Official 2011-12 NFL Regular Season Thread

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[quote name='perdition(troy']ya, because Eli Manning's career 58% completion rating and TD/Int ratio is so great. Eli strikes fear into opponents.[/QUOTE]

Who cares about his ratings. He has two rings!!

Way to go Giants!!

What a game. I was watching it with my buddy who is a Patriots fan. It was a nail biter till the end.

Javery, do you have a link to that interview with Giselle?

edit: nevermind, found it

http://thebiglead.com/index.php/201...r-dropped-passes-after-super-bowl-loss-video/
 
[quote name='dothog']

To Broly and Vega, calling out Brady on the INT, I disagree on that: he saw a DE/OLB (93) way downfield in single coverage and tried to exploit it. On any other day, that would have been 87's ball, you just get it as close as you can and watch that crazy fucker grab it and go. But 87 was gimpy and useless. Maybe Brady should've considered that, but instinct probably took over and brady pissed himself at the sight of that mismatch.

Anyhow, the story of the game IMO is how the pats failed in spite of executing the critical parts of their gameplan. It was their game. Punks.[/QUOTE]

But that's exactly the problem. Gronkowski is essentially playing on one foot, and he under threw the ball, compounding the bad mistake. He had a wide open target. There was definitely no need to throw that pass.
 
[quote name='perdition(troy']ya, because Eli Manning's career 58% completion rating and TD/Int ratio is so great. Eli strikes fear into opponents.[/QUOTE]

Career stats are meaningless unless you are talking about the HOF. Otherwise, here are his fourth quarter numbers for this season. Good luck finding better ones.

Eli's Stats

P.S. Haters gonna hate.
 
[quote name='DestroVega']But that's exactly the problem. Gronkowski is essentially playing on one foot, and he under threw the ball, compounding the bad mistake. He had a wide open target. There was definitely no need to throw that pass.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I think instinct kicked in there. As mistakes go, I don't think it's fair to characterize it alongside drops or other glaring mistakes. He had the right idea, and that instinct has gotten him a lot of cleanup TDs in the past.
 
I don't get the Eli hate. So what if his brother's stats are better and who cares if he's not as impressive as Brady is most of the time? He has more rings than Peyton and he's bested Brady twice when it mattered most. Dude seems legit to me.

I think it's cool he finally gets to cast a bit of a shadow on his brother for once. I can't imagine how bad it would suck to constantly be compared as a quarterback to your brother if said brother was Peyton Manning.
 
I agree. If we are talking about individual careers, Peyton is clearly superior. He has won 4 league MVPs and a Super Bowl and a Super Bowl MVP. His career stats are ridiculous. However, as a Giants fan I'd rather have Eli than Peyton because Super Bowl wins are all I really care about.
 
The question Eli fans really have to ask themselves is did he get himself there ... or did his recievers?

I'd like to see a different QB play a couple games there and see what that does for them :D

As for that interception, a healthy Gronk should of caught that, an unhealthy Gronk should of just blasted the defender and took the penalty.
 
[quote name='strikeratt']The question Eli fans really have to ask themselves is did he get himself there ... or did his recievers?

I'd like to see a different QB play a couple games there and see what that does for them :D[/QUOTE]

Really? REALLY? Man, the internet is a crazy place.

Maybe we should see how the Pats do without Brady? Oh wait, they go 11-5 and don't seem to miss him that much.
 
[quote name='dothog']Yeah, I think instinct kicked in there. As mistakes go, I don't think it's fair to characterize it alongside drops or other glaring mistakes. He had the right idea, and that instinct has gotten him a lot of cleanup TDs in the past.[/QUOTE]
It was the right decision but poor execution, and it wasn't the only time he under threw a receiver who beat his man down the field. I would put those poor throws right up there with Welker's drop.

The Pats need to be a more balanced team going forward, Brady can carry you through a weak AFC East by himself but no further. Not now. He doesn't make those poor throws earlier in his career. They need to have other ways to win when Brady only gives them an average game.

They won their Superbowls because their play calling used to be ballsy. They used to ridicule teams who didn't play to win, but played not to lose. Now thay are that team.
 
