PlayStation 4 - General Discussion Thread

No they're not meant for everybody but when you drop 400 on a supposed "next generation" system and every week there's a new remaster announced for a game that looked fine last generation, meanwhile everything for the new gen keeps getting put off, there's where people "like me. I won't speak for anyone else." start to get irritated.

 
Turk February said:
No they're not meant for everybody but when you drop 400 on a supposed "next generation" system and every week there's a new remaster announced for a game that looked fine last generation, meanwhile everything for the new gen keeps getting put off, there's where people "like me. I won't speak for anyone else." start to get irritated.
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Turk February said:
No they're not meant for everybody but when you drop 400 on a supposed "next generation" system and every week there's a new remaster announced for a game that looked fine last generation, meanwhile everything for the new gen keeps getting put off, there's where people "like me. I won't speak for anyone else." start to get irritated.
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I understand what you mean, but I think you're looking at it slightly wrong... If there's nothing suggesting that remasters are the cause for delays, then why have a problem with them? They get outsourced to dev studios that would have nothing going on to begin with, so more likely than not it's just a bonus. Something that publishers like to throw out there along with bad news to make it not seem so bad.

"Upset that this highly anticipated game got delayed? Don't worry, we've got this remaster collection on the way to fill in the gap/make good."

It's all just to make more money or to save face with fans and investors. Besides, if they can make money off of it, why shouldn't they?

TLDR; If what you're complaining about probably isn't the cause for your main complaint, don't complain about it.

 
if youre an early adopter of a brand new console, IE: a few years after it comes out, you shouldnt complain that theres "no new games coming out" cuz this shit happens every generation.

 
What I'm complaining about is, why do we own a next gen system if they're just porting all the previous gen games? Why should I (again, I'll use myself as the example) shell out $400 on a system that plays the exact same games I can play on a system I can get for half the price?

Look, I'm not saying they're all needless (hell I admit it, I grabbed the DmC and Borderlands ports), but why is it that they feel so many games deserve a next-gen makeover? Stop it already, Tomb Raider was cool but was it really necessary to port it??

 
Turk February said:
What I'm complaining about is, why do we own a next gen system if they're just porting all the previous gen games? Why should I (again, I'll use myself as the example) shell out $400 on a system that plays the exact same games I can play on a system I can get for half the price?

Look, I'm not saying they're all needless (hell I admit it, I grabbed the DmC and Borderlands ports), but why is it that they feel so many games deserve a next-gen makeover? Stop it already, Tomb Raider was cool but was it really necessary to port it??
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It'll never stop. I know what you mean though, even I was entirely "meh" on the GoW3 announcement.

My original point though was, most of the original studios don't handle these - so in the grand scheme of things it really doesn't affect much. Sure, publishers could just take that money and pour it into new projects, but they'd rather go with the more safe less-expensive route... I can hardly blame them for that, even if I don't care about most of these.

 
Turk February said:
What I'm complaining about is, why do we own a next gen system if they're just porting all the previous gen games? Why should I (again, I'll use myself as the example) shell out $400 on a system that plays the exact same games I can play on a system I can get for half the price?

Look, I'm not saying they're all needless (hell I admit it, I grabbed the DmC and Borderlands ports), but why is it that they feel so many games deserve a next-gen makeover? Stop it already, Tomb Raider was cool but was it really necessary to port it??
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Simple answer is that a lot of those games already have high-res versions on the PC which makes porting them to the next-gen consoles a fairly easy process. I don't think the remasters and remakes of last gen games have much of an effect on actual next-gen releases. I actually welcome these releases because I don't want to hook up my 360 to play some of these games I missed out on last generation. I've actually been crossing my fingers that South Park Stick of Truth gets the remaster treatment on PS4 and Xbox One as I never got to play it due to having unhooked my 360 months ago and with everything else getting re-released. If I can play a better version of an already great game that I may have not played last gen then I am all for it and it's always good to have more games to play than have nothing. If it wasn't for the re-releases and ports, than we would have very little to play on our shiny new systems right now.

