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Anyone else catch Tim Syliva just getting owned by what I considered one of the weaker guys on TUF 10?I suppose shouldn't be too much of a surprise seeing as Big Tim let himself go again coming at at like 311 but figured Timmy would win it.Abe Wagner looked in better shape then he did for TUF.I guess this puts an end to his chance at rejoining a major promotion for a while.
 
Well just bought UFC Seattle tickets and a local MMA show tickets. Add to that one of our fighters getting a shot at Kid Yamamoto and this is an epic MMA period for me.
 
[quote name='Kuroi Kaze']Well just bought UFC Seattle tickets and a local MMA show tickets. Add to that one of our fighters getting a shot at Kid Yamamoto and this is an epic MMA period for me.[/QUOTE]

mighty mouse is awesome. that guy would own 125 lb division.
 
i just saw him on saturday. his sponsor was at our gym molding mouthpieces for our fighters. i told him we're petitioning dana hard to get that fight aired.
 
[quote name='Kuroi Kaze']i just saw him on saturday. his sponsor was at our gym molding mouthpieces for our fighters. i told him we're petitioning dana hard to get that fight aired.[/QUOTE]

that fight is as sure an exciting fight as any fight on any card, not airing it is a travesty.
 
there's a twitter hashtag like #kidonspikeprelims or something to try and get dana's attention since he's a known twitter whore.
 
Vitor Belfort is going to pull the upset and defeat Anderson Silva to become the new UFC Middleweight Champion.... I hope.:D I'm a huge fan of Belfort and him and Wanderlei Silva are my two favorite middleweights in the game.


Rich Franklin and Forrest Griffin is going to be a war, but I got Franklin by KO or UD.

I'm thinking Jones will defeat Bader by GnP. Bader's cardio has been in question recently and I think he will want to take the fight to the ground, but he is going to have a difficult time doing so. Bader had trouble taking down Lil Nog at UFC 119 and Lil Nog has been known for not having greatest takedown defense. Jones has just been dismantling people and I can't see him losing this fight.

I got Miguel Torres defeating Antonio Banuelos and Rocha to upset Ellenberger.

Can't wait for this card!! Lets go Vitor its time for war!!!! :twoguns:
 
Main card


[edit] Preliminary card (Spike TV)


[edit] Preliminary card


Gonna go with:

Anderson - Not really sure how Vitor wins this unless he just gets lucky.
Griffin - I think he's the bigger tougher dog in this fight and can triumph.
Jones - I think fearless aggression and kicks could break Bader's mental game.
Torres - He's gotta be the favorite but this fight could go either way.
Cerrone - He's a beast and has all the tools to win.
Omigawa - He's very tough to beat but Mendes may be able to stall this one out.
Taylor - I'm kinda shocked Gabe is even allowed to fight in the UFC.
Mighty Mouse - I'm biased here, but I think DJ wants it more.
 
[quote name='Kuroi Kaze']Main card


[edit] Preliminary card (Spike TV)


[edit] Preliminary card


Gonna go with:

Anderson - Not really sure how Vitor wins this unless he just gets lucky.
Griffin - I think he's the bigger tougher dog in this fight and can triumph.
Jones - I think fearless aggression and kicks could break Bader's mental game.
Torres - He's gotta be the favorite but this fight could go either way.
Cerrone - He's a beast and has all the tools to win.
Omigawa - He's very tough to beat but Mendes may be able to stall this one out.
Taylor - I'm kinda shocked Gabe is even allowed to fight in the UFC.
Mighty Mouse - I'm biased here, but I think DJ wants it more.[/QUOTE]

I haven't heard of the guys from any of the others but the top 3 fights. I gotta pull for Forrest, since he is from Athens. And I am tired of Anderson so i am pulling for Vitor. And I am thinking Jones's expierience will lead to his victory over Bader
 
Anderson
rich
Jones
Torres - i think this is a lock.
Cerrone
Omigawa - though i have a feeling mendes is going to lay on him and grind a dec.
Taylor
Mighty Mouse - I think theres going to be significant rust on kid, and mm isnt the type of fighter that is going to let him work it off. I think it would be good to see kid get a win in his debut but i think mm is too fast and too aggressive. kid can end the fight in one shot though, should be an awesome fight.
 