[quote name='Javery']Really? REALLY? Man, the internet is a crazy place.

Maybe we should see how the Pats do without Brady? Oh wait, they go 11-5 and don't seem to miss him that much.[/QUOTE]
They lost 5 more games than the previous season. Indy lost 8 more games without Peyton when they were tanking for Luck.

I wouldn't disrespect Eli but Justin Tuck is the real two time MVP.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']
They won their Superbowls because their play calling used to be ballsy. [/QUOTE]

Having a championship caliber defense didn't hurt either.
 
[quote name='bvharris']Having a championship caliber defense didn't hurt either.[/QUOTE]
They held Eli to 19 points, they played far beyond any reasonable expectations. They made a big stop after Brady's last TD and gave him the ball back up 17-9.

They were moving the ball up and down the field on their two long drives, they spread it out... And when they could've gone up by two scores, they decided to run out the clock instead. That run on 1st down by Green-Ellis with 4 minutes to go, horrible decision.
 
Like how all the idiots that keep saying a healthy Gronk would have caught that int not considering the fact that the ball was still under thrown to the point a linebacker had better posistion regardless how healthy gronk would have been.
 
There's a rumor that the Browns are going to go after Mario Manningham, who the Giants apparently offered to them when they were looking to get rid of Braylon Edwards. Instead, they got Chansi Stuckey and Jason Trusnik from the Jets, which was a wash for them.

Former KC coach Todd Haley is Pittsburgh's new OC.

Ricky Williams is retiring, again.
 
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']There's a rumor that the Browns are going to go after Mario Manningham, who the Giants apparently offered to them when they were looking to get rid of Braylon Edwards. Instead, they got Chansi Stuckey and Jason Trusnik from the Jets, which was a wash for them.

Former KC coach Todd Haley is Pittsburgh's new OC.

Ricky Williams is retiring, again.[/QUOTE]

Manningham is not a #1 wide-out. Still has to have someone better on his team.
 
I'm about to comment a bit about the superbowl and something that stuck out to me at the very end was the interview with Timmy Brady (league reference). Honestly, he was pretty classy and spoke pretty well about the Giants in a very nice light. I know a lot of people are going to blame him for the loss but really he looked good out there and played well. Great game, great teams, great superbowl. That's all.
 
[quote name='DestroVega']Manningham is not a #1 wide-out. Still has to have someone better on his team.[/QUOTE]

yeah, I agree. As a Giants fan I really want him to stay but I know some team will overpay him based on that one catch - especially a contender that needs a WR (49ers, Pats, Broncos, etc.). I think there is less than a 10% chance we resign him, unfortunately. I can't blame him though - he should go wherever is offering the most guaranteed money.
 
[quote name='Reo 15x']I'm about to comment a bit about the superbowl and something that stuck out to me at the very end was the interview with Timmy Brady (league reference). Honestly, he was pretty classy and spoke pretty well about the Giants in a very nice light. I know a lot of people are going to blame him for the loss but really he looked good out there and played well. Great game, great teams, great superbowl. That's all.[/QUOTE]

It's obvious the loss really bothered him, unlike some of his teammates who went out partying after the game.
 
[quote name='DestroVega']Manningham is not a #1 wide-out. Still has to have someone better on his team.[/QUOTE]
I don't think they'd sign him to be the #1 receiver, as the rumor suggests that it would be Greg Little and Mario as the starters. This just seems to be a "rumor" based on an interview from the Plain Dealer that noted his ties to the area and got a "no comment" in response to a question about coming to Cleveland.

I'd prefer drafting Justin Blackmon and maybe picking up an experienced receiver on the cheap to give them Cribbs, Blackmon, Little, Jordan Norwood, and the FA as their top five receivers.

The site I read this on, through the ESPN Scorecenter app, is one that posts any rumor it can find and acts like they're all likely.
 
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']I don't think they'd sign him to be the #1 receiver, as the rumor suggests that it would be Greg Little and Mario as the starters. This just seems to be a "rumor" based on an interview from the Plain Dealer that noted his ties to the area and got a "no comment" in response to a question about coming to Cleveland.