 
And anyways, as someone pointed out *maybe in this thread, maybe elsewhere*, why all the ports when we have PS Now?

Keeping in mind the REAL disgrace: we really need a Gravity Rush port over a Fallout port?? :(

 
Turk February said:
And anyways, as someone pointed out *maybe in this thread, maybe elsewhere*, why all the ports when we have PS Now?

Keeping in mind the REAL disgrace: we really need a Gravity Rush port over a Fallout port?? :(
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If I had to guess it's because PS Now is more profitable for Sony than it is for publishers... But I could be wrong.

Also, I'll take GR over Fallout any day of the week. Besides, Fallout 4 is probably just around the corner(not that immenent releases have stopped the remaster train recently).
 
Sigma said:
Simple answer is that a lot of those games already have high-res versions on the PC which makes porting them to the next-gen consoles a fairly easy process. I don't think the remasters and remakes of last gen games have much of an effect on actual next-gen releases. I actually welcome these releases because I don't want to hook up my 360 to play some of these games I missed out on last generation. I've actually been crossing my fingers that South Park Stick of Truth gets the remaster treatment on PS4 and Xbox One as I never got to play it due to having unhooked my 360 months ago and with everything else getting re-released. If I can play a better version of an already great game that I may have not played last gen then I am all for it and it's always good to have more games to play than have nothing. If it wasn't for the re-releases and ports, than we would have very little to play on our shiny new systems right now.
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The fact that we accept this line of thinking is truly sad and the reason why this shit never changes. Sorry but at this point if you're not second guessing your decision to early-adopt, then they've beaten us. I'm not impressed by the PS4's proven ability to play PS3 or Vita games. I really wish I hadn't sold my PS3 to get my PS4.

 
Turk February said:
The fact that we accept this line of thinking is truly sad and the reason why this shit never changes. Sorry but at this point if you're not second guessing your decision to early-adopt, then they've beaten us. I'm not impressed by the PS4's proven ability to play PS3 or Vita games. I really wish I hadn't sold my PS3 to get my PS4.
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I own the Xbox One, PS4, and Wii U. I am not unhappy with any of these consoles. I think both the PS4 and Xbox One are lacking when it comes to exclusive titles for the either system, but I have enjoyed the games that have came out and the consoles aren't even two years old yet. I don't know about you, but the 360 and PS3 didn't have very many ports from PS2 and Xbox when they came out and neither console had much to play until 2-3 years after they launched. I really don't think these ports are taking much time to complete and certainly aren't taking a ton of resources away from developers making new games. If anything having a product out on the market selling can only help a company profit while they are working on the next big thing. I just find it funny that everyone seems to forget how bad the last two generations were at launch and the lack of quality titles out there for a year or longer after launch.

 
Turk February said:
What I'm complaining about is, why do we own a next gen system if they're just porting all the previous gen games? Why should I (again, I'll use myself as the example) shell out $400 on a system that plays the exact same games I can play on a system I can get for half the price?

Look, I'm not saying they're all needless (hell I admit it, I grabbed the DmC and Borderlands ports), but why is it that they feel so many games deserve a next-gen makeover? Stop it already, Tomb Raider was cool but was it really necessary to port it??
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Yeah but what you don't understand is that nobody is forcing you to buy these remastered games. You have a choice right? What is forcing you to get these remastered games, nothing. It's just your own choice to get it or not. What retailer won't sell you a PS4 or Xbox one if you don't also get a remastered game, no retailer. If you don't like it, don't purchases it. That's the power you have as an consumer.

Also just because you don't think a certain remastered game isn't nesscary doesn't mean everybody feels the same way. Why is it okay upgrade DMC and Borderlands but not Tomb Raider? This kind of thinking is just your own preference. You may not think Tomb Raider was worth it but someone who purchased and enjoyed might think otherwise.

