PlayStation 4 - General Discussion Thread

[quote name='Thomas96']The question is as gamers... What do we want on PS4 day one? What would get you excited at this point? I've asked myself these questions and I can't really answer it.[/QUOTE]


same as with games now it never feels worth it to jump in day 1 anymore. im sure this gen of consoles coming will have issues too so its better to wait 6 months to a year for them to iron out the kinks and maybe do a price drop.

im not excited for the next gen as i am slightly curious.
 
[quote name='Komentra']I been wondering with GTA V having a expected launch in September if they're going to be releasing it on PS4 as well. They haven't officially announced that they are but I'm really hoping they do.

It's kind of odd that one of the potentially biggest releases of this generation could be coming out at the end of the generation.

Anyways as long as the system isn't over $500 then I will be getting day one. I got plenty of time to save up.[/QUOTE]

It would be silly for rockstar to only make it a PS4 game unless a exclusive deal was made years ago. Why release a game on a new console when you can release a game on 2 consoles that have almost 150million systems sold to date. It makes more sense for every game company to hold off until new consoles have actually been sold for a while until they release their games...They know they wont make much money from launch window titles due to low sales volume. But I see no reason why they could not Port some AAA PS3 games over to the PS4 to help with having very little games to choose from and to not lose sales from the people who stopped buying PS3 games when the PS4 is released.
 
[quote name='Komentra']I been wondering with GTA V having a expected launch in September if they're going to be releasing it on PS4 as well. They haven't officially announced that they are but I'm really hoping they do.

It's kind of odd that one of the potentially biggest releases of this generation could be coming out at the end of the generation.

Anyways as long as the system isn't over $500 then I will be getting day one. I got plenty of time to save up.[/QUOTE]

last of us is coming out in july that game is a BIG game coming out at end of lifespan. Unlike when ps3/360 came out i think both ps3 and 360 will be supported for awhile. there are many games that are even coming out in fall for those systems not announced for next gen systems yet seeing they have been in dev for so long.
 
[quote name='TimboSliceGB']last of us is coming out in july that game is a BIG game coming out at end of lifespan. Unlike when ps3/360 came out i think both ps3 and 360 will be supported for awhile. there are many games that are even coming out in fall for those systems not announced for next gen systems yet seeing they have been in dev for so long.[/QUOTE]

I think there will definitely be some third party support for the ps3 and 360 after the release of the next gen consoles. You have 140ish million people with these things and you are not going to get that install base back in 6 months. I could not imagine a COD not releasing on the 360 or ps3 this year or next year. Hell maybe even 2015 there will be a port of it. I say the 360 and ps3 gets decent games through 2014. Even if they are water downed ports of the next gen I cannot imagine developers and publishers making games for 10-20 million gamers when there are 100+ million still using the old systems.
 
[quote name='cancerman1120']I don't have one person who is linked to my RAPTR profile. I use it to track play times and achievements. Things I care about for MYSELF. I do not subject my friends to it on facebook because they could give a rats ass. So just go DERP yourself in the butt.[/QUOTE]

That's like using Facebook as a daily journal and setting each post to Only Me. You're still actively partaking in a social networking service.

Oh, and the fact that you're discussing this on an internet forum.

herpderp
 
[quote name='MetalSlugger']That's like using Facebook as a daily journal and setting each post to Only Me. You're still actively partaking in a social networking service.

Oh, and the fact that you're discussing this on an internet forum.

herpderp[/QUOTE]

I am not sure what point you are trying to make. Is it the intention of the service that makes it social or how I use it? If I am using it for only myself then how is it social? You seem to want to "catch" me by saying using a social service for non-social reasons means I must like social networking services. I like the fact they log my play time. If that is all Raptr did I would still be happy.

The fact you equate a forum about video games and an integrated social feature on a gaming system as equal shows your lack of critical thinking. So I guess CAG should start having games like Farmville and Cityville since gaming and social networking belong together right?

If you cannot get it through your thick skull that I prefer my game system provide the games and my social networks do whatever the hell they are supposed to do then I cannot help you. You think using a social network for games means I am hypocritical for not wanting a dedicated button on my controller to spew it out to the world? How about we start letting our credit cards have this feature? Why not right. Every time you swipe it posts what you bought and how much you spent (and if this exists then shoot me now). How about TVs that send out Facebook posts every time you set the DVR? Integrating social features into everything does not make it better and it is not what I want from my gaming experience.
 
