NFL 2010-2011 Season Discussion Thread

Yeah, and his dad who was also a QB was a finalist for the Rhodes Scholarship at WVU, so he probably was strongly encouraged to stay and finish his degree by his family.
 
People said that about the Rams too who were in a much greater state of disarray and now look at them - Bradford and Spags have them headed in the right direction.
 
[quote name='perdition(troy']smart kid, I wouldn't want to be stuck in carolina either...[/QUOTE]

Wherever he ends up next year at #1 is probably going to be a pretty crappy situation as well (maybe even Carolina again), that usually goes hand-in-hand with having the top pick.
 
Wow, looks like Harbaugh will go to Miami if he goes to the NFL. Per Sportscenter, they've offered to make him the highest paid coach in the NFL--which would mean more than the $7.5 million Belichick makes. Apparently the 49ers "only" offered $5 million.

Crazy for someone who would be a first time NFL head coach.
 
Niners were trippin if they thought they could get Harbaugh by offering less money than Pete Carroll makes.

Dolphins need to fire Sparano and interview a minority candidate before they can offer a deal.
 
I'm thinking it was a comprehensive decision (Carolina at #1, Potential Lockout Next Year, Finishing the Degree). However, I do wonder if Luck would pull an Eli Manning and push Carolina or whoever has the #1 to a draft-and-trade. Or even a Bernie Kosar/Brian Bosworth and go to the supplemental.
 
I disagree. The Phins have the right to do whatever it takes to get who they believe is the right guy for their system. The offensive part is going after somehow who hasnt proven a god damn thing and making him the highest paid coach.

This wouldnt be a big deal if it was John Gruden or Billy the Chin because you can at least point to their resume.

I hope they hire him and it blows up completely in their face.
 
Its a tough decision, he could coach at Stanford for 20 years or he can take the money and go back to the NFL meat grinder. It all depends on what his goals are.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Wow, looks like Harbaugh will go to Miami if he goes to the NFL. Per Sportscenter, they've offered to make him the highest paid coach in the NFL--which would mean more than the $7.5 million Belichick makes. Apparently the 49ers "only" offered $5 million.

Crazy for someone who would be a first time NFL head coach.[/QUOTE]

If true, that's unfathomably stupid, which is certainly consistent with decision-making in that organization.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']Its a tough decision, he could coach at Stanford for 20 years or he can take the money and go back to the NFL meat grinder. It all depends on what his goals are.[/QUOTE]

I don't know why all of these college coaches can't stay happy where they are. If it were me I'd want to stay in one place for 20 years. Stability for your family, you get god-like status there and you still make a shitload of money. Probably 90% of NFL coaches get fired in 3 years. I don't get it.
 
[quote name='javeryh']I don't know why all of these college coaches can't stay happy where they are. If it were me I'd want to stay in one place for 20 years. Stability for your family, you get god-like status there and you still make a shitload of money. Probably 90% of NFL coaches get fired in 3 years. I don't get it.[/QUOTE]

Seriously, it's all about ego, they think well I did it in College I can do it in the NFL and most fail miserably. I completely agree, I mean if I could do the Joe Pa, Bowden, Hayes, Schembechler, Osbourne, Bryant, Holtz, thing and stay one place pretty much becoming God-like in the eyes of the fans plus make a shit-ton I think that's a pretty sweet gig :cool:.
Exactly, it's so tough to be successful in the NFL I just don't think it's worth the increased risk. Not to mention the added stress it puts on yourself. Unless it's a situation of a rat deserting a sinking ship like Carroll, I don't see why college coaches jump to the NFL.

I mean if they want to do that go to NFL as a position coach first. Get a feel for the system and do your job very well then test the head coach waters.
 
But you guys do realize that a NFL Coach doesnt technically get fired but their contract gets bought out. They will still get paid 30 plus million even if they fail after 2 years. Plus it seems like you can try your hand in the NFL, fail and then go right back to coaching a college team.

Other than emotional and ego bruising they are not loosing that much, if they are willing to uproot their family that is.

Although I agree with you guys, I would stay at the college level forever.
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']But you guys do realize that a NFL Coach doesnt technically get fired but their contract gets bought out. They will still get paid 30 plus million even if they fail after 2 years. Plus it seems like you can try your hand in the NFL, fail and then go right back to coaching a college team.

Other than emotional and ego bruising they are not loosing that much, if they are willing to uproot their family that is.

Although I agree with you guys, I would stay at the college level forever.[/QUOTE]

Yeah - they still get paid even when they are fired and yes they could go back to coaching college but I bet it's never the same. If Harbaugh could go back to coaching Stanford specifically then he has nothing to lose by trying the NFL but it's rarely the same for these guys at the "next" school the end up at after having major success somewhere else.
 