 
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Sigma said:
I own the Xbox One, PS4, and Wii U. I am not unhappy with any of these consoles. I think both the PS4 and Xbox One are lacking when it comes to exclusive titles for the either system, but I have enjoyed the games that have came out and the consoles aren't even two years old yet. I don't know about you, but the 360 and PS3 didn't have very many ports from PS2 and Xbox when they came out and neither console had much to play until 2-3 years after they launched. I really don't think these ports are taking much time to complete and certainly aren't taking a ton of resources away from developers making new games. If anything having a product out on the market selling can only help a company profit while they are working on the next big thing. I just find it funny that everyone seems to forget how bad the last two generations were at launch and the lack of quality titles out there for a year or longer after launch.
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My thoughts exactly... besides, the difference in games from the PS3/360 era to now, is not nearly the difference that the PS2/Xbox to 360/PS3. The games would have had to have a lot done to them. Those first few years there were barely any games to write home about. These remasters just fill in that gap and really take no resources. I am fine with it because I have enjoyed the remasters and played several games I missed and don't want to have to get on other systems.

 
My problem isn't with how quickly these ports come out, it's with how many of them there are. As for not regretting adopting early because you're enjoying the ports, aren't they just as much fun on the ps3/360? Sorry but spending as much as I did on a brand new playstation 4 and getting a few exclusive games mixed in with all these games that played just fine on my old ps3, I can honestly say it was wasteful spending and if I had to do it all over again, I could easily have continued playing Fallout and Uncharted and waited a few years to play Dying Light. Never wanted to do it again but gamesharing is very much back in play for me at this point because I'm sick of throwing all that money away on games I've already played and in most cases beaten.

 
Turk February said:
My problem isn't with how quickly these ports come out, it's with how many of them there are. As for not regretting adopting early because you're enjoying the ports, aren't they just as much fun on the ps3/360? Sorry but spending as much as I did on a brand new playstation 4 and getting a few exclusive games mixed in with all these games that played just fine on my old ps3, I can honestly say it was wasteful spending and if I had to do it all over again, I could easily have continued playing Fallout and Uncharted and waited a few years to play Dying Light. Never wanted to do it again but gamesharing is very much back in play for me at this point because I'm sick of throwing all that money away on games I've already played and in most cases beaten.
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So quit buying games that you already played and beaten.

 
blueweltall said:
Yeah but what you don't understand is that nobody is forcing you to buy these remastered games. You have a choice right? What is forcing you to get these remastered games, nothing. It's just your own choice to get it or not. What retailer won't sell you a PS4 or Xbox one if you don't also get a remastered game, no retailer. If you don't like it, don't purchases it. That's the power you have as an consumer.

Also just because you don't think a certain remastered game isn't nesscary doesn't mean everybody feels the same way. Why is it okay upgrade DMC and Borderlands but not Tomb Raider? This kind of thinking is just your own preference. You may not think Tomb Raider was worth it but someone who purchased and enjoyed might think otherwise.
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and have I not stated in my posts that these are MY opinions?

 
Turk February said:
My problem isn't with how quickly these ports come out, it's with how many of them there are. As for not regretting adopting early because you're enjoying the ports, aren't they just as much fun on the ps3/360? Sorry but spending as much as I did on a brand new playstation 4 and getting a few exclusive games mixed in with all these games that played just fine on my old ps3, I can honestly say it was wasteful spending and if I had to do it all over again, I could easily have continued playing Fallout and Uncharted and waited a few years to play Dying Light. Never wanted to do it again but gamesharing is very much back in play for me at this point because I'm sick of throwing all that money away on games I've already played and in most cases beaten.
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Just wondering but is this the first time you bought a console at launch?

