Official 2011-2012 NBA Season thread

[quote name='Soodmeg']Oh you don't want to hear how melo just put up 40 and hit the game winning shoot to prevent the sweep? [/quote]
Game winning? Try game leading. There was plenty of time for a comeback. Melo missed 2 of 3 free throws to hold onto that lead. If Wade didn't fumble the ball, the game potentially points a win in Miami's favor.

But...
[quote name='renique46']Kinda shocked though Miami seemed to not even care about that game as if they lost it on purpose just to win at home[/quote]
Renique already knew that.

least shut people up for a day
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Nope. These are NBA players. Any of these guys can go off on a given night. Hell Jeremy Lin dropped 38 earlier this year and the dude was pretty much a d-leaguer.

Fact: Melo was shooting 34.4% in the first 3 games. Poor ass shooting for a "top 5 player" as claimed by Soodmeg after the trade.
Source for claim: http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8195259&postcount=1828

[quote name='soodmeg']The guy hasnt done, said or commented on anything that has put himself in a bad light. He embraced Lin, he embraced the coaching change, he embraced Stat. He wanted to be in NY and he got there, he hasnt done a single thing that would be worthy of all the hate he gets. [/quote]
Are you kidding me... The dude refused to play in Denver, forced his way out, very public wedding to MTV host, recently got a coach ran off, and has a big ass self portrait on the wall in his house (just to show off the ego). And that didn't have anything to do with the light on him... not to mentioned the fact that some people call him a top 5 player (a hugely ridiculous claim). Now do you understand why some people put him down. There are other NBA "superstars" out there that don't do the stuff he has done and don't get the hate he does. Now does it click?

So I dont get why Melo gets all this hate yet ing Andre Iggy doesnt get any for loosing all these years in Philly.
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Oh poor me. Iggy hasn't come across egocentric and demanding anything. He comes to work and plays hard for the team that pays for him. Iggy's team is potentially going onto the next round this year. Not too harsh for a young team around him and Brand.

Who gives a shit? Again, I dont actually care that much about Melo I just hate more than anything fandom bullshit and will continue to call you guys out on it.
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Fandom? I am not any fan of the Knicks or their terrible organization. Let alone Melo. All I stated was (even long ago)... Melo is overrated and a selfish player. To date, he still is proving exactly that. Again who gives a shit... You are still trying to prove your claim (even though you backtracked this year ;) ) and we are still proving you wrong. You give it up and you will notice we will. Plain and simple.
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']Oh you don't want to hear how melo just put up 40 and hit the game winning shoot to prevent the sweep?

Hmmmmmm.

Haters gonna mother fucking hate I guess. The harder you guys push the more fun I have with it. I want them to win the ring not because I like them but because it's more fun that way.


Muaahahahahahahahahahah.[/QUOTE]

The guy finally had a good game, and this means what? Elite players don't have a good game, a bad game, a good game, a bad game. Elite players are always elite. Even at their worst, they find a way. That isn't Melo. Anyone who knows basketball knows this. I find it funny that you're always the one questioning people's knowledge, when it's completely clear you know almost nothing at all about basketball or professional sports at all. The Heat defense has made Melo look weak and slow almost the entire series.
 
Carmelo isn't a top player in the NBA?

Heh?

If I can recall correctly, doesn't Melo have like the most clutch shots/game winners over anyone in the NBA (more than Kobe, LeBron, Wade, Durant, etc)?

The one major flaw in Melo's game is his defense but he is an offensive machine.
 
[quote name='antlp89']Carmelo isn't a top player in the NBA?[/quote]
Superstar... sure. Top player... hell no.

If I can recall correctly, doesn't Melo have like the most clutch shots/game winners over anyone in the NBA (more than Kobe, LeBron, Wade, Durant, etc)?
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Based on this year, nope. 3rd in clutch points but he attempted more "clutch" shots than anyone on the list. His percentages are terrible compared to other guys listed.
Source: http://www.82games.com/1112/CSORT11.HTM

The one major flaw in Melo's game is his defense but he is an offensive machine.
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How can you be a top player in the NBA when you are a league worse in one HALF of the game?