[quote name='cancerman1120']I am not sure what point you are trying to make. Is it the intention of the service that makes it social or how I use it? If I am using it for only myself then how is it social? You seem to want to "catch" me by saying using a social service for non-social reasons means I must like social networking services. I like the fact they log my play time. If that is all Raptr did I would still be happy.

The fact you equate a forum about video games and an integrated social feature on a gaming system as equal shows your lack of critical thinking. So I guess CAG should start having games like Farmville and Cityville since gaming and social networking belong together right?

If you cannot get it through your thick skull that I prefer my game system provide the games and my social networks do whatever the hell they are supposed to do then I cannot help you. You think using a social network for games means I am hypocritical for not wanting a dedicated button on my controller to spew it out to the world? How about we start letting our credit cards have this feature? Why not right. Every time you swipe it posts what you bought and how much you spent (and if this exists then shoot me now). How about TVs that send out Facebook posts every time you set the DVR? Integrating social features into everything does not make it better and it is not what I want from my gaming experience.[/QUOTE]

The point I'm making is that you use gaming social networking services every single goddamned day, so yes, bitching about it makes you "hypocritical". Even if you don't have any real Raptr friends (which I also don't have), your playtime/Achievements get combined with everyone else's so the site can rank everyone against each other. You're feeding the system in the exact way it was designed to be fed. I'm not saying that you shouldn't use it if you get something out of it but seriously, bitching about having the option to do the exact same thing you are currently doing willingly is "hypocritical" and silly. If you want to track your playtime without a social service, buy a fucking clock. Jesus christ.

If you don't think that being able to record ANY segment of gameplay from ANY game and immediately upload it from the console itself is an awesome feature then I don't know what to tell you. Plus this may mean that PSN will FINALLY get crosschat and private parties so I don't have to listen to mouthbreathers and shitty rap music every time I want to play online.

I'm more concerned with developers forcing me to use the front/rear touchpads unnecessarily like they did with Sixaxis on early :ps3: games. That will be far more intrusive than having to go to the system settings menu and switching some sharing features to "off".
 
Even though I doubt I'll ever share a single video with my friends or whatever, the entire share button thing will be a welcome addition to me. If it really does automatically record everything that happened, it should make reporting people being jerks/racist/whatever so much easier. I'd also love to be able to save a clip of any match where a person sends me a rage message after getting crushed (I collect them like trophies).

Having streaming built into the hardware would be a great boon to any game with a competitive community. Seems like a common request there.
 
[quote name='MetalSlugger']

If you don't think that being able to record ANY segment of gameplay from ANY game and immediately upload it from the console itself is an awesome feature then I don't know what to tell you. [/QUOTE]

While I don't get why cancerman and others bitch so much about the option being there since it's easy to just ignore it, I definitely have no interest in it.

Gaming is at the bottom of my hobby list, so it's not something I have interest in capturing things to save for myself much less to share with others. Only a couple of my real life friends play games at all, and one of those is a PC only gamer currently (and I don't do PC games).

I like social media, I'm on FaceBook a lot and have a Twitter account I check regularly as I follow reporters etc.--though I've never tweeted anything myself. But it's not something I care about linking my gaming to--or really any hobbies. I guess other than running as I tend to post my race results on FaceBook.

But I'd be a hypocrite if I did share that type of stuff as I hide people that share all kinds of random shit in their FaceBook status from showing in my news feed and block people who spam game requests and post too much annoying stuff I don't care about. I have the account to keep up with friends and family, but that doesn't mean crap like game updates--I want to see photos, hear about life developments etc. Thus I try not to post much random shit 99% of people on my friend's list aren't going to care about.
 
[quote name='Thomas96']The question is as gamers... What do we want on PS4 day one? What would get you excited at this point? I've asked myself these questions and I can't really answer it.[/QUOTE]
For me, the perceived "jump" in technology from PS3 to PS4 is nowhere near as large as it was from PS2 to PS3. The PS3 had a blu ray drive, network capabilities (ok, better network capabilities ;)), built-in wireless controllers, built-in data storage, etc. These things were new and exciting to console gamers like myself. With the PS4 it seems more like they've just made improvements to what was already there. On top of that, when you compared games running on both systems, the PS3 just blew you away compared to the PS2. Now there's still clearly a difference between the two, but better/smoother running hi-def games are still hi-def games.

