Please allow to go past 500 posts due to draft. NFL Offseason discussion roundtable.

[quote name='Duo_Maxwell']He's supposed to be throwing again in June and fully recovered by the start of camp IIRC. Culpepper showed that he can muck things up really quickly without a standout cast around him, which the Saints don't really have. Also I think Cutler is an overrated draft prospect. All these top 5 discussions for a Vandy Qb with a losing record and one standout season, good QBs are a shortage this draft, but still crazy IMO. Still picking him as the #2 overall pick would be nuts I think, why not draft Leinart or Young first? If they really want to get Cutler they should make a deal to trade with at least the Jets or packers or someone to hopefully get a later rounds pick out of it. Though I admit they maybe going over the mark with paying Brees.[/quote]

I don't know if Cutler is overrated but when i watched the guy play against the Gators this year he was pretty awesome surrounded by questionable talent at Vandy. Imagine if he played for USC with all of the talent that they have or if Leinart played instead at Vandy, do you think the results would be different? You just never know if a quarterback is going to be great or going to be a career backup when drafting them in the first round. As far as the Brees & Culpepper injuries only time will tell whether each player will regain the form that made them Pro Bowlers. It seems that the Chargers may know the real deal with Brees situation because they have enough money to re-sign him, but with all of the other teams that are interested in him maybe they really want to play Rivers. It should be interesting to see how the draft is shaken up after Brees signs with a team and if Culpepper gets traded.
 
Ok, how is Daniel Snyder able to spend all this money while staying under the cap? Makes absolutely no sense.

Man, this Brees thing plays huge into the Draft Situation, if the Saints go w/ Brees that means
1- Bush
2-Mario Williams
3-Leinart
4-Young
5-Hawk
6-D'Brick HOUSE
7-Cutler.
 
Oh yeah, brilliant move by da Skins by giving Lloyd tons of moolah.

Comparing the stats (mind you, Lloyd is about to sign a 5 yr. 30 mil deal while Antonio Bryant who the 49ers basically chose over Lloyd signed a 4 year 15 Mil. Deal)

Brandon Lloyd in 2005 playing 16 games: 48 receptions for 733 yds and 5 TD's.

Antonio Bryant in 2005 playing 16 games: 69 receptions for 1009 yds and 4 TD's.

Brilliant move, Skins.

And another thing, Brandon Lloyd is 6 ft. Santana Moss is 5'10 and Randle El is 5'10, so basically they have 3 short recievers that don't go over the middle, how does the make an offense "better"?
 
[quote name='ph33r m3']we do have a young qb but he's a shotgun passer that should just for the hell of it throw it deep to arguably one of the best acrobatic cathers in the NFL Lloyd.[/QUOTE]
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[quote name='ph33r m3']Who do we have? Lloyd is a great WR who amazes me everytime[/QUOTE]
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[quote name='ph33r m3']Brandon Lloyd 4 Presidente![/QUOTE]
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I thought you loved the guy.
 
I do love the guy. All of my posts said hes the most acrobatic guy i've ever seen, he's made catches that I will never see again. But the 3rd rounder and 5th rounder this year was totally worth it for a guy that in a normal offense is at best a #4.

Pros for Lloyd:
Amazing Agility
Freaky good hands
Pimp Dance Moves
Pretty fast, if I remember he ran the 40 in...4.34?

Cons:
Short
Alligator Arms
Can't go over the middle
Very inconsistent
 
[quote name='DT778']i think he is a solid 3[/quote]

On a team that has different type of recieving corps. Problem is the Redskins recieving corps are all downfield long shot recievers. Lloyd is horrible at 8 yd curl routes, Santana Moss another down the field reciever, Randle El is a down the field reciever. Hopefully, Gibbs can find a way to get these guys to be more complete.
 
