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[quote name='evanft']Casey was hurt?[/quote]Messed up his calf. Currently it's just listed as a strain, but it looked pretty bad in slow-mo (which doesn't mean a whole lot). Definitely out today, maybe back Friday, don't know yet.
 
Yeah, hopefully Casey is not out long, especially since the Tigers did NOT bring Shelton with them. Not sure how confident I am with Ramon Santiago as our starting SS. Nice win though...GREAT game.
 
why did the tigers drop shelton off the major league roster. I know he started out like a bat out of hell, and his season numbers don't look great compared to the start he had. But .273 with 16 homers isn't bad. I know they got casey, to get a lefty in the lineup and add stability, but is he much better then shelton?
 
[quote name='ryanbph']why did the tigers drop shelton off the major league roster. I know he started out like a bat out of hell, and his season numbers don't look great compared to the start he had. But .273 with 16 homers isn't bad. I know they got casey, to get a lefty in the lineup and add stability, but is he much better then shelton?[/quote]He was at least a natural first baseman. Shelton's a converted catcher. At the plate, no, I don't think he was a huge improvement, though I like him better with guys on base.

Why they didn't have Shelton on the roster, I don't know. I'm assuming it's so they could have a couple more versatile reserves (Santiago, Infante) who can play a couple positions. Hopefully we don't see too much of a drop with Guillen at first and Santiago at SS. Better than seeing Sheffield at first. ;)
 
Yeah that Casey injury looked really bad in slow mo. They need his bat in there lineup though. If they make it past the A's without him and have to play a team like the Mets who are stacked on offense missing Caseys bat can hurt. On another note I'm pumpd for the Mets game tonight. Thye kept Floyd on the roster. I just hope they dont play him until hes close to 100%. I rather have a healthy endy chavez in there then a 70-80% Floyd.
 
[quote name='DomLando']Yeah that Casey injury looked really bad in slow mo. They need his bat in there lineup though. If they make it past the A's without him and have to play a team like the Mets who are stacked on offense missing Caseys bat can hurt. On another note I'm pumpd for the Mets game tonight. Thye kept Floyd on the roster. I just hope they dont play him until hes close to 100%. I rather have a healthy endy chavez in there then a 70-80% Floyd.[/quote]


hopefully they kept Floyd just to hit...Having his bat on the bench sure sounds nice;)
 
The whole Shelton thing.....not really sure. I know he slumped pretty bad at the end of the season when they called him back up.

I guess Leyland would rather have defense and some speed on his bench over another 1B. They have THREE utility IF's on the playoff roster (Neifi Perez, Infante and Santiago). Not sure why they kept Santiago....Cleven might have been better. However, Leyland has done almost everthign right, so no need to second guess.

However, the Tigers could bring Shelton back WHEN they make it to the World Series ;)
 
[quote name='Jedi1979']hopefully they kept Floyd just to hit...Having his bat on the bench sure sounds nice;)[/QUOTE]

yup either way endy has always filled in nicely when one of our OFs went down. give it to minaya to pluck him away from his old team the nationals. with it raining now..i dont know if the mets game will be rained out today...=(
 
too bad about lidle...the yanks are hurting as bad as the red sox with starting pitching. Wang and mussina (who is getting up in age) are the only 2 solid players left in the starting rotation. Johnson is turning into the yanks version of kevin brown.
 
Shit. 7-4. Come Tigs, stay in there. I wish Rogers could pitch every night like he did against the Yankees. I guess that is what happens when you are over 40. Go Tigs, GO!
 
At least Grilli didn't fuck up, that was surprising. Looking for a couple more runs in the 8th and 9th from the Tigs so there's less pressure on me. And Zumaya and Jones too, I guess.

Woot! Quick, find the brooms!
 
Good win by the Tigers tonight. Verlander didn't bring his best, but they got it done. Friggin Leyland looks like a genius putting Gomez in the lineup. Rodney pitched very well also.

