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Every single fight was awesome this time around, including the free Spike prelims! That Gerald Harris VS Dave Branch fight on spike was awesome and got me hype to just buy into the event. I'm glad I bought in last minute it was all worth it, now to pay the cable bill..... :cry:
 
What looked like a shitty card turned out to be excellent, and the main event was epic as well. Didn't see submission of the night coming from that match. Great show
 
[quote name='BigPopov']Carwin didn't just "make a mistake," he was totally outclassed. He went a whole 2 or 3 minutes before turning into a slug.

Fighters with a killer bomb are a dime a dozen. My comment about being a true champion rests in Carwin's ability to rebound after this fight. The greats would get defeated, train thier asses off and come back, mistakes/shortcoming fixed and show the world it was a fluke. IMO the true test of being a real champ comes when you're defeated and exposed.[/QUOTE]

You seem to have a bit of an axe to grind with Carwin. I don't understand how Carwin didn't prove that he is championship material. Before last night no one had come close to dominating Lesnar like he did in the 1st round. He also stopped Lesnar from taking him down in the 1st round when Lesnar tried it a couple times. No one had been able to prevent a Lesnar takedown before. Carwin gassed and got caught in a submission. It's not like he looked bad in that fight. He looked to me like he certainly belonged in there.

As for Lesnar he looked very impressive last night. We didn't really get to see how good his standup was but his ground game obviously has vastly improved. I never thought Lesnar would have won by submission and it was also very impressive how he was able to weather the storm in round 1, which nobody had been able to do against Carwin. I was also glad to see Lesnar humble after the fight. I don't know if it was because he almost lost the fight or that he came close to dieing, but I hope he acts like this after fights from now on. I won't hate Lesnar near as much if he doesn't act like a prick anymore. Having said that I will still be rooting for Velasquez. :lol:

Overall a great night of fights. Top to bottom this was probably the best card I can remember in quite a while.
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']I'd call that being untested more than being "exposed". Since Brock got the shit rocked out of him in the first round, are we going to say that his chin got "exposed"? [/QUOTE]

No because Brocks chin wasn't his downfall. If anything, he proved that he's got a chin of granite.

Carwin was exposed for having zero cardio, period. There is no possible way to argue against that.
 
I really thought Lesnar would lose one coming back from illness but I guess he's the Lebron of the MMA, a freak of nature.
 
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[quote name='SEH']No because Brocks chin wasn't his downfall. If anything, he proved that he's got a chin of granite.

Carwin was exposed for having zero cardio, period. There is no possible way to argue against that.[/QUOTE]

Yes, by getting rocked and almost put away, he proved he's got a chin of granite... BTW, how do Brock's balls taste? A better, more disciplined strategy from Carwin in round one, and Lesnar would have lost. Period. As bg88 mentioned, nobody had even shown Brock to be vulnerable before this fight. Carwin did that...and a smarter fighter (possibly even Carwin again somewhere down the road) will take advantage of that.
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']Yes, by getting rocked and almost put away, he proved he's got a chin of granite... BTW, how do Brock's balls taste? A better, more disciplined strategy from Carwin in round one, and Lesnar would have lost. Period. As bg88 mentioned, nobody had even shown Brock to be vulnerable before this fight. Carwin did that...and a smarter fighter (possibly even Carwin again somewhere down the road) will take advantage of that.[/QUOTE]

You do realize Carwin has got one of the hardest punches in the UFC right? Taking shot after shot to the face and not getting knocked out by Carwin means your have a ridiculously strong chin. Getting rocked =/= getting knocked out (not sure if you know the difference).

If Carwin had any cardio whatsoever, he would've won. Instead, he spent his tank in the first three minutes of the fight. If Carwin couldnt put Brock away with his devastating punches, there isnt really anyone who poses a threat (dont even mention CV since that's a joke).

You can say I have Brocks balls in my mouth, but it just makes you look like a tool who's only defense is to insult the other guy. You arent making any valid points. I patiently await your response spouting the same non-points and insults.
 
carwin was fucking tired as hell going into the second. it's no wonder he hasn't gone past the first round with anyone. he wears himself out WAY to fast going for the huge knockout. I think both fighters learned some shit tonight. Lesnar loved the challenge and in the end he made Carwin tap like a bitch. Once Lesnar gets you on the ground you might as well give up. He's a beast. Enough said.
 
