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[quote name='dafoomie']Funny how the Patriots were punished so severely for filming defensive signals, which you are allowed to do, just not from the sideline, while the Broncos were guilty of the most severe thing the Patriots were accused of (and found not to have done), taping a walkthrough, and the Broncos got a slap on the wrist.
All the Patriots ever did was have a camera in an incorrect location. Thats the ONLY rule they broke. The Broncos taped something they shouldn't have had any access to at all.[/QUOTE]
That's not true. Teams are not allowed to film defensive signals anywhere. They are allowed to film the game for future use from the endzones, but filming of defensive signals is illegal.
All the Patriots ever did was have a camera in an incorrect location. Thats the ONLY rule they broke. The Broncos taped something they shouldn't have had any access to at all.[/QUOTE]
That's not true. Teams are not allowed to film defensive signals anywhere. They are allowed to film the game for future use from the endzones, but filming of defensive signals is illegal.
[quote name='madbst']That's not true. Teams are not allowed to film defensive signals anywhere. They are allowed to film the game for future use from the endzones, but filming of defensive signals is illegal.[/QUOTE]
Show me the rule that says you can't. Its a myth, at least it was in 2008 and prior.
All the rule states is where you are and aren't allowed to use video cameras during games.
Show me the rule that says you can't. Its a myth, at least it was in 2008 and prior.
All the rule states is where you are and aren't allowed to use video cameras during games.
[quote name='RAMSTORIA']we can finish 8-8.... maybe....[/QUOTE]
No freaking way! You would have to go 4-1 over the last 5 games - without Gore. 3 games are in the division which are always tough with the one away game being in St. Louis (the Rams are the best competition for the 49ers this year). Your other 2 games are AT Lambeau (that's a loss) and AT San Diego (Philip Rivers has NEVER lost a game in December).
Finishing 7-9 would be a good finish for the 49ers at this point - I actually think 6-10 is more likely (and that might still win the division depending on tie-breakers because St. Louis plays Seattle on the last day of the season so one of those teams is getting to 6 wins no matter what). I can't imagine a 6-10 team making the playoffs.
No freaking way! You would have to go 4-1 over the last 5 games - without Gore. 3 games are in the division which are always tough with the one away game being in St. Louis (the Rams are the best competition for the 49ers this year). Your other 2 games are AT Lambeau (that's a loss) and AT San Diego (Philip Rivers has NEVER lost a game in December).
Finishing 7-9 would be a good finish for the 49ers at this point - I actually think 6-10 is more likely (and that might still win the division depending on tie-breakers because St. Louis plays Seattle on the last day of the season so one of those teams is getting to 6 wins no matter what). I can't imagine a 6-10 team making the playoffs.
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Anyone see the chargers defense rape peyton manning the other night
Looking very nice!
Looking very nice!
49ers one game behind first? I'll take it. :lol:
Im liking how Troy Smith and Crabtree are connecting on those passes, looking good. But Frank Gore, NOOOOO!!!!
[quote name='TheRobReport']Anyone see the chargers defense rape peyton manning the other night
Looking very nice![/QUOTE]
Sure did!! Chargers doing what they do In December. Raiders @ Chargers this weekend. Gona extend there loosing streak to 3.
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Did he go off cuse he got caught laughing down 20 points? :lol:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pjnvgV6Rcg
Im liking how Troy Smith and Crabtree are connecting on those passes, looking good. But Frank Gore, NOOOOO!!!!
[quote name='TheRobReport']Anyone see the chargers defense rape peyton manning the other night
Looking very nice![/QUOTE]
Sure did!! Chargers doing what they do In December. Raiders @ Chargers this weekend. Gona extend there loosing streak to 3.
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Did he go off cuse he got caught laughing down 20 points? :lol:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pjnvgV6Rcg
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[quote name='dafoomie']Show me the rule that says you can't. Its a myth, at least it was in 2008 and prior.