Milton Bradley had a hell of a game tonight for the A's.
 
[quote name='ryanbph']too bad about lidle...the yanks are hurting as bad as the red sox with starting pitching. Wang and mussina (who is getting up in age) are the only 2 solid players left in the starting rotation. Johnson is turning into the yanks version of kevin brown.[/QUOTE]


yeah its not like the yanks cant afford another star pitcher but the death is a tragedy all accross the MLB.

Mets are finally on today. i cant wait for it.
 
[quote name='ryanbph']too bad about lidle...the yanks are hurting as bad as the red sox with starting pitching. Wang and mussina (who is getting up in age) are the only 2 solid players left in the starting rotation. Johnson is turning into the yanks version of kevin brown.[/QUOTE]
Yeah and rumors that Mussina might not even be back with the team next year dont help there pitching either. It was a tragedy what happenend to Lidle though. I was shocked when I found out it was him. I always thought he was an underrated pitcher.
Hopefully the rain stops tonight so we can get some Mets baseball in. Sucked that it got PPD yesterday. Oh well no travel day now.
 
[quote name='ryanbph']they can afford one, but there isn't really any available[/QUOTE]

as of now..but with schmidt and zito the two headliners in the off season...those two might could as all well be the new aces of the staff if they join the yanks and if they trade A-Slob,that could wring in even more pitching.
 
lets be honest...zitto and schmidt are no longer aces. Zitto on a team like the yanks, whitesox, redsox, or twins would be a solid #3. Schmidt is carrying a lot of baggage and doesn't have the velocity he used to have
 
[quote name='ryanbph']lets be honest...zitto and schmidt are no longer aces. Zitto on a team like the yanks, whitesox, redsox, or twins would be a solid #3. Schmidt is carrying a lot of baggage and doesn't have the velocity he used to have[/QUOTE]
I still think Zito is an ace. If he went to the Mets I think he would be a great guy behind Pedro. Zito sometimes does not perform well under pressure. But check the stats. The guys wins and makes his starts consistently. Schmidt is on a decline but he is a solid 2 or 3 pitcher.
 
[quote name='DomLando']I still think Zito is an ace. If he went to the Mets I think he would be a great guy behind Pedro. Zito sometimes does not perform well under pressure. But check the stats. The guys wins and makes his starts consistently. Schmidt is on a decline but he is a solid 2 or 3 pitcher.[/QUOTE]

i have to agree with dom on this one. Zito is really durable for the long haul..he may be inconsistent at times..but i think if he had better run support, he wouldnt be looked down upon as most people do. lets face it..the As never had a good offense and thats what made him lose games and look inconsistent. they couldnt even hit a run off robertson in game 1 and left zito out in the cold. that curve ball would be really dominate in a weak NL> i hope the mets make a big push for him this offseason. schmidt is on the decline but he is still better than more than half of the league. ill still take him.
 
In the NL, I think zitto will be better for the next year or so, but look at the other 2 pitchers from the A's that went to the NL

Tim Hudson
REC 13-12 | SV 0 | ERA 4.86 | WHIP 1.44


Mark Mulder
REC 13-12 | SV 0 | ERA 4.86 | WHIP 1.44


You can argue that mulder was hurt, but it still was a mediocre season if you shave 2.00 er off his era


Zitto did have the best numbers, but isn't he somewhat flaky. Would a big city fuck him up like it has done to many other above avg pitchers. Over the past 3 years, his numbers vs decent teams