[quote name='BigPopov']Carwin didn't just "make a mistake," he was totally outclassed. [/QUOTE]

What? Carwin was OUTCLASSED by Lesnar...... really? Dude, the first round was almost a 10-8 for Carwin, and it could have been stopped, sreiously I've seen fights stopped way earlier for less. Now I am very glad it wasn't stopped because that would've been bad for everyone (except Carwin lol) but c'mon he wasn't outclassed by Lesnar, that's a joke. Just because you completely gas out and lose to someone doesn't mean you were outclassed, that means you really need to go back to the drawing board on your cardio/gameplan. Saying Lesnar outclassed Carwin is a complete slap in the face to Carwin and anyone who actually knows what the hell MMA is. Brock was better last night, but not by a landslide or anything. They are very similar fighters in a lot of ways.


BTW- is anyone having trouble watching the UFC post event press conference? I get about 10 minutes into it and it freezes up on me, both on Sherdog and the official UFC website.
 
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[quote name='cgarb84']BTW- is anyone having trouble watching the UFC post event press conference? I get about 10 minutes into it and it freezes up on me, both on Sherdog and the official UFC website.[/QUOTE]

Send an email to them noting technical issues, that's what my friends and I did. It's been going on since last night and still hasn't been fixed unfortunately but I think if enough people let them know about it, it'll get fixed.

[quote name='SEH']I had no problems watching the post fight presser last night after the PPV.[/QUOTE]

You probably watched the live stream of it but the replay of it is the one that's having problems.
 
Lesnar just falling backwards with his hands on his head dropping to the ground isn't exposing him?

Carwin yes has no cardio, he tried to seize the moment and take down the giant when he fell backwards. Brock does have a hell of a chin since he was never in risk of being knocked out but allowed Carwin to swing away for 2-3minutes straight....Brock had no answer for someone ontop of him.

If anyone can handle brocks take down attempt...and has any sorta standup should make brock look silly again....sadly I dont know the heavyweight division well enough to think of a possible opponent. I don't think Dos Santos has a shot against Brock.
 
[quote name='naiku']Lesnar just falling backwards with his hands on his head dropping to the ground isn't exposing him?

Carwin yes has no cardio, he tried to seize the moment and take down the giant when he fell backwards. Brock does have a hell of a chin since he was never in risk of being knocked out but allowed Carwin to swing away for 2-3minutes straight....Brock had no answer for someone ontop of him.

If anyone can handle brocks take down attempt...and has any sorta standup should make brock look silly again....sadly I dont know the heavyweight division well enough to think of a possible opponent. I don't think Dos Santos has a shot against Brock.[/QUOTE]

We all knew Carwin had some devastating punching power. Brock falling backwards and covering up after taking multiple blows to the head doesn't expose him, that's what was expected if Carwin were to land some shots (which he obviously did). As I've said, if anything it proves he has a rock solid chin since Carwin couldn't finish him off.

Dos Santos right now, I don't think he'd beat Brock. Give him a few more fights under his belt though and I think he has a legitimate shot. He's almost at that next level.

We're for sure getting Valasquez/Lesnar next, Dana said that last night during the presser. While CV has the definite speed advantage, he doesn't have the size, power, or wrestling advantage. Also, his boxing game, while good, doesn't pack a lot of power (look back at the CV/Kongo fight, he hit Kongo with a bunch of good shots but Kongo didn't have a mark on him, he also couldnt put him away). Also, you may say "well, he knocked out Nog in his last fight". I think that says more about Nog than CV.

After the CV/Lesnar fight though, I'm not really sure where they go. Possibly the winner of Dos Santos/Nelson gets a shot.
 
That was an amazing UFC last night!

I think Carwin would have won if he would have paced himself. He should have let him up after the 8 ground shots didn't land flush and just stand with a dazzed Brock. Also Brock does not have a solid chin, to have one you have to take a huge shot and still be standing unphased.
 
[quote name='cgarb84']and it could have been stopped, sreiously I've seen fights stopped way earlier for less.[/QUOTE]

This was a title match and Lesnar was intelligently defending himself the entire time he was down. Brock was constantly pushing Carwin away, covering his face, controlling Carwin's hands. I don't remember the ref even warning Lesnar, he was nowhere near stopping the fight.

I like Dos Santos too I hope he isn't thrown in too early. If he works on his game a little more he can be an amazing matchup. I couldn't see Roy Nelson holding up though.
 