[quote name='soodmeg']You are right Antip Melo factually is the clutchest NBA player since entering the league.[/quote]
Questionable statement. But for fun... Robert Horry is maybe the most clutch player (not named Jordan) in NBA history. At any point in his career, is he listed as one of the top players in the league... let me answer that one for you... No.

Again...no real fan who has real knowledge spends any time trying to rank top players....only kids and weekend djs do that.
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You were the one that started ranking players in last year's thread. Including your blatant statement calling him Top 5. So I guess you aren't a real fan based on your own logic. :roll:

Well about how Kobe who cheated on his wife and was accused of rape?
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And Kobe doesn't get shit on even more than Melo... Come on dude. People hate on him too. The difference is Kobe has some rings to back up his skills plus an MVP and 9x All Defensive First Team to prove he is an all around GREAT player.

What about the Birdman who was a crack dealer and user for half his life?
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If you are referring to Chris Andersen, he wasn't a crack dealer. It hasn't been publically disclosed what drug he was tested positive for. Either way, he was a user and for all we know it could have been only going for a little time (since the NBA screens 4 times yearly). Andersen worked extremely hard to change that image of him.

you take this holier than thou attitude towards things like moving teams
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I have never stated anything that pointed that way.
 
Eh, Kobe doesn't deserve most of those all-defensive nominations. Those are almost purely reputation, and some guys have completely unearned defensive reps. Kobe was awesome the first title season with Shaq and Phil, and that was about it. His DRtg has been worse than his team's in most seasons, and yet he's getting 1st team all-defense? In 2004-2005 his DRtg was worse than Steve effing Nash. In 2006-2007 he was again worse than his team and league average, and he racked up another 1st team all-defense. I'm not even going to look into his other seasons, I'll just raise my blood pressure.
 
Can we put the Carmello thing to rest already? Bickering about who says what about him is pointless. Ranking players is a fun exercise for bar chats, but we're taking it a bit far and losing sight of the fact that there are basketball games being played right now, even if they aren't the most competitive series so far.

Can we all agree on a truce?
 
[quote name='lordopus99']You were the one that started ranking players in last year's thread. Including your blatant statement calling him Top 5. So I guess you aren't a real fan based on your own logic. :roll:[/QUOTE]

:applause::applause::applause:

LMAO! So completely and utterly owned, I don't even know what else to say. Not only he is clueless and uninformed, he also apparently quite schizophrenic!
 
Memphis played hard last night against LAC. I had forgotten LAC had been so bad for so many years. Its been ages since they may it to the second rd.
 
Everyone needs other star players to win a championship. No one will ever do it alone. Why do you think Lebron never won it in Cleveland? Why didn't Kobe win after Shaq and before Pau? Where was Jordan before Pippen? Where was DWade before Shaq? Did Duncan win by himself? Did Hakeem?

Even back in the 80's, Magic and Byrd played with other HOFers. Get over it.
 
Dont know what/who you are talking to Brownjohn...I dont think anyone is disputing that in anyway.
 
I am.

On a more serious note, Horford will be starting his first game tonight since Jan 11th in G5 vs the Celtics. Had this been 2 games ago, I'd have been worried. The Celtics just owned the Hawks (up 37 at one point) and I'm pretty sure that game 5 ends in a win for the away team.

Anybody else waiting for the playoffs to get exciting? Hope round 2 is better than round 1.
 
The Hawks are forever done. Ugh, the thing I hate about basketball is there there are so many playoffs busters that have no hope of going on.

Maybe they should go back to the 3-5-5-7 (??) format. There is very little chance for an upset when its played over 7 games, you can count out more than half of every team in the playoffs before the first whistle is blown.
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']Unless you are Dirk? Please....Dirk was no where near winning a title on his own.

Kidd, Jet, T-Chan, Marion, JJ in that order was on par or slightly below in importance for their run. There isnt a single other superstar that had more help to win a title than Dirk.


MUAHAHAHAH.....Kidd is a first ballot HOF, Marion is borderline but should get in (being one of the greatest defenders of all time) T-Chan is one of the best defensive Centers not named Howard in the last couple years, Jet is one of the clutchest 2nd options in the NBA, and JJ did his best when an older Kidd had to take his nap each qrt.