ANA 3 - 5 3.19 ERA
BOS 2 - 3 4.38
CHW 4 - 1 3.17
NYY 1 - 5 7.01

He is also below .500 in the past 3 years after the all star break, 18 - 21. He is a number 3 on a team that has a payroll of over 90mill. The yanks and red sox need pitching. In NY, he would be behind wang and mussina. In boston he would be behind Schilling, beckett, and I would put him behind pablebon as well. The mets are weak in starting pitching, and the only reason he would be ahead of glavine, is due to glavine in the back end of his career. 16mill a season for 4 years, is a lot to pay someone like zito for a guy that has more a tad over .500 years then he does dominant years. His last dominant year was 02. Since then 14 - 12, 11 - 11, 14 - 13, 16 - 10. It isn't like Oakland has been a bad team in those years. You can argue the weak offense, but Oakland has been in the playoffs, or in the hunt for the playoffs pretty much every year he has been there. They always seem to find a way to win. How do the other oakland pitchers get the W's and not him. Don't over rate either schmidt or zito, they are the best that is available, but hardly great pitchers

Would you put zitto ahead of j. santana or liranio on the twins? Would you put him ahead of garland, buherle or contreas on the whitesox? Is he even the best on his staff?
 
You can't really compare Mulder and Hudson to how Zito will do in the NL. Arroyo went from the AL to the NL and pitched a lot better. It's all on the individual and how long or short of a time they need to adjust to the new hitters and league. And if you want to talk about stats you naem Whitesox pitches but look at Buherles era this year. ANd look how bad Contras did in the second half. There offense if a lot more powerful then the A's. Zito would be a number one pitcher on a lot of teams. Maybe not the Yankees or Twins but I could name a bunch that he would be on. Also I'm not sure if I would put Zito behind Wang. If the Yanks got him I think it would be Mussina, Zito, Wang. Wang had a great year but it is only a year. Zito has been consistent. And all the seasons you listed his wins he has been in double digits. If you look at pitching and how it has changed that his pretty damn consitent. Maybe he is not worth the money that he is supposedly looking for but he still is a great pitcher.
 
he is consitently mediocre...I am sorry a game or 2 over .500 on a playoff team every year for the past 4 years is not a great pitcher. And arroyo's era dropped by 1.23. But his w/l is almost identical He puts up similiar numbers to zitto, he cost 3million. You take the first 8 - 10 starts away from arroyo, and he probably pitched the same in the nl as the al. As he was dominant for the first 8 or so games. Arroyo seaon 04, 10 - 9 4.03, seson 05 14 - 10 4.52, 06 14 - 11 3.29. A great pitcher is an 18 - 10 pitcher

and wang has been solid for 2 years...this year he was REC 19-6 | SV 1 | ERA 3.63 | WHIP 1.31

and his carerr is 27 - 11, with a 3.77 era in 52 appearances


You appear to a met fan, sign him to big money on the long term, and when he turns in a mediocre pitcher in a year or so, don't complain. There is a reason why some of the biggest pockets and baseball that desperatly need pitching aren't really interested in him. Neither the yanks or redsox have expressed much interest in getting him.

Great pitchers over the past couple of seasons

name year w - l era
schilling 06 15 - 7 3.97
05 8 - 9 5.69 *****injury from ankle
04 21 - 6 3.26
03 8 - 9 2,95 ****injury plagued
02 23 - 7 3.23

Halladay 06 16 - 5 3.19
05 12 - 4 2.41
04 8 - 8 4.2 ****injuries
03 22- 7 3.25

santana 06 19 - 6 2.77
05 16 - 7 2.88
04 20 - 6 2.61
03 12 - 3 3.07


It isn't like the twins are an offensive machine either
 
You are talking like Zito is a medicore pitcher when that is not true at all. Your are comparing him to soem of the best in the game. I'm not saying he is in the top ten but he is more than medicore. He might not worth the money he wants and I did state that. Compare him to number 2 or 3 starters and he is better than most. I think he is a good fit in NY behind Pedro not to be there number 1.
 
Weird question, but does anyone know who gets credit for a world series win? Is it just the players that actually play in the WS or is it anyone who played during the season, or is it just up to the team owner to buy rings or something? Do all the managers/doctors etc... get one?
 
the rings are up to the owners...i know when the redsox won in 04, they got a ring and gave a playoff share to nomar, even know he wasn't with the team. As for playoff share, I am not sure if that is the owners/management decision, or if it is a team vote. That I couldn't tell you, but I would imagine it comes from ownership/management. The players may have a voice it it though.