[quote name='BigPopov']This was a title match and Lesnar was intelligently defending himself the entire time he was down. Brock was constantly pushing Carwin away, covering his face, controlling Carwin's hands. I don't remember the ref even warning Lesnar, he was nowhere near stopping the fight.

I like Dos Santos too I hope he isn't thrown in too early. If he works on his game a little more he can be an amazing matchup. I couldn't see Roy Nelson holding up though.[/QUOTE]

If you would have read the next sentence I wrote I said I was glad it wasn't stopped and it shouldn't have been, but I have seen fights stopped at that point before, unjustly or not. At one point Lesnar turtled up for a few seconds when Carwin was raining down punches, that was getting close to a stoppage. Seriously, sometimes fights are stopped in those situations whether the guy is taking damage or not. People act as if Lesnar wasn't getting his ass kicked all over the cage in the first round when he was. The fucking nuthugging going on here makes me wonder if I am actually on the Sherdog forum right now.
 
[quote name='blueweltall']That was an amazing UFC last night!

I think Carwin would have won if he would have paced himself. He should have let him up after the 8 ground shots didn't land flush and just stand with a dazzed Brock. Also Brock does not have a solid chin, to have one you have to take a huge shot and still be standing unphased.[/QUOTE]

Yeah I am surprised he did not let him back up. While he did not outclass Carwin, he showed he can take punishment and still continue on and the fight shows Carwin has no gas tank at all.

Really a great fucking card, I would pay 45 bucks everytime for that. 117 looks very entertaining as well. Its crazy that the next contender could be Roy Nelson, thats if he beats Dos Santos. I don't believe that Cain poses a real threat at all.
 
I'm not a MMA fan at all....but Brock made that crap exciting as hell

Him and Silva are just fun to watch
 
[quote name='SEH']We all knew Carwin had some devastating punching power. Brock falling backwards and covering up after taking multiple blows to the head doesn't expose him, that's what was expected if Carwin were to land some shots (which he obviously did). As I've said, if anything it proves he has a rock solid chin since Carwin couldn't finish him off.

Dos Santos right now, I don't think he'd beat Brock. Give him a few more fights under his belt though and I think he has a legitimate shot. He's almost at that next level.

We're for sure getting Valasquez/Lesnar next, Dana said that last night during the presser. While CV has the definite speed advantage, he doesn't have the size, power, or wrestling advantage. Also, his boxing game, while good, doesn't pack a lot of power (look back at the CV/Kongo fight, he hit Kongo with a bunch of good shots but Kongo didn't have a mark on him, he also couldnt put him away). Also, you may say "well, he knocked out Nog in his last fight". I think that says more about Nog than CV.

After the CV/Lesnar fight though, I'm not really sure where they go. Possibly the winner of Dos Santos/Nelson gets a shot.[/QUOTE]White said that the winner of that fight gets the next shot after Cain.
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Like others have said, this whole card including the prelims on Spike were fucking great.
 
according to Shane his body "seized up" at the end of the 1st round. he was in his corner between rounds and told his corner he could barely move.

he decided to still try to go out and finish despite the situation and got pwned. mad props for trying. lesnar got the win through a bit of luck and BJJ training with my trainer Rodrigo "Comprido" Medieros (one of best BJJ'ers in the US).

i still don't think i'd pick lesnar in a rematch.
 
Better question: Did Akiyama catch his breath yet?

UFC 116: NIGHT OF ZOMBIE-FU!!

I was disappointed at first to see Lesnar win Sub of the Night because I thought Leben had the crazier sub win. But I'm glad it picked up MotN honors along with Bonnar-Soszynski. Speaking of the night honors, does anybody have a GIF of the crazy powerbomb-chokeslam KO from Gerald Harris. He held back the punches because he knew he might have just killed a man with that slam.

The main event answered the unknowns for me: One, Carwin has no cardio. Two, Brock can be knocked down and possibly out. If it weren't for the former, their could have been a title change. However, I can't disrespect Brock because that arm triangle just showed me that he's willing to learn and improve. The pretending to be humble act with a shit-eating grin still rubs me the wrong way though.
 
[quote name='ced']Speaking of the night honors, does anybody have a GIF of the crazy powerbomb-chokeslam KO from Gerald Harris. He held back the punches because he knew he might have just killed a man with that slam.[/QUOTE]

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I fucking love Rogan's reaction.
 