I'd prefer drafting Justin Blackmon and maybe picking up an experienced receiver on the cheap to give them Cribbs, Blackmon, Little, Jordan Norwood, and the FA as their top five receivers.

The site I read this on, through the ESPN Scorecenter app, is one that posts any rumor it can find and acts like they're all likely.[/QUOTE]

Little isn't close to being a #1 though. He definitely CAN be, but not even close. Blackmon's draft stock is tumbling huge though, and I don't know why. Gonna ask some friend's who evaluate mocks closely.
 
Despite being the #3 receiver at first and moving up to #2, Greg Little got the most time on the field amongst receivers and targets of any of their receivers, so he's their #1 receiver for now. Whether he's your idea of a #1 receiver or not isn't the point.
 
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']Despite being the #3 receiver at first and moving up to #2, Greg Little got the most time on the field amongst receivers and targets of any of their receivers, so he's their #1 receiver for now. Whether he's your idea of a #1 receiver or not isn't the point.[/QUOTE]

No, but that kind of is the point. Manningham signs there, he's easily the best WR, therefore the #1, whether it says so on the chart or not. I don't think he's that type of player though. I think he needs to be somewhere where he isn't the best WR on the team.

But that's just my opinion.
 
Sorry I'm late to the thread somehow I couldnt find it on my mobile but congrats to the Giants.

Even though the Welker drop sticks out as a missed opportunity I think what was arguably more frustrating was in the beginning of the game the Pats get called for the 12 men on the field penalty that negated the fumble recovery leading to the Giants scoring drive. Wow what luck. Such an egregious error. Right after the timeout!

smh

Gisele is right too. We unfairly put up individual legacies when its a team sport. This isnt tennis. Its asinine to prop players with rings as the sole argument. Its just convenient. Trent Dilfer anyone? Peyton would have way more rings if he had a better supporting cast around him. This season is a perfect example of what I mean.
 
[quote name='bvharris']The Pats needed to let them score about 2 plays ago.

Wow. Bradshaw is an idiot.[/QUOTE]

This. I think Belicheck and coaching staff mismanaged the last 4 minutes. The challenge was clearly a bad call that wasted a timeout. They should have burned the timeouts instead of saving them. Giants will milk the 40 seconds while the offense will manage whatever time they have left. I felt they didn't give Brady as much time as he should have had.

Is it just me but does it not make sense that the Giants 12 men on the field penalty on the final drive actually helped more than hurt themselves? It doesn't make sense to me that the Pats end up giving up 5 seconds for 5 yards. The 5 seconds lost are worth way more than the 5 yard penalty gain.
 
The 12 men on the field reminded me of this I read a while back.
Buddy Ryan’s "Polish Goal Line" Defense Was Against The Rules, And That Was The Point

This diagram is supposed to be from the Houston Oilers' playbook in 1993, the one season Buddy Ryan spent as the team's defensive coordinator. It depicts a special goal-line formation Ryan designed for the end of the half or the end of the game—situations in which there were "less than 15 seconds," in Ryan's words, according to the rest of the playbook page posted at Smart Football. You'll notice that there are 14 defenders. The idea is to allow the offense to run a free play, which more than 11 defenders would presumably be able to stop, with the understanding that a penalty has to be taken. The purpose is to force precious seconds to waste away, leaving the offense with less time to maneuver.
Click to expand...
http://deadspin.com/5851460/buddy-r...-was-against-the-rules-and-that-was-the-point

NFL should give the offense 5 yards and the time put back on the clock if its 12 men under a minute in the half/end of game, but we know it will take a coach with the balls to put in 14 defensive players before a rule change takes place.
 
[quote name='DT778']The 12 men on the field reminded me of this I read a while back.
http://deadspin.com/5851460/buddy-r...-was-against-the-rules-and-that-was-the-point

NFL should give the offense 5 yards and the time put back on the clock if its 12 men under a minute in the half/end of game, but we know it will take a coach with the balls to put in 14 defensive players before a rule change takes place.[/QUOTE]

There is only one problem with your suggestion. What happens if the offense completes the pass or better yet scores? You either blow the play dead or you run off the clock. Can't have it both ways.
 