[quote name='docvinh']I'm hoping the bills release Moulds so the eagles can make a play at him. We need a receiver now.[/QUOTE]

You can have him and his exspenive contract. as much as i am a fan of mouldsy...i would rather save the 10 million in cap space and have gone for another free agent. Marv has stated he wants to keep moulds but i think with the defensive needs which are still lingering will be addressed first and thats where moulds will get released. either the bills get Vernon Davis and sign Ryan Pickket or draft Haloti Ngata and and use that money to make Big Nate happy. oh well thats the first week of free agency for ya...i think here are some other moves no one has listed yet

Akin Ayodele signs with Dallas
Jamal Lewis resigns with baltimore
Mike Anderson signs with baltimore
Trevor Pryce signs with Baltimore
R.W Mcquarters signs with NY Giants
David Thornton signs with Tennesee
Dexter Jackson signs with Cincinati
Adam Archuleta signs with Washington
Antonio Bryant signs with San Fransico
Makae Keomeatu Signs with Carlina
Kendrick Clancy signs with Arizona
Jason Whittle signs with Minnesota

I dont feel like putting up the links for these but hey cant say the new CBA isnt working its charm....
 
[quote name='ph33r m3']Oh yeah, brilliant move by da Skins by giving Lloyd tons of moolah.

Comparing the stats (mind you, Lloyd is about to sign a 5 yr. 30 mil deal while Antonio Bryant who the 49ers basically chose over Lloyd signed a 4 year 15 Mil. Deal)

Brandon Lloyd in 2005 playing 16 games: 48 receptions for 733 yds and 5 TD's.

Antonio Bryant in 2005 playing 16 games: 69 receptions for 1009 yds and 4 TD's.

Brilliant move, Skins.

And another thing, Brandon Lloyd is 6 ft. Santana Moss is 5'10 and Randle El is 5'10, so basically they have 3 short recievers that don't go over the middle, how does the make an offense "better"?[/quote]

I don't understand how Snyder can continue to spend like this, but this is the first time I have liked what he is doing with his money. Instead of spending money on high-priced vets, he is getting some good young talent. The skins really needed someone besides Moss who can break big plays. Even Portis didn't start making big plays until after half the season was overwith. They really don't need a receiver to go over the middle because they have Chris Cooley at 6'3" 250 to do that. He is one of the top TEs in the league right now. He had 71 receptions, 774 yards receiving, and 7 TDs.
 
Fear the Fins, Nick Saban has this team on the right track. With a franchise QB (Brees, Culpepper) this team could go all the way. All we really need to address now is the secondary, a little more depth at O-line, and possibly depth at WR and DT. The Dolphins will be nasty folks!
 
Lloyd sucks -- I'm really glad we got a couple of draft picks for him.

I think the reason the 'Skins can get away with signing payers to so many of these huge contracts is because there's so little guaranteed money... realistically, I don't think they plan on keeping any of these guys here for six seasons (and with only portion of it guaranteed, there aren't many reprecussions)...
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']I don't understand how Snyder can continue to spend like this, but this is the first time I have liked what he is doing with his money. Instead of spending money on high-priced vets, he is getting some good young talent. The skins really needed someone besides Moss who can break big plays. Even Portis didn't start making big plays until after half the season was overwith. They really don't need a receiver to go over the middle because they have Chris Cooley at 6'3" 250 to do that. He is one of the top TEs in the league right now. He had 71 receptions, 774 yards receiving, and 7 TDs.[/quote]

It's actually pretty simple. He was able to get under the salary cap with Arrington agreeing to forfeit several millions of dollars and with the restructuring of several player's contracts.

Now this is how he actually is signing all these players. He backloads every contract he gives out. Meaning the first three or so years are very cap friendly, and then they spike and that's where the brunt of the money is at.

When these contracts start to balloon, he gets the players to agree to restructure their contract, thus reducing the salary cap hit the Redskins receive.

If players continue to do this, Snyder doesn't have anything to worry about, but once a couple players decide they want all their money, it spells doom.

Also keep in mind that he's giving away all his draft picks, too. That is really going to hurt them.
 
Lions signed Corey Bradford....yeah, another WR. Also re-signed Eddie Drummond. They better make a GOOD move soon....we are losing more than we are signing.

Corey Bradford will replace Kevin Johnson...who knows, C-Rogers could be on the trading block too.
 
[quote name='doubledown']Lions signed Corey Bradford....yeah, another WR. Also re-signed Eddie Drummond. They better make a GOOD move soon....we are losing more than we are signing.

Corey Bradford will replace Kevin Johnson...who knows, C-Rogers could be on the trading block too.[/QUOTE]

Well the upside is hopepfully they'll now be smart enough and prepared enough to not spend another 1st round pick on another WR (watch though, as I say this the Lions staff is probably considering Santanio Holmes or somebody for their rediculous stable of 10 wideouts or something...).
 
