Official 2011-2012 NBA Season thread

Link? Any other info that isn't as vague? The only team I can think of is the Kings, who have a new arena deal that is pending a vote last time I read up on it.
 
The league took over the Hornets to keep them from relocating, otherwise they would have already moved.

Stern would love to have a rotation of cities to threaten small markets into building new arenas and taking on more of their building and operating costs.
 
Great Laker-Heat game. Wade dumbass foul out. Dudes starting to look cheap with that karate kick he try on Bynum. LeBron prove that he was the best player with that defensive he play on Gasol.
 
[quote name='soulvengeance']Am I seeing this right, D-Will dropped 57 points?[/QUOTE]

To be fair, it was against the Charlotte Bobcats.
 
[quote name='j.t']Great Laker-Heat game. Wade dumbass foul out. Dudes starting to look cheap with that karate kick he try on Bynum. LeBron prove that he was the best player with that defensive he play on Gasol.[/QUOTE]

Lebron's post defense on Gasol was instructional video-worthy. Kobe's jumpshot (and space creation) was a thing of beauty all day. Fun game to watch, and something that should be required viewing for young players.
 
Here's what should happen:

#1 - Retract the Charlotte Bobcats
#2 - Move the New Orleans Hornets back to Charlotte
#3 - Give a new team to Seattle
 
Seattle retained the rights to the "Sonics" name. Whatever team that goes there (if any) would be renamed the Sonics. I would have been all for the Hornets moving to Seattle so that the current Charlotte franchise could have the Hornets name back mostly because the name "Bobcats" and the orange, blue and gray colors really suck. Of course Bob Johnson had to get his name into the team name, at least that's how I saw it when it was announced.

I think the only reason the league stepped in and kept the Hornets from moving is so Stern wouldn't get egg on his face for approving the move from Charlotte in the first place.

BTW, George Shinn was the second worst owner of the past few decades right behind Donald Sterling.
 
Dallas not getting dirk the ball at the end of games is really pissing me off. Why they don't run their offense through the German is mind boggling. Carlilse needs to make the team watch the playoffs from last year.
 
Magic are so up and down this year. Lose to the Bobcats the other day (worst record in the league) beat the Bulls (best record in league) last night.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Magic are so up and down this year. Lose to the Bobcats the other day (worst record in the league) beat the Bulls (best record in league) last night.[/QUOTE]

Do you want to know if the Magic won or lost on any given night? Then look at their 3pt shooting percentage. Yesterday they started off red hot and build a big lead. They were up by 12 or 15 pts with about 2 min to go before the half. Yet they go to the locker room only up 5. The Bulls comeback down 1 with about 4 min to go and Orlando hits a couple of 3s and all of a sudden they are looking pretty. They blew a 20pt lead against the bobcats because they shot poorly from outside the arc and barely got to the line. You live by the three and you die by it.
 
[quote name='Feeding the Abscess']If LeBron doesn't win the MVP unanimously the award is entirely meaningless.[/QUOTE]

Haven't we already seen that statistics do not make an MVP? After all, Chris Paul didn't win it when he put up a record-breaking season. Don't get me wrong; Lebron is putting up the single greatest statistical season in the history of the game. However, given the incredibly vague definition of "Most Valuable," at least as voted upon by sportswriters, it's impossible to say what actually earns the award. Generally, it seems to be the best player on the team with the best record, which to me always seemed a bit reductive.

Did Lebron earn those MVPs when he was in Cleveland? Absolutely. Those teams wouldn't have beaten most college teams, and he made them contenders. That's valuable. But then Nash won two when Kobe single-handedly kept the Lakers in the playoffs (with Kwame Brown, remember, which is like playing golf without your arms). And Kobe finally won it when CP3 put up that crazy season and led the Hornets to a great record.

To sum up: Who knows what that damn award means.
 
The Cavs finish off the road trip by beating Oklahoma City on the road, which makes them only the second team to do so this year. It seemed like they didn't take the Cavs seriously as the game was ending and let the team that was playing hard run away with it.
 
[quote name='Feeding the Abscess']If LeBron doesn't win the MVP unanimously the award is entirely meaningless.[/QUOTE]

Oscar Robertson didn't win the year he averaged a triple double.
 
