NFL 2007 Season Thread

[quote name='Lobsterjohnson']I missed it but did anyone else just see Jesus? I didn't know he liked the Steelers.[/QUOTE]

You should re-read Genesis:

'And on the seventh day, God and Jesus sat down to watch the Steelers.'
 
Yea..49ers and Seahawks next Monday should be a hoot >.>

[quote name='H-Town Info']or Big Ben vs Cle

Oh yea Big Ben is back in the game.[/quote]

Well the main reason I say it is because the Vikings Pass Defense is so terrible.

Someone said they can't complete a forward pass and couldn't defend against it either :lol:

I forgot who, but I thought that was funny
 
[quote name='Inf^Shini']I dunno, there's still the second half to come :/

On another note, what happened to McNair man?!? He used to run so much, he was so mobile and dangerous, he was on par with Michael Vick :/
Think age has something to do with it?[/quote]

That, and the fact he allows himself to take WAY too many hits in the name of "toughness in the pocket". He needs to get rid of the ball before he gets flattened. He's is ALWAYS hurt.
 
If I was the Steelers I would've tried to score more in the second half. They were only up 35 - 7 at half. That's 4 interceptions for TDs away from being a tie game... As it is they barely escaped with a 38-7 win. Whew that was close.
 
[quote name='ph33r m3']So....how about those 49ers?

Can Young, Lott, Deese, Hearst, Rice, Taylor, Craig come out of fucking retirement?[/QUOTE]
We are still waiting for Alex Smith to develop. This is a problem.....
 
[quote name='Chitown021']If I was the Steelers I would've tried to score more in the second half. They were only up 35 - 7 at half. That's 4 interceptions for TDs away from being a tie game... As it is they barely escaped with a 38-7 win. Whew that was close.[/quote]

I don't understand why you have a problem with teams scoring a lot of points against other teams. It's football, not a girls slumber party. They aren't out there doing each others hair and nails, talking about which boys are the dreamiest, and having pillow fights. They are professionals not little kids, why should other teams have to stop playing to avoid hurting the other teams feelings? If you get the score run up on you, then you didn't do your job.
 
[quote name='Chitown021']If I was the Steelers I would've tried to score more in the second half. They were only up 35 - 7 at half. That's 4 interceptions for TDs away from being a tie game... As it is they barely escaped with a 38-7 win. Whew that was close.[/quote]

LOL, i think you're confusing the steelers with the patriots. IMO they should have taken out all of the starters at halftime. The ravens didnt even look like they wanted to even try to win anymore. They just looked so defeated that they wanted to be put out of thier misery.

James Harrison is a beast. 9 tackles, 3.5 sacks, 2 Forced fumbles, one fumble recovery, one interception, one intentional grounding caused, and a partridge in a pare tree.

Joey Porter who? The best thing is the Ravens cut Harrison.
 
[quote name='Inf^Shini']Yea..49ers and Seahawks next Monday should be a hoot[/quote]

I never thought I'd say this but bring back flex scheduling!!!
 
[quote name='DomLando']We are still waiting for Alex Smith to develop. This is a problem.....[/QUOTE]

join the sign derek anderson club
 
How about the Cleveland shit stains being 5-3? WHats up with that?

As to "What's in the future for Brady Quinn?", James Harrison is.
 
[quote name='fieldkillah']I don't understand why you have a problem with teams scoring a lot of points against other teams. It's football, not a girls slumber party. They aren't out there doing each others hair and nails, talking about which boys are the dreamiest, and having pillow fights. They are professionals not little kids, why should other teams have to stop playing to avoid hurting the other teams feelings? If you get the score run up on you, then you didn't do your job.[/quote]

I think you're confusing sensitivity with respect. Two completely different things.
 
[quote name='RAMSTORIA']join the sign derek anderson club[/quote]
ive heard john madden say a few times that qb's dont fully develop (if they are going to) until they have played 64 games (thats 4 seasons rams dont hurt urself). alex should get until next year at least, be patient guys he still might not have his sholdure at full strength. gore isnt sneaking up on anyone this year, cant blame alex for that. and for all you asshats that are saying to trade VD, well, i think you are wrong.
 
