Paypal screwed me! UPDATE MARCH.11 2008, A NEW COLLECTION AGENCY IS CALLING!

[quote name='magiic']Got an e-mail from the BBB telling me paypal says Im SOL. So I'm just going to give up on this I think. Paypal isn't getting a dime out of me. Paypal still says my case is being reived though in my account resolution center.[/quote]
Well, since BBB has basically told you that Paypal is saying FU, call the guy's local police. He's basically stealing from you.
 
Man this sucks. Between crap like this and all the fishing scams I am going to start avoid ebay again.

My PSP has only been up 2 days and I've already got 2 emails from people trying to steal my email and account.
 
This sucks!! After all this time I want a happy ending!!!

Sorry for your loss. I've been ripped off by paypal before too.
 
Hmmm...just a thought, but would taking the guy to Small Claims Court be feasible or reasonable in this case? It could be a possible next step, especially for that amount of money.
 
[quote name='Kapwanil']Hmmm...just a thought, but would taking the guy to Small Claims Court be feasible or reasonable in this case? It could be a possible next step, especially for that amount of money.[/quote]

I don't know if he could do that. The other guy is in Flordia (i think), and the OP is in Canada.
 
Ya I'm in Victoria, on the west coast of Canada he is in Florida on the east coast of the states, we're about as far apart as we can be so taking him to court isn't really worth it. I have no idea how I'd go about contacting his local police or how I would even go about doing that if anyone has any tips Im open to them. The case is still under review by paypal so who knows maybe a miracle may come out of this. In hindsight I could of just kept the ps3 when it came and closed my paypal account and told him to go fuck himself but Im not that kind of person so I tried to stick to the book and follow the rules and it looks like it will bite me in the ass.
 
[quote name='magiic']Dear Genevieve/Whomever It May Concern,

I am e-mailing in response to the e-mail I received stating that a refund had been issued on my behalf in regards to case number PP-***-***-*** involving myself and a Mr. ******. This refund has been issued in error as the last e-mail I received before the one stating a refund had been issued stated that I was in violation of Paypal's user agreement by being in possession of both the item in question (ONE Playstation 3) and Mr.****'s money at the same time. However according the same e-mail Paypal acknowledged that the package had been refused as per the UPS tracking number (1Z W69 9W9 68 4338 184 3). The status of the package can be checked at http://www.ups.com to show that I do not in fact have the item in my possession. The reason I refused the package was that Mr.**** failed to follow Paypal's guidelines for mailing the package back to me. As per Paypal's guidelines he was required to mail the package back in it's original condition and he was to cover all costs in mailing it back. Unfortunately Mr.***** neglected to do this and when the item arrived at my place of residence the UPS Delivery Personnel informed me that there was $187.52CAD COD (Cash on Delivery). As such I refused the package because Mr.**** was required to return the package to me at ZERO expense to myself. He failed to do such and as a result I informed the UPS representative that I wished to "Return To Sender" the package. The tracking number for this package confirms that I refused the package and that it is not in my possession. Currently you have issued a refund to Mr.* on false pretences that I have the item hand, however Mr.***** is currently the one in violation of Paypal's User Agreement as he now has the money in hand and will soon have the item in hand as well. As stated in the last e-mail an individual cannot be in possession of both the item and the money therefore I respectfully request that the refund be reversed and my Paypal account be returned to a balance of $0.00 as it was before the refund was issued.

Thank You,
Respectfully,
Ryan Laker

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There is the e-mail I sent paypal[/QUOTE]

so your expecting the person to return the system to you and be out 200+ bucks. I know if i ever got a system and it didnt work there is no way in hell i would pay 200+ bucks to return it to the seller.

how much did you sell the system for cause im pretty sure even if they went though the post office insurance you would never get more then what the system cost

I was told if you sold PS3s last xmas the post office would not give you more then 600 if the system was lost or broken cause they would only cover the replacement cost

so if you sold the system for say 1500 bucks and even had 1500 bucks of insurnace on it the most the post office owuld paid was 600
 
[quote name='slidecage']so your expecting the person to return the system to you and be out 200+ bucks. I know if i ever got a system and it didnt work there is no way in hell i would pay 200+ bucks to return it to the seller.

how much did you sell the system for cause im pretty sure even if they went though the post office insurance you would never get more then what the system cost

I was told if you sold PS3s last xmas the post office would not give you more then 600 if the system was lost or broken cause they would only cover the replacement cost

so if you sold the system for say 1500 bucks and even had 1500 bucks of insurnace on it the most the post office owuld paid was 600[/quote]


all he had to do was mark it as a return and there would of been no duty at all. I also knew about the insurance and explained this too him in the paypal dispute. I insured the system for the value of the ps3 based on the receipt which was like $745CAD after tax for a 60GB. I'm pretty sure the only reason this guy wanted to get his money back was because he was an idiot, he even told me he bought this to re-sell, by the time it got to him PS3 prices had plummeted to around like $800-$900USD and he paid $1025USD for it. My bet his he was just trying to get his money back because he couldn't sell it and make a profit anymore.
 