[quote name='soulvengeance']Oscar Robertson didn't win the year he averaged a triple double.[/QUOTE]

Wilt had a better statistical season than Oscar, and he didn't get it either.

Past incompetence is no excuse for present ignorance.

[quote name='BigSpoonyBard']Haven't we already seen that statistics do not make an MVP? After all, Chris Paul didn't win it when he put up a record-breaking season. Don't get me wrong; Lebron is putting up the single greatest statistical season in the history of the game. However, given the incredibly vague definition of "Most Valuable," at least as voted upon by sportswriters, it's impossible to say what actually earns the award. Generally, it seems to be the best player on the team with the best record, which to me always seemed a bit reductive.

Did Lebron earn those MVPs when he was in Cleveland? Absolutely. Those teams wouldn't have beaten most college teams, and he made them contenders. That's valuable. But then Nash won two when Kobe single-handedly kept the Lakers in the playoffs (with Kwame Brown, remember, which is like playing golf without your arms). And Kobe finally won it when CP3 put up that crazy season and led the Hornets to a great record.

To sum up: Who knows what that damn award means.[/QUOTE]

Kobe wasn't robbed (especially 04-05, he was lit up on defense that year) those Nash years, Dirk was. Chris Paul's 08-09 was better than his 07-08, even. Paul was robbed in 07-08 for sure, but LeBron was better in 08-09. Rose last year was Nash-level bad, too.

But yeah, point taken. It's in the coffin, it's waiting for its final nail.
 
The Magic are doomed. They should just let him walk because they are making it worse each and every time they open their mouths.

Start planning for the future, he doesnt want to be there just accept it and move on. Although they should have fired Van Gundy a long time ago, that guy sucks.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Wow. Magic are getting desperate. Apparently the owner is willing to give Howard say in whether Van Gundy and GM Otis Smith are fired or not.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/e...o-let-dwight-howard-decide-on-van-gundy-smith

Can't say I like that. I'm not fan of either, but a player shouldn't have that much influence on management. If Dwight wants that to stay, trade his ass and rebuild.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, that's ridiculous. If he wants that, he should pony up the money and buy the Hornets, then he can do whatever he wants, and play too.
 
Crazy. I'd think Orlando could have given them a better trade than that with Redick or Richardson and some of their young bigs (Orton, Clarke, Harper etc.).

Anyway, Magic beat the Heat in OT tonight. Despite all the Howard distractions, they've still having a pretty decent year. 28-15 now.

Still baffling why Howard still has the Nets at the top of his trade list. Him and Williams with a bunch of nobodies after they give up the little talent they have and draft picks to get Howard will be a worse team than the current Magic roster.

I can get the Mavs angle as at least he'd be parred up with Dirk and some solid role players, and they'd have a good chance of signing Williams as a free agent if they could make the salaries work. So I don't get why the Mavs are number 2 for him. Unless he just cares more about being in a larger city like New York more than he cares about winning titles...
 
Fantastic game tonight between Memphis and Lakers. Went to double OT. Lakers pulled it out in the end.
Bynum against Marc Gasol was a phenomenal battle down low worth the price of admission. Bynum put up 37pts and 16 rbs.
Kobe put in work 50+ mins tonights.
 
I don't really understand why the Warriors always trade away their young talent for old/injured players.

This trade doesn't make sense for the Warriors unless Bogut starts putting up allstar numbers when he is off injury.

Bucks win that trade hands down (get Monta, get rid of Jackson, Kwame expiring contract).
 
[quote name='j.t']Fantastic game tonight between Memphis and Lakers. Went to double OT. Lakers pulled it out in the end.
Bynum against Marc Gasol was a phenomenal battle down low worth the price of admission. Bynum put up 37pts and 16 rbs.
Kobe put in work 50+ mins tonights.[/QUOTE]

Mike Brown is going to kill Kobe. If they go deep in the playoffs and then he does the Olympics he won't have anything left for next year.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Wow. Magic are getting desperate. Apparently the owner is willing to give Howard say in whether Van Gundy and GM Otis Smith are fired or not.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/e...o-let-dwight-howard-decide-on-van-gundy-smith

Can't say I like that. I'm not fan of either, but a player shouldn't have that much influence on management. If Dwight wants that to stay, trade his ass and rebuild.[/QUOTE]

Hate to say this but if firing Van Gundy means Howard will stay, you got to do it. If you look at teams that traded a super star they almost alway regret it. You are just not gonna find another franchise player but you can find another good coach and gm that will fit his style.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Crazy. I'd think Orlando could have given them a better trade than that with Redick or Richardson and some of their young bigs (Orton, Clarke, Harper etc.).