Cincinatti got a pretty solid safety in Dexter Jackson. I'm not all that worried that the Bucs let him get away again because Will Allen has played well and has learned how to play within the Tampa 2 defense and Jackson had missed several games since he re-signed back with the Bucs a couple of years ago. I'm sure a lot of people are wondering how Matt Millen is going to do this offseason because I'm sure this is the last chance he gets if that team isn't competitive.
 
[quote name='gofishn']Fear the Fins, Nick Saban has this team on the right track. With a franchise QB (Brees, Culpepper) this team could go all the way. All we really need to address now is the secondary, a little more depth at O-line, and possibly depth at WR and DT. The Dolphins will be nasty folks![/quote]


Make that Culpepper. http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5411538
 
Darn it !
I was hoping my vikes would get Ricky Williams and try to make everyone quit talking about the boat.
Poor Gus Ferotte, escapes to Miami to back up Duante.
I just hope that 2nd rounder is used wisely.
 
Drew Brees to the Saints
Dante to the Fins

Jon Kitna to Detroit....not my ideal choice. Oh well....here we go again. They better draft good.
 
[quote name='H-Town Info']it also looks like leinart could be going to titans or later.[/quote]

Definitely Titans cuz of Norm Chow. IMO, Top 5 should now be:

1) Texans - Bush
2) Saints - Williams
3) Titans - Leinart
4) Jets - D' Brick or Young
5) Packers - Hawk


If the Jets don't take Young @ 5 he should slide to the Raiders @ 7. However, SF will be in a tough spot @ 6 if the Jets opt for Brick. They probably would/should trade it for someone who wants Young otherwise they might have to reach for Lendale. Likely partners wouild be the Raiders, Lions or Cards.
 
Glad that Miami was able to get Dante and hopefully he'll fully recover from the knee injuries by training camp. I'm happy Dante didn't go to the Raiders or the Saints. New England will be challenged for the AFC East this year because Miami should be scary with Dante launching the ball to Chambers & McMichael & having Ronnie & Ricky in the backfield. Now all they have to do is replenish some pieces on defense, but Saban definitely chose the right team to start his NFL career.
It looks like the Saints are starting to make some moves in the NFC South by getting Brees who should be able to make better decisions than Brooks did and he still has Horn and the Deuce as weapons around him. I wonder if they'll look to add more players by trading their pick or if they'll take Williams because of Howard leaving. They still have Smith & Grant on the D-line who were both first round picks. Hopefully the Bucs can add a different kicker because Matt Bryant was solid but I was always nervous whenever he took the field to try a field goal.
 
hopefully the panthers pick up keyshawn. He would be a good complement to Smith as he is not afriad to go over the middle and get the tough yardage
 
HA! Remember when that dumbfuck Keyshawn Johnson said he was better than Michael Irvin, sure don't recall the Boys cutting Irvin. Hopefully Keyshawn spends the rest of his career rotting in hell with TO.
 
[quote name='Zenithian Legend']HA! Remember when that dumbfuck Keyshawn Johnson said he was better than Michael Irvin, sure don't recall the Boys cutting Irvin. Hopefully Keyshawn spends the rest of his career rotting in hell with TO.[/quote]

Being a Skins fan I am not a huge fan of Irvin, but the man was very talented. For Keyshawn to compare himself to Michael Irvin is laughable at best.

Keyshawn is a good, solid receiver. Irvin was a GREAT receiver.
 
According to Redskins.com, John Abraham has visited Washington and is looking at possible offers. That would make the already unbelievable looking skins the unbeatable skins. Plus Id love to see the look on every single jets fan when they find out that their great "Franchise" player is gone.
 
oh yeah and Ramsey is probably on his way out of washington, they just signed todd Collins to a 2 year deal. So that makes: Brunell, Campbell, Collins.
 
The Dolphins are definitely my least favorite team in the NFL, but Daunte is probably my favorite player in the league right now (from the same area, and went to college at UCF, my soon to be Alma Mater). What am I going to do??
 
[quote name='2Fast']The Dolphins are definitely my least favorite team in the NFL, but Daunte is probably my favorite player in the league right now (from the same area, and went to college at UCF, my soon to be Alma Mater). What am I going to do??[/QUOTE]

I don't have that problem. Not only am I a lifelong Dolphins fan, but I am a UCF grad as well so I've been a fan of Culpepper for quite some time now. I think you should just become a Dolphins fan now, this is a team on the rise.
 