All the rule states is where you are and aren't allowed to use video cameras during games.[/QUOTE]
Here's a good read: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/17/sports/football/17nfl.html?_r=1&pagewanted=2
Basically, teams steal signals (or try to) all the time but videotaping signals isn't allowed. That presents an advantage over the traditional methods of stealing signals. There are excerpts from the rulebook in the article. The article also shows how murky the rules on videotaping really are, especially with the expanding technology. With that said, the Patriots were doing it for a number of years when other teams weren't because they knew it was against the rules, and that's probably why the fines were much bigger.
All the rule states is where you are and aren't allowed to use video cameras during games.[/QUOTE]
Here's a good read: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/17/sports/football/17nfl.html?_r=1&pagewanted=2
Basically, teams steal signals (or try to) all the time but videotaping signals isn't allowed. That presents an advantage over the traditional methods of stealing signals. There are excerpts from the rulebook in the article. The article also shows how murky the rules on videotaping really are, especially with the expanding technology. With that said, the Patriots were doing it for a number of years when other teams weren't because they knew it was against the rules, and that's probably why the fines were much bigger.
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That derek anderson thing is such bullshit. Trying way to hard media....so hard its embarrassing.
People are not allowed to smile anymore? No one knows the context that guy could have just been trying to cheer him up. Oh I forgot this is the NFL everyone has to walk around like stone cold
ing killers with hearts of barb wire because that what real men do. (then we wonder why there are so many actual killers, rapist, and felony's in the NFL)
The NFL is quickly becoming a joke and the media outlets surrounding it have been for a while. WAAAAA????? Did your knee just touch the ground and your hands raised in a circle motion? Penalty Penalty, Fine, Fine.
People are not allowed to smile anymore? No one knows the context that guy could have just been trying to cheer him up. Oh I forgot this is the NFL everyone has to walk around like stone cold
ing killers with hearts of barb wire because that what real men do. (then we wonder why there are so many actual killers, rapist, and felony's in the NFL)The NFL is quickly becoming a joke and the media outlets surrounding it have been for a while. WAAAAA????? Did your knee just touch the ground and your hands raised in a circle motion? Penalty Penalty, Fine, Fine.
[quote name='jlarlee']At his age that may be his career[/QUOTE]
at 27? That seems a bit early. Even if something happens and he never regains his full abilities, he could still earn his keep as a good 2nd option or returning kicks or something.
49ers released their backup kicker, Andrus, after his horrible game yesterday. He missed one
at 27? That seems a bit early. Even if something happens and he never regains his full abilities, he could still earn his keep as a good 2nd option or returning kicks or something.
49ers released their backup kicker, Andrus, after his horrible game yesterday. He missed one
I agree with Derek Anderson. That reporter is a douche. Who gives a shit why he was laughing? Maybe it was because he is getting paid a ton of money to play a game for a living. Or maybe it was because one of them farted. Or maybe one of them told that joke about the pirate and the steering wheel - that's a good one. IT'S JUST FOOTBALL PEOPLE - NOT LIFE AND DEATH.
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[quote name='javeryh']I agree with Derek Anderson. That reporter is a douche. Who gives a shit why he was laughing? Maybe it was because he is getting paid a ton of money to play a game for a living. Or maybe it was because one of them farted. Or maybe one of them told that joke about the pirate and the steering wheel - that's a good one. IT'S JUST FOOTBALL PEOPLE - NOT LIFE AND DEATH.[/QUOTE]
No. I pay my hard earned money to see these guys play. That means I pay their salary, meaning I am their boss. Because I am the boss I demand they act the way I want them to act.
Paying for tickets to a game = Owning a players life. Fact.
The problem with fans is that they believe because they buy hats and tickets they have some legit claim to the franchise and the players. People try to live vicariously as a CEO through Pro teams. They feel they have a right to demand things because they pay a very small fraction of money and they have very little control over there own lives. Unless you are employed the NFL and its various partners, calm your cool ass down its a game.