Anyway, Magic beat the Heat in OT tonight. Despite all the Howard distractions, they've still having a pretty decent year. 28-15 now.

Still baffling why Howard still has the Nets at the top of his trade list. Him and Williams with a bunch of nobodies after they give up the little talent they have and draft picks to get Howard will be a worse team than the current Magic roster.

I can get the Mavs angle as at least he'd be parred up with Dirk and some solid role players, and they'd have a good chance of signing Williams as a free agent if they could make the salaries work. So I don't get why the Mavs are number 2 for him. Unless he just cares more about being in a larger city like New York more than he cares about winning titles...[/QUOTE]

They're not getting both nobody is taking that Marion contract off their hands. they'll be lucky to even get 1.

Speaking of which, I don't know why delusional fans of any team think that they're somehow guaranteed to get a certain player in free agency just cause its their hometown, this isnt a D Rose or Lebron situation where they were lucky to get drafted by the city they were from. I don't see Bosh wanting to come to Dallas or Pierce wanting to goto Golden State/La etc

Howard should stay and Orlando Tragic should offer the Nets whatever they want as long as its not too much to get Williams.
 
[quote name='renique46']They're not getting both nobody is taking that Marion contract off their hands. they'll be lucky to even get 1.

Speaking of which, I don't know why delusional fans of any team think that they're somehow guaranteed to get a certain player in free agency just cause its their hometown, this isnt a D Rose or Lebron situation where they were lucky to get drafted by the city they were from. I don't see Bosh wanting to come to Dallas or Pierce wanting to goto Golden State/La etc

Howard should stay and Orlando Tragic should offer the Nets whatever they want as long as its not too much to get Williams.[/QUOTE]

90 percent salary rule kicks in next year. Matrix is also going to get 1st team all NBA defense this season and only has two years left on his deal.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Crazy. I'd think Orlando could have given them a better trade than that with Redick or Richardson and some of their young bigs (Orton, Clarke, Harper etc.).[/quote]
I am glad the Magic got out. Ellis is Nelson part 2. We need more of a point than that guy.

Still baffling why Howard still has the Nets at the top of his trade list. Him and Williams with a bunch of nobodies after they give up the little talent they have and draft picks to get Howard will be a worse team than the current Magic roster.
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They don't need to deal for him. The latest rumor is he walks at the end to the Nets and they keep Lopez. They would be big downlow with a good point (williams) and a shooter (marrow). It actually would be a pretty good team; given the FA window where quality mids would go to. It makes sense for him at this point to say "I want to be a Magic to see this out." Why deal the quality pieces he is going to if they could still sign him for top (minus the 30 mil extra the Magic could offer) in FA.

As for his demands deal, I hate the superstar league idea. Sure, what magic fan wouldn't like to see Otis Smith walk out the door... But is it really Howard's say... I don't believe so.
 
Pfft. Mike system was shit and it was never going to work with the roster they have. You have 2 ball hawking players and you want th to give up everything they do right, everything that got them to the MBA and stand in the wings like they kyle kover. You have to adapt your god damn system to your roster and he refused. Watching that system was painful.
 
Melo gets his wish. There was a reason why Atlanta's offense was known as "Iso-Joe" under Mike Woodson. Expect the Knicks to become Iso-Melo.
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']Pfft. Mike system was shit and it was never going to work with the roster they have. You have 2 ball hawking players and you want th to give up everything they do right, everything that got them to the MBA and stand in the wings like they kyle kover. You have to adapt your god damn system to your roster and he refused. Watching that system was painful.[/QUOTE]

Wait, what? Most successful teams I've seen, the players need to adapt to the system, not the other way around. Phil Jackson brought the triangle to LA, and the team adapted and won multiple championships. Not saying that D'Antoni's system would have brought them a title, but why is it on him and not on Melo?
 
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