MLB 2010 Discussion Thread

[quote name='wildcpac']Cubs do not have to worry about a 1 run loss today. When does Ted Lilly get traded?

D Train 4 hit the Twins (minus Morneau and Mauer).[/QUOTE]
Ian Kennedy is dealing today.

D'backs are not hitting like a below .500 team, I'm loving the off-season acquisitions of Kelly Johnson and Adam LaRoche so far.
 
Robinson Cano is turning more and more and more into a best. 2 Homeruns and a double off the wall with gold glove defense tonight.

.407 Batting Average with 8 HR's for April. Last player to do that was Barry Bonds in 2004.




What in the world is going on in San Diego? Padres have 8 runs and 13 hits and AGon hasn't done anything so far today. Padres are on the verge of going 14-8.
 
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[quote name='wildcpac']Cubs do not have to worry about a 1 run loss today. When does Ted Lilly get traded?

D Train 4 hit the Twins (minus Morneau and Mauer).[/QUOTE]

Yeah no kidding! We've been able to climb back to .500 twice this season (5-5 & 10-10) but each time we do we go right back into the crapper.

Ted Lilly has been with the Cubs for the last couple of years. He was on the DL to start the season and last night was only his second start of the year.
 
Niese is just dominating the Phillies tonight and the Mets are out homering them too. Go figure.

7-1 Mets now and threatening for more. Good thing the Phillies overpaid Howard. They could have used some of that money toward their black hole bullpen.

8-1 now after a RBI single by Reyes.
 
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[quote name='wildcpac']When do the Sox take Old Yeller Ortiz behind the wood shed?[/QUOTE]

Not soon enough, sadly. Give the DH to Lowell and cut Ortiz and be done with him. He wants to play 3 more years, he won't cut it for any team in 3 years, let alone now. If they want to win, they have to cut ties. Atleast Lowell shows up and seems to be doing alright so far.
 
[quote name='craven_fiend']Not soon enough, sadly. Give the DH to Lowell and cut Ortiz and be done with him. He wants to play 3 more years, he won't cut it for any team in 3 years, let alone now. If they want to win, they have to cut ties. Atleast Lowell shows up and seems to be doing alright so far.[/QUOTE]

That that final at bat had to be one of the worst at bats I have ever seen. Ortiz was struck out only like 88 mph fastball and he still couldnt catch up. Red Sox brass should be thanking their lucky stars every night for not giving him a Howard like deal.
 
[quote name='wildcpac']That that final at bat had to be one of the worst at bats I have ever seen. Ortiz was struck out only like 88 mph fastball and he still couldnt catch up. Red Sox brass should be thanking their lucky stars every night for not giving him a Howard like deal.[/QUOTE]

I'm glad I missed it. Don't get me wrong, I've appreciated what he has done for the organization, but he's got to know that he's done. He can't catch up to a fastball, so every pitcher is going to blow them by him until he proves he can catch up to it.

Yeah, good call on no Howard deal. I'm hopeful that the Sox can get him pushed out of the lineup and not make too big of a scene about it. This could get very interesting with Lowell/Ortiz/possibly V Mart fighting for DH at bats, assuming Tex keeps it up or the Sox grab or promote a defensive minded C
 
Crazy night in baseball.

Royals with 2 outs and nobody on in the top of the 11th in a 2-2 game against the Rays were able to get the bases loaded and get a 2 run double to take a 4-2 lead.

Red Sox and Orioles are in a really ugly game. DMat had a 4-1 lead and got knocked out and Wake came in to pour some more gasoline on the fire. Orioles took an 11-4 lead which was followed by the Sox scoring 4 to make it 11-8. Luke Scott than hit his 3rd homerun of the game to make it 12-8 and Oritz followed with his second to make it 12-9.

Ortiz hitting 2 homeruns is more of a curse than anything for the Sox. It just bought him another month of being the Old Yeller in the lineup. The even a blind squirrel finds an acorn theory.
 
Can't really say im upset with this loss. Its Roy Halladay....The dude is fucking DOMINANT as HELL! All he did was toss strikes and had all the Mets hitters on their toes. Although i would have just let Pelf continue but of course Manuel wants to put in GM JR who can't hit for the life of him. It just seemed like a ton a of miscues on defense and even Valdes got knocked around. Hope Santana can give the same kind of performance halladay gave his team.
 