I'm going to read back in this thread a bit, but I am so proud of myself for ordering last night's card. That was one of the best fight cards the UFC has put out in a long time. I'm a UFC faithful (have been since way back in the day - of course, living in Vegas), but some of their PPVs have been rather erratic and unimpressive lately. This one was truly epic. Every fight was awesome. I enjoyed each and every fight. I don't think anyone expected that ending to the Lesnar fight. (don't know if I can put in spoilers yet or not)
 
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I fucking love Rogan's reaction.[/QUOTE]

I kept hearing about this slam/fight. Did they show this on this PPV at all? I only saw one undercard fight after the Lesnar fight. Where was this shown?
 
[quote name='hiccupleftovers']I kept hearing about this slam/fight. Did they show this on this PPV at all? I only saw one undercard fight after the Lesnar fight. Where was this shown?[/QUOTE]

It was on the preliminary show on Spike before the PPV along with Romero/Petruzelli and Schaub/Tuchscherer
 
Not trying to take anything away from Lesnar, but does anyone else think Lytle deserved "Submission of the Night" honors over Lesnar? That kimura was sick.
 
[quote name='Ugamer_X']Not trying to take anything away from Lesnar, but does anyone else think Lytle deserved "Submission of the Night" honors over Lesnar? That kimura was sick.[/QUOTE]

Absolutely. That match was so intense. They were both gassed but neither one of them could muster up the energy to finish the job.
 
[quote name='Ugamer_X']Not trying to take anything away from Lesnar, but does anyone else think Lytle deserved "Submission of the Night" honors over Lesnar? That kimura was sick.[/QUOTE]

Yeah I'm kind of pissed about that. I mean Lesnar made what, $500,000 minimum last night? Then he gets a $75,000 SOTN bonus when Lytle probably made 30,000 for his fight and he gets nothing. And besides the money Lytle's submission was a great one, very unusual and very skilled. Lesnar just got it because it was such a shocking outcome.
 
Don't trip, White is taking care of them.
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"Some MMA fans felt Lesnar's massive payday was reward enough, but White believes guaranteed money can't play a role in who gets the night's bonuses.

Besides, after what the UFC boss called the "greatest night of fights" he's ever seen, more money is on the way.

"Whoever deserves the check deserves the check," White told MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com). "If anybody disagrees that Brock Lesnar was the 'Submission of the Night,' please speak now; you're out of your mind.

"Nobody expected him to win by submission."

...White said not to worry. Those who put it all on the line would not be walking home unhappy.

"What I expect of these guys is I expect these guys to go out and perform," White said. "Let me tell you this, and I mean it, we're writing some [expletive] checks tonight. We're writing checks – more than what you heard here tonight. Guys are going to get well taken care of tonight.

"Tonight was the greatest night of fights I've ever seen. There's going to be some happy [expletives] skipping out of the MGM tonight, I'll tell you that right now."

http://mmajunkie.com/news/19806/aft...6-fight-card-more-bonus-checks-on-the-way.mma
 
Yeah, not surprised that Dana is in a giving mood. He just had an amazing week. Fedor loses, "validating" Dana's claims that he's overrated. Strikeforce's heavyweight division is a mess...potentially giving two title shots in a row to guys coming off losses. And the UFC had one of its best cards ever, showing the world (and the weasels at M-1 Global) why it's the premiere organization for MMA. I'd say Dana's riding pretty high right now, haha.
 
A buddy of mine usually orders the UFC PPV's, but, I have to drive 40 miles one-way to see them. (And, nobody airs them in my town.)

Decided to order last night's, simply because I've seen all of Lesnar's other matches. Goodness, none of the matches disappointed! One of the best events I could've purchased, for sure!
 
Yikes 2 out of 5, glad I didn't put money down on this one.

Holy shit that was one hell of a night of fights, best ppv I have seen in awhile!

I went back and worth for several weeks on Lesner vs Carwin "Chin vs Stamina" which would prevail? Well as we saw Brock's Chin won.
I have to give props to Brock he took some good shots from Carwin and got back up I never though for a second he would submit someone. I would love to see a rematch once Carwin gets some cardio. Leben really impressed me taking the fight on two weeks notice after he was in a war with the Atrain a few weeks ago. Bonnar finally got another win! Lytle was Lytle nuff said. I have not watched the prelims yet but sounds like they were amazing too!
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My God, James Toney is a freaking moron. Here are some responses he gave about his fight with Couture being at a catchweight, and what he thinks of people saying his 5'10" fat ass might be better suited for Light Heavyweight.