[quote name='primetime']I think you're confusing sensitivity with respect. Two completely different things.[/QUOTE]
You do whats best for your team. You don't necessarily want your QB to only play 3 quarters all the time, that won't help them the next week, or the week after. And when your reserves are in, you have to expect them to give their full effort, because they're playing for a job. You don't ask them not to play hard.

Roethlisberger came back in the 4th because he needed the work, like a closer coming into a blowout because he hasn't pitched in a while. He only made 16 passes that entire game.

As long as you're not disrespecting the game, you're fine. That would be something like... Starting the game with all of your reserves, driving into the red zone in the first quarter and taking 4 knees, or anything absurd like that.

There is no such thing as scoring too much in the NFL. There are two teams on the football field, and the shameful one is the one giving up the 40-50 points.
 
I may not agree with everything Shula has to say, or their actions when they meet to celebrate their perfect season ever year, but Mike Vrabel needs to shut the fuck up.
 
[quote name='CocheseUGA']I may not agree with everything Shula has to say, or their actions when they meet to celebrate their perfect season ever year, but Mike Vrabel needs to shut the fuck up.[/quote]Link or summary on both please? I always liked Vrabel.
 
[quote name='primetime']I think you're confusing sensitivity with respect. Two completely different things.[/quote]

I'd find it more disrepectful if the other team puts in their shit players. If you lose you at least can learn something from it, you can strive to be better, but if the other team takes it easy on you, you don't learn as much.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']You do whats best for your team. You don't necessarily want your QB to only play 3 quarters all the time, that won't help them the next week, or the week after. And when your reserves are in, you have to expect them to give their full effort, because they're playing for a job. You don't ask them not to play hard.

Roethlisberger came back in the 4th because he needed the work, like a closer coming into a blowout because he hasn't pitched in a while. He only made 16 passes that entire game.

As long as you're not disrespecting the game, you're fine. That would be something like... Starting the game with all of your reserves, driving into the red zone in the first quarter and taking 4 knees, or anything absurd like that.

There is no such thing as scoring too much in the NFL. There are two teams on the football field, and the shameful one is the one giving up the 40-50 points.[/quote]

Eh, I agree with you about the last point. Edit- I should probably clarify: "the shameful one is the one giving up the 40-50 points."

But... if you can't expect your starters to perform the next week after playing 3 qtrs, the how do you expect them to play after a bye week? Maybe there's something I'm missing, but I don't understand that mentality. The point is that these are professionals on the best team in the league right now- they're gonna be prepared next week no matter how long they play. Not to mention risking injury the longer you play Brady, but it seems that's a risk they're willing to take.

I really have no idea why Big Ben want back into the game last night. The move still makes no sense to me, and I can only hope that he would've been pulled even if not for the sack. One thing is for sure though, he didn't come back in the game to run up the score or because he "needed more work." If you follow the Steelers, you notice that Big Ben throwing for less than 23 passes is a winning formula. He comes in, makes plays to gain a lead, then hands the game to Parker and the D. That's nothing new.

About the reserves-of course you expect them to play hard, but them playing hard should not produce the same reults as the starters playing hard (see 52-7). You can also play hard without trying to put astronomical numbers on the scoreboard as well. I think Pittsburgh showed that pretty well last night.

I just find the reasoning for Belicheck's actions as the starters "needing more time" is absurd.
 
[quote name='SteveMcQ']Link or summary on both please? I always liked Vrabel.[/QUOTE]
"The Spygate thing has diminished what they've accomplished," Shula said in an interview with the New York Daily News. "You would hate to have that attached to your accomplishments. They've got it."

"That tells you the seriousness or significance of what they found," Shula said, according to the Daily News. "I guess you got the same thing as putting an asterisk by Barry Bonds' home run record.