And Robinson Cano is becoming the best second baseman in baseball. 6 doubles, 9 homeruns, 21 rbi's and a .391 batting average.

Phil Hughes is turning into the stud that all Yankee fans have been dreaming about for 5 years now. 3-0 with a 2.00 era, whip under 1 and I believe he has only give up one extra base hit so far this year.

Yankees are 16-8 with minimal production from ARod, Tex, Nick Johnson, Granderson and Javy.
 
Cubs are looking to get back to .500 for the third time this season (13-13).

EDIT: Alf is red hot right now. Cubs take advantage of it while you can. It will last for a month at most then he'll get back to his old sub .200 strikeout self.

Save some of those runs for later in the week Cubs! We'll end up with 15 runs today then lose a couple of 2-1 or 3-2 ballgames later in the week.
 
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^Man our pitching has been awful this season, Edwin Jackson has been stinking it up and Haren hasn't been very impressive. Not to mention our bullpen is the worst in baseball right now. Ugh.

Of course it all has to happen when the D'backs are playing well offensively.
 
Fantastic weekend for the Orioles!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Swept the Red Sox and won the last 2 games on walkoff hits!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Great job Orioles. Now go back to being the crap team that you are for the Yankees.
 
[quote name='yukine']^Man our pitching has been awful this season, Edwin Jackson has been stinking it up and Haren hasn't been very impressive. Not to mention our bullpen is the worst in baseball right now. Ugh.[/QUOTE]
Yuuuuup.
[quote name='speedracer']"Probably" and "very good" is pretty optimistic about Edwin Jackson. One season does not a very good pitcher make. He's a two pitch pitcher (he literally does not have a third pitch) with a career ERA of 4.66. Last season was the first and only time he's had an ERA below 4.4. [/QUOTE]
 
fuck you Johan Santana you over rated piece of shit. Mets give you a 5-2 lead and you gave up 6 runs and walk the pitcher with the bases loaded. Fillies lead 8-5. If the Mets lose this game, it's going to take them awhile to recover.

10-5 Phillies now as Johan has given up 4 homeruns in 4 innings. Mets fans are going to flat out kill him tonight and tomorrow on WFan. This was the 1 game that they had to win. This is his second worst start for the Mets outside of the Yankee Stadium beat down last year.
 
Make it 11-5 game now as Castillo shows off his awesome defense skills that reminds everybody of the Pop up last year to end the game at Yankee Stadium.


Thank GOD the Yankees and Twins couldn't get a deal figured out on Hughes plus extras for Santana. Best thing Cashman ever did was hold off and wait a year to get CC.
 
Good to know that the Red Sox have given the Orioles most of their wins this season. Nothing like getting swept by the worst team in baseball, before playing 2 of the better teams.
 
[quote name='yukine']Well he is not even pitching that well, I think his ERA right now is 8.7 :bomb:[/QUOTE]
He drove me crazy when he was in LA. He'd show flashes of monster stuff and I'd get all excited and then wonder why the hell he got bombed the next 5 times out. Then he'd do something great and I'd start over all excited again.
 
[quote name='craven_fiend']Good to know that the Red Sox have given the Orioles most of their wins this season. Nothing like getting swept by the worst team in baseball, before playing 2 of the better teams.[/QUOTE]

Orioles are 4-2 against the Sox and the two loses came down to the final at bat with the tying/go ahead runners on base. Thats a real kick in the balls. Orioles were 2-16 last year against the Red Sox. So it's already a 2 game improvement with 12 left to go. Sox are going to have to make up alot of games against other teams if the Orioles are going to play them tough all year.
 
[quote name='speedracer']He drove me crazy when he was in LA. He'd show flashes of monster stuff and I'd get all excited and then wonder why the hell he got bombed the next 5 times out. Then he'd do something great and I'd start over all excited again.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, he has the stuff... great velocity, but his control is so awful. He was spiking fastballs into the ground against the Cubs today.
 