[quote name='2Fast']The Dolphins are definitely my least favorite team in the NFL, but Daunte is probably my favorite player in the league right now (from the same area, and went to college at UCF, my soon to be Alma Mater). What am I going to do??[/quote] Narrow down your favorite teams from 32 to 1. Problem solved.
 
[quote name='DT778']Narrow down your favorite teams from 32 to 1. Problem solved.[/quote]

But when you like every team, you never lose.

Anyway, saying my least favorite team is the Dolphins was a polite way of saying I absolutely despise them. To answer your smartass-ery, I only actively pull for two teams: the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, and the Jacksonville Jaguars.
 
Now that the draft is mucked up, thanks to the signing of Brees (redirecting the saints attention), the Texans presumably have no hope of trading down and taking Ferguson. I was really hoping Bush would go to a good team with a descent offensive line too...

Personally, I thought Miami would be the best fit for Brees while Leinart would be a good fit in New Orleans... oh well.
 
what do you guys think of Josh McCown (Cardinals)?
hes a FA and the Raiders are interested.
when Kurt Warner went down last season and McCown stepped in, he showed some flashes of greatness. Hes got a cannon for an arm....perfect for hitting Randy Moss with.
 
[quote name='nickmad']what do you guys think of Josh McCown (Cardinals)?
hes a FA and the Raiders are interested.
when Kurt Warner went down last season and McCown stepped in, he showed some flashes of greatness. Hes got a cannon for an arm....perfect for hitting Randy Moss with.[/QUOTE]

He is wildly inconsistent at best, especially considering the receiving talent around him. The team never scored with him at QB it felt like. Stay AWAY.
 
I really hope the jets satisfy their needs at QB before the draft, so the raiders dont touch jay cutler with that #7 pick. IMO, that guy sucks, he has good college numbers, but when he plays a solid team, he doesnt do shit. Another alex smith in the making, QB with good stats just because he plays bad teams
 
[quote name='Murcielago77']I really hope the jets satisfy their needs at QB before the draft, so the raiders dont touch jay cutler with that #7 pick. IMO, that guy sucks, he has good college numbers, but when he plays a solid team, he doesnt do shit. Another alex smith in the making, QB with good stats just because he plays bad teams[/QUOTE]

Well, he played on a bad team, but that bad team is in the SEC, which is one of the toughest conferences in college football.
 
[quote name='Murcielago77']I really hope the jets satisfy their needs at QB before the draft, so the raiders dont touch jay cutler with that #7 pick. IMO, that guy sucks, he has good college numbers, but when he plays a solid team, he doesnt do shit. Another alex smith in the making, QB with good stats just because he plays bad teams[/QUOTE]

and also alex smith was in shotgun offense. he never really lied up behind center and this past nfl season was his first time doing that since maybe high school. cutler has a lot of tools and experience than alex smith. also, i bet u think leftwich, culpepper, pennington (before shoulder injury), freotte and mcnair all suck as well since they put college numbers in their 2-nd tier conferences in college. on the other side, akili smith, cade mcnown, joey harrington, ryan f'n leaf, heath shuler, and rick mirer all put numbers against good competition but couldn't make it in the nfl or barely making it. thats y qb is the hardest hardest position to judge b/c u have to judge his arm strength, accuracy, throwing motion, reading the defense, quick and decisive decisions, handle pressure, and leadership. if i were the raiders and cutler was there, i would take him b/c i think he'll be a great qb in the league and has all the tools. leinart will be the best at the end but cutler wont be far behind. but the raiders have TONS OF NEEDS (o-line help (when the hell is gallery going to LT), DT to help sapp and fill the void of ted washington, LBs, LBs, LBs, strong side DE, and a hard-hitting safety.)
 
Detroit is now loaded with quarterbacks after the signings of Kitna and McCown. It looks like Joey is out the door.

Harrington also requested to be released or traded today, as well.
 
[quote name='thingsfallnapart']Looks like the seahawks run is over already.[/quote]

I don't see that, they've kept all of the important offensive and defensive players, except Jurevicious, and maybe Hutchinson.

I'll be really optomistic if they keep Hutchinson, and Warrick becomes (or they add) the deep threat they need.
 