No. I pay my hard earned money to see these guys play. That means I pay their salary, meaning I am their boss. Because I am the boss I demand they act the way I want them to act.
Paying for tickets to a game = Owning a players life. Fact.
The problem with fans is that they believe because they buy hats and tickets they have some legit claim to the franchise and the players. People try to live vicariously as a CEO through Pro teams. They feel they have a right to demand things because they pay a very small fraction of money and they have very little control over there own lives. Unless you are employed the NFL and its various partners, calm your cool ass down its a game.
As a fan, I too want to see intensity from players during the game, but come on, obviously his teammate felt the need to say whatever he said to him because he felt it would do some good. There was no need for that reporter to push like he did and anyone with a brain will realize that DA wasn't the asshole in that situation. These players do have pride and ego and having watched DA in Cleveland for 5 years I believe him when he said he was doing his best... which IMO doesn't happen to be starting NFL caliber, but that's moot.
[quote name='madbst']Here's a good read: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/17/sports/football/17nfl.html?_r=1&pagewanted=2
Basically, teams steal signals (or try to) all the time but videotaping signals isn't allowed. That presents an advantage over the traditional methods of stealing signals. There are excerpts from the rulebook in the article. The article also shows how murky the rules on videotaping really are, especially with the expanding technology. With that said, the Patriots were doing it for a number of years when other teams weren't because they knew it was against the rules, and that's probably why the fines were much bigger.[/QUOTE]
Again, its a myth.
The article provides no rules that I didn't mention. “No video recording devices of any kind are permitted to be in use in the coaches’ booth, on the field, or in the locker room during the game”, "all video shooting locations must be enclosed on all sides with a roof overhead", “Videotaping of any type, including but not limited to taping of an opponent’s offensive or defensive signals, is prohibited on the sidelines”. The media largely misunderstands the issue.
You can tape signals to your hearts content, it is treated no differently than anything else that occurs on the field, you just have to follow the rules regarding where cameras can be located. That was put in place in order to prevent you from using video on the sidelines of the game you're in. Thats why you see quarterbacks on the sideline looking at photographs of formations and plays instead of video screens.
This was common practice in the NFL until the league started cracking down. They made an example of the Patriots to make sure nobody else would even consider it, the rest of the league made sure they were compliant after that. Every team in the NFL still tapes signals, but now they all do it within the rules.
Basically, teams steal signals (or try to) all the time but videotaping signals isn't allowed. That presents an advantage over the traditional methods of stealing signals. There are excerpts from the rulebook in the article. The article also shows how murky the rules on videotaping really are, especially with the expanding technology. With that said, the Patriots were doing it for a number of years when other teams weren't because they knew it was against the rules, and that's probably why the fines were much bigger.[/QUOTE]
Again, its a myth.
The article provides no rules that I didn't mention. “No video recording devices of any kind are permitted to be in use in the coaches’ booth, on the field, or in the locker room during the game”, "all video shooting locations must be enclosed on all sides with a roof overhead", “Videotaping of any type, including but not limited to taping of an opponent’s offensive or defensive signals, is prohibited on the sidelines”. The media largely misunderstands the issue.
You can tape signals to your hearts content, it is treated no differently than anything else that occurs on the field, you just have to follow the rules regarding where cameras can be located. That was put in place in order to prevent you from using video on the sidelines of the game you're in. Thats why you see quarterbacks on the sideline looking at photographs of formations and plays instead of video screens.
This was common practice in the NFL until the league started cracking down. They made an example of the Patriots to make sure nobody else would even consider it, the rest of the league made sure they were compliant after that. Every team in the NFL still tapes signals, but now they all do it within the rules.
[quote name='dafoomie']Again, its a myth.
The article provides no rules that I didn't mention. “No video recording devices of any kind are permitted to be in use in the coaches’ booth, on the field, or in the locker room during the game”, "all video shooting locations must be enclosed on all sides with a roof overhead", “Videotaping of any type, including but not limited to taping of an opponent’s offensive or defensive signals, is prohibited on the sidelines”. The media largely misunderstands the issue.