So in the end Paypal had their way with you, didn't even buy you dinner first. Really sorry to hear it man. And screw it, the douchebag kept a 1000 bucks and the ps3, post his I.D
 
[quote name='coolsteel']So in the end Paypal had their way with you, didn't even buy you dinner first. Really sorry to hear it man. And screw it, the douchebag kept a 1000 bucks and the ps3, post his I.D[/quote]

Ya paypal raped me hardcore, although the case is still "under review" so there may be hope yet, however small. As long as this isn't against site rules his user ID is acosta2007 so go ahead and lock him out. I would love to travel down to florida and give this guy a piece of my mind but it isnt really doable :(
 
[quote name='magiic'] I would love to travel down to florida and give this guy a piece of my mind but it isnt really doable :([/quote]

Post what town he lives, maybe a CAG lives near him and stop by his house to talk him about it.
 
[quote name='tangytangerine']Post what town he lives, maybe a CAG lives near him and stop by his house to talk him about it.[/quote]

get someone to break into his house and take his ps3 and a few extra goodies and maybe a cat
 
haha wow I thought that was long gone. I love how I effed up the title and said it was a 30GB ( I made my ps3 listings after going about 35+ hours without sleep because I camped for the ps3 from 12pm on the 16th till 7am on the 17th when walmart opened and then I went to school for the day after that and when I got home I made the listings. I was so zonked.
 
[quote name='RAMSTORIA']get someone to break into his house and take his ps3 and a few extra goodies and maybe a cat[/quote]
Yeah, make the cat roadkill. I HATE cats. They always crap on my car. Worse than the brids.

My library has phone books from all over the US, just give me his name and his area/zip code and i'll send the cops to his house.
 
[quote name='magiic']all he had to do was mark it as a return and there would of been no duty at all. I also knew about the insurance and explained this too him in the paypal dispute. I insured the system for the value of the ps3 based on the receipt which was like $745CAD after tax for a 60GB. I'm pretty sure the only reason this guy wanted to get his money back was because he was an idiot, he even told me he bought this to re-sell, by the time it got to him PS3 prices had plummeted to around like $800-$900USD and he paid $1025USD for it. My bet his he was just trying to get his money back because he couldn't sell it and make a profit anymore.[/QUOTE]

even after he opened the package (or was the package still sealed)

i hope you get your cash back.

Last year someone sold me a fake 1 year ebay code and i was very lucky to get my cash back (dude on paypal phone said he couldnt belive that they give my cash back) i think i had buyer protection or something like that so why wouldnt you have seller protection ??

if your bank account is link to your account i would go to my bank and tell them about the problem and say if PAYPAL tries to remove any money put a block on them
 
[quote name='slidecage']even after he opened the package (or was the package still sealed)

[/quote]

not sure what you mean? explain hopefully I can answer.
 
[quote name='machoman_93']I would send him free subscriptions to stupid magazines, like PETA or KRAFT.[/quote]

That's a pretty good idea...
 
Well it's over now. Paypal has decided once and for all I lose. Game over. They sent me an e-mail saying Im fucked in a few paragraphs. What irks me though is they completely ignored the stuff I faxed into them. Didnt even mention the failure of the buyer to pay all shipping and handling fees along with marking it as a return. So whatever, the guy got a free PS3 that pisses me off but I didnt lose any money and they won't get a dime out of me. So if they want their money back they can get it from the buyer. Also to anyone wishing to block him his ebay ID is.... acosta2007
 
Wow... just wow. Time to change e-mail addresses, I guess? ;-)

Honestly, in sending to you the guy made a silly mistake that most people don't "get" when insuring or valuing things sent TO CANADA. The fact that you explained it to him put the fault on him, not you.