[quote name='Thekrakrabbit']People are overestimating Miguel Torres, I will say that.[/QUOTE]

negative, punchers chance is all banuelos has.
 
[quote name='paz9x']negative, punchers chance is all banuelos has.[/QUOTE]

So what? You trying to tell me Miguel Torres has a fantastic chin? Dude got knocked out by freakin' Brian Bowles, who was not relevant at ALL before beating Torres, and disappeared off radar again after getting stopped by Dominick Cruz.

Banuelos on the other hand already beat Jorgensen once and nearly knocked him out in the first round of their rematch. That sounds like Banuelos has a good shot to win.

P.S. If you knew anything about betting, you would realize that Torres is like -500 favorite. He's supposed to win, but Banuelos is not to be counted out in this fight.
 
[quote name='Thekrakrabbit']So what? You trying to tell me Miguel Torres has a fantastic chin? Dude got knocked out by freakin' Brian Bowles, who was not relevant at ALL before beating Torres, and disappeared off radar again after getting stopped by Dominick Cruz.

Banuelos on the other hand already beat Jorgensen once and nearly knocked him out in the first round of their rematch. That sounds like Banuelos has a good shot to win.

P.S. If you knew anything about betting, you would realize that Torres is like -500 favorite. He's supposed to win, but Banuelos is not to be counted out in this fight.[/QUOTE]

actually bowles was relevant, has good some good wins, and hasnt fought due to injury and will be in the upper echelon of that division when he returns.

banuelos has also never looked as good or dangerous as miguel has.

Like I said he has a punchers chance, he can KO miguel. hes not going to outpoint him or outwork him. hes nto goign to try and wrestle him and the only way he subs him is if, like benevidez, he rocks him and slaps a sub on a delerious torres.

And yes ive seen the lines for all the posted fights on 126.

You said torres was being overestimated, i disagreed, you dont need to try and show your superiority by referencing betting lines. You could simply convey disagreement by posting counterpoints, instead you supported my original opinion, that banuelos has a punchers chance.
 
[quote name='paz9x']actually bowles was relevant, has good some good wins, and hasnt fought due to injury and will be in the upper echelon of that division when he returns.

banuelos has also never looked as good or dangerous as miguel has.

Like I said he has a punchers chance, he can KO miguel. hes not going to outpoint him or outwork him. hes nto goign to try and wrestle him and the only way he subs him is if, like benevidez, he rocks him and slaps a sub on a delerious torres.

And yes ive seen the lines for all the posted fights on 126.

You said torres was being overestimated, i disagreed, you dont need to try and show your superiority by referencing betting lines. You could simply convey disagreement by posting counterpoints, instead you supported my original opinion, that banuelos has a punchers chance.[/QUOTE]


I'm just saying, you posted your picks for the card with "lock" next to Torres' name. By no means he is a "lock", and there are certainly much better guys on the card who are all but guaranteed to win. Banuelos is the MUCH better striker, and the only thing Torres can do to win is try and take him down and outgrapple him. If he doesn't do that, he will be in danger for the whole fight. He's not as good a striker and doesn't have nearly enough power to stop Banuelos IMO.

Miguel gets too much hype for beating up mostly bums during his massive win streak. He's not a terrible fighter, but "Mr. I Can Beat Floyd Mayweather In A Boxing Match" is not nearly as good as he, or most people, think he is.

P.S. Brian Bowles is not great. His striking is somewhat tight, but he won't beat Cruz or Benevidez and probably not even Jorgensen, all of whom are "upper echelon" fighters.
 