"I guess it will be noted that the Patriots were fined and a No. 1 draft choice was taken away during that year of accomplishment. The sad thing is Tom Brady looks so good, it doesn't look like he needs any help."
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http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3097057

OLB Mike Vrabel was a guest on "The Mike Felger Show" on ESPN 890 today and was asked about Don Shula's remarks in the New York Daily News.

Vrabel's response: "I think that we try to go out there and play hard every week. And I don't think that guys are going to draw on an old retired coach and old washed up players to pump us up. We play hard. We try to go out there and play hard. That's our job every week is to go out there and play hard. To play for our team, my teammates, my coaches, the respect factor, that's what I try to go out and play for, and I think everybody else on our team does the same thing."

Bruschi on comments made by Don Shula in the New York Daily News about the Patriots having a mark on their record if they finish 16-0. "Obviously, he's one of the most well respected men that have ever been in this game. I can't control what opinions he has. All I can do is take it upon myself to think about what my job is, and my job is to play football and help this team keep on winning. That's all I can really focus on. I can't control opinions. It's unfortunate that he had some of those things to say. I wish he didn't say them. So be it. People can express what they feel and we're just going to keep on playing good football."
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http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/reiss_pieces/
I don't see the problem... Shula is just trying to defend his 72 team, which is understandable. He quickly dismissed the camera issue the week it happened.

They had a camera in an improper position on the sidelines this season for a total of 8 minutes, I don't see what is diminished here. They're 9-0 without a camera there.
 
[quote name='primetime']Eh, I agree with you about the last point.

But... if you can't expect your starters to perform the next week after playing 3 qtrs, the how do you expect them to play after a bye week? Maybe there's something I'm missing, but I don't understand that mentality. The point is that these are professionals on the best team in the league right now- they're gonna be prepared next week no matter how long they play. Not to mention risking injury the longer you play Brady, but it seems that's a risk they're willing to take.

I really have no idea why Big Ben want back into the game last night. The move still makes no sense to me, and I can only hope that he would've been pulled even if not for the sack. One thing is for sure though, he didn't come back in the game to run up the score or because he "needed more work." If you follow the Steelers, you notice that Big Ben throwing for less than 23 passes is a winning formula. He comes in, makes plays to gain a lead, then hands the game to Parker and the D. That's nothing new.

About the reserves-of course you expect them to play hard, but them playing hard should not produce the same reults as the starters playing hard (see 52-7). You can also play hard without trying to put astronomical numbers on the scoreboard as well. I think Pittsburgh showed that pretty well last night.

I just find the reasoning for Belicheck's actions as the starters "needing more time" is absurd.[/QUOTE]
I was only referring to the Steelers, and you do need to keep your starters sharp. If the Pats had pulled their starters in the 3rd quarter of every game this year before the Colts game, it would not have helped them win that game. The Colts pulled their starters late in their final 3 games a couple years ago, and they looked rusty as hell when they got to the playoffs.

About playing hard... If your team plays hard, even if its the reserves, and the other team has packed it in, you're going to put points on the board. What do you want the reserves to do, run out of bounds instead of running into the endzone? That would be disrespecting the game.

Matt Cassel played hard when he came in a couple of games ago, and he ran for a TD. Nothing wrong with that, especially after a bad week prior to that.


[quote name='CocheseUGA']Vrabel needs to take a page from Bruschi (who've I've always liked) on how to respond to things like these.[/QUOTE]
They pretty much said the same thing. Shula is an old, retired coach. The 72 Dolphins are washed up old players who have a party every time an undefeated team loses. And if you think the Pats had an easy schedule this year... The 72 Dolphins played opponents with a combined .367 winning percentage.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']I was only referring to the Steelers, and you do need to keep your starters sharp. If the Pats had pulled their starters in the 3rd quarter of every game this year before the Colts game, it would not have helped them win that game. The Colts pulled their starters late in their final 3 games a couple years ago, and they looked rusty as hell when they got to the playoffs.