Please.......Dirk cant even be counted as Batman......I can see why you are writing off Jet just 1 season after he won you a title, too much Dirk envy.[/QUOTE]

There are three teams with only one all star to win a title in the past 30 years. 04 Pistons, 11 Mavs, and 94 Rockets. That is it. Your argument is laughable. They went 2-7 in the games he missed during the regular season. Dude averages 25 and 10 in the playoffs. There are only 3 other people who have averaged that. Dirk is the alpha dog that led them to the promised land. Go watch the OKC series if you doubt him. He straight up abused people in that series.

I am not knocking the other guys. You always need key contributors on a championship squad, but let's be real. JET had the first good postseason he has had in forever last year, and they got unreal play from Barea, Kidd, Marion, and Chandler. That said, none of those guys were an all star last year. Butler might have gotten the nod if he didn't blow out his knee, but he blew out his knee and Dallas still kept on rolling because the German is a beast.
 
Feels a little like you are although I wont argue you it.

You have HOF in very key positions, HOF PG, HOF defensive specialist who can guard every position, Top 5 defensive center who is over 7ft. A better than solid 2 guard who can score 20 a night and hit a game winning shot in his sleep.

I mean...you had A LOT that no other team can claim, hell you have 3 veteran HOFs and the 2 how are not HOF first ballot are both top at their position. You act as though you are playing chop liver.

I would say your beast is actually Mark Cuban. Talk about disrespect for the other players man.....
 
Lol @ 04 pistons having just 1 star when Rip sheed and Billups helped make that team a ECF regular for damn near 5 years fuck outta here
 
[quote name='renique46']Lol @ 04 pistons having just 1 star when Rip sheed and Billups helped make that team a ECF regular for damn near 5 years fuck outta here[/QUOTE]

None of those players were superstars, which is why it is the exception to the rule. It was a team with 4 very very good players in their prime. That said, if Kobe wasn't a bitch and Karl Malone doesn't get hurt that team doesn't win a title. They don't even get there the following year if Wade doesn't get hurt. They caught some lucky breaks along the way.
 
Being that I live in Michigan I followed Detroit a lot during that run....Sheed was a star level player, Billups was a star level PG, Rip was a star level SG, Prince was a star level defensive player who could guard up to 3 positions. Ben Wallace was a superstar defender/rebounder.

I really have no idea why people think they had a bunch of chumps. The team was much better than people give them credit for. They had superstar guys just not in the traditional sense with marketing and jersey sells.
 
[quote name='BigSpoonyBard']Can we all agree on a truce?[/QUOTE]
No worries. Melo will be fishing in a day or so that Soodmeg and his troll will shut up about "it's melo's fault." In other words, their trolling is the reason why I bit.

Oh and the games have been pitiful. I checked out when my team didn't show up.

[quote name='renique46']Lol @ 04 pistons having just 1 star when Rip sheed and Billups helped make that team a ECF regular for damn near 5 years outta here[/quote]
Come on... Rip is now what 3rd on the depth chart after being waived by Detroit. Billups was amnestied... really. Sheed was not asked back and shortly retired after. Ben Wallace couldn't play offense. Okur was listed as one of the worst contract busts in the history after he left them. Prince is ??? (yes I really have no clue what happened to him). And none of those guys will ever be considered/hit the HoF. So how can you say they are a bunch of superstars... Wow you guys use that term loosely :roll:

That team was a bunch of good players (not great) that played extremely well together on both sides of the ball; something today's game doesn't showcase as much.
 
I gotta agree with Casey about the Pistons...that team couldn't beat the Spurs in 2004-2005 season
 
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[quote name='lordopus99']No worries. Melo will be fishing in a day or so that Soodmeg and his troll will shut up about "it's melo's fault." In other words, their trolling is the reason why I bit.

Oh and the games have been pitiful. I checked out when my team didn't show up.