 
Turk February said:
My problem isn't with how quickly these ports come out, it's with how many of them there are. As for not regretting adopting early because you're enjoying the ports, aren't they just as much fun on the ps3/360? Sorry but spending as much as I did on a brand new playstation 4 and getting a few exclusive games mixed in with all these games that played just fine on my old ps3, I can honestly say it was wasteful spending and if I had to do it all over again, I could easily have continued playing Fallout and Uncharted and waited a few years to play Dying Light. Never wanted to do it again but gamesharing is very much back in play for me at this point because I'm sick of throwing all that money away on games I've already played and in most cases beaten.
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I enjoy playing some of the ports, but I always buy the new consoles when they come out. I have the money to do it and gaming is primary hobby so I enjoy being able to have options and play anything that comes out. I've enjoyed a ton of games on all three consoles that are brand new and not available on past consoles as well. I definitely don't only play ports of last-gen games. The fact of the mater is games cost a lot more money to make now and when a company can release a port for and sell it for $40 and make a profit to fund new games and ideas then I am all for it. It's a win-win situation for the consumer, publisher, and developer. As someone else said, no one is forcing you to buy these re-releases and no one is going to fault you for your decision, but some of us didn't play them on last-gen and would prefer to play them on a current console.

 
blueweltall said:
So quit buying games that you already played and beaten.
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And do what with this machine? Let it sit there and collect dust? Use it as a decorative conversation piece? I'm stuck with this piece of crap machine that I massively overpaid for. (For those of you who need it pointed out, I clearly was talking about myself in this post)

 
Turk February said:
My problem isn't with how quickly these ports come out, it's with how many of them there are. As for not regretting adopting early because you're enjoying the ports, aren't they just as much fun on the ps3/360? Sorry but spending as much as I did on a brand new playstation 4 and getting a few exclusive games mixed in with all these games that played just fine on my old ps3, I can honestly say it was wasteful spending and if I had to do it all over again, I could easily have continued playing Fallout and Uncharted and waited a few years to play Dying Light. Never wanted to do it again but gamesharing is very much back in play for me at this point because I'm sick of throwing all that money away on games I've already played and in most cases beaten.
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How many times have you gone back to the PS3? Going from the PS4 to the PS3 is terrible. The Ps3's UI is so much worse then the PS4. Synching trophies is nearly broken on PS3, and is done instantly on PS4. I can stream games, capture clips, upload screen shots. All the apps seem to work better, and I love the interface overall.

We are early adopters still, and the biggest benefit we get is better software running on the hardware... not to mention the amount of indie games we get on a weekly basis is insane. Games like Resogun, helldivers, Secret ponchos, Outlast, etc, plus how well the PS4 works, and the great redesign on the console, I know why I bought my PS4. Then the promise of franchises I love like God of War, The Last of Us, Uncharted, and Batman Arkham Knight let me know I have stuff to look forward to.

 
Turk February said:
And do what with this machine? Let it sit there and collect dust? Use it as a decorative conversation piece? I'm stuck with this piece of crap machine that I massively overpaid for. (For those of you who need it pointed out, I clearly was talking about myself in this post)
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Dude, than sell it. Just because your not using it doesn't mean you have to be a pawn and buy every game that you already beaten and play just to use it.

 
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Turk February said:
And do what with this machine? Let it sit there and collect dust? Use it as a decorative conversation piece? I'm stuck with this piece of crap machine that I massively overpaid for. (For those of you who need it pointed out, I clearly was talking about myself in this post)
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I mean, you do realize there will be games that you can only play on PS4 and not PS3 right?

 
Turk February said:
And do what with this machine? Let it sit there and collect dust? Use it as a decorative conversation piece? I'm stuck with this piece of crap machine that I massively overpaid for. (For those of you who need it pointed out, I clearly was talking about myself in this post)
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I don't care what you do with your fucking paper weight, all I know is I am going to keep playing my PS4 that I have way too many games and very little time to get to them.

 
Turk February said:
Are you gonna pay the $400 I wasted on this port machine? Sorry but I'm not accepting the shitty trade-ins from bestbuy or gamestop to make up for this crap
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Its to bad you missed a few weeks ago when Gamestop was doing 50% trade in bonus on systems and PS4 was trading in for like, $325-$350?