You can tape signals to your hearts content, it is treated no differently than anything else that occurs on the field, you just have to follow the rules regarding where cameras can be located. That was put in place in order to prevent you from using video on the sidelines of the game you're in. Thats why you see quarterbacks on the sideline looking at photographs of formations and plays instead of video screens.
This was common practice in the NFL until the league started cracking down. They made an example of the Patriots to make sure nobody else would even consider it, the rest of the league made sure they were compliant after that. Every team in the NFL still tapes signals, but now they all do it within the rules.[/QUOTE]
You didn't even mention any rules, you just stated that the only rule the Patriots broke is the location of their cameras. $750,000 fine and a first round draft pick on a technicality? If they instead placed their camera 50 yards to the left/right or 15 rows up in the stands, they wouldn't have been accused and found guilty? Are you saying teams still videotape signals today, but just not on the sideline?
The article provides no rules that I didn't mention. “No video recording devices of any kind are permitted to be in use in the coaches’ booth, on the field, or in the locker room during the game”, "all video shooting locations must be enclosed on all sides with a roof overhead", “Videotaping of any type, including but not limited to taping of an opponent’s offensive or defensive signals, is prohibited on the sidelines”. The media largely misunderstands the issue.
You can tape signals to your hearts content, it is treated no differently than anything else that occurs on the field, you just have to follow the rules regarding where cameras can be located. That was put in place in order to prevent you from using video on the sidelines of the game you're in. Thats why you see quarterbacks on the sideline looking at photographs of formations and plays instead of video screens.
This was common practice in the NFL until the league started cracking down. They made an example of the Patriots to make sure nobody else would even consider it, the rest of the league made sure they were compliant after that. Every team in the NFL still tapes signals, but now they all do it within the rules.[/QUOTE]
You didn't even mention any rules, you just stated that the only rule the Patriots broke is the location of their cameras. $750,000 fine and a first round draft pick on a technicality? If they instead placed their camera 50 yards to the left/right or 15 rows up in the stands, they wouldn't have been accused and found guilty? Are you saying teams still videotape signals today, but just not on the sideline?
[quote name='madbst']You didn't even mention any rules, you just stated that the only rule the Patriots broke is the location of their cameras. $750,000 fine and a first round draft pick on a technicality? If they instead placed their camera 50 yards to the left/right or 15 rows up in the stands, they wouldn't have been accused and found guilty? Are you saying teams still videotape signals today, but just not on the sideline?[/QUOTE]
That is exactly the case. Every team can and does tape signals but from the locations explicitly allowed by the NFL for all taping purposes during games. Under the NFL's rules, taping signals is no different than taping the play on the field.
They lost a 1st round pick and all that cash because their camera was on the sideline instead of up in a box somewhere. Now, by breaking that rule it enables you to use video of signals in the middle of the game, which is the big no-no here, but all parties have said that the Patriots weren't doing that. They should've been punished for that, but a 1st round pick? That was excessive. That happened because of the media firestorm and the media's ignorance of the rules, as well as Goodell wanting to step out of Tagliabue's shadow and to scare other teams who might do it.
The most explosive allegation, taping the Rams walkthrough, ended up not being true. But the Broncos did it and got a slap on the wrist, I think more would have come of this if it were two serious contenders and not the Broncos and 49ers.
That is exactly the case. Every team can and does tape signals but from the locations explicitly allowed by the NFL for all taping purposes during games. Under the NFL's rules, taping signals is no different than taping the play on the field.
They lost a 1st round pick and all that cash because their camera was on the sideline instead of up in a box somewhere. Now, by breaking that rule it enables you to use video of signals in the middle of the game, which is the big no-no here, but all parties have said that the Patriots weren't doing that. They should've been punished for that, but a 1st round pick? That was excessive. That happened because of the media firestorm and the media's ignorance of the rules, as well as Goodell wanting to step out of Tagliabue's shadow and to scare other teams who might do it.