[quote name='wildcpac']fuck you Johan Santana you over rated piece of shit. Mets give you a 5-2 lead and you gave up 6 runs and walk the pitcher with the bases loaded. Fillies lead 8-5. If the Mets lose this game, it's going to take them awhile to recover.

10-5 Phillies now as Johan has given up 4 homeruns in 4 innings. Mets fans are going to flat out kill him tonight and tomorrow on WFan. This was the 1 game that they had to win. This is his second worst start for the Mets outside of the Yankee Stadium beat down last year.[/QUOTE]

its great knowing that a 153 million dollar investment walked a fucking pitcher that can be my dad with the bases fucking loaded. He deserves to get shit. We pay him a ton to win these types of games....games against our rivals...not games against teams who suck.

:bomb::bomb::bomb::bomb:

i was ok losing to Halladay but im not ok losing to Jamie Moyer with apparently one of the best pitchers in the game...who instead pitched like a beer league pitcher today.

Dont get me wrong, i know Santana will bounce back...but walking Moyer is an image that will stay for the rest of the season for me. Its not something you do!

not to mention i have to hear the most excruciating duo in Joe Morgan and Jon Miller. Why couldnt this game be on SNY so i can hear Keith and Ron. At least i can have the much enjoyment hearing the bottled up disappointment in them.
 
it's not the fact that he walked a pitcher. It's the fact that he walked a 47 year old broken down pitcher. it's the fact that Johan gave up 8 runs and like 10 hits in a row all after 2 outs. Every Mets fan and talk show host is going to kill Johan tonight and tomorrow.


I think it's going to take awhile for the Mets to bounce back after today. Johan and the team has to be a little shell shocked. You do not get blown out with your best pitcher to a division rival like that and lose to a 47 year old pitcher and bounce back the next day as if nothing happened. Mets were flat out embarrassed today.
 
Glad the Phillies won tonight. Gramps had me nervous early-on, but the mistake by Johan gave the Phightins all they needed to get the win and take back the NL East, giving them momentum heading into a tough battle with the Cards.
 
[quote name='wildcpac']Orioles are 4-2 against the Sox and the two loses came down to the final at bat with the tying/go ahead runners on base. Thats a real kick in the balls. Orioles were 2-16 last year against the Red Sox. So it's already a 2 game improvement with 12 left to go. Sox are going to have to make up alot of games against other teams if the Orioles are going to play them tough all year.[/QUOTE]

I think all of their games have been very close, if not won in the last at bats, other than last night.
 
[quote name='wildcpac']it's not the fact that he walked a pitcher. It's the fact that he walked a 47 year old broken down pitcher. it's the fact that Johan gave up 8 runs and like 10 hits in a row all after 2 outs. Every Mets fan and talk show host is going to kill Johan tonight and tomorrow.


I think it's going to take awhile for the Mets to bounce back after today. Johan and the team has to be a little shell shocked. You do not get blown out with your best pitcher to a division rival like that and lose to a 47 year old pitcher and bounce back the next day as if nothing happened. Mets were flat out embarrassed today.[/QUOTE]

Dont forget the Slammy to Victorino. giving the lead off a slammy wasnt anything good either.

its already done. The Met group i am apart of and met friends all are shell shocked. This is not the Santana we were ever used to seeing. Its fucking shameful this series. We win with our number 3 in John Niese but get BLOWN THE fuck UP with our 1 and 2??? i am quite speechless after this series.

parting shot: can we get rid of gary matthews jr and bring up Fernando Martinez. this guy is a joke.
 
[quote name='Proto Man']Interesting point about Gary Matthews Jr.: his dad is the Phillies' color commentator.[/QUOTE]

he must have been cringing at every at bat Matthews had. I bet Gary Matthews Sr would strike out less than his son.
 
In his prime, yeah, he was pretty good. Interestingly enough, ESPN pointed out that Sr. batted against Moyer in the 80's. No word on his stats then.
 
[quote name='integralsmatic']its great knowing that a 153 million dollar investment walked a fucking pitcher that can be my dad with the bases fucking loaded. He deserves to get shit. We pay him a ton to win these types of games....games against our rivals...not games against teams who suck.

:bomb::bomb::bomb::bomb:

i was ok losing to Halladay but im not ok losing to Jamie Moyer with apparently one of the best pitchers in the game...who instead pitched like a beer league pitcher today.

