as the Cubs just remain in mediocrity.

Robertson is just god awful at times....but if the Yankees couldnt hit Lee in the early innings, They werent going to hit him at all...which happened. but it isn't over. now the Lee game is over, The yanks can roar right back....Texas has to hope its starters behind him can at least give the offense a chance to break through again to give them a chance to win.
 
God, that ninth inning felt so fucking good after that Rangers bullpen collapse in the eighth inning of game one. Also, Cliff Lee is just a fucking monster.

This series should be 3-0 right now, but I'll take 2-1. Either way, the series is coming back to Arlington unless the Yankee bats wake up. Gotta jump on Burnett early tomorrow, get him pissed, and get the crowd out of it again.
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']Annnnnnd...the Yankee bullpen takes a dump, lol. Goodnight, folks. By the way, where are all the people bitching about "buying championships" when the Yankees get their asses handed to them?[/QUOTE]

It'll happen when the Yanks sign Lee for 5 years 185 million.

If I'm a Yankees fan I'm ecstatic about this game.....with this game Lee just pocketed another 20 million....who's giving him that money?

New Yaaaaahk.
 
[quote name='integralsmatic']Texas has to hope its starters behind him can at least give the offense a chance to break through again to give them a chance to win.[/QUOTE]

True. The only thing I worry about is that the Yankee pitching has not looked good at all. Even if the bats wake up, the rotation needs to pitch a lot better.

[quote name='ph33r m3']It'll happen when the Yanks sign Lee for 5 years 185 million.

If I'm a Yankees fan I'm ecstatic about this game.....with this game Lee just pocketed another 20 million....who's giving him that money?

New Yaaaaahk.[/QUOTE]

Ehhh...I don't know if I even want Lee on the team. I don't know why, but he just comes across as the most smug son of a bitch on the planet. And talk about the definition of a mercenary. I don't think he gives two shits about who he plays for. Indians, Phillies, Mariners, Rangers...who cares as long as the checks keep coming.
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']Ehhh...I don't know if I even want Lee on the team. I don't know why, but he just comes across as the most smug son of a bitch on the planet. And talk about the definition of a mercenary. I don't think he gives two shits about who he plays for. Indians, Phillies, Mariners, Rangers...who cares as long as the checks keep coming.[/QUOTE]

Wow... really? A Yankee fan seriously just said that? Look at your corner infielders and then call Cliff Lee a "smug son of a bitch."
 
[quote name='Arikado']Wow... really? A Yankee fan seriously just said that?[/QUOTE]

Yes...and the Yankees get crucified for it. But nobody pays any attention when Lee and other players across baseball do the exact same thing. Also, most players who play for the Yankees care about being a Yankee. I don't get the impression that it would mean anything to Lee. I don't want a player who doesn't respect the uniform.

As for the second comment you added, it's not a mutually exclusive club. A-Rod is A-Rod (and Teixeira, I don't really get smugness from...I just think he's kinda dumb), but that doesn't actually prevent Lee from thinking he's the greatest pitcher to ever walk on a baseball diamond. That's just my opinion. I could be off, and maybe he's a super nice guy. But that's just the vibe I get from him. I don't like him. Never have.
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']True. The only thing I worry about is that the Yankee pitching has not looked good at all. Even if the bats wake up, the rotation needs to pitch a lot better.



Ehhh...I don't know if I even want Lee on the team. I don't know why, but he just comes across as the most smug son of a bitch on the planet. And talk about the definition of a mercenary. I don't think he gives two shits about who he plays for. Indians, Phillies, Mariners, Rangers...who cares as long as the checks keep coming.[/QUOTE]

You don't know much about Lee do you? You call him a mercenary for having played for all those teams, but do you not realize that the only reason he's been on all those teams is the fact that he's been traded three times in the last year and a half. He's a damn good pitcher who hasn't been paid yet like Sabathia and Halladay. If he signs a monster contract this offseason, he's earned it.
 
Wow! Lee was awesome and scary! The Yanks must win the next 3 three games in order not to face Lee. It looks like the Rangers are going to win the series. Oh well, there is always next year!
Lee should get a $30 million yr deal.
 