Not that I'm trying to say anything bad about the PS4 at all (I'll get one when the system drops in price or when they release Fallout 4, whichever comes first). The specs we've seen seem good, everything they've shown looks good, and I can see liking the new features once I get some time with them (I thought achievements were dumb, until I noticed that they gave me some added replay value/goals for games that I really liked). It just doesn't have that same "feel" as the PS3 did at this early point. It probably doesn't help that I still have a bunch of great PS3 games that will easily fill the time between now and the time that I get one either.
 
It will have the next generation of games. If you want to play them, you'll need a new system (PS4, new Xbox, good PC, whatever). That's the bottom line, regardless of features.

Other than exclusives you might want, which the Playstation and PC's tend to have more of, I guess the other features could sway your choice, but it seems like most people are already biased toward one of the big 3. (Obviously, if you want Mario/Zelda, you need a Nintendo).
 
Yeah, that is the crappy thing this go around. There's little incentive to upgrade other than the need to in order to play the next generation of games. That's hard to get excited about for those of us that still have plenty of this gen stuff to play.

Before the graphics jumps, additional features etc. where things to get excited about and want to upgrade sooner. That and consoles being BC made it easier to take the plunge as you could sell/trade your old console to offset the cost a tad and still catch up on your back log on the new machine.

It will be very interesting to see how sales of the PS4 and the next Xbox stack up with the past couple of generation launches. Will they sell more like the PS2/3/Xbox/360 or more like the Wii U? Time will tell I guess.
 
[quote name='Salamando3000']Even though I doubt I'll ever share a single video with my friends or whatever, the entire share button thing will be a welcome addition to me. If it really does automatically record everything that happened, it should make reporting people being jerks/racist/whatever so much easier. I'd also love to be able to save a clip of any match where a person sends me a rage message after getting crushed (I collect them like trophies).

Having streaming built into the hardware would be a great boon to any game with a competitive community. Seems like a common request there.[/QUOTE]

you really report people for being jerks/racies/ and other things? dude it's internet gaming not real life get over it.
 
[quote name='Backlash']It will have the next generation of games. If you want to play them, you'll need a new system (PS4, new Xbox, good PC, whatever). That's the bottom line, regardless of features.

Other than exclusives you might want, which the Playstation and PC's tend to have more of, I guess the other features could sway your choice, but it seems like most people are already biased toward one of the big 3. (Obviously, if you want Mario/Zelda, you need a Nintendo).[/QUOTE]

every system pc,wiiu,ps4,next xbox will have great exlusivies which means for me it's a must buy to have all 4.
 
That's the problem sony and microsoft will have this new gen. like people already said this jump is like a minor jump unlike last gen jump. Another thing is that this time around 3rd party companys will still have games coming out on ps3 and 360 heck destiny is even coming out on ps3 and 360 in 2014.
 
[quote name='TimboSliceGB']you really report people for being jerks/racies/ and other things? dude it's internet gaming not real life get over it.[/QUOTE]

Not routinely, no, but if I see or hear someone being incredibly offensive, I'm not above reporting it. Just because it's the internet/gaming doesn't mean we can't have a little decorum.
 
i only report people if they cheat in the game some how. I know since i started online gaming in early 00's one time or another im sure i was offense to someone im sure everyone has so i never report for that childes stuff
 
[quote name='TimboSliceGB']you really report people for being jerks/racies/ and other things? dude it's internet gaming not real life get over it.[/QUOTE]

Being on the "internet" makes it ok to be racist?
 
I would say it's too early to tell. The specs of them system suggest that new games will be amazing but it will take some time before the developers can make the system really shine. I hope that this next gen being so PC like; the developers can make really powerful games sooner rather than later. The learning curves on the PS3 and Xbox 360 were pretty steep for the developers.
 
I am wondering if at this point the the pulse elite is a good headset. I would assume it will work on PS4 as long as there is USB availability ( its a Sony Product why wouldn't it work?) just wondering if it is worth it I have the original 99$ pair but want to make the upgrade because you cand use the other plug for Vita and the headphones as just regilar headphones.
 
[quote name='orntar']Being on the "internet" makes it ok to be racist?[/QUOTE]

i never said that but honestly i just let it go im not going to act like a 8 year old and report a person for it i just put person on mute.
 