I agree. The only problem I have with these coach colleges is how much their decisions screw over 18-19 year old kids. Everyone has the right to be happy and if coaching in the NFL is your thing than no one can stop you.

But to think that these kids promised you 4-5 years of their lives and you just up and bounce on them is lame. I understand that its the system in which we force upon them but the fact that kids kinda get punished for transferring (along with the cost of switching school) while you collect 20 million plus has always irked me.

There are so many stories of kids who were promised starting roles for 4 years but then the coach leaves after 2 and the new coach says they dont fit their system.
 
Kids need to be picking schools to play for, not coaches. College coaches are always moving to bigger schools etc. Just the nature of the business.

They should focus on being student athletes, and not NFL dreams, and choose the best school they can go to for free.
 
[quote name='evildeadjedi']Seriously, it's all about ego, they think well I did it in College I can do it in the NFL and most fail miserably. I completely agree, I mean if I could do the Joe Pa, Bowden, Hayes, Schembechler, Osbourne, Bryant, Holtz, thing and stay one place pretty much becoming God-like in the eyes of the fans plus make a shit-ton I think that's a pretty sweet gig :cool:.
Exactly, it's so tough to be successful in the NFL I just don't think it's worth the increased risk. Not to mention the added stress it puts on yourself. Unless it's a situation of a rat deserting a sinking ship like Carroll, I don't see why college coaches jump to the NFL.

I mean if they want to do that go to NFL as a position coach first. Get a feel for the system and do your job very well then test the head coach waters.[/QUOTE]

Lou Holtz definitely did not stay in one place.
 
Well, part of the appeal could be not having to recruit. I'd have to think that for many doing all the traveling and other bullshit for recruiting could get old fast. Vs. being an NFL coach and having a GM to deal with personnel issues.
 
[quote name='evildeadjedi']True but, he stayed at ND for a long time.[/QUOTE]

He was at ND for 10 years, a long time, but not too long. Pete Caroll was at USC for 8 years.

This is his head coaching experience.

1969–1971--William & Mary
1972–1975--North Carolina State
1976--New York Jets
1977–1983--Arkansas
1984–1985--Minnesota
1986–1996--Notre Dame
1999–2004--South Carolina
 
[quote name='javeryh']I don't know why all of these college coaches can't stay happy where they are. If it were me I'd want to stay in one place for 20 years. Stability for your family, you get god-like status there and you still make a shitload of money. Probably 90% of NFL coaches get fired in 3 years. I don't get it.[/QUOTE]
College Coaches that came to the NFL and won NFL Championships/Super Bowls:
Jimmy Johnson
Barry Switzer
Vince Lombardi
Hank Stram
Paul Brown
Don Shula
John Madden
Bill Walsh
Joe Gibbs
Bill Parcells
Mike Holmgren
Mike Shanahan
and others

It's a stepping stone and a way for some coaches to build up a resume as a quality coach with the potential to be a great NFL coach if they get into a good situation that can work out for them. Most of them probably would rather take the risk and fail than not take it at all and be left wondering what could've happened.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Well, part of the appeal could be not having to recruit. I'd have to think that for many doing all the traveling and other bullshit for recruiting could get old fast. Vs. being an NFL coach and having a GM to deal with personnel issues.[/QUOTE]

I would think that balances out with trying to tell grown men making millions of dollars what to do all day every day.

EDIT: It is shocking that Lou Holtz was only at ND for 10 years. It seems like it should be 20 or more.
 
[quote name='javeryh']I would think that balances out with trying to tell grown men making millions of dollars what to do all day every day.
[/QUOTE]

Definitely. Just a matter of which they prefer to deal with.
 
[quote name='javeryh']I don't know why all of these college coaches can't stay happy where they are. If it were me I'd want to stay in one place for 20 years. Stability for your family, you get god-like status there and you still make a shitload of money. Probably 90% of NFL coaches get fired in 3 years. I don't get it.[/QUOTE]
Its not that different from being a player, you want to win at the highest level. He probably wants to win a Super Bowl as a coach, and he's looking at a ton of money as well. Some people would be happy with a nice, stable job, and some people want to be the best.

He probably figures that if he washes out of the NFL, he'll have made a lot more money and the NCAA will still be there for him.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Kids need to be picking schools to play for, not coaches. College coaches are always moving to bigger schools etc. Just the nature of the business.

They should focus on being student athletes, and not NFL dreams, and choose the best school they can go to for free.[/QUOTE]

Non confrontational rant begin.