[quote name='Whambamm']You don't know much about Lee do you? You call him a mercenary for having played for all those teams, but do you not realize that the only reason he's been on all those teams is the fact that he's been traded three times in the last year and a half. He's a damn good pitcher who hasn't been paid yet like Sabathia and Halladay. If he signs a monster contract this offseason, he's earned it.[/QUOTE]

No, I know he was traded to Philly and Seattle. But did he ever seem like he was actually "a part" of either of those teams to anybody? Even on Texas, it seems like Cliff Lee...and the Texas Rangers. Does he even know all of his teammates names? lol

Anyway, I guess a lot of it stems from how he caught that pop in last year's World Series. He just held his glove out like he was bored and it was no big deal. I don't know. That just struck me as ridiculously arrogant. I don't think I've even seen A-Rod do anything on that level during a game. He just seems like a dick to me.
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']Anyway, I guess a lot of it stems from how he caught that pop in last year's World Series. He just held his glove out like he was bored and it was no big deal. I don't know. [/QUOTE]

I thought that was funny. But then again, I don't cheer for the Yankees. ;)
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']
Ehhh...I don't know if I even want Lee on the team. I don't know why, but he just comes across as the most smug son of a bitch on the planet. And talk about the definition of a mercenary. I don't think he gives two shits about who he plays for. Indians, Phillies, Mariners, Rangers...who cares as long as the checks keep coming.[/QUOTE]

Come on man. You're a fan of team full of hired mercenaries. Yeah you have the career players like Jeter, Posada etc.

But a lot of success has came from free agents/mercenaries like Arod, Texeira, Clemens, Giambi, etc. over the years.

It's just sports. Few players give a crap about anything but money and being on a contending team. Which makes sense, few play for their home town teams they grew up rooting for anyway. No reason to be loyal to a city/team you never gave a crap about. It's just a job and it's all business. As long as they are giving there all to win, who cares about anything else as a fan?
 
I think it's tough to call Lee a mercenary. He's just been on some bad teams that knew they couldn't/shouldn't pay him, like Cleveland and Seattle. And with the Phillies, they saw an opportunity to get the pitcher they really wanted by getting rid of the pitcher they didn't know if they could sign.

But I definitely understand not wanting to get him. Hell, I said earlier in this thread when the Yankees just missed out on trading for him that I was happy, because I didn't want to listen to crying. Looking back, maybe it would have been better if they did get him, but if they lose, they lose. They've got a zillion superstars on their team. They should be able to beat anyone, even Cliff Lee. If they don't, tip your head and move along.

And if you happen to live in the New York area, I hope you're getting a laugh out of the talk radio callers who are trying to say that Lee cheats. It's times like these that I almost don't blame people for hating all Yankees fans. But in the end, you have to realize that there are many of us who are not insane and who do not blindly make excuses for why the Yankees lost. They lost last night, because Cliff Lee is disgusting and, right now, has their heart in this pocket.
 
I guess it's just harder for me to consider a guy a "mercenary" when he signs an 8+ year deal with the team. I mean, hell, when A-Rod's career is over, he'll have played 14 years for the Yankees. Maybe that will happen for Lee and he'll settle in with a team after this season. Honestly, I hope so because I'm tired of hearing about him. Look how long Halladay stayed in Toronto before finally going to a contender.

Right now, Lee's just been the "go get him if you want to win" guy for the past 3 years. I guess Teixeira was a similar guy before his Yankee deal (going Rangers to Braves to Angels), but a starting pitcher just feels like more of a game changer. Whatever. I still think Lee is a douchebag, and I'd still like to punch him in the mouth and knock that smug look off his face. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it. :)
 
True, but he's been traded. And hasn't been demanding trades etc.

So I can't see him as a mercenary. If some contender offers him a huge deal like Arod got from the Yanks, I'm sure he'd stay there. But so far he's been on teams that didn't think they could afford him when his contract is up, so he's been bounced around.

Do you really think he wanted to go from the Phillies after a World Series loss, to the dreadful Mariners?
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']I guess it's just harder for me to consider a guy a "mercenary" when he signs an 8+ year deal with the team. I mean, hell, when A-Rod's career is over, he'll have played 14 years for the Yankees. Maybe that will happen for Lee and he'll settle in with a team after this season. Honestly, I hope so because I'm tired of hearing about him. Look how long Halladay stayed in Toronto before finally going to a contender.