I just dont like how it played out. Doesnt make sense that the Pats essentially exchanged 5 seconds for 5 yards. You can run off even more time than that for just 5 yards theoretically. I think there should be some modification of sorts to this.
 
[quote name='kill3r7']There is only one problem with your suggestion. What happens if the offense completes the pass or better yet scores? You either blow the play dead or you run off the clock. Can't have it both ways.[/QUOTE]

Couldn't the offense decline the penalty like an off-sides or something?
 
[quote name='Javery']Couldn't the offense decline the penalty like an off-sides or something?[/QUOTE]

Yes the offense can decline the penalty but the clock wouldn't stop until the whistle blows. So either way you would still end up with the same situation we had at the end of the game. There is no way around it short of counting the players on the field.
 
Oh - I was thinking they should change the rule to:

1. take a 5 yard penalty plus put the time back on the clock or
2. decline the penalty, take the result of the play (which would presumably be a better outcome than the 5 yards + time).

Either way... GIANTS!!!!!!!
 
[quote name='kill3r7']Yes the offense can decline the penalty but the clock wouldn't stop until the whistle blows. So either way you would still end up with the same situation we had at the end of the game. There is no way around it short of counting the players on the field.[/QUOTE]No you won't end up with the same situation. If this rule was in place the Patriots would have got the 5 yards but time would have been reset at whatever it was when they hiked it.
 
[quote name='DT778']No you won't end up with the same situation. If this rule was in place the Patriots would have got the 5 yards but time would have been reset at whatever it was when they hiked it.[/QUOTE]

It's my understanding that the clock is not reset when an offsides penalty occurs. Thus, the same logic would apply in this case. The defense in both scenarios has an advantage and they are penalized 5 yards for it or the Offense gets result of the play. Either way the clock runs until the whistle blows.
 
The NFL as a rule is far less careful with its clock than any other sport. You almost always see a couple of extra seconds tick off on any field goal attempt, for example. I don't think it's a huge deal though, those 7 or 8 seconds on the last drive might have afforded the Patriots one more play, but it wasn't the reason they lost.
 
[quote name='bvharris']The NFL as a rule is far less careful with its clock than any other sport. You almost always see a couple of extra seconds tick off on any field goal attempt, for example. I don't think it's a huge deal though, those 7 or 8 seconds on the last drive might have afforded the Patriots one more play, but it wasn't the reason they lost.[/QUOTE]

I would have been going MENTAL if the situation was reversed. The Indy Clock Running Guy (official title) was clearly running 2 or 3 more seconds off the clock on a couple of occasions near the end of the game. I agree it wasn't the reason they lost but one or 2 more plays at the end would have really helped.

It is crazy to think that if the hail mary at the end worked everyone would be talking about how Brady = Montana (he surely would have gotten the MVP - that would have been his 3rd TD pass and his yards would have been well over 300) and everyone would be killing the Giants for mismanaging the clock on the Bradshaw TD.

I also find this very interesting: New England’s Belichick is widely considered the greatest coach of his generation. But he’s 1-5 vs. Coughlin – including 0-6 against the spread (for those of you who care about things). In other words, Coughlin not only routinely beats Belichick like no other coach in football, he routinely exceed the public’s expectations along the way.

Count me among the fans who thought it was time for a HC change. I still can't believe it.
 
[quote name='kill3r7']It's my understanding that the clock is not reset when an offsides penalty occurs. Thus, the same logic would apply in this case. The defense in both scenarios has an advantage and they are penalized 5 yards for it or the Offense gets result of the play. Either way the clock runs until the whistle blows.[/QUOTE]That is how the rule is now but we're talking about a change to that rule.
 
[quote name='Javery']I would have been going MENTAL if the situation was reversed. The Indy Clock Running Guy (official title) was clearly running 2 or 3 more seconds off the clock on a couple of occasions near the end of the game. I agree it wasn't the reason they lost but one or 2 more plays at the end would have really helped.
[/QUOTE]

A couple of other plays would have helped sure, but it wasn't like that's a situation that was unique to the Super Bowl. That happens in pretty much every NFL game, so I'm used to it. I wish they were more exact with the clock, but at least it's handled pretty consistently.
 