[quote name='Thekrakrabbit']I'm just saying, you posted your picks for the card with "lock" next to Torres' name. By no means he is a "lock", and there are certainly much better guys on the card who are all but guaranteed to win. Banuelos is the MUCH better striker, and the only thing Torres can do to win is try and take him down and outgrapple him. If he doesn't do that, he will be in danger for the whole fight. He's not as good a striker and doesn't have nearly enough power to stop Banuelos IMO.

Miguel gets too much hype for beating up mostly bums during his massive win streak. He's not a terrible fighter, but "Mr. I Can Beat Floyd Mayweather In A Boxing Match" is not nearly as good as he, or most people, think he is.

P.S. Brian Bowles is not great. His striking is somewhat tight, but he won't beat Cruz or Benevidez and probably not even Jorgensen, all of whom are "upper echelon" fighters.[/QUOTE]

now theres a decent post with supported opinions, i like it.

I think torres win is the most sure thing on the card. its my opinion, i disagree with him being the far worse striker in that fight. i personally think torres is going to demolish banuelos impressively. You know up until a couple fights ago he trained himself since carlson gracie died. he now trains with firas zahabi and looked very good in his fight with valencia. he completely outclassed valencia on the feet, something banuelos looked comparable to on the feet.

also, i think torres was overhyped during his run. hes a very good fighter who is extremely entertaining imo, i love his style.

really, i think we'll see the best torres in this fight and hell get progressively better.

also bowles is good and fights between him jorgensen, and benavediz would be pretty good imo and hopefully we get to see them.
 
[quote name='paz9x']now theres a decent post with supported opinions, i like it.

I think torres win is the most sure thing on the card. its my opinion, i disagree with him being the far worse striker in that fight. i personally think torres is going to demolish banuelos impressively. You know up until a couple fights ago he trained himself since carlson gracie died. he now trains with firas zahabi and looked very good in his fight with valencia. he completely outclassed valencia on the feet, something banuelos looked comparable to on the feet.

also, i think torres was overhyped during his run. hes a very good fighter who is extremely entertaining imo, i love his style.

really, i think we'll see the best torres in this fight and hell get progressively better.

also bowles is good and fights between him jorgensen, and benavediz would be pretty good imo and hopefully we get to see them.[/QUOTE]

As far as most certain fights on the card, IMO Chad Mendes and Mike Pierce are extremely easy fights for both favorites. Both are very good wrestlers and their respective opponents won't be able to do anything off of their backs. In the Pierce/Robertson fight's case, Pierce also has great striking advantage.

Some guys have been talking about the fights over here on that forum if anyone is interesting in checking that awesome community out.
 
[quote name='Thekrakrabbit']As far as most certain fights on the card, IMO Chad Mendes and Mike Pierce are extremely easy fights for both favorites. Both are very good wrestlers and their respective opponents won't be able to do anything off of their backs. In the Pierce/Robertson fight's case, Pierce also has great striking advantage.

Some guys have been talking about the fights over here on that forum if anyone is interesting in checking that awesome community out.[/QUOTE]

you might be right on the pierce fight, i just couldnt say since ive never seen robertson fight.
i was very impressed with pierce in his win over brock larson.
 
Just put my picks in for tonight ..

Torres beats Banuelos
Jones beats Bader
Rocha beats Ellenberger
Franklin beats Griffin
Silva beats Belfort
 
All I can say is HOLY fuckING SHIT!!!!! That was awesome, incredible, wow....knockout of the year, decade.
That Silva kick was just great!
 
I strongly dislike Silva, but I have to give credit where it's due.. that was a sick, sick kick to the face, and I look forward to someone making a gif of it.
 
Some decent fights tonight and great effort from Silva. Looks like Jones is getting his big chance and going for the belt. A little short notice but still pretty awesome.
 
man i picked damn well...

this card was kind of a letdown in reality as the on-paper version was legend-tier.
i'm quite pissed i couldn't see kid vs. dj...if anyone has a link i'd appreciate it since dj is from my gym. if it's illegal i'll take a PM. thanks.
 