The most explosive allegation, taping the Rams walkthrough, ended up not being true. But the Broncos did it and got a slap on the wrist, I think more would have come of this if it were two serious contenders and not the Broncos and 49ers.
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[quote name='DrMunkee']Is Wallace not healthy? Or does Cleveland just really love watching Delhomme throw interceptions?[/QUOTE]
He's perfectly healthy, so I don't know why it seems like everybody thinks the job is only for either McCoy or Delhomme.
Joe Haden with another great pick. Seems like a candidate for defensive rookie of the year with five picks already this year.
He's perfectly healthy, so I don't know why it seems like everybody thinks the job is only for either McCoy or Delhomme.
Joe Haden with another great pick. Seems like a candidate for defensive rookie of the year with five picks already this year.
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']He's perfectly healthy, so I don't know why it seems like everybody thinks the job is only for either McCoy or Delhomme.
Joe Haden with another great pick. Seems like a candidate for defensive rookie of the year with five picks already this year.[/QUOTE]
I can't figure out why they're sticking with Delhomme either... or why he's making $19m this year between his Carolina and Cleveland contracts but oh well.
Haden has been pretty damn good. He's given up some big plays this year but I'm chalking it up to rookie mistakes and loving it every time I see him pull in front of the receiver and deflect it or pick it off. It's refreshing to see our high round draft picks producing so quickly.. except for Robiskie of course, kid's a bum.
Joe Haden with another great pick. Seems like a candidate for defensive rookie of the year with five picks already this year.[/QUOTE]
I can't figure out why they're sticking with Delhomme either... or why he's making $19m this year between his Carolina and Cleveland contracts but oh well.
Haden has been pretty damn good. He's given up some big plays this year but I'm chalking it up to rookie mistakes and loving it every time I see him pull in front of the receiver and deflect it or pick it off. It's refreshing to see our high round draft picks producing so quickly.. except for Robiskie of course, kid's a bum.
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For the LOVE OF CHRIST, Cleveland needs to pull Jake Delhomme. He has no passing TD's last week or this, and the Miami D is all over Hillis. Put Wallace in. He can scramble (advantage 1 over Delhomme) and I don't gasp every time he passes over 5 yards for fear of a pick (advantage 2 over Delhomme).
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The Browns' secondary has been redeemed.
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[quote name='RedvsBlue']Huh, whodathunk the answers to the Vikings problem was Tavaris Jackson and Leslie Frazier?[/QUOTE]
They played the bills....
They played the bills....
[quote name='gbpackers94']They played the bills....[/QUOTE]
That's the kind of stupidity I've come to expect from Packers fans!
Bills have played a very tough schedule and have been able to compete and keep several of those games close. Forcing 3 games into OT and losing by 3? Sure, they have a problem finishing but by no means is playing the Bills an easy win even though they didn't look too good today.
That's the kind of stupidity I've come to expect from Packers fans!
Bills have played a very tough schedule and have been able to compete and keep several of those games close. Forcing 3 games into OT and losing by 3? Sure, they have a problem finishing but by no means is playing the Bills an easy win even though they didn't look too good today.
Things are really starting to separate now. The top teams are a few games ahead of the non-contenders in each conference. In the NFC, Green Bay is on the outside looking in with the #7 seed and the only other team with a shot is the Bucs but they are 7-5 and fading. In the AFC, Oakland, San Diego Indy and Miami are all 6-6 and 2 full games behind the #6 seed although they are all still alive. These last 4 weeks are going to be nuts - I love how competitive the league is now and how they back loaded the schedule with division games.
[quote name='javeryh']These last 4 weeks are going to be nuts - I love how competitive the league is now and how they back loaded the schedule with division games.[/QUOTE]
Completely agree with backloading the schedule with division games and I don't think it could have been implemented in a better year. With the exception of a few teams (Cincinnati I'm looking at you), almost everyone is playing with a fire under their ass and a lot of the teams that were in the cellar last year are flirting with .500 records while "elite" teams have struggled all season.