[quote name='Indiana']I would say it's too early to tell. The specs of them system suggest that new games will be amazing but it will take some time before the developers can make the system really shine. I hope that this next gen being so PC like; the developers can make really powerful games sooner rather than later. The learning curves on the PS3 and Xbox 360 were pretty steep for the developers.[/QUOTE]

the companys that make recent pc games should do well with making games for ps4 and next xbox seeing they are very pc like in programing.
 
Hands down the one biggest move forward will be sleep mode. If it works the same as it does on the Vita that will be a true real world feature that I will use the crap out of and love.
 
Sleep mode isn't of huge use to me since I generally only fire up a console when I know I have a few hours to game. I also don't have (nor will ever since I just got a vasectomy!) kids, or a job where I'm on call etc. so unexpected interruptions are pretty rare.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']I also don't have (nor will ever since I just got a vasectomy!) kids, or a job where I'm on call etc. so unexpected interruptions are pretty rare.[/QUOTE]
Sounds awesome. :drool: I have both kids and an on-call job. :lol:
 
[quote name='TimboSliceGB']i never said that but honestly i just let it go im not going to act like a 8 year old and report a person for it i just put person on mute.[/QUOTE]

Yes, let's just ignore the problem, because that works.

I would report more people but it's such a pain in the ass do to it, especially in the middle of a match.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Sleep mode isn't of huge use to me since I generally only fire up a console when I know I have a few hours to game. I also don't have (nor will ever since I just got a vasectomy!) kids, or a job where I'm on call etc. so unexpected interruptions are pretty rare.[/QUOTE]

Somehow I missed news of this feature. I do have kids, and I can only really play my console when I know have a bug block of time due to start up time, need to suddenly stop, etc.

Conversely, I can play my DS almost anytime since I can just shut it and pick it right back up. I will love the shit out of this feature if it works the way the DS does (and apparently the Vita does?).
 
[quote name='Backlash']Somehow I missed news of this feature. I do have kids, and I can only really play my console when I know have a bug block of time due to start up time, need to suddenly stop, etc.

Conversely, I can play my DS almost anytime since I can just shut it and pick it right back up. I will love the shit out of this feature if it works the way the DS does (and apparently the Vita does?).[/QUOTE]

The vita form of this feature is a delight - I never close games or turn off the console. I just freeze it and pick it up exactly where I was the next day within a second or so (like the ds). for a host of reasons I'm sure it doesn't like it if you're online and hibernate it (e.g. fighting game lobby) and you get kicked back to the game's main menu - I wouldn't complain if they added a hook to make that less painful, but I think it only sucks because of some long load times.
 
[quote name='Ryuukishi']Sounds awesome. :drool: I have both kids and an on-call job. :lol:[/QUOTE]

It is. I do work a lot of hours, but I mostly have control of when I work them so I can build in evenings here and there for hobbies, social outings etc. And I've never remotely wanted kids so that helps a ton with free time and cash as well of course.
 
[quote name='Backlash']Somehow I missed news of this feature. I do have kids, and I can only really play my console when I know have a bug block of time due to start up time, need to suddenly stop, etc.

Conversely, I can play my DS almost anytime since I can just shut it and pick it right back up. I will love the shit out of this feature if it works the way the DS does (and apparently the Vita does?).[/QUOTE]

Yeah, Vita lets you have the game paused while you do other stuff on the vita like message, look at friends list/playstation store, etc...) and PSP also had sleep mode and the Go had the pause feature which was cool.


I don't think I've turned off my Vita since I got it aside from when the battery died a couple of times. Same with the 3DS.
 
[quote name='MetalSlugger']Yes, let's just ignore the problem, because that works.

I would report more people but it's such a pain in the ass do to it, especially in the middle of a match.[/QUOTE]

this country has raciest problems for over 200 years it's never going to stop. reporting people on live does nothing all they get is like two days off of live no big deal. Trust me i used to report people before till i found out it pretty much does nothing unless you report them for cheating
 
nice way to rack up energy bill with having your system on 24/7 365 days a year. Plus the high end stuff in the system having it on 24/7 and just on sleep mode is asking for over heating issues.
 
Reading all the comments about the new features I'm beginning to realize I'm not the only one scared and apprehensive about the next gen. This console cycle has been one of the longest in history yet it seems to me people don't care and are plenty happy with the quantity and quality of the games they currently have.