They want to make it easy for Randy," Toney told MMAjunkie.com at a media function promoting the UFC 118 bout. "They're trying to please him. Whatever they want to do, we can do it.
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Yeah. It has nothing to do with the fact that Randy hasn't fought at HW since his fight with Nogueira... If Toney thinks he's too good for one of the greatest champions the sport has ever seen, throw him in with Lesnar and let him get destroyed.

"I could fight at 205, but why should I?" Toney asked. "Me not being effective against Brock Lesnar, that's crazy. I fought Sam Peter. Sam Peter is bigger than he is. I fought Hasim Rahman. He's bigger than him. I fought John Ruiz. He's bigger than him.

Everybody I fought the last eight or nine years is bigger than me. They outweighed me, and I never had a problem with it.
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Does he not realize that takedowns are allowed in MMA? His reasoning for why he won't have any trouble with guys like Lesnar or Carwin is that he's BOXED bigger guys in the past. Hello? McFly? Hello???

As far as takedowns go, I welcome them. If he tries to take me down, it's going to be a short night for him - a very short night.
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Well, at least he's got that part right. Anybody who takes him down will finish him pretty damn quick.
 
Yeah, his quote about fighting bigger guys made me laugh pretty hard. I'd love to see him fight Lesnar because during that first takedown (which would come like five seconds into the fight) you know you'd visibly be able to see him thinking "what the fuck did I get myself into?".

Such a delusional old man. I have no desire to see his fight and I'm not a huge fan of Randy, but I hope Randy destroys him.
 
Lesnar shouldn't have a ton of trouble with Velasquez. He will lose the striking war for sure, but I doubt if even a solid wrestler like Brown Pride will be able to take Lesnar down. If Velasquez can hurt him though, he will get stopped. Velasquez won't tire and will eventually finish the job, but I don't think he will hurt him or if he does Lesnar won't be "Carwin hurt". Velasquez doesn't punch as hard as Carwin does.
 
Yeah, that fight's going to come down to whether or not Cain can keep Lesnar from taking him down. If he can, he's got a good shot at winning. If not, forget it.
 
If Cain can stop Lesnar's takedowns, which I doubt, then he wins the fight. If Lesnar can't wrestle Cain (I already am pretty sure Cain can't wrestle Lesnar), then it becomes a striking war and Brown Pride wins that war.
 
BTW, why do people consider Couture to be a great champion and a great fighter? The guy's like 18-12, and he's the legend of the sport? Granted, he's done some great things in the past way back in the day, but he has never been a guy to dominate everyone for a long stretch of time like say A. Silva, the Gracies, Shogun Rua (he beat Machida the first time!), Big Nog, Fedor.
 
[quote name='Thekrakrabbit']BTW, why do people consider Couture to be a great champion and a great fighter? The guy's like 18-12, and he's the legend of the sport? Granted, he's done some great things in the past way back in the day, but he has never been a guy to dominate everyone for a long stretch of time like say A. Silva, the Gracies, Shogun Rua (he beat Machida the first time!), Big Nog, Fedor.[/QUOTE]

Multiple title reigns in two different divisions, not to mention a title win at an age at which most would usually be considered inviable as a fighter. His losses get overlooked since he historically fought quality opponents (Both Tito and Chuck in their primes, Big Nog, Enson Inoue(~!), Brock) with very little can action in between.
 
[quote name='ced']Multiple title reigns in two different divisions, not to mention a title win at an age at which most would usually be considered inviable as a fighter. His losses get overlooked since he historically fought quality opponents (Both Tito and Chuck in their primes, Big Nog, Enson Inoue(~!), Brock) with very little can action in between.[/QUOTE]

Exactly, not to mention Vitor Belfort, Pedro Rizzo, Jeremy Horn, Josh Barnett, Ricco Rodriguez, etc.

UFC 13 Heavyweight Tournament Winner
UFC Heavyweight Championship (3 times)
UFC Light Heavyweight Championship (2 times)
Interim UFC Light Heavyweight championship (1 time)
Most Championship reigns in UFC history (6 times)
Most Championship fights in UFC history (15 times)
Oldest fighter to win a title in UFC history (43 years, 255 days)
First fighter to hold Championship titles in two weight classes
UFC Hall of Famer
2x Fight of the Night Honors
 
I'm not saying his accomplishments were anything to undersell, I'm just saying that when it came to fighting elite guys he usually lost. He beat A- guys, but IMO never quite breached that highest echelon of competition.
 
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