As for zitto, maybe I was too harsh on mediocre, but imo, him being a number 2 pitcher is not a world series caliber team, unless you have a very potent offense and a great bullpen. The sad thing is, most playoff contending teams need pitching and there is none available. You were calling him great, and great he is not. Great pitchers on shitty teams still put up the wins, and have great stats. Also, ny/boston/philly are tough markets to play for. Ask arod, and beltran was beat up all last year for the mets. I was driving thru NY at the begining of this season, and the fan radio network was demanding that randolph bat him 6th or 7th.
 
[quote name='ryanbph']the rings are up to the owners...i know when the redsox won in 04, they got a ring and gave a playoff share to nomar, even know he wasn't with the team. As for playoff share, I am not sure if that is the owners/management decision, or if it is a team vote. That I couldn't tell you, but I would imagine it comes from ownership/management. The players may have a voice it it though.

As for zitto, maybe I was too harsh on mediocre, but imo, him being a number 2 pitcher is not a world series caliber team, unless you have a very potent offense and a great bullpen. The sad thing is, most playoff contending teams need pitching and there is none available. You were calling him great, and great he is not. Great pitchers on shitty teams still put up the wins, and have great stats. Also, ny/boston/philly are tough markets to play for. Ask arod, and beltran was beat up all last year for the mets. I was driving thru NY at the begining of this season, and the fan radio network was demanding that randolph bat him 6th or 7th.[/quote]

IIRC, in the past playes vote on who gets shares of the money. It includes players who no longer play for the team, clubhouse poeple, or anyone else connected with the team.

Zito is a solid pitcher, not great but not a peice oc crap either. He can be great and he can be god awful. He could be the ace on some teams, but most of those teams are horrible. Would I take him as a Dodger fan, hell yeah. But not for some extreme amount of money 4-5 mil per year tops.
 
[quote name='Jedi1979']Mets Win! only 7 more needed;)[/QUOTE]
Hell yeah. Great game by glavine. Beltrans shot was a bomb. Of course wagner had to make it a little interesting in the end like usual. Big win though.
 
[quote name='DomLando']Hell yeah. Great game by glavine. Beltrans shot was a bomb. Of course wagner had to make it a little interesting in the end like usual. Big win though.[/quote]

i was surprised Floyd started but it was a blessing that he left early with that great catch by Endy...
 
[quote name='Jedi1979']i was surprised Floyd started but it was a blessing that he left early with that great catch by Endy...[/QUOTE]
Yeah I thought that was a bad move starting him. They should keep him on the bench for his bat if the need it and start chavez.
 
[quote name='DomLando']Yeah I thought that was a bad move starting him. They should keep him on the bench for his bat if the need it and start chavez.[/QUOTE]

yeah when i heard they started floyd i was truly worried. i missed the game due to work =( but atleast i know they took it to weaver....well looks like larussa dealt us his cards...we got carpenter for game 2 against big john maine. man is this a good time to get nervous or what hehe.

i think the biggest knack against zito is his inconsistency. i agree with what everyone says about him. he is not a solid number 1...but could be a decent numjber 2 or 3. im still sticking to my pt that the As offense was terrible behind him...they never really gave him a chance to win consisntently.

anyway looks like the Alfonso Soriano sweeopstakes will start this summer..he just rejected a 5 year 70 million deal from the nats.
 
Weaver pitched extremly well. He made one mistake to Beltran and that was the game. You missed a great defensive game by the Mets. Beltran had a nice double play and glavine pitched great. The rain out gave the Cardnials and edge in that they are able to pitch Carpenter now in Game 2 instead of 3. Mets need a big offensive game tomorrow.
 
no more oakland a's? :whistle2:(
a's owner purchased land in fremont, ca and plan to build a ball park there because oakland is not willing to fund for a new park. they could be renamed San Jose A's of Fremont ala the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim. the reason they can't be named the san jose a's is because the Giants own the San jose area, like the Dodgers own the LA area.
 