You have no one to blame for this other than yourself. Welcome to the first few years of a console launch.

 
bestkeeper14 said:
I don't care what you do with your fucking paper weight, all I know is I am going to keep playing my PS4 that I have way too many games and very little time to get to them.
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Congrats dude you do that. I'll continue to ignore and bitch about thse shitty ports and "upgraded" indie games I ignored on the ps3 in the first place. Don't like it? fuck it, you're free to put me on ignore

 
Turk February said:
Are you gonna pay the $400 I wasted on this port machine? Sorry but I'm not accepting the shitty trade-ins from bestbuy or gamestop to make up for this crap
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I'm sure some snotty nosed kid that is such an idiot for buying your paperweight may buy it for $350 or so on Ebay or Craigslist...

 
Turk February said:
Congrats dude you do that. I'll continue to ignore and bitch about thse shitty ports and "upgraded" indie games I ignored on the ps3 in the first place. Don't like it? fuck it, you're free to put me on ignore
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I think its become clear you aren't here for an actual discussion and instead just want to stop your feet and have a temper tantrum over ports.

 
Deader2818 said:
I think its become clear you aren't here for an actual discussion and instead just want to stop your feet and have a temper tantrum over ports.
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That's right dude, that's exactly what I want to do. If you people want to continue to be sheep and lap up the shit these "developers" put out there, then you do that. But sorry, I'm not willing to sit here and mindlessly thank them for this shit. Excuse me for expecting more from a "next gen" machine.

 
I'll take remasters, but there's a ton of them I can think off top that weren't needed.  They're obvious cash-grabs, but that's just the business.

Plus I'm not entirely sure about the PS3's first year, but MS had Gears/Dead Rising/Saints Row/Lost Planet right off the back by the end of 2006.

And Turk, if you're selling your PS4, I'll gladly take it off your hand.  After seeing the Digital Foundry breakdown of FFXV, would be beyond silly playing that or KH3 on the One.

 
Turk February said:
That's right dude, that's exactly what I want to do. If you people want to continue to be sheep and lap up the shit these "developers" put out there, then you do that. But sorry, I'm not willing to sit here and mindlessly thank them for this shit. Excuse me for expecting more from a "next gen" machine.
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See, I don't get why you are so mad though. Like I said,the option is either have these remasters or don't. Not having these remasters doesn't mean you would get more "next gen" only games. Every system that has ever launched has always had very thin line ups in the first 2 years.

I think thats what it really comes down to, you expected way to much within the first 2 years. You should be mad at your self for not thinking it through more than at developers.

 
Holy hell, this has turned into quite the argument here...

I don't think there are THAT many ports, you're acting like that's 75% of what's on the console.

I have 24 PS4 games. Two are ports from PS3(TR, TLoU), 9 are next-gen exclusives, while the rest are available on PS4 & PS3. Most of those are much better on PS4, and this is something that's always happened. There's are also TONS of downloadable games that are only next-gen.

To say that you're mostly only able to play ports would suggest that you're a close-minded dudebro gamer of which I know you are not. I sympathize with some of your points but you should really stop exaggerating.
 
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See, I don't get why you are so mad though. Like I said,the option is either have these remasters or don't. Not having these remasters doesn't mean you would get more "next gen" only games. Every system that has ever launched has always had very thin line ups in the first 2 years.

I think thats what it really comes down to, you expected way to much within the first 2 years. You should be mad at your self for not thinking it through more than at developers.
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I am going to assume that he didn't buy the 360 or PS3 when they launched. You can't expect to see Uncharted, Final Fantasy, Metal Gear Solid, Ratchet and Clank, Twisted Metal, God of War, etc. all release within the first two years of the systems life. Those games cost a lot of money and take a lot of time to make, they aren't going to rush them out the door to make a quick buck off the guy who demands a slew of AAA releases early in the systems life. I take it that this dude isn't into Indie games either because the PS4 is loaded with amazing Indie titles already, games that are original, fresh, new, and best of all inexpensive.

 
I don't know why he is calling us a sheep when he is the one buying stuff that he has already beaten and play, than later complain about having to buy those same games he already played and beaten.

