Proposition 8 same sex marriage ban poll

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Obviously sucking some dude's cock and wanting the same rights as other couples is on par with underage incest between siblings. :roll:

I'm embarrassed that Florida seems to have voted Amendment 2 in...after voting Obama in, I thought we opened our mind.
 
[quote name='nintendokid']So just because I have a strong affinity towards keeping traditions and religions alive, I'm automatically Christian full of bigotry? I am willing to bet all my games that you cannot guess my affiliation...because I am not Christian! My family's religion is animism, an ancient pagan religion. I love the values that Christians instill in their children and I recognize that America is such a great country because it has held on to its traditions. None of you have no respect for the Founding Fathers and it's even more sickening when it's white-European American folks who are advocating gay marriage, abortion, and redistribution of wealth!!![/quote]
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[quote name='spmahn']Screw you. You want equality and respect from the majority of Americans? How about you start respecting the what is it, 85% of Americans who believe in some sort of spiritual faith? Clearly the majority of Americans do not agree with your lifestyle choice. This isn't Civil Rights where the issue is a few small pockets of hatred limited to just those regions, this is clearly an issue where the majority of the country simply does not agree. This is a democracy, and if you don't like it, perhaps you ought to find someplace else to reside.[/quote]

That's why they may lose. It's because they themselves are intolerant extremists: here's where I would play Gavin Newsom's "It's gonna happen, whether you like it or not..." quote.
 
[quote name='spmahn']Screw you. You want equality and respect from the majority of Americans? How about you start respecting the what is it, 85% of Americans who believe in some sort of spiritual faith? Clearly the majority of Americans do not agree with your lifestyle choice. This isn't Civil Rights where the issue is a few small pockets of hatred limited to just those regions, this is clearly an issue where the majority of the country simply does not agree. This is a democracy, and if you don't like it, perhaps you ought to find someplace else to reside.[/QUOTE]
The problem lies with the fact that those who do believe in a spiritual faith are intent of cramming it down the throats of those who don't. Homosexuality is not a choice, and it is not something that can be turned off at will. Society seems intent on creating laws designed to segregate the homosexual community into their own sector with "separate but equal" classifications for just about every legal situation that might arise.

That's where I take issue. If you want to believe in a spiritual or religious ideal, that's fine. Don't punish the other 15% because they don't share the same views as you. Acceptance and tolerance are all that are being asked for - all the gay community wants is to be treated like everyone else and not made to feel like the outcasts in a nation that they call home.

It's not too much to ask.
 
Of course it's gonna happen. It's a bunch of people putting their nose in other people's business to feel superior.

Get over yourselves. It's not over. Maybe Cali, but there IS still hope.
 
[quote name='lilboo']I'm gonna suck Jesus' fat cock and show you the cum.
Shut up and get out of this thread.[/QUOTE]

I'd jack off to this.
 
[quote name='lilboo']Of course it's gonna happen. It's a bunch of people putting their nose in other people's business to feel superior.

Get over yourselves. It's not over. Maybe Cali, but there IS still hope.[/quote]
Damn right!
 
[quote name='Mr. 420']Lilboo you are disgusting and I know you will rot in hell.[/QUOTE]
Speak civil and intelligently. Pretty simple. I'm interested to hear why you favor Prop 8. I just don't want to hear you use religion in any way.
 
[quote name='JJSP']The problem lies with the fact that those who do believe in a spiritual faith are intent of cramming it down the throats of those who don't. Homosexuality is not a choice, and it is not something that can be turned off at will. Society seems intent on creating laws designed to segregate the homosexual community into their own sector with "separate but equal" classifications for just about every legal situation that might arise.

That's where I take issue. If you want to believe in a spiritual or religious ideal, that's fine. Don't punish the other 15% because they don't share the same views as you. Acceptance and tolerance are all that are being asked for - all the gay community wants is to be treated like everyone else and not made to feel like the outcasts in a nation that they call home.

It's not too much to ask.[/quote]

Look, I'm not going to get into the debate about whether being gay is a choice or not, that's another argument for another thread for another day. I don't see how people expressing religious opinions is any worse then people expressing their beliefs on homosexuality. That's the most ironic thing about this whole debate, those who claim that people who disagree with gay marriage are intolerant bigots are themselves intolerant bigots.
 
[quote name='Mr. 420']Lilboo you are disgusting and I know you will rot in hell.[/quote]

It's like hate crime legislation. I hit a minority, then it's a hate crime. A minority hits me and it's barely a crime! ;)
 
[quote name='BigT']It's like hate crime legislation. I hit a minority, then it's a hate crime. A minority hits me and it's barely a crime! ;)[/QUOTE]

Yeah! Right on brother!