[quote name='DT778']That is how the rule is now but we're talking about a change to that rule.[/QUOTE]

Well if you want to change the rule than make it so it's an automatic 5 yard penalty (the offense does not get a free play) just like encroachment (thus eliminating the offsides penalty as well). Anything else would be unfair IMO.
 
[quote name='bvharris']A couple of other plays would have helped sure, but it wasn't like that's a situation that was unique to the Super Bowl. That happens in pretty much every NFL game, so I'm used to it. I wish they were more exact with the clock, but at least it's handled pretty consistently.[/QUOTE]

It drives me nuts all year too. The NFL is so casual about things like the spot of the ball but is so technical as to whether a first down is made. It's just part of the game but it's always something I found odd. The side judge runs in and places his foot at the spot of the ball and then places the ball on the ground and then they measure it to an inch or less!
 
[quote name='RAMSTORIA']I had a dream last night the 49ers somehow pulled a trade to get Luck in the draft.

Now I'm sad.[/QUOTE]

Too bad Luck's dad isn't named Archie Manning, or maybe he still could be.
 
[quote name='RAMSTORIA']I had a dream last night the 49ers somehow pulled a trade to get Luck in the draft.

Now I'm sad.[/QUOTE]

I'm still hurting over the playoff loss. This is gonna sting for a long, long time....
 
[quote name='RAMSTORIA']I had a dream last night the 49ers somehow pulled a trade to get Luck in the draft.

Now I'm sad.[/QUOTE]

As an Indy fan and most of all a big fan of Peyton Manning. It would be amazing to have Peyton go to the 49ers even though that is unlikely, he would win a superbowl with you guys and honestly that's what he needs. I understand what Irsay is doing but he's being so political about it, I want to see Peyton be treated decently and go to a good team so he can finish off his career with just as many or more rings than Eli.
 
[quote name='Reo 15x']As an Indy fan and most of all a big fan of Peyton Manning. It would be amazing to have Peyton go to the 49ers even though that is unlikely, he would win a superbowl with you guys and honestly that's what he needs. I understand what Irsay is doing but he's being so political about it, I want to see Peyton be treated decently and go to a good team so he can finish off his career with just as many or more rings than Eli.[/QUOTE]

Peyton doesn't fit into their offense scheme at all, and would hurt their defense too. They just need WRs and they should be good to roll.
 
[quote name='DestroVega']Peyton doesn't fit into their offense scheme at all, and would hurt their defense too. They just need WRs and they should be good to roll.[/QUOTE]

Any team that Manning goes to is going to have to adjust their offense to accommodate what he does. He's not going to come in and re-learn a whole new offensive system at this stage in his career. I'm sure to some extent he'll meet a team halfway on that, but for the most part he's going to want to do what he's been successful doing.

As much as I hate to say it as a Patriots fan, if I'm Manning I'm headed to Miami. They've got a very respectable team in place, good receivers, decent defense, a stud LT, etc. I think he could do very well there assuming he's healthy.
 
[quote name='Reo 15x']As an Indy fan and most of all a big fan of Peyton Manning. It would be amazing to have Peyton go to the 49ers even though that is unlikely, he would win a superbowl with you guys and honestly that's what he needs. I understand what Irsay is doing but he's being so political about it, I want to see Peyton be treated decently and go to a good team so he can finish off his career with just as many or more rings than Eli.[/QUOTE]

There has been plenty of talk about Manning to SF on the ol' internet. I agree that he could probably take them to a Super Bowl, but I think the odds are very slim that he comes here.
 
[quote name='TheBigAndy']I think Manning will go to Tennessee. They need a QB, he is from there and I think he is going to want to stick it to the Colts. We will see.[/QUOTE]

Manning's still under contract though and there's no way they'll trade him to someone in their own division. Unless they release him or he retires, they basically are in complete control of where he goes or what he does.
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']Manning's still under contract though and there's no way they'll trade him to someone in their own division. Unless they release him or he retires, they basically are in complete control of where he goes or what he does.[/QUOTE]

I haven't been playing too much attention to the situation, but my understanding was that it's a foregone conclusion he'll be released so they don't need to pay that gigantic roster bonus. I don't believe trading him is viewed as a viable option.
 
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