 
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Heck I spent $750 for both consoles + extra controllers for both and the only 2 games i feel like playing on a regular basis are nhl 15 and fifa 15.  I feel kinda stupid now but the games will come eventually.  Not gonna complain about remasters because I don't want to have a console graveyard in my closet 10 years from now

 
Here are things I think are funny after reading some of the recent thread:

  1. People act like they are required to buy the games that come out.
  2. People act like they have never seen the console launch line-up (it's slim... get over it)
  3. People act like the team that is working on these ports are the ones that develop new games (it's not, these get shilled to side companies)
  4. Sadly the game fanbase is very entitled.
 
Well to play devil's advocate I can understand where Turk is coming from a little. I think he's coming from a position where he's just simply disappointed in the offerings from the PS4. The only thing I'll add is that I think it's more fair to frame the disappointment at the current console generation across the board rather than solely at PlayStation. I think you can extend the argument towards the Xbone.

Going back to the PS4 offering, the only platform exclusives so far that are of note is inFamous: SS and the Order (to a much lesser extent as it didn't quite wow me). Games like Killzone and Knack I think we can all agree were more good for passing the time than amazing. Don't get me started on DriveClub. To the many, forgettable titles. Yes, I'm fully aware there are quality indie titles to not ignore like Resogun. The inherent problem with these games is the lack of a publisher makes it really hard to properly market them to the general audience. When I shop at Best Buy or Gamestop, there was plenty of opportunities to push for my preorder and hype of games like The Order and such. I didn't pay much attention to Resogun until my friend played it in front of me. If it wasn't for him, I probably would have ignored it completely. So to be fair, I think there are some other quality games on the PS4 as well, they're just not marketed as well.

As for the remasters, from a hardcore gamer's perspective, it's not common for people to replay games that they enjoyed years ago. Yes, there are plenty of people that don't mind playing classics but typically once you're done with a game - you're done. When I transitioned to the PS3 I all but nearly abandoned the PS2. When I transitioned to the PS4, I kept my PS3 around because I liked it better as a Blu Ray player with my remote. I don't like to game on classics since I'm content with having played through them the first time they came out already. I'll admit I've made an exception for games like TLoU which I think it's MP has been absolutely fantastic the second time around so it's essentially become a second lease on life for a gamer like me as it's become my "main" now for a long time.

But going back to my original point is I think there just seems to be so many remasters (DMC, TR, TLoU, GTA, etc.) and cross gen titles that it almost gives off this false image of dilution of quality games compared to strictly PS4 exclusives. I think to some folks like Turk, it just seems like all the great games that are available aren't necessarily needed for the PS4. Hence the "wasteful" comment. But again, I think you can extend this to the entire console generation really.
 
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First off it is really weird for someone to complain about all these remastered and yet admit that they will be picking up two of these titles this month. Than later complained that Gravity Rush is getting a PS4 port but Fallout isn't. Plain and simple, he is just mad that games that he think should be remastered are not getting it, while other games he deemed inferior are. If there is going to be a Fallout Remastered, who do you think is going to get it?

Turk February said:
And anyways, as someone pointed out *maybe in this thread, maybe elsewhere*, why all the ports when we have PS Now?

Keeping in mind the REAL disgrace: we really need a Gravity Rush port over a Fallout port?? :(
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I just don't think remastered games are hurting anything. They are releasing in between the big releases that are coming out. They are like fillers. And no one is forcing you to buy anything. Just because one person doesn't like it doesn't mean that other people do not.
 
Speaking of remastered games, I'm really not into it unless I missed the last release. But I would buy Skyrim or Fallout 3/New Vegas day one. I really got into GTA 5 on PS4, even though I beat it on PS3. It's one of those games, I still want to play, especially online, but don't want to have to switch between PS4 and PS3.

Honestly though I can see how it can be a little underwhelming to see all of these games receiving a Remaster, but it's nothing to bitch and complain about. For the most part, most of the games being Remastered are really good games. It is kind of annoying when games get rereleased less then 6 months after launch, that's you Borderlands. But seriously so what?

It's like people complaining there's too many games for the PS4, it doesn't make much sense.
 
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