About playing hard... If your team plays hard, even if its the reserves, and the other team has packed it in, you're going to put points on the board. What do you want the reserves to do, run out of bounds instead of running into the endzone? That would be disrespecting the game.

Matt Cassel played hard when he came in a couple of games ago, and he ran for a TD. Nothing wrong with that, especially after a bad week prior to that.

[/quote]

Oh, it's only expected that the reserves will play hard. The point I was making is that even though the reserves play hard, they will not produce the kind of points that starters playing hard will. And no, I wouldn't expect the reserves to throw away an opportunity to score.

I think we just have a difference of opinion about the needing more time deal. I'm just not sold that Brady is receiving quality work beating up on a team that is already toast. I know that no player would admit it, but you can't argue that in a blowout game the defense is playing at the same intensity as a game that will go down to the wire. Even Ray Ray quit celebrating after every tackle halfway through the 4th qtr last night :lol:
 
[quote name='primetime']Oh, it's only expected that the reserves will play hard. The point I was making is that even though the reserves play hard, they will not produce the kind of points that starters playing hard will. And no, I wouldn't expect the reserves to throw away an opportunity to score.

I think we just have a difference of opinion about the needing more time deal. I'm just not sold that Brady is receiving quality work beating up on a team that is already toast. I know that no player would admit it, but you can't argue that in a blowout game the defense is playing at the same intensity as a game that will go down to the wire. Even Ray Ray quit celebrating after every tackle halfway through the 4th qtr last night :lol:[/QUOTE]
I just don't think Brady or anyone else can skip the 4th quarter 2-3-4 games in a row without negative effects. It definitely hurt Manning a few years ago.
 
It's not what he said, but how he said it. At least Bruschi had the common sense to show a little diplomacy than to rip on a guy's age.

Big Ben went back into the game to clear up any potential status questions for next week, plain and simple.
 
[quote name='CocheseUGA']Big Ben went back into the game to clear up any potential status questions for next week, plain and simple.[/QUOTE]


QFMFT! By going back in the game, Ben staved off a full week of speculation, overreaction, and an overall pain in the ass pseudo QB controversy.

As to the Patriots, this year's record, and all of the past rings, are all tarnished because they cheated. They all have an asterix next to em just like Barry Bonds record does. Nobody would say that BB and the Pats suck at baseball, but they would say they got busted cheating. Bellicheater saying that everybody does it is just like bonds saying everybody does it. I probably should not have brought this up as it's probably already been beat to hell earlier in this thread and its not the vs. forum.
 
[quote name='pittpizza']QFMFT! By going back in the game, Ben staved off a full week of speculation, overreaction, and an overall pain in the ass pseudo QB controversy.
[/quote]

I would much rather have to deal with hearing all that throughout the week rather than him getting reinjured. I cringed when he took that last sack. I guess I saw enough of the kid getting beat up when he shouldn't have been playing last year.

Skip all the fans and the media, the move had to be for the coaches and maybe Ben's self-confidence. That's the only reason why I could imagine Tomlin doing that. Still, I think you can determine readiness through practice and Ben's self-diagnoses, not by throwing him back into the pressure of the Ravens.
 
Good points, he said himself that he wanted to get back in there "for my guys" and just to show them that he is there with them.

I cringed too when he went down after he cuaght Bart Scott's hit. We, like many teams, could be screwed if our starting qb went down.

*pittpizza goes to knock on wood*
 
[quote name='ph33r m3']So....how about those 49ers?

Can Young, Lott, Deese, Hearst, Rice, Taylor, Craig come out of fucking retirement?[/QUOTE]
wow you would pick Young over Montana? Is that a common thought among Niners fans. or are you too young and missed most of Montana's career.
 
[quote name='pittpizza']Good points, he said himself that he wanted to get back in there "for my guys" and just to show them that he is there with them.

I cringed too when he went down after he cuaght Bart Scott's hit. We, like many teams, could be screwed if our starting qb went down.

*pittpizza goes to knock on wood*[/quote]

Yeah, I saw enough of that last year.