The fear from Paypal is obviously that BUYERS are there getting "screwed" by the evil sellers so they must protect buyers. It's the same idea that has tons of various things in place to protect buyers (CAGs always mention going to the BBB when things don't go their way, totally missing that to be FAIR things in some situations SHOULDN'T be going their way)... sellers, well--- enjoy the "loss". There's a reason accounting includes cost of stolen/damaged/returned merchandise. ;-)
 
I'm pretty choked. I'm closing my bank account today at lunch.
I also e-mailed them telling them they may aswell close my account because they won't get a dime from me. Doubt they will though. I'll probably start another paypal account but it will be strictly for buying or stuff or selling on CAG. I don't think I will be selling on ebay anymore. Just not worth the risk.
 
[quote name='magiic']I'm pretty choked. I'm closing my bank account today at lunch.
I also e-mailed them telling them they may aswell close my account because they won't get a dime from me. Doubt they will though. I'll probably start another paypal account but it will be strictly for buying or stuff or selling on CAG. I don't think I will be selling on ebay anymore. Just not worth the risk.[/QUOTE]

I spent time, money, and effort to put up an item for something I'd consider a collector's item years ago. I even had an artist friend of mine do some work to go along with it since I thought it'd be "cool" to throw in. The auction closed at a pretty high dollar figure. I never got paid.

Despite the NPB complaints, eBay refunded none of my fees. There's a reason I don't sell on eBay.

CAG is one of the few communities I've run into where the people genuinely don't seem like they're intent on ripping you off when you *COMMIT* to a deal (obviously, everyone wants the best deal for them otherwise).

I traded tons of other stuff in the past and even bending over backwards to make some people happy, you'd be surprised at the amount of crazy, bitter 12 year olds there are in the world. You say no to someone who regularly trades with you after 2 years and then you're a theif, a liar, and a hack and you peddle garbage.

People are human. Mistakes happen, There's a rational way to make everyone "win" in most unfortunate situations, but I'm continually amazed at how most people miss that.
 
From the few trades I've made I really like CAG. I have zero problems thus far every trade and sale I've made both sides have come through on there side of the bargain with no hiccups. But I've had so many crappy buyers on ebay. Probably 10 NPB, then you just get the people who ask you stupid questions like the day they buy it "has it shipped it isnt here yet". I definately think I'm done with ebay.
 
Sorry to hear that.

So are you going to contact him to get your PS3? What about the police about your stolen property? If I was out $1K, and a PS3, there would be no way I'd let him get away with it.
 
I havent really lost any money unless paypal tries to take it from me. I got my money out of paypal in time. My paypal account has a balance of -$1025.00 though. As far as contacting the buyer what is he going to do? He will just laugh at me. He has his money and the ps3 which has already probably sold because that was his initial plan anyways. As far as persuing criminal charges I have no idea how I do that from the otherside of the continent in a different country.
 
Yea, but with Paypal stating that you have a -1000 account wouldn't that hurt your credit score, and wouldn't that 1000 become more and more money the longer you don't pay them?
I still would try and pursue the guy legally to get my PS3 back.
 
Not to further ruin your day, but watch out for collections notices. Although most people don't believe it, Paypal DOES go after delinquent accounts with high negative amounts, although it isn't as frequent as they'd like you to believe.

Here's to hoping you don't get any shit from them, and that the buyer's PS3 is one of the thousands that fry after a few uses. From what I've seen from you Magiic, this couldn't have happened to a better person.

Oh and fuck Ebay; if not for my job in LE, I would have probably gone to jail for what I did to a douchebag scammer that sent my wife a picture of a cell phone and got away with it. (well, ALMOST got away with it, but that's an entirely different thread for another day).

Good luck Magiic, and Godspeed.

-V
 
Damn man, I would kill that mofo for taking my PS3 MK style. FINISH HIM !!!! don't take my advice seriously lol but that what I will do or want to if something like that happen to me.
 
Apparently the collection process for paypal in Canada is pretty weak. So I'm safe there, also paypal can't put anything against your credit score as they dont have your SIN# nor are they a recognized lending organization or somehting like that. I read stuff at paypalsucks.com that basically said my Credit Score is safe. Does anyone know anything about how I could go after this guy legally, like filing a criminal complaint or something.
 
[quote name='magiic']Apparently the collection process for paypal in Canada is pretty weak. So I'm safe there, also paypal can't put anything against your credit score as they dont have your SIN# nor are they a recognized lending organization or somehting like that. I read stuff at paypalsucks.com that basically said my Credit Score is safe. Does anyone know anything about how I could go after this guy legally, like filing a criminal complaint or something.[/quote]

Call his local police and leave an anymonous tip that he raped 5 little boys and fed them crack. At least give him 1 bad day.
 
Somehow I think that could have bad ramifications for me.