Dont get me wrong, i know Santana will bounce back...but walking Moyer is an image that will stay for the rest of the season for me. Its not something you do!

not to mention i have to hear the most excruciating duo in Joe Morgan and Jon Miller. Why couldnt this game be on SNY so i can hear Keith and Ron. At least i can have the much enjoyment hearing the bottled up disappointment in them.[/QUOTE]

I told you i was worried about Santana. After the surgery he had in the off season his fastball just looks pathetic. Not only does it top out at 91, but he can not locate it and he has no movement. Yeah ok he just came off a good stretch, but tonights start shows there is something to worry about.
 
Not that I think Edwin Jackson is the next coming, but his walk rate is improving, and his xFIP prior to today's start was equal with Greinke's (4.25 for Jackson, 4.26 for Greinke). Jackson's BABIP is .344, his stranded % is only 60.6, and his HR/FB% is 12% - all of which likely got worse after today. I'm willing to bet that he'll end up with an ERA around 4.5, which isn't bad considering his terrible start to the season. If he's able to keep his GB rate over 40% (it's at 55% now, and likely to come down a bit), there's a decent chance he could give the D-Backs 180 innings at a sub-4 ERA the rest of the way.

I'm glad I didn't draft him for my fantasy team, though.

speed, did you pull the trigger on the deal you were considering earlier?

Santana's days as one of the best pitchers in baseball are over. This is the third year now with well over 1 K/9 less than his peak years with the Twins, and his walk rate is continuing to rise. I predict that this is the year his ERA matches his current xFIP, at about 4.00~4.25.
 
Really interesting series with the Phillies coming up for the Cards. Last time we visited Philly was the weekend we got Holliday.

I wish that Matt Holliday would show up soon.
 
[quote name='DomLando']I told you i was worried about Santana. After the surgery he had in the off season his fastball just looks pathetic. Not only does it top out at 91, but he can not locate it and he has no movement. Yeah ok he just came off a good stretch, but tonights start shows there is something to worry about.[/QUOTE]

yeah i fully see it now. He just doesn't look like the same as he used to be. he used to pound that strike zone but now he is pitching away from it. I just hope and i do mean hope that there is some way he can regain it. This start has to open Johan's eyes that there is something wrong with him. this is now the worst start of his career and he lost to an ageless veteran in Jamie Moyer. Even Bobby Ojeda was lost for words when he lost. he was also eluding to the same thing....that he had no location at the plate. It just wasn't there tonight and there is no excuse to lose with a lead. This team is in trouble if they dont rebound tomorrow.

also it didnt help our cause starting KMJ(thanks to a user at Metsblog for the nickname) at lead off and Reyes 3rd in the lineup. Reyes is batting .167 and KMJ is batting what feels like a goose egg. plus he is slow as shit. Didnt like benching Ike and Pagan WHATSOEVER. if he wanted to give them rest...do it against the Reds not against the phillies.....another management miscue by the apparent genius known as Jerry Manuel.

Abscess, Those numbers are scaring me. i never really look in to his k/9 but yeah its well over.....and your right...he is walking wayyyy too many batters. I dont want to believe his days are numbered as one of the best but today's start didnt leave me any confidence that he is...and Halladay showed me he is the best. the Lee move looks better and better for the Phils.
 
[quote name='Feeding the Abscess']Not that I think Edwin Jackson is the next coming, but his walk rate is improving, and his xFIP prior to today's start was equal with Greinke's (4.25 for Jackson, 4.26 for Greinke). Jackson's BABIP is .344, his stranded % is only 60.6, and his HR/FB% is 12% - all of which likely got worse after today. I'm willing to bet that he'll end up with an ERA around 4.5, which isn't bad considering his terrible start to the season. If he's able to keep his GB rate over 40% (it's at 55% now, and likely to come down a bit), there's a decent chance he could give the D-Backs 180 innings at a sub-4 ERA the rest of the way.[/quote]
4-ish is par for Jackson I think. The numbers are pretty solid and linear. Watching him is what will drive you crazy.
speed, did you pull the trigger on the deal you were considering earlier?
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I offered it, then realized I had offered to the new guy we let in from public that is the "bomb everyone with shit trades guy". He promptly countered with Haren, Kelly Johnson, and Stephen Drew for Chase Utley, Asdrubal Cabrera, and Chris Carpenter.