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[quote name='cleaver']The Packers' best player on offense and defense are both white; can anyone recall an NFL team that could say that?[/quote]

Bruschi and Brady? I mean Moss is fantastic but Brady is where the real money is.
 
Holy shit.

I won my FF game...EVEN while having 2 people on bye weeks. To busy to set my rosters for the week and I forgot to change out some key people. One WR, one RB.

Yet I still won by 10 points.
 
[quote name='Lobsterjohnson']Bruschi and Brady? I mean Moss is fantastic but Brady is where the real money is.[/QUOTE]

I love Tedy but he is no where near the best Pats defensive player anymore. I would say Seymour, Wilfork, Vrabel and Samuel are better.
 
There was an interesting article on what the Ravens had to say about getting embarassed on Monday night on National television. Basically they're really sore losers and it explains alot about their team struggling.

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/s_536614.html

A couple choice quotes for lazy CAGers:

"Defensive end Trevor Pryce finally turned toward the showers and said, to no one in particular, "Willie fuckin Parker. What a fraud."

"When you give somebody that many opportunities, anybody can make a play," linebacker Ray Lewis said, referring to his team's four first-half turnovers. "Now, come see us in Baltimore."

"Pryce called Roethlisberger's precision passes "luck" and said, "Whatever their game plan was, it didn't work. You know it's not your night, Pryce said, "when a little 5-9 linebacker (Harrison actually is listed at 6 feet) gets four sacks. That will never happen again in his life. He knows that."

Referring to Ward's vicious block: "He was being who he is, taking his shots," Scott said. "Next time it happens, I'll find him and make sure I take the most violent shot I can take. We'll see them again, and I'll play violent. I'll play all the way to the edges of the rules."
 
[quote name='pittpizza']There was an interesting article on what the Ravens had to say about getting embarassed on Monday night on National television. Basically they're really sore losers and it explains alot about their team struggling.

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/s_536614.html

A couple choice quotes for lazy CAGers:

"Defensive end Trevor Pryce finally turned toward the showers and said, to no one in particular, "Willie fuckin Parker. What a fraud."

"When you give somebody that many opportunities, anybody can make a play," linebacker Ray Lewis said, referring to his team's four first-half turnovers. "Now, come see us in Baltimore."

"Pryce called Roethlisberger's precision passes "luck" and said, "Whatever their game plan was, it didn't work. You know it's not your night, Pryce said, "when a little 5-9 linebacker (Harrison actually is listed at 6 feet) gets four sacks. That will never happen again in his life. He knows that."

Referring to Ward's vicious block: "He was being who he is, taking his shots," Scott said. "Next time it happens, I'll find him and make sure I take the most violent shot I can take. We'll see them again, and I'll play violent. I'll play all the way to the edges of the rules."[/quote]

:rofl: I wish they played each other again next week. Wasn't Scott talking trash to Ward before the game?
 
[quote name='jlarlee']wow you would pick Young over Montana? Is that a common thought among Niners fans. or are you too young and missed most of Montana's career.[/QUOTE]

hes too young, any self respecting niners fan would take montana over young.
 
Ravens talk a mean game.. if they didn't have a 10yd fight offensive playbook.. then I might be worried... Bart Scott's comments after the game about Hines Ward are stupid because I don't know how many times I've seen the Ravens hit someone hard and then celebrate doing so...seems like Mr. Scott can't take some of their own medicine..
 
*sigh*

Chris Henry...why you so crazy?

"On Tuesday night, police in Newport, Ky., a suburb on the other side of the Ohio River within view of Paul Brown Stadium, were called to an entertainment district following a dispute over a parking fee. A parking attendant told police that Henry and another man parked their sport utility vehicle without paying. According to an incident report, the attendant said Henry argued loudly with him and said, "Don't you know who I am?" The attendant said Henry threw a $5 bill on the ground, but the money was returned to Henry and the police were called. No charges have been filed, but the attendant can file a complaint with prosecutors against Henry."
 
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