Why can't WE say the N word? Black people can do it! Why can't we? That's bullshit!

Gimme a white male high five!
 
[quote name='spmahn']Look, I'm not going to get into the debate about whether being gay is a choice or not, that's another argument for another thread for another day. I don't see how people expressing religious opinions is any worse then people expressing their beliefs on homosexuality. That's the most ironic thing about this whole debate, those who claim that people who disagree with gay marriage are intolerant bigots are themselves intolerant bigots.[/QUOTE]
It's because religion is a choice, and homosexuality is not. People who disagree with gay marriage do so 90% of the time based on religion and without any actual substance. It's the same religious rhetoric over and over (the Bible says it's wrong). The Bible might say it's wrong, but it's a book written to persuade people into following a religion. It's not fact, it's opinion.

I want facts. I want reasons. I don't want to know what your book tells you to think.
 
[quote name='BigT']It's like hate crime legislation. I hit a minority, then it's a hate crime. A minority hits me and it's barely a crime! ;)[/quote]

fuck you you little bitch. There wouldn't be a need for things such as that if bigots like you were never born. To me it sounds like your advocating direct action violence towards anyone that is not straight
 
[quote name='nintendokid']Some of you have no respect for the Founding Fathers and it's even more sickening when it's white-European American folks who are advocating gay marriage, abortion, and redistribution of wealth!!![/quote]



Wow, you are quite precious you know that. You know nothing about our founding fathers, they were Deists for the most part. Also marriage has nothing to do with government and they should keep their nose out of it. Finally it appears you are advocating that its only non-whites that care about gay marriage, abortion, and redistribution of wealth. Which pretty much means besides being intolerant you are a racist congrats. Have fun at your next Klan meeting or are you in one of those cool Militias.
 
[quote name='JJSP']It's because religion is a choice, and homosexuality is not.[/quote]I disagree completely. As far as I'm concerned religion is not a choice (though the expression of it generally is), and whether or not homosexuality is a choice is a red herring.
 
Where are the facts that homosexuality is not a choice? As far as I'm concerned Lilboob chooses to be gay.
 
[quote name='nintendokid']So just because I have a strong affinity towards keeping traditions and religions alive, I'm automatically Christian full of bigotry? I am willing to bet all my games that you cannot guess my affiliation...because I am not Christian! My family's religion is animism, an ancient pagan religion. I love the values that Christians instill in their children and I recognize that America is such a great country because it has held on to its traditions. Some of you have no respect for the Founding Fathers and it's even more sickening when it's white-European American folks who are advocating gay marriage, abortion, and redistribution of wealth!!![/quote]

Uh, the founding fathers were strongly against religion in politics... and that's all the proposition is.
 
[quote name='The Crotch']I disagree completely. As far as I'm concerned religion is not a choice (though the expression of it generally is), and whether or not homosexuality is a choice is a red herring.[/quote]

Religion IS a choice. You always have the option at hand to look into another faith (or none at all) and to pursue it.
 
[quote name='Mr. 420']Where are the facts that homosexuality is not a choice? As far as I'm concerned Lilboob chooses to be gay.[/quote]
I don't really think I should honour this post with a reply but:
Where are the facts that homosexuality IS a choice?
 
[quote name='JJSP']It's because religion is a choice, and homosexuality is not. People who disagree with gay marriage do so 90% of the time based on religion and without any actual substance. It's the same religious rhetoric over and over (the Bible says it's wrong). The Bible might say it's wrong, but it's a book written to persuade people into following a religion. It's not fact, it's opinion.

I want facts. I want reasons. I don't want to know what your book tells you to think.[/quote]

Again, the homosexuality choice argument is a circular one that will never be resolved, both sides of the debate have their agenda to push. Just reading through this thread it seems readily apparent to me that 90% of the time people who are for gay marriage do so based on ad hominem attacks without any actual substance, and by trying to toss in red herrings like civil rights.
 
[quote name='Mr. 420']Where are the facts that homosexuality is not a choice? As far as I'm concerned Lilboob chooses to be gay.[/QUOTE]

So, lemme guess. You recently saw one of your fellow male classmates' cock in the locker room and it's been on your minds for weeks. Weeks.

Keep strugglin with that ;)
Lemme know when you finally come out.
 
[quote name='Mr. 420']Where are the facts that homosexuality is not a choice? As far as I'm concerned Lilboob chooses to be gay.[/quote]
Think about it. Why would someone choose to live a life homosexuality) where they will be subjected to a life of hate, ridicule, resentment, and discrimination?
 