Sony really needs to bring it with the launch lineup. No GTA V is a killer Imo. There are still millions around the globe who don't have or cant afford current gen tech and this holiday season I think we can expect the PS3 and 360 to sell well mainly because if GTAV and another COD. So where is the room for the new consoles under the tree...and who wants weak launch titles when games like Bioshock Infinite, GTA, and The Last of Us will be available for cheap?

If u ask me Sony and Microsoft have a problem launching this holiday without GTA V on their new console. They gotta bring a new Halo and The Last Guardian respectively in order to just compete. Maybe I'm underestimating the eagerness of early adopters, but I don't think so.
 
[quote name='TimboSliceGB']nice way to rack up energy bill with having your system on 24/7 365 days a year. Plus the high end stuff in the system having it on 24/7 and just on sleep mode is asking for over heating issues.[/QUOTE]

Actually going into standby or sleep mode doesn't use that much power. The only thing the console will keep sending power to is the RAM...the processor and graphics card - the units doing the actual computing and most of the heat generation - won't be on at all.

Better than just saving and turning the unit off? No. Handy when you need to stop everything suddenly or just want to stop playing without wanting to bother looking for the next savepoint? Definitely.
 
[quote name='abear21']reading all the comments about the new features i'm beginning to realize i'm not the only one scared and apprehensive about the next gen. This console cycle has been one of the longest in history yet it seems to me people don't care and are plenty happy with the quantity and quality of the games they currently have.

Sony really needs to bring it with the launch lineup. No gta v is a killer imo. There are still millions around the globe who don't have or cant afford current gen tech and this holiday season i think we can expect the ps3 and 360 to sell well mainly because if gtav and another cod. So where is the room for the new consoles under the tree...and who wants weak launch titles when games like bioshock infinite, gta, and the last of us will be available for cheap?

If u ask me sony and microsoft have a problem launching this holiday without gta v on their new console. They gotta bring a new halo and the last guardian respectively in order to just compete. Maybe i'm underestimating the eagerness of early adopters, but i don't think so.[/quote]

+1
 
[quote name='TimboSliceGB']nice way to rack up energy bill with having your system on 24/7 365 days a year. Plus the high end stuff in the system having it on 24/7 and just on sleep mode is asking for over heating issues.[/QUOTE]

Most systems when you put them to sleep do not use a ton of energy. Usually it's just enough to keep the ram active. I would not expect the system to be warm during sleep mode. If it is warm Sony is doing something wrong! :)
 
I still dont see why people dont think the PS4 and Next Xbox will have a big jump in graphics. HD is already here, yes, but if games can look anywhere near as good as that Killzone and Capcom dragon game footage I will be hooked faster than I wanted to be.

EDIT: I also just realized I dont play PC games. So if some of you play PC games I guess your used to these graphics already. So I guess it depends on your perspectvie with that.
 
[quote name='wrencrest']I still dont see why people dont think the PS4 and Next Xbox will have a big jump in graphics. HD is already here, yes, but if games can look anywhere near as good as that Killzone and Capcom dragon game footage I will be hooked faster than I wanted to be.

EDIT: I also just realized I dont play PC games. So if some of you play PC games I guess your used to these graphics already. So I guess it depends on your perspectvie with that.[/QUOTE]

I always find it funny about how people say graphics cant get any better, but the first thing they bring up when pc gaming is how much better the games look on there compared to consoles. Everything else seems to take a backseat to the graphics.
 
It's just incremental is all. It's not the case of the PS1/N64 era where things where jaggy as hell, or even last gen when there were still issues with jaggies, pop up, slow down etc.

Things this gen generally look very smooth, slow down etc. creep up a lot less often than last gen--but still some room for improvement there.

Things will look better this gen, but it's really just incremental stuff like a bit better textures, everything in 1080p, even less slowdown etc. Stuff that's nice but not really worth shelling out launch console prices for unless your a huge graphic's whore/videophile type as it's otherwise the same old games with a slightly shinier coat of paint with a $400-500 likely entry price for the consoles the first year or so.
 
[quote name='Abear21']Reading all the comments about the new features I'm beginning to realize I'm not the only one scared and apprehensive about the next gen. This console cycle has been one of the longest in history yet it seems to me people don't care and are plenty happy with the quantity and quality of the games they currently have.