Man am I bummed about Cano. I had a feeling last year and picked him up really early, 3rd or early 4th round last year cause I thought it was gonna be the year. He had a great year but not what I hoped. He is destroying the ball this year.
 
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[quote name='speedracer']4-ish is par for Jackson I think. The numbers are pretty solid and linear. Watching him is what will drive you crazy.

I offered it, then realized I had offered to the new guy we let in from public that is the "bomb everyone with shit trades guy". He promptly countered with Haren, Kelly Johnson, and Stephen Drew for Chase Utley, Asdrubal Cabrera, and Chris Carpenter.

Man am I bummed about Cano. I had a feeling last year and picked him up really early, 3rd or early 4th round last year cause I thought it was gonna be the year. He had a great year but not what I hoped. He is destroying the ball this year.[/QUOTE]

Yikes. The Haren/Carpenter portion is fair, but the Kelly Johnson/Utley swap is way out of bounds.

I know he's only 80 PA into the season, but Geovany Soto is seriously walking at a level that even pre-2001 Bonds didn't touch: 24.4%. His Ks are down, and his BABIP has bumped back from its freakishly low level last season. I was happy to get him for $5 in my keeper league draft this year, and I'm even happier now. Move him up in the lineup, Lou!

Cliff Lee keeps throwing harder, too. His fastball averaged 92 in his start against the Rangers; his velocity has gone from 88/89 to 91 in two years, and if he continues to throw 92 it'll mark a third straight season of increased velocity.
 
You know it's a good night for the Red Sox when Mike Lowell gets a triple. I'm honestly surprised how well the Red Sox bats are doing tonight. And Beltre went yard............
 
So the mets have finally returned to earth. i guess the wins were just too good to be true. should have pounded the reds but all they did was pound our offense. Ollie walked too many batters again but was solid beyond that. he actually lasted 6 innings so i was happy with that but the Offense was just lack luster. Same like last year....can't hit with RISP was the death of the ball club again. not hitting any panic button yet but this doesn't look good right now. Dropping the series to the Reds is just as near an embarrassment as losing to Jamie Moyer. My confidence isnt high for tomorrow either with Bronson Arroyo,who kills the mets over and over.
 
[quote name='slickkill77']They could of won 30-0. It doesn't really matter. They just got swept by the worst team in baseball.[/QUOTE]

All it takes is one spark to get the ball rolling. I'll take the 2 World Series since '04 as consolation for now. :)

[quote name='integralsmatic']So the mets have finally returned to earth. i guess the wins were just too good to be true. should have pounded the reds but all they did was pound our offense. Ollie walked too many batters again but was solid beyond that. he actually lasted 6 innings so i was happy with that but the Offense was just lack luster. Same like last year....can't hit with RISP was the death of the ball club again. not hitting any panic button yet but this doesn't look good right now. Dropping the series to the Reds is just as near an embarrassment as losing to Jamie Moyer. My confidence isnt high for tomorrow either with Bronson Arroyo,who kills the mets over and over.[/QUOTE]

You conceding the series after the first game? It's not like the Reds are terrible, it's just Dusty Baker isn't too good with kids. With a better manager, the Reds would be a superior team. Too much young talent to sit waste away. Losing to someone like you or I would be an embarrassment, not another professional player. But I get what you're saying, considering the Red Sox just got swept in Baltimore. In a close series....
 
[quote name='craven_fiend']All it takes is one spark to get the ball rolling. I'll take the 2 World Series since '04 as consolation for now. :)



You conceding the series after the first game? It's not like the Reds are terrible, it's just Dusty Baker isn't too good with kids. With a better manager, the Reds would be a superior team. Too much young talent to sit waste away. Losing to someone like you or I would be an embarrassment, not another professional player. But I get what you're saying, considering the Red Sox just got swept in Baltimore. In a close series....[/QUOTE]

im not conceding yet by no means but it doesn't look great with a another Met Killer on the mound in Arroyo and again we have to depend on John Maine to have a great start like he had previously. Arroyo beat us 5 times straight and shut out D Wright in 22 ABs. you can see why my confidence is low coming in to tomorrow.