[quote name='SynGamer']Think about it. Why would someone choose to live a life homosexuality) where they will be subjected to a life of hate, ridicule, resentment, and discrimination?[/quote]

ding ding ding ding ding!
 
[quote name='The Crotch']I disagree completely. As far as I'm concerned religion is not a choice (though the expression of it generally is), and whether or not homosexuality is a choice is a red herring.[/QUOTE]
Religion is something that you're typically conditioned to believe in, whether from your family or society. In the end, though, you've got a choice in which one (if any) to follow and believe in.

If I chose to follow one that advocated punching babies in the face, we'd all agree that I was out of my gourd and needed to get a reality check. I could kick and scream all I wanted though because my religion told me that punching babies was the way to go and the right thing to do. If we had a big enough following, we could probably even pass a law that says that we had a right to punch babies daily because our religion told us it was cool.

You'd still call me a fucking moron. Just because religion says it's right doesn't mean it is.
 
[quote name='spmahn']and by trying to toss in red herrings like civil rights.[/quote]

Red herrings like civil rights? Clearly you don't know the actual definition of the term red herring.

This argument is PRECISELY ABOUT CIVIL RIGHTS. It's not a fucking red herring, asshole, it's the exact point of the discussion. fuck, I'm starting to get annoyed.
 
[quote name='SynGamer']Think about it. Why would someone choose to live a life homosexuality) where they will be subjected to a life of hate, ridicule, resentment, and discrimination?[/quote]
This x1000000000

SynGamer=infinite wisdom
 
[quote name='SynGamer']Think about it. Why would someone choose to live a life homosexuality) where they will be subjected to a life of hate, ridicule, resentment, and discrimination?[/QUOTE]

Those assless leather chaps are just too cool
 
[quote name='SynGamer']Religion IS a choice. You always have the option at hand to look into another faith (or none at all) and to pursue it.[/quote]The option to look into? Yes. Pursue, even? Yes. Believe? Negatory. If all that there is to being a Catholic is going through the motions without actually believing - and I swear I'm not trying to summon the ghost of Daroga here - then... well, then that's pretty damn fucked up.

EDIT:[quote name='Sporadic']Those assless leather chaps are just too cool[/quote]
I'd just like to clear up a misconception: there is no such thing as "assless chaps". All chaps are, by definition, assless.
 
Ya... I don't think being gay is a choice, cause I for damn sure could not choose to go bang a dude right now.

And if your argument that being gay is a choice, than by association being straight is also a choice; so lets ban straight marriage also.
 
[quote name='SynGamer']Think about it. Why would someone choose to live a life homosexuality) where they will be subjected to a life of hate, ridicule, resentment, and discrimination?[/quote]

A. People do a lot of crazy things. If I were to try and rationalize why some people do the things they do, my head would explode. Why do people commit crime? Why do people do drugs? Why do people join Scientology?

B. Some people are just desperate for attention, and will go through any length to get that attention whether it be positive or negative.
 
[quote name='Synergy']Red herrings like civil rights? Clearly you don't know the actual definition of the term red herring.

This argument is PRECISELY ABOUT CIVIL RIGHTS. It's not a fucking red herring, asshole, it's the exact point of the discussion. fuck, I'm starting to get annoyed.[/quote]

Gay marriage is not the same fucking thing as people in Alabama getting hosed for trying to vote or getting beaten and lynched for looking at a white woman. If you really think that the two are even closely related you need to get your head examined.
 
[quote name='JJSP']It's because religion is a choice, and homosexuality is not. People who disagree with gay marriage do so 90% of the time based on religion and without any actual substance. It's the same religious rhetoric over and over (the Bible says it's wrong). The Bible might say it's wrong, but it's a book written to persuade people into following a religion. It's not fact, it's opinion.

I want facts. I want reasons. I don't want to know what your book tells you to think.[/quote]

I've never read the bible so I'm not actually sure what the book says about gay and gay marriage. But who are you to judge and say that these people's values have no substance and justify your own thoughts as full of substance? Who are you to say you are right? The bible wasn't written last year. It's been passed down generations, thousands of years. So what if bad shit happened along the way thanks to religion. Forget the holy wars, forget the Crusades, forget the conspiracies. Every time a country is war torn or someone needs help, I always see people with a bible and a cross ready to help. I ain't never seen people with science and mathematics book running to help others that are getting bombed the shit out of.
 