On another note tommorow I'm going to go open a new bank account at HSBC and start a new paypal account with a new e-mail address and new bank account and I will no longer be selling on ebay. I will deal strictly on CAG, Goozex and GameTraderWorld.
 
I don't think thats a good idea. If you put the same address, use your work address if possible. They'll probably notice that its the same address if you use the same one as before. Although its good you're not using EBay anymore. Oh and if they start sending you collection notices, go to the post office and tell them to send all mail from that address back.
 
I'm not sure using the same address will be a big deal there is already another account under this address as it is. My dads account is under the same address as mine. I don't have any other address to use though.
 
Hey Magic,

I'm in a similar situation. I'm negative 1499 in my account from a ps3 sale. Just called paypal twice today.

Buyers tried to return after winning 2 ps3's and opening my package. I refused to accept and they started a claim with paypal.

I eventually won the dispute but 3 weeks later, they filed a chargeback with CC company and account went negative. 3 days later a collection agency is calling daily.

Paypal is pathetic, I am filing a cease and desist letter to the collection agency and am contemplating suit against Paypal.

Goodluck,
RK
 
Wow thats shitty. I've had a negative balance for over 3 months I think. Still nothing from collections. Let me know how things end up for you.
 
[quote name='rk69rn']Hey Magic,

I'm in a similar situation. I'm negative 1499 in my account from a ps3 sale. Just called paypal twice today.

Buyers tried to return after winning 2 ps3's and opening my package. I refused to accept and they started a claim with paypal.

I eventually won the dispute but 3 weeks later, they filed a chargeback with CC company and account went negative. 3 days later a collection agency is calling daily.

Paypal is pathetic, I am filing a cease and desist letter to the collection agency and am contemplating suit against Paypal.

Goodluck,
RK[/QUOTE]

Was there some reason you weren't covered by PayPal seller protection? Unlike in Magiic's case, if you WON the dispute you should have been covered assuming DC showed delivery (and it seems the buyers didn't dispute delivery anyway). My point is PayPal is supposed to cover you in the case of chargebacks IF it was sent to a confirmed address with signature confirmation and all that.

I had a much smaller item that was allegedly bought with a stolen account or something. I never did hear the details but as soon as I forwarded DC information (which, of course, they already had as I used PayPal shipping :roll:) they reversed the reversal and I never heard about it again. Key point was that the address I sent to was "confirmed" at the time I sent it (it went unconfirmed shortly afterwards which worried me a bit).

PayPal does, indeed, suck, but there's no way around it if you want to sell on eBay. But I fully understand you wanting to get out of that mess as well Magiic (though they are really one and the same, eBay is a whole 'nother mess).
 
i don't know how it works in Canada, but the biggest single worry that would plague me is collection agencies. If paypal sends your account off to collections, maybe living in another country will do you good. However, man...I've just had horrible experiences with collections even though i had absolute no debt at all (some fag with the same name as me went into debt exactly 1000 dollars and they thought it was me)

mother fuckers called me forever and i kept telling them it was someone else but of course, they thought i was lying. Then i used tips i got from consumerist.com about collectors, and never heard back from them ever again.
 
Well I'll look into consumerist but according to paypalsucks.com the collections agency paypal uses in Canada is a joke. Also in regards to paypalsucks.com I actually posted my story there back when it started so updated it today.

My Post On Paypalsucks
 
[quote name='magiic']Well it's over now. Paypal has decided once and for all I lose. Game over. They sent me an e-mail saying Im fucked in a few paragraphs. What irks me though is they completely ignored the stuff I faxed into them. Didnt even mention the failure of the buyer to pay all shipping and handling fees along with marking it as a return. So whatever, the guy got a free PS3 that pisses me off but I didnt lose any money and they won't get a dime out of me. So if they want their money back they can get it from the buyer. Also to anyone wishing to block him his ebay ID is.... acosta2007[/QUOTE]


Dont be shocked if they sue you or put a block on your wages. Im sure there is one way or another Paypal will get that cash. They probally have your SS number though your bank account so they can find you even if you close out this account and open another.
 
[quote name='magiic']I havent really lost any money unless paypal tries to take it from me. I got my money out of paypal in time. My paypal account has a balance of -$1025.00 though. As far as contacting the buyer what is he going to do? He will just laugh at me. He has his money and the ps3 which has already probably sold because that was his initial plan anyways. As far as persuing criminal charges I have no idea how I do that from the otherside of the continent in a different country.[/quote]

Magiic,

If he sells it on eBay, you can buy it and then start a dispute with PayPal after you get it. Karma baby, karma.
 
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