Come on... Rip is now what 3rd on the depth chart after being waived by Detroit. Billups was amnestied... really. Sheed was not asked back and shortly retired after. Ben Wallace couldn't play offense. Okur was listed as one of the worst contract busts in the history after he left them. Prince is ??? (yes I really have no clue what happened to him). And none of those guys will ever be considered/hit the HoF. So how can you say they are a bunch of superstars... Wow you guys use that term loosely :roll:

That team was a bunch of good players (not great) that played extremely well together on both sides of the ball; something today's game doesn't showcase as much.[/QUOTE]

Like how you bring up how they're doing now rather than how they played then which is the fucking time period i was refering to dumbass. Of course they're nowhere near that level anymore, talk about the most obvious duh

[quote name='kube00']I gotta agree with Casey about the Pistons...that team couldn't beat the Spurs in 2004[/QUOTE]

Too bad the Pistons didnt play the spurs in 04
Now in 05 you act like they got dominated when they took spurs to 7 with game 7 going either way.
 
[quote name='Demolition Man']Really Rondo? Really? :cry:[/QUOTE]

Horrible last possessions for the C's tonight. Paul Pierce wasn't himself.

Guess they left their stuff at home. Gotta get it Thursday now.
 
Holy hell finally the Bulls played some real defense! So glad for that win. Time to go into Philly and force game 7 back in Chicago! Just glad the Bulls showed some fight tonight.
 
Philly's management is gonna think this team is good the way they are if they somehow get past the bulls. Fans should expect 1st round fodder every year same with denver.
 
[quote name='j.t']Damn good try but a little too late. Pau gotta make that dunk man.[/QUOTE]

Kobe tried. He shouldn't have had to hit four straight threes to even get them close, though. The final score makes it look like a close game, when the Lakers got their butts kicked tonight.

So much for Bynum saying close-out games are easy. The next time his head is on straight, someone needs to bolt it in place.
 
I remember when i wanted Miller to actually do shit like this when he was in portland/philly now he just has a randomly fluke game playing likes he's cp3 yet couldn't none of this in philly. LOL @ kerr saying hes top 10 pg of all time
 
[quote name='renique46']I remember when i wanted Miller to actually do shit like this when he was in portland/philly now he just has a randomly fluke game playing likes he's cp3 yet couldn't none of this in philly. LOL @ kerr saying hes top 10 pg of all time[/QUOTE]

George Karl said that, not Kerr. Kerr suggested he could probably slide in around the 15 range. I will say that Miller has generally been an underrated PG in the league. He isn't flashy, but he's a smart, consistent floor general. Nobody really noticed he lead the league in assists his last year in Cleveland, and he's got career averages of 14 points and 7 assists, not to mention the fact that he's 10th all-time in assists.
 
I like Andre Miller, he of the set shot mastery, a lot. He's definitely underrated. Besides the fact that he has a great basketball mind, the guy plays...all...the...time. I don't think he's ever played less than 80 game in a season, except for this year, of course. I don't know if he's top 10 or top 15, but he's without a doubt a guy I'd want running the floor for my team any damn day of the week.
 
You know what I am always confused about.

What does...lets say The Suns have...that other teams dont? Nash is playing well beyond his prime, Shaq came and seem to all of a sudden be a young pup again, what makes it so that some teams have barely any trouble with injury where as others have a history of it?

Portland seems to just injury its players all the time...or maybe I am just reading into?
 
It's just dumb luck. Portland just had lousy luck with two young stars in Oden and Roy ending up injury plagued.

Though a place like Phoenix that's dry and warm could be better for an older player like Shaq since the lack of humidity and cold weather helps with joint pain etc. Shouldn't really matter for young players, and no impact on injuries like blown out knees etc. of course.
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']You know what I am always confused about.

What does...lets say The Suns have...that other teams dont? Nash is playing well beyond his prime, Shaq came and seem to all of a sudden be a young pup again, what makes it so that some teams have barely any trouble with injury where as others have a history of it?

Portland seems to just injury its players all the time...or maybe I am just reading into?[/QUOTE]

[quote name='dmaul1114']It's just dumb luck. Portland just had lousy luck with two young stars in Oden and Roy ending up injury plagued.