Completely agree with backloading the schedule with division games and I don't think it could have been implemented in a better year. With the exception of a few teams (Cincinnati I'm looking at you), almost everyone is playing with a fire under their ass and a lot of the teams that were in the cellar last year are flirting with .500 records while "elite" teams have struggled all season.
[quote name='QiG']Completely agree with backloading the schedule with division games and I don't think it could have been implemented in a better year. With the exception of a few teams (Cincinnati I'm looking at you), almost everyone is playing with a fire under their ass and a lot of the teams that were in the cellar last year are flirting with .500 records while "elite" teams have struggled all season.[/QUOTE]
It means the Eagles get the suddenly competitive Cowboys in 2 out of the last 4 weeks! Although the Giants go to the suddenly competitive Minnesota this week. It really makes things exciting. Indy is 6-6 but if they run the table they win the division (because they will beat the Jags along the way). This is so much better than some team resting their starters at the end of the season. Even Atlanta, New England and the Jets who have the best records and only 2 losses can't rest because the second place teams are breathing down their necks.
It means the Eagles get the suddenly competitive Cowboys in 2 out of the last 4 weeks! Although the Giants go to the suddenly competitive Minnesota this week. It really makes things exciting. Indy is 6-6 but if they run the table they win the division (because they will beat the Jags along the way). This is so much better than some team resting their starters at the end of the season. Even Atlanta, New England and the Jets who have the best records and only 2 losses can't rest because the second place teams are breathing down their necks.
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The AFC South is going to be intriguing to watch these final weeks. Colts are a .500 team, the Jags have either run lukewarm or cold yet lead with a 7-5 record, and somehow both 5-7 teams can steal the division.
Completely agree with the strategy of backloading division games paying dividends. Very few teams are going to phone it in with so many legitimate playoff contenders still in the field (See you at the draft, Carolina).
Completely agree with the strategy of backloading division games paying dividends. Very few teams are going to phone it in with so many legitimate playoff contenders still in the field (See you at the draft, Carolina).
That first half couldn't have gone much better for the Patriots, particularly on D. A lot is said about their defensive woes, and no doubt there's truth to it, but the fact is they do have a lot of talent on D they're just young. While that means they're vulnerable to plenty of mistakes, it also means they're capable of games like tonight. That said, they do have the tendency to let teams back into games, so I'm hoping the Pats keep their foot on the gas.
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My personal favorite Rex moment tonight was the following IMMEDIATELY before and after he threw the challenge flag on the first drive when you could read his lips.
"That's a horse shit spot! That's a horse shit spot! What a horse shit spot! Hey, that's aing horse shit spot! That's a horse shit spot!"
Classic. Can he just say THAT in the postgame presser?
"That's a horse shit spot! That's a horse shit spot! What a horse shit spot! Hey, that's a
ing horse shit spot! That's a horse shit spot!"Classic. Can he just say THAT in the postgame presser?
[quote name='chimpster1313']My personal favorite Rex moment tonight was the following IMMEDIATELY before and after he threw the challenge flag on the first drive when you could read his lips.
"That's a horse shit spot! That's a horse shit spot! What a horse shit spot! Hey, that's aing horse shit spot! That's a horse shit spot!"
Classic. Can he just say THAT in the postgame presser?[/QUOTE]
It actually was a horseshit spot, but challenging it was still stupid when he was going for it anyway (especially since they picked it up)
"That's a horse shit spot! That's a horse shit spot! What a horse shit spot! Hey, that's a
ing horse shit spot! That's a horse shit spot!"Classic. Can he just say THAT in the postgame presser?[/QUOTE]
It actually was a horseshit spot, but challenging it was still stupid when he was going for it anyway (especially since they picked it up)
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