[quote name='lilboo']:rofl: So now gays want to get married...for attention? Priceless.[/quote]


I thought all gay people were attention whores... why else do they act so......gay?
 
[quote name='The Crotch']The option to look into? Yes. Pursue, even? Yes. Believe? Negatory. If all that there is to being a Catholic is going through the motions without actually believing - and I swear I'm not trying to summon the ghost of Daroga here - then... well, then that's pretty damn fucked up.

EDIT: I'd just like to clear up a misconception: there is no such thing as "assless chaps". All chaps are, by definition, assless.[/quote]
I was born, baptized, and raised Catholic. Went as far as to be confirmed in the Catholic church. I went to a catholic school and my family goes to church every Sunday. After getting confirmed i began to question my faith and came to the conclusion that i don't agree with the bullshit that is 'religion'. I classify myself as agnostic. My family knows this and are ok with this. They don't ridicule or resent me, they accept me for who i am...i believe that's called choice.
 
[quote name='spmahn']Gay marriage is not the same fucking thing as people in Alabama getting hosed for trying to vote or getting beaten and lynched for looking at a white woman. If you really think that the two are even closely related you need to get your head examined.[/QUOTE]

:whistle2:s

You first.
 
[quote name='spmahn']A. People do a lot of crazy things. If I were to try and rationalize why some people do the things they do, my head would explode. Why do people commit crime? Why do people do drugs? Why do people join Scientology?

B. Some people are just desperate for attention, and will go through any length to get that attention whether it be positive or negative.[/quote]

A. Being gay is not a "crazy" thing on par with committing crimes, doing drugs, and being a scientologist. It's not like I got drunk one night and decided to eat pussy for the rest of my life. It's who you are, plain and simple. A person shouldn't be fucking penalized for it.

B. No, no, those sluts on the girls gone wild busses are desperate for attention. This is about discrimination based on an important part of a person's identity. Do you honestly think gay people enjoy the ridicule, stress, etc. associated with being gay, even in 2008? That's just absurd.
 
[quote name='spmahn']A. People do a lot of crazy things. If I were to try and rationalize why some people do the things they do, my head would explode. Why do people commit crime? Why do people do drugs? Why do people join Scientology?

B. Some people are just desperate for attention, and will go through any length to get that attention whether it be positive or negative.[/quote]

Hmm... so are you saying, maybe one day, when you feel like no one is paying attention to you. You are going to corn hole a dude?
 
Eh, I think when it comes down to it.. the people who are SO against it w/ no valid reasoning will end up with a gay kid. I want to say "I hope so", because I fear for that kid..but at the same time, it's something that these people might need to wake up. It's easy to hate on something that has no real concern with you..however, if your son and/daughter were denied something you'd be pissed.
 
Ugh, checked CNN and they got it 54-46 YES with 19% reporting. What the fuck is wrong with people? I'm going to bed. I hope for lilboo's and everyone who's not a fucktard's sake they've just been counting conservative counties and the tide turns when all the votes are counted. I hope I see a NO in the morning.
 
[quote name='SynGamer']I was born, baptized, and raised Catholic. Went as far as to be confirmed in the Catholic church. I went to a catholic school and my family goes to church every Sunday. After getting confirmed i began to question my faith and came to the conclusion that i don't agree with the bullshit that is 'religion'.[/quote]
Cuttin' ya off right there. Did you choose that conclusion? You chose to pursue the questions that you had, yes, but did you choose the answers? If you wanted to, could you... um... choose... your way back?

If you answer yes to that, then this mini-discussion is over, 'cause our brains apparently work in two very, very different ways.
 
[quote name='Synergy']A. Being gay is not a "crazy" thing on par with committing crimes, doing drugs, and being a scientologist. It's not like I got drunk one night and decided to eat pussy for the rest of my life. It's who you are, plain and simple. A person shouldn't be fucking penalized for it.

B. No, no, those sluts on the girls gone wild busses are desperate for attention. This is about discrimination based on an important part of a person's identity. Do you honestly think gay people enjoy the ridicule, stress, etc. associated with being gay, even in 2008? That's just absurd.[/quote]

Again, opinions. What makes your opinions any more valid then my opinions? I never sadi that all gay people choose to be that way just to gain attention. The question was asked why someone would choose to do something despite the potential of being ridiculed by society, and I came up with a logical response.
 
I think we should ship all gay people off the country. Like send 'em to American Samoa or some other island we don't give a fuck about.

Who's with me?
 
Man. It would almost be worth the tempbanning to post up some gay porn in here right now, where it would be sure to do massive damage.
 
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