I am going to guess you were not a true athlete growing up. (I dont mean that as an insult at all just a label to differentiate you from people who have a legitmate shot at receieveing compensation for playing a sport.)

Come on Dmaul. That is theory you are talking about there. Thats like saying "us as humans need to learn that we are all the same and love each other." Yea, great in theory but is so completely far from the true it laughable. The NCAA as a whole is not a collection of people who are good at heart and education is their number 1 goal. The NCAA is more of a black market of child prostitution where shady deals go down all the time. How many stories have to come out before people believe this. Especially in college football.

These kids are worth millions of dollars to people even at small school were they are worth federal funding. They are lied to and manipulated through out the recruiting process. A lot of the time their best interest is not taken into account. Think about it man. How does one choose between a full ride to Texas and a full Ride to LSU or U of M or OSU? Coaching Scheme. They pick by what scheme will best fit their style and thus show off their ability to NFL scouts. This doesnt mean they are only there to go to the NFL but why in the world would you go to a school to not play?

I ride both sides of the fence on this topic because I am a big supporter in the fact that most student athletes have good intentions and are smart people who got there on their own merit. As well has most institutions are really trying to help kids become adults and prepare them for the future. I played college level soccer and I was on schoolarship (wasnt recruited got there as a walk on, only got my scholarship after my first year) but I cant deny that a large amount of student athletes are only there because of deal struck for them.

The cold harsh reality of college recruiting is very different than what they show on tv. They do anything to get a kid to come to their school instead of a rival school, lie cheat steal. How many Cam Newtons, Fab Fives, Reggie Bushes, NC Player suspensions before people realize that education is very far down on that list of priorities. Hell even Junco are getting busted for this all the time. For every 1 major scandal that comes out there is 10 or 15 that were successful and swept under the rug.

Even the whole BCS thing in which they blackmail schools and force them to break rules for players is at the forefront.

I agree with you, kids should put education first but you cant just paint that broad stroke over it and pretend like they dont have 50 people pulling them in different directions. 4 of my childhood friends including my best friend now plays professional basketball (all over seas no NBA) 1 plays professional indoor soccer, I got as far as getting a half ride to play soccer in college. I was smart enough to know that I had no chance of playing past college and used my talents to get me a education.

The constant pressure from people who pretend that they have your best interest at heart is unimaginable man. You cant trust friends, family, teammates. Normally the one person you can trust is your coach and to have him abandon you after a year maybe be par for the course in the business world but its still a tangible blow.

I hate to rant but I dislike when people think that sports is something that you can just switch off. It might be that to someone who had no real shot at doing anything with it anyway but to someone who sacrificed hundreds of hours hanging out with their buds, having a social life, going to the movies, etc etc to be in a gym to even have the chance to get to the next level its a bigger deal. Education over sports is a smart decisions but not all smart decisions are easy.

Rant over.
 
Oh I get all that. I'm just a bitter professor who hates dealing with student athletes who don't give two shits about school--and I'm at a school that's small time in sports now and probably has never put a player in the NBA (definitely not NFL since we haven't had football very long). :D

The sports leagues should really all have their own minor leagues like baseball does rather than requiring kids go to college (or somewhere else) for 3 years (NFL) or 1 year (NBA).

They're basically getting free minor leagues from college sports, which sucks as most schools lose a ton of money their atheletic programs, with only the few top programs making profits.

And I know kids get pulled a ton of different directions etc. But the fact remains that they can watch Sportscenter and see coaches moving and getting fired all the time. They should see that and know that they need to pick a school/program they want to play for, and not just a coach as the coach may well not be their for their whole 4 or 5 year career.
 
They make Holtz SEEM like he was at ND so much longer...

As far as Harbaugh.. If he doesn't take the Niner job now, he's an idiot.

Say he comes back to Stanford, they finish 6-5 after Luck gets hurt, or because they are losing 3 O-line Seniors, where is his NFL stock then? in the garbage.

You need to strike when the iron is the absolute highest. He's making a big mistake, he doesn't even need to move his family.
 
The Pac 10 stinks outside of Oregon and Stanford. Stanford should be very good next year again, and even if Luck gets hurt they have a solid running game etc. It's not like Harbaugh was running a Mike Leach style pass heavy offense.

Anyway, Harbaugh has already shown he doesn't care about making as much money as possible, or he would have taken the $8 million or so a year being offered by the Dolphins.
 
^ not entirely true... Dolphins pressed him for an answer, and he didn't want to be put under a time-gun... Then they decided to stick with Sparano, pulling their offer.

and I just heard he has signed a 5-year deal with San Francisco... I'm hoping for the best.
 