I find it interesting that most pro teams want the state/city to help pay for new stadiums. Here in MA, they don't chip in at all. When the patriots built the new stadium a couple years back, it was fully funded by the teams owner. He is now making a shit load of money, as the team is popular and he owns everything about them. Why would a state/city want to pay to have a pro team stay? If you own a pro team, you are loaded, cough up some money and invest in your team.
 
[quote name='vrs1650']IIRC, in the past playes vote on who gets shares of the money. It includes players who no longer play for the team, clubhouse poeple, or anyone else connected with the team.

Zito is a solid pitcher, not great but not a peice oc crap either. He can be great and he can be god awful. He could be the ace on some teams, but most of those teams are horrible. Would I take him as a Dodger fan, hell yeah. But not for some extreme amount of money 4-5 mil per year tops.[/quote]
If he took that to be a Dodger, he'd be insane. Why play in a big market like that, if you're not going to cash in at all?
 
[quote name='ryanbph']I find it interesting that most pro teams want the state/city to help pay for new stadiums. Here in MA, they don't chip in at all. When the patriots built the new stadium a couple years back, it was fully funded by the teams owner. He is now making a shit load of money, as the team is popular and he owns everything about them. Why would a state/city want to pay to have a pro team stay? If you own a pro team, you are loaded, cough up some money and invest in your team.[/QUOTE]


Yeah it sucks. It seems most cities are willing to pay mostly because other cities are willing to. Fear of losing the team if they don't pay seems to be a motivator. If no city would pay, the owners wouldn't have a problem building the stadiums, but since they can basically get free money from the local governmtents they might as well go that route.
 
[quote name='javeryh']If Zito goes to the NL he will dominate. Hopefully the Mets will show him the money.[/quote]

and hopefully the Yankees stay out of it as well;) Zito would be a nice fit especially with our offense:)
 
[quote name='Jedi1979']and hopefully the Yankees stay out of it as well;) Zito would be a nice fit especially with our offense:)[/QUOTE]

agreed just like arroyo he has the chance to dominate in the NL with a great offense like the Mets.
 
As of yet the yanks have shown no interest in him. But there starting staff is worse then the mets, so they might jump in the sweepstakes. Unless they trade arod for starting pitching, ie the angels.
 
[quote name='ryanbph']As of yet the yanks have shown no interest in him. But there starting staff is worse then the mets, so they might jump in the sweepstakes. Unless they trade arod for starting pitching, ie the angels.[/QUOTE]


i wonder what the angels would give up tho? most likely colon or escobar...i cant see them giving up santana or weaver. those two are gonna be studs.
 
arroyo didn't dominate. He has a funky curve, so his first time thru he dominated. He is a great pitcher for his cost, but he is far from dominate. He also rolled off 10 straight in the AL. Dominant pitchers win more then 15 games on a regular basis.
 
Well according to gammons, the angels would give up santana. The owner is pissed they have no one to protect vlad in the lineup, he is pissed they didn't play well this year, and he has money and the most high level talent in the minors in pro baseball. There is other options though, as they could sign a sheffield or carlos lee. Gammons felt the sox could get santana, and a mid level prospect, but the sox would need to each at least 5million of mannys contract
 
Damn early starts.

Tigers stake an early 2 run lead. Loving the offense this series. A's just don't have the run production to come back game after game. Hoping Kenny saved some of his magic from the Yankees start.
 
John Maine vs. Chris Carpenter... It pains me to say, but I'm going to have to go with the Cards tonight. Who knows though, anything can happen.

GO METS!!
 
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[quote name='encendido5']John Maine vs. Chris Carpenter... It pains me to say, but I'm going to have to go with the Cards tonight. Who knows though, anything can happen.

GO METS!![/QUOTE]
Mets need some big offense tonight. Can't wait for the start. If they win tonoight they are in VERY good shape.
 
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