Sony really needs to bring it with the launch lineup. No GTA V is a killer Imo. There are still millions around the globe who don't have or cant afford current gen tech and this holiday season I think we can expect the PS3 and 360 to sell well mainly because if GTAV and another COD. So where is the room for the new consoles under the tree...and who wants weak launch titles when games like Bioshock Infinite, GTA, and The Last of Us will be available for cheap?

If u ask me Sony and Microsoft have a problem launching this holiday without GTA V on their new console. They gotta bring a new Halo and The Last Guardian respectively in order to just compete. Maybe I'm underestimating the eagerness of early adopters, but I don't think so.[/QUOTE]

It's still early. Once 2014 arrives and you see very few new games for Xbox 360 or PS3 and all the new awesome games are on PS4 and Xbox next you will see everyone drooling over the new consoles.
 
[quote name='wrencrest']I still dont see why people dont think the PS4 and Next Xbox will have a big jump in graphics. HD is already here, yes, but if games can look anywhere near as good as that Killzone and Capcom dragon game footage I will be hooked faster than I wanted to be.

EDIT: I also just realized I dont play PC games. So if some of you play PC games I guess your used to these graphics already. So I guess it depends on your perspectvie with that.[/QUOTE]

graphics don't make a game. A game might have the best graphics in the world but if game sucks who will play it? Back in the 90's and 80's games did not have great graphics but some games from that time are still the best games ever made up to now.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']It's just incremental is all. It's not the case of the PS1/N64 era where things where jaggy as hell, or even last gen when there were still issues with jaggies, pop up, slow down etc.

Things this gen generally look very smooth, slow down etc. creep up a lot less often than last gen--but still some room for improvement there.

Things will look better this gen, but it's really just incremental stuff like a bit better textures, everything in 1080p, even less slowdown etc. Stuff that's nice but not really worth shelling out launch console prices for unless your a huge graphic's whore/videophile type as it's otherwise the same old games with a slightly shinier coat of paint with a $400-500 likely entry price for the consoles the first year or so.[/QUOTE]

most console games are not made in 1080 p they are upconverted to 1080. We shell see if that is the case on ps4 and next xbox.
 
[quote name='Indiana']It's still early. Once 2014 arrives and you see very few new games for Xbox 360 or PS3 and all the new awesome games are on PS4 and Xbox next you will see everyone drooling over the new consoles.[/QUOTE]

i think we will see alot of support for 360 and ps3 longer then we did for xbox and ps2 at start of this gen. Heck destny is coming out for those systems sometime in 2014 and cod games will and most bigger games that come out every year will.
 
Both of our TVs are 720p, so we are going to see even less difference, at least until one of these things gives up the ghost and I get to replace it. :)
 
[quote name='TimboSliceGB']i think we will see alot of support for 360 and ps3 longer then we did for xbox and ps2 at start of this gen. Heck destny is coming out for those systems sometime in 2014 and cod games will and most bigger games that come out every year will.[/QUOTE]

Oh god I hope not. Games need to get past 2005 graphics, seriously.
 
[quote name='JasonTerminator']Oh god I hope not. Games need to get past 2005 graphics, seriously.[/QUOTE]

The graphics for 360 and PS3 games have gotten far better as time went on and developers learned how to use the system's designs more efficiently. No game in 2005 had graphics as good as Halo 4.
 
[quote name='JasonTerminator']Oh god I hope not. Games need to get past 2005 graphics, seriously.[/QUOTE]

graphics don't make games. like i said before a game might be best looking game ever and gameplay could suck. You must not have been a gamer in the 80's and 90's till this day the best games ever made came when gameplay was allthat matter. Sadly this day and age people care more about games looking the best and online play.
 
[quote name='cancerman1120']I don't have one person who is linked to my RAPTR profile. I use it to track play times and achievements. Things I care about for MYSELF. I do not subject my friends to it on facebook because they could give a rats ass. So just go DERP yourself in the butt.[/QUOTE]

I know it's late but godamnit i busted up at work reading this exchange just now. Shit lol.
 
[quote name='TimboSliceGB']graphics don't make games. like i said before a game might be best looking game ever and gameplay could suck. You must not have been a gamer in the 80's and 90's till this day the best games ever made came when gameplay was allthat matter. Sadly this day and age people care more about games looking the best and online play.[/QUOTE]

lol I had an Atari dude.

Just because games can be good with sub-par graphics doesn't mean we should be content with graphics tech from 8 years ago.
 
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