I hadn't heard that. Still, shows money isn't #1 as there's no way the 49ers are paying him in the 7.5-8 million range per the other day, since he wouldn't jump at the offer.
 
And it seems to be official. Harbaugh to the 49ers--5 years, $25 million.

Must have really not liked something about the Dolphins to turn down an extra $2.5+ million a year.
 
I don't know why the Dolphins interviewed him. I heard it had to do something with Michigan, not Miami. But that'd be stupid.
 
[quote name='KingBroly']I don't know why the Dolphins interviewed him. I heard it had to do something with Michigan, not Miami. But that'd be stupid.[/QUOTE]

They interviewed him because the obviously really wanted them, and there's some locker room discontent with Spirano. As shown by the absurd amount of money they offered him.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']The sports leagues should really all have their own minor leagues like baseball does rather than requiring kids go to college (or somewhere else) for 3 years (NFL) or 1 year (NBA).

They're basically getting free minor leagues from college sports, which sucks as most schools lose a ton of money their atheletic programs, with only the few top programs making profits.[/QUOTE]
The NCAA actually goes through great lengths to protect their monopoly as the feeder system to the NFL and NBA. If anyone gets a free ride, its the big athletic schools who make millions of dollars without paying a cent to the athletes. There should be minor league systems in place where someone can go and draw a paycheck.

Baseball and hockey both primarily develop players through their minor league systems but the NCAA option also exists. With the other two, especially football, its the NCAA or nothing.
 
[quote name='DT778']He went to the Niners :cool:[/QUOTE]

Less money not to move, makes sense. I'm assuming his family was a big part of the decision.
 
Yesss, lets hope he does some good for us next season, hopefully we drop either one of the Smiths and get a marquee QB, I bet he'll try to hold out for Luck though.
 
I don't think the niners will suck enough to get a chance at Luck next season. Also only Carr still has a contract with the niners, both Smiths are going to be free agents.

Harbaugh vs Harbaugh in Baltimore next season.
 
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[quote name='DT778']I don't think the niners will suck enough to get a chance at Luck next season. Also only Carr still has a contract with the niners, both Smith's are going to be free agents.

Harbaugh vs Harbaugh in Baltimore next season.[/QUOTE]

I remeber when the Cowboys had a sure thing in drafting Jerry Rice. :p

It might be possible, highly unlikely, but still possible.

Or, from what I have precieved as a move I would make, Broncos drop Kyle Orton for Tebow, 49ers would be fulls to let Orton wander away, he's a really great QB. And of course the otherwise, and less wanted, the Eagles dropping Vick (who the 49ers should have pushed harder for) or Kolb this off season.
 
Vick wouldn't have flourished if he went to the Niners.

I see the Eagles resigning Vick and trading Kolb if they were to get rid of one of the quarterbacks. No way they just drop him without getting something in return.
 
There's always the chance that Luck could have a down year in a new system at Stanford and fall down the draft board a few spots by next year.

Or that they can trade up next year. You can be sure Harbaugh will be gungho to find a way to get him given how highly he speaks of him.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']There's always the chance that Luck could have a down year in a new system at Stanford and fall down the draft board a few spots by next year.

Or that they can trade up next year. You can be sure Harbaugh will be gungho to find a way to get him given how highly he speaks of him.[/QUOTE]

Hm that reminds me, who'll take over for Stanford?

Wonder who the niners will take at number 7 this draft.
 
[quote name='Amblix']Hm that reminds me, who'll take over for Stanford?

Wonder who the niners will take at number 7 this draft.[/QUOTE]

the best CB left on the board.


I think the 49ers will make a play for a QB like McNabb, Orton, Kolb and could possibly draft a QB after the second round depending on who is left on the board.

I also wouldn't be surprised if the 49ers make a big play for Luck next season. And who knows, maybe Luck will pull an Eli and say he wants to play for his old coach.
 
They definitely need secondary help, I wouldn't mind trading a 2nd round pick for Kolb if it's possible, could be the next Schaub, he had some big games last season when he filled in for Donovan.

McNabb is shot though, it's not worth it.
 
[quote name='RAMSTORIA']the best CB left on the board.


I think the 49ers will make a play for a QB like McNabb, Orton, Kolb and could possibly draft a QB after the second round depending on who is left on the board.

I also wouldn't be surprised if the 49ers make a big play for Luck next season. And who knows, maybe Luck will pull an Eli and say he wants to play for his old coach.[/QUOTE]

People are literally suggesting the Redskins trade McNabb for Vince Young. I'm not kidding. Since he just wins games, that'd be interesting to see, but I'm not hopeful.
 
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