Im still not sold on that Maine is back. He still walks a ton and only last 5 innings. I do not like that. Ike Davis even was pressing today. Thats not like him to swing at pitches Leake gave him. He is usually more patient at the plate but can't fault him at all.....We just lost by 1 bad pitch and of course stranding a ton of runners AGAIN! The good news is that Ollie went 6 and gave up only 2..but he walked 4. Lets hope he can somehow repeat that.



Im glad we are 2nd in the NL East because i thought we would be dead last coming in to May so in no way i am disappointed in the Mets or in fact given up on them. Its just going to sting really bad if we lose this series coupled with the Phillies loss. The Mets just have been awful on the road.

Dusty has a legit squad out there......he just needs to use the kids more. i hope Leake turns out to be great. He looked awesome out there.
 
Never trust Dusty Baker anywhere near a pitcher. He blew the game Homer Bailey pitched this weekend as he should have been yanked as soon as someone got on base, but he didn't and Pujols made them pay.

David Freese is going ballistic right now. If Heyward wins Rookie of the Month I'm going to be uber pissed. Jaime Garcia deserves it more than Heyward, who's coming back down to earth a bit. Of course Freese deserves it the most.

I'm in a Yahoo keeper league that keeps 20 players per year (I joined after it had already run a few seasons) so each draft is a mad dash for all the rookies/minor leaguers that were not No. 1 draft picks and what good veterans weren't kept. In the 4th round I needed a 3B to backup Jorge Cantu/Scott Rolen since Brett Wallace is still in the minors. I had a choice between Freese and Brandon Wood (who was my No. 1 draft pick my rookie season in the league.)

I was afraid with the DWI's on Freese's record and LaRussa's track record of not trusting rookies he would bench Freese and start Lopez so I went with Wood. Bad move. Had to burn my waiver priority to get Placido Polanco a few weeks ago when someone let him go in the middle of his hot streak.

Then of course Polanco went cold and the person who drafted Freese had dumped him (he needed saves and swapped Freese for Kevin Gregg of the Blue Jays) and Freese passed through waivers. I got Freese for Polanco during the Braves series, and he's staying on my team unless he does something Josh Hamilton/Josh Hancock level stupid.

I hope the Cards can jump on the Phillies in these next two with Waino and Penny on the mound. Don't feel too comfortable with Lohse vs. Halladay on a Thursday afternoon.
 
Bronson Arroyo is another one of those WTF guys. I've seen him pitch 5 or 6 times here in Houston and he's like Jekyll and Hyde. When his offspeed stuff is working the guy looks like the best pitcher in baseball. Then he goes out and gets blown up in 4 straight starts.

We should totally have a CAG fantasy baseball keeper league. It's the same bunch of assholes in here talkin every year.
 
Not necessarily related to the current season, but I was just looking over some stats for Vladimir Guerrero and was thinking about his chances at the hall of fame.
Including this year, his stats are:
GP/H/HR/RBI/SB/AVG
1875/2280/409/1331/178/.321

He's 35 now, and could probably last another 4-5 years as a DH. I think if he keeps up a steady pace of 20 hr/80 rbi/.300 per year, he'll be a first ballot, especially since he never took steroids.
 
[quote name='Brownjohn']Not necessarily related to the current season, but I was just looking over some stats for Vladimir Guerrero and was thinking about his chances at the hall of fame.
Including this year, his stats are:
GP/H/HR/RBI/SB/AVG
1875/2280/409/1331/178/.321

He's 35 now, and could probably last another 4-5 years as a DH. I think if he keeps up a steady pace of 20 hr/80 rbi/.300 per year, he'll be a first ballot, especially since he never took steroids.[/QUOTE]

LOL. They all took steroids. Sorry but all of the cheaters ruined it for everybody else. And the two major scandals were concentrated on the East Coast and Balco. Each team had 5 cheats so you know every other team had people cheating as well.

Vlad is first ballot if he retires today. The only thing is that his offense is falling off the cliff the past couple of years. He should retire with 2500 hits and 450 homeruns.
 
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