[quote name='Kuroi Kaze']man i picked damn well...

this card was kind of a letdown in reality as the on-paper version was legend-tier.
i'm quite pissed i couldn't see kid vs. dj...if anyone has a link i'd appreciate it since dj is from my gym. if it's illegal i'll take a PM. thanks.[/QUOTE]

no link, but he looked very good. Sort of how i thought the fight would go, kid looked at of sorts a little and mm was fast as hell and aggressive.
 
What's so crazy about that kick is how Vitor didn't even attempt to dodge it at all. He basically just stood there. Always been a Silva fan, so I don't understand the hate he's had lately. He's just a great martial artist, where as most of the people in the MMA world are just posers/"wrestlers" Silva is the closest thing to the early Gracie (sp) where he'd take on men twice or three times his size and make them tap by their pinky.
 
Don't mean to double post, but 128 is in jersey during my spring break. Would be my first UFC event. I'm a huge bones jones and cro cop fan. Think it would be awesome to see first hand, but $240 for a pair of nose bleeds seems kinda steep to me. Can anyone tell me about what it's like being at the live fight with "meh" type of seats? Part of me thinks it would be the coolest fucking thing ever to be at a live event, then the other part of me thinks... fuck it I can stream it for free and actually see whats going on... Or even shell out 45 bucks if I want to see it that badly. Thoughts?
 
[quote name='MillerTime2523']Don't mean to double post, but 128 is in jersey during my spring break. Would be my first UFC event. I'm a huge bones jones and cro cop fan. Think it would be awesome to see first hand, but $240 for a pair of nose bleeds seems kinda steep to me. Can anyone tell me about what it's like being at the live fight with "meh" type of seats? Part of me thinks it would be the coolest fucking thing ever to be at a live event, then the other part of me thinks... fuck it I can stream it for free and actually see whats going on... Or even shell out 45 bucks if I want to see it that badly. Thoughts?[/QUOTE]

$240 is a bit much for nose bleeds and there is always a chance the fights will suck that night. Saying that I think I would still go. I've been waiting for a UFC event in Chicago forever.
 
well i bought $150 seats to the seattle show next month. the only thing more expensive was $250 close-up seats. i'll definitely post back about the experience then.
 
They are the cheapest ones on stubhub I could find, so I don't know. I've been pretty high up for some celtics games and the like, but I'm thinking that even some of the cameras can't catch some of the stuff that's going on in the ground game and what not, that it'd be like I'm watching the jumbo tron the whole night.. Which I could do at home. I don't know though, I'm torn, I've always wanted to go to a live event but there's a lot of other games and such I could potentially go to cheaper and possibly better seats (those same nosebleed tickets for nets games go for mere cents lol)
 
[quote name='MillerTime2523']They are the cheapest ones on stubhub I could find, so I don't know. I've been pretty high up for some celtics games and the like, but I'm thinking that even some of the cameras can't catch some of the stuff that's going on in the ground game and what not, that it'd be like I'm watching the jumbo tron the whole night.. Which I could do at home. I don't know though, I'm torn, I've always wanted to go to a live event but there's a lot of other games and such I could potentially go to cheaper and possibly better seats (those same nosebleed tickets for nets games go for mere cents lol)[/QUOTE]

That's another thing too. The octagon really isn't that big. When I was at Dynamite was I seated on the first floor but kinda high up on it and it was hard to tell who was who sometimes. So top level is going to be kind of hard to see, that's pretty much for sure.
 
Jorge Rivera is not much but he can punch pretty hard. He demolished Nate Quarry last time out I believe, and I thought Quarry was going to get the better of striking exchanges. IMO Bisping can be knocked out here and Rivera has the puncher's chance, but I highly doubt he will win that one.

P.S. As for the UFC card, I liked the performances from Ellenberger and Jones. Torres looked good as well but I was SEVERELY disappointed in Banuelos fighting so scared against pillow punching Torres. What was that about.
 