Right now, Lee's just been the "go get him if you want to win" guy for the past 3 years. I guess Teixeira was a similar guy before his Yankee deal (going Rangers to Braves to Angels), but a starting pitcher just feels like more of a game changer. Whatever. I still think Lee is a douchebag, and I'd still like to punch him in the mouth and knock that smug look off his face. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it. :)[/QUOTE]

Until he signs with the Yankees...right?
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']I guess it's just harder for me to consider a guy a "mercenary" when he signs an 8+ year deal with the team. I mean, hell, when A-Rod's career is over, he'll have played 14 years for the Yankees. Maybe that will happen for Lee and he'll settle in with a team after this season. Honestly, I hope so because I'm tired of hearing about him. Look how long Halladay stayed in Toronto before finally going to a contender.

Right now, Lee's just been the "go get him if you want to win" guy for the past 3 years. I guess Teixeira was a similar guy before his Yankee deal (going Rangers to Braves to Angels), but a starting pitcher just feels like more of a game changer. Whatever. I still think Lee is a douchebag, and I'd still like to punch him in the mouth and knock that smug look off his face. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it. :)[/QUOTE]


http://www.star-telegram.com/2010/10/17/2553618/reasons-texas-rangers-fans-boo.html

The above are why A-Rod and Tex are pieces of shit.

As far as Lee goes, he isn't totally blameless. He did have the opportunity to stay in Philly if he would have reupped with them. The reason that Halladay is there now is because Cliff wanted to test the market. Hopefully he factors in no state income tax and cost of living when he chooses his location. If he does go, at least now there is permanent ownership and they can go strongly after Johnson ( who probably would have been a Ranger if they would have had an owner at the time).
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']Did I not already say I don't want Cliff Lee? Could have sworn I did.[/QUOTE]

I meant would you still feel that way, if he signs?
 
[quote name='CaseyRyback']http://www.star-telegram.com/2010/10/17/2553618/reasons-texas-rangers-fans-boo.html

The above are why A-Rod and Tex are pieces of shit.[/QUOTE]

I get your point, but man that article REEKS of bitter ex-girlfriend, lol. I'd never expect a Rangers fan to have positive feelings about players who have burned them though. A lot of Yankee fans felt the same way (though on a lesser scale) about Johnny Damon this past off season after he made those shitty comments about being a Yankee.

[quote name='craven_fiend']I meant would you still feel that way, if he signs?[/QUOTE]

You're asking me if I would still want to punch him in the mouth? Probably, haha. Hell, I want to punch AJ Burnett in the mouth...oh, and then throw a pie at him.

As for the Yankees signing Lee, I just can't picture him on the team. The last few encounters with him have seemed so personal, and he seems to have relished beating them (see also: smug) so much, I can't even fathom him wanting to play FOR them. Unless of course, again, he doesn't care what the jersey says...just who's paying for it. To me, it would make more sense for him to go to Boston (which I would hate...but at least it would make sense).
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']You're asking me if I would still want to punch him in the mouth? Probably, haha. Hell, I want to punch AJ Burnett in the mouth...oh, and then throw a pie at him.

As for the Yankees signing Lee, I just can't picture him on the team. The last few encounters with him have seemed so personal, and he seems to have relished beating them (see also: smug) so much, I can't even fathom him wanting to play FOR them. Unless of course, again, he doesn't care what the jersey says...just who's paying for it. To me, it would make more sense for him to go to Boston (which I would hate...but at least it would make sense).[/QUOTE]

Fair enough. Burnett needs to be punched.

I honestly hope Lee lands with the Sox. If it could jump start Beckett or Lackey, I think it would be a great signing. Though, it would also lead to them trading one of them, most likely Beckett since he has more value.
 
[quote name='tcrash247']Cody Ross is becoming Philly's public enemy number 1. He better watch his back and not walk around alone in Philly.[/QUOTE]

Damn, I bet he's scared.
 
Calm down, bro. The first one was definitely not bullshit. If they thought there was interference at all, they would have reviewed it. They are extremely review happy in the playoffs. And obviously, they got the call right on the second one.
 
[quote name='CaseyRyback']Absolute fucking bullshit. If they give them two fucking home runs off bullshit calls I am going to flip the fuck out.[/QUOTE]

Looks like you already did...
 
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