The draft is now not looking good for my 49ers. With the Jets basically getting Schaub, this doesn't bode well. Here's my re-do of the draft

HOU- Bush
NO- Ferguson
TEN- Leinart
JETS- M.Williams
PACKERS-Hawk

I hope my 49ers trade out of this pick and go in the mid teens and have a chance at Vernon Davis or Jimmy Williams.
 
[quote name='ph33r m3']The draft is now not looking good for my 49ers. With the Jets basically getting Schaub, this doesn't bode well. Here's my re-do of the draft

HOU- Bush
NO- Ferguson
TEN- Leinart
JETS- M.Williams
PACKERS-Hawk

I hope my 49ers trade out of this pick and go in the mid teens and have a chance at Vernon Davis or Jimmy Williams.[/QUOTE]

Me too. But realistically, I don't see Vernon Davis lasting until the mid-teens. After his combine, I think he's almost a lock for a top ten pick... I can't see the Cardinals (10th) or the Rams (11th) passing him up. Or hell, even the Lions. Matt Millen can never have enough receivers.


I don't know what I want them to do. At #6, with Cutler and Young still there, someone might be willing to give up a lot to trade up. The bad thing, though, is that trading down (obviously) results in you losing out on a Vernon Davis / A.J. Hawk / Michael Huff / D'Brick / Super Mario (because one of them will be there at #6, guaranteed).

Personally I want Vernon Davis because that amount of athleticism at a tight end position is pretty much unprecedented. He ran a 4.38 40-yard dash! That's what Troy Williamson ran, and he's considered an absolute speed demon. Plus, the 49ers do need an offensive weapon... Davis could very well be the next Gates. And he's got a good work ethic, too.


I don't want Huff. It's silly, I don't really follow college... so I've never really heard of him. =P But honestly, I think that Williams / Hawk / Davis are all pretty much locks to be very good NFL players. Brick, too.


I can't wait for the draft to get here..
 
[quote name='WinnieThePujols']Me too. But realistically, I don't see Vernon Davis lasting until the mid-teens. After his combine, I think he's almost a lock for a top ten pick... I can't see the Cardinals (10th) or the Rams (11th) passing him up. Or hell, even the Lions. Matt Millen can never have enough receivers.


I don't know what I want them to do. At #6, with Cutler and Young still there, someone might be willing to give up a lot to trade up. The bad thing, though, is that trading down (obviously) results in you losing out on a Vernon Davis / A.J. Hawk / Michael Huff / D'Brick / Super Mario (because one of them will be there at #6, guaranteed).

Personally I want Vernon Davis because that amount of athleticism at a tight end position is pretty much unprecedented. He ran a 4.38 40-yard dash! That's what Troy Williamson ran, and he's considered an absolute speed demon. Plus, the 49ers do need an offensive weapon... Davis could very well be the next Gates. And he's got a good work ethic, too.


I don't want Huff. It's silly, I don't really follow college... so I've never really heard of him. =P But honestly, I think that Williams / Hawk / Davis are all pretty much locks to be very good NFL players. Brick, too.


I can't wait for the draft to get here..[/quote]

My idea for my 49ers has always been, if Hawk,Williams, or D'Brick are not there, we trade down. I hope the Vikings would trade with us or a team with a need. I wouldn't mind getting Jimmy Williams or DeAngelo Williams at RB from Memphis. I would hope that if we traded down we could get another 2nd round pick and draft Mercedes Lewis or Pope at TE.

Lots of different ways it could go.
 
[quote name='nyyanksfan20']T.O. a Cowboy![/QUOTE]

HELLS YEAH! One of the best offseason acqusitions thus far. I'm a diehard Cowboys fan, have been since I can remember growing up down the road in good ol' Fort Worth. I could care less what T.O does off the field and don't hold the 2002 Touchdown celebrations, in the middle of the star in Texas Stadium, against him. I think football fans, commentators, writers, etc. over analyze T.O. For example using the touchdown celebration on the star, many Cowboy fans on the Dan Patrick show didn't want him in Dallas because of this incident.

Sure T.O might have gone a little overboard, but it's how he gets pumped up and pumps up the team. The man is loyal to the team, maybe not individuals, but the team. I see him putting on the blue and silver and bringing home victories for Dallas and just like the celebration in the star he will do the same to another team as well, it just comes with the package. I'm excited about this deal and can't wait for the season to start, especially when Dallas faces Philly.
 
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