SON OF A BITCH bas was only announcing the undercard? great, i get to listen to these retards announce instead.
 
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[quote name='Ugamer_X']Arlovski just needs to stop. I feel bad for him, but he doesn't have it anymore and his chin can't take it.[/QUOTE]

he looked good early, aggressive, sharp. he just takes too many shots. it is a bummer though, i like the guy.
 
[quote name='Ugamer_X']Fedor's style and approach are no longer fitting for modern MMA (especially when fighting small). It seems like he realizes it too.[/QUOTE]

thats pretty much what i thought. its passed him by a bit. the weight difference is just too much as well.
they fucked those brackets up. silva should be on the other side waiting for barnett.
 
Crazy stunner at the end of tonight's Strikeforce...not so much Fedor losing, but his announcement there at the end for his retirement. Probably feels like a schmuck now that he didn't go to the UFC when he had the chance (and taken out some softies, Roy Nelson, etc.). Whatever, then again, he might've made out like a bandit at Strikeforce.
 
Damn, Fedor finally ran into a fighter who knew how to use his size properly (comparing Silva to Schilt and Choi was a joke). There's just no place for a 230 pound Heavyweight anymore. That fight was like going into a time machine of 6 years ago in the UFC. Mark my words, in 5-7 years there will be a Super Heavyweight division at 235-240. There was absolutely nothing Fedor could do to prevent that mauling.
 
[quote name='paz9x']thats pretty much what i thought. its passed him by a bit. the weight difference is just too much as well.
they fucked those brackets up. silva should be on the other side waiting for barnett.[/QUOTE]

That they did, but honestly, Fedor, and I hate to say it, looked clumsy and/or sloppy. I know the fists low thing is his style, but when everyone has that much tape on you and your kind of a repetitive fighter, you had to expect it would catch up to him at some point. He didn't really change that much of the fight, outside of the first round where he looked good and came out surprising Silva. He strayed too much.
 
[quote name='paz9x']thats pretty much what i thought. its passed him by a bit. the weight difference is just too much as well.
they fucked those brackets up. silva should be on the other side waiting for barnett.[/QUOTE]
Getting up there in terms of fighting age doesn't help either.

Hopefully, this kills M1 at some point. I don't want to see Fedor retire but that would be the silver lining in the whole thing.
 
[quote name='paz9x']he looked good early, aggressive, sharp. he just takes too many shots. it is a bummer though, i like the guy.[/QUOTE]

People suggesting that Arlovski should retire simply because he got KO'd cold, as usual, haven't followed Andrei's career for long enough. The guy has been getting hurt, dropped and knocked out cold since the beginning of his career...literally. Arlovski was stopped in his very first MMA fight I believe.

Anyways, as far as Fedor/Bigfoot goes, Antonio Silva really impressed me. Flawless fight and his size and reach won it for him I believe. He was smart enough to use his physical advantages and it paid off for him with the biggest win in his career. Fedor got utterly dominated, and I believe he has been fading for a couple years now. Its just that this time his famous wild right hand couldn't bail him out of a loss.
 
[quote name='Thekrakrabbit']People suggesting that Arlovski should retire simply because he got KO'd cold, as usual, haven't followed Andrei's career for long enough. The guy has been getting hurt, dropped and knocked out cold since the beginning of his career...literally. Arlovski was stopped in his very first MMA fight I believe.
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4 KOs in his first 15 fights, compared to 3 in his last 4? And he played it safe vs Silva. Plus, his first three knockout losses came early in his career.

He has seemed off after getting KO'd by Fedor.
 
I have said this for a while. MMA has evolved and especially the HW's. Just a mere 5 years ago the top HW's were garbage compared to what we have today. The game has caught up to and passed Fedor. He is still a great fighter but he isn't that much better than everybody else now like he used to be. He isn't too old/slow/or whatever. His tools simply aren't as useful as they were against the fighters in the previous era. People don't want to accept that. They still want to hold him up as this unstoppable being.
 
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