Though a place like Phoenix that's dry and warm could be better for an older player like Shaq since the lack of humidity and cold weather helps with joint pain etc. Shouldn't really matter for young players, and no impact on injuries like blown out knees etc. of course.[/QUOTE]

As far as Portland goes, I remember reading an article a while back about how poorly they've managed their injured players, particularly when it comes to listening to the advice of medical advisors. This isn't the one, but it covers some of the same points.

The Suns, meanwhile, have more than weather to help them. They've got a training staff that stays ahead of the curve.
 
[quote name='renique46']Like how you bring up how they're doing now rather than how they played then which is the fucking time period i was refering to dumbass. Of course they're nowhere near that level anymore, talk about the most obvious duh[/QUOTE]
Why?
Rasheed retired at 35. Duncan is the same age and still playing well.
Hamiliton is 33. Kobe is the same age and he is still doing Kobe.
If Kobe and Duncan can still play at/near their level, why can't those guys. Just saying.

[quote name='soodmeg']This guy thinks you are either a superstar or a d-leaguer.[/quote]
Actually I don't. Superstars lead/carry teams. Those Detroit guys didn't. They are good role players. Role player is someone who can still be a good player but can't carry a team at times on their back. And do realize there are different levels of being a superstar or role player.

The D-league reference was only against Lin because let's be for real the guy got cut twice never saw the floor and was about to be cut a third time. He flourished under a PG fast pace offense. Anyones guess what Lin will look like under Woodson (if he gets hired perm).

To Portland talk...
Oden was drafted with broken knees. They played with fire hoping that he would heal and he really never did. Did the team seem to experience alot of injury? Sure. But what team hasn't. This playoff we saw D Rose go down with a ACL tear/knee injury (this injury has cost guys their careers), Baron Davis career is done (NY also lost Shumpert and Lin to knee injuries as well), and countless other guys going down.
 
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Actually I don't. Superstars lead/carry teams. Those Detroit guys didn't. They are good role players. Role player is someone who can still be a good player but can't carry a team at times on their back. And do realize there are different levels of being a superstar or role player.
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Sigh goodness gracious no one said they were superstars but they still were/are stars. By your logic, Ginobli is nowhere near a star level just your average everyday role player.
 
No more 360 dunks from Carter. One superstar moment I can think of early 2000s, Tmac single handily took the Magic to the playoffs at least 2 years in a row.

I use to hate on the Celtics. But honestly when they won the championship in 2008 both KG/Pierce deserved it. They'd both been close a few times. Last year Dirk deserved that ring. Maybe its time for Lebron after 9 years to get his.

Kobe has 5 rings, Duncan has 4, what other superstars/big names have more than 2 rings that are still playing?
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']It's just dumb luck. Portland just had lousy luck with two young stars in Oden and Roy ending up injury plagued.[/quote]

You're thinking short term while you should be thinking long term. Over the course of their history, the Blazers have had a lot of horrible injuries. Bill Walton comes to mind.

Though a place like Phoenix that's dry and warm could be better for an older player like Shaq since the lack of humidity and cold weather helps with joint pain etc. Shouldn't really matter for young players, and no impact on injuries like blown out knees etc. of course.
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Or the fact that the Suns medical staff just better than others. :D I forgot where it was, maybe Grantland, that I read an article about how the Trailblazers medical staff wasn't as cautious with Oden's injuries as they could have been.

Edit: Or there is something in the water.
 
[quote name='bigdaddybruce44']It's the depression that sets in when you realize you're stuck in Portland, Oregon good portion of your year...[/QUOTE]
He mentions in the interview that he got drunk all of the time because he didn't really know what else to do with himself during the downtime because there was no veteran presence on the team to take him under their wing.

He also talked about getting serious about wanting to be fully 100% with the last two attempts at a comeback, but the team rushed him back to try to play again when the season was about to start. Now he's moving back to Columbus, taking the next year off to rehab, and going back to school at Ohio State to get closer to the degree he gave up on to go to the NBA. He'll try to sign on with a team next summer once his knee's at full strength.

Anybody that's interested in just learning more about him, just read the interview I linked earlier since it's very in-depth about his life since high school with some crazy stuff that he's kept to himself since then.
 
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