PS3 scheduled for $100 price drop to $499.99 after E3?

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[quote name='Dr Mario Kart']last gen tech at a last gen price. LESS tech for the value than PS3, I'm sure we can all agree.

Wiimote doesnt sell anything. Its the software[/QUOTE]
:rofl:

Isn't that the EXACT OPPOSITE? It would probably be selling as well as the GC if it wasn't for the Wiimote. Wiimote is what's attracting people.
 
What I'm saying is, Wii Sports is designed well around the hardware. That is to say, its a solid game. If it was a crappy game, then the remote fails to sell it.

I didnt even bring up the damn Wii!
 
[quote name='Dr Mario Kart']What I'm saying is, Wii Sports is designed well around the hardware. That is to say, its a solid game. If it was a crappy game, then the remote fails to sell it.

I didnt even bring up the damn Wii![/QUOTE]
You're wrong and no one agrees with you.
 
I was taking about the value of the system itself. Ps3 side by side to a 360, i think the 360 looks like a scam. For $100 more i get a lot more
 
I'd love to get a 20gb model for 400 if that were at all possible. But this is good news, I'll now get a PS3 17% faster than "someday".
 
[quote name='zewone']You're wrong and no one agrees with you.[/quote]
Just curious which part is wrong:
a) Wii Sports is designed well around the hardware.
b) If it was a crappy game, then the remote fails to sell it.

Even if its wrong, I dont see it as a wild stretch of the imagination.
 
[quote name='Dr Mario Kart']If it was a crappy game, then the remote fails to sell it.[/quote]
How many copies did Mario Party 8 sell?

I can see what you're trying to say, but the fact of the matter is people aren't buying the Wii for the games. Its library is no better than the PS3's at the moment.
 
[quote name='Dr Mario Kart']Just curious which part is wrong:
a) Wii Sports is designed well around the hardware.
b) If it was a crappy game, then the remote fails to sell it.

Even if its wrong, I dont see it as a wild stretch of the imagination.[/quote]

That part is wrong.
The WiiMote works miracles.
 
Hmmmm... Normally even $500 wouldn't mean much to me. But I do have a surplus of Gamecrazy credit after the 50% trade-in deal. I'd be very tempted to get one. Thing is, there isn't a SINGLE game that interests me right now. R&C later this year, maybe... Perhaps for the Blu-Ray. I'll have to ponder this for a bit :lol:. But at least that's more than I was thiking about it before, so Sony has my attention at the very least.

And I disagree with the PS3 library >= Wii library meme entirely. The PS3 doesn't have Zelda, SPM, WarioWare, Elebits, Sonic (a good one), etc... I can't think of a single PS3 game I'd buy for even $20 now that isn't also on the 360. If Lair gets killer rewiews I may want to get one though...
 
I'm not directly aware of how good Mario Party 8 is.

The library doesnt need to be better than the PS3s at the current time. It just needs to be good enough to justify half the entry price.

The real issue should be the 360. Similar software on many counts, cheaper system
 
[quote name='buttasuperb']Now they just have to release a good game or 2.[/quote]

They need way more than just one or two. I'm still hesitant until I see it drop another 100-150 and only if it gets better games by then. The only one I'm currently interested is Resistance and with their crappy online service...ugh :roll:
 
[quote name='Rei no Otaku']How many copies did Mario Party 8 sell?

I can see what you're trying to say, but the fact of the matter is people aren't buying the Wii for the games. Its library is no better than the PS3's at the moment.[/QUOTE]

That's why I was making the point that if you go by gamerankings, the top 10 PS3 games have a higher average.
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']They need way more than just one or two. I'm still hesitant until I see it drop another 100-150 and only if it gets better games by then. The only one I'm currently interested is Resistance and with their crappy online service...ugh :roll:[/QUOTE]

If you mean crappy as in lag, resistance runs on dedicated servers. I've never gotten an ounce of lag on resistance.

If you mean crappy as in the features are much much better on live...well, then I agree with you ;)
 
[quote name='seanr1221']If you mean crappy as in lag, resistance runs on dedicated servers. I've never gotten an ounce of lag on resistance.

If you mean crappy as in the features are much much better on live...well, then I agree with you ;)[/quote]

Yes...I mean the latter.
 
[quote name='dallow']At least they have your attention IO! ;)[/QUOTE]

Well, exactly, and I suppose that would be the point of the drop (I'm assuming many others would be in the same position as me - 360 and/or Wii owners intrigued by a cheap Blu-Ray player than may also, in the distant future, have a decent game library ;)).
 
This would be great news and hopefully it will mean another price drop sometime on 2008 ($50 more?) when I will consider buying one. I think I'm going to pick up a 50" 1080p plasma TV before or with the PS3 but I refuse to spend over $3k so it might be a while...
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']Yes...I mean the latter.[/QUOTE]

The biggest problem by far is not being able to access your messages without returning to the dashboard. This is a simple little feature that I hope Sony fixes asap.
 
[quote name='dallow']At least they have your attention IO! ;)[/quote]They have my attention to, thanks to fucking CAG. If the PS3 was announced at $500, I'd have no interest, but now that it's a price drop to $500, I'm like "hmmm..." But I think I can wait until at least one game screams "Buy me!" Which will hopefully be after another price drop or two. FFXIII would do it, but I haven't played an FF since VII, so its pull on me has passed, at least until I get around to X and XII one of these days.

If the free movies offer had a nicer selection, it would actually be a deal, instead it's just the "added value," where I get more for my money, but not really save any money. Couple that with the resale value of my PS2, and things would look mighty tempting.
 
[quote name='javeryh']This would be great news and hopefully it will mean another price drop sometime on 2008 ($50 more?) when I will consider buying one. I think I'm going to pick up a 50" 1080p plasma TV before or with the PS3 but I refuse to spend over $3k so it might be a while...[/QUOTE]

Yes, this is the other issue with me.

Dallow, or some other PS3 owner, can you fill us in on the upscaling issues at this point? I thought I heard they fixed that, but still with a lot of games (like Oblivion for example) it still won't scale to 1080i-only sets, right? Are all newer games supporting 1080i? This is just so easy on the 360 (I set it at 1080i the first time I ever turned it on and haven't thought about it since then) that I dread having to pick and choose games based on what resolutions they support. That was the main reason I passed on a launch PS3 and since then I have just gotten used to living without it (and jumped to the dark side with MS in the mean time for my HD gaming).
 
Exciting for a couple minutes. Still, no games at the moment to interest me. My PS2 seems to be on the fritz but I have plenty on my DS and older systems to hold me off untill this drops further and more there's more game selection.

I have about $170 in Sony points from my Sony credit card so it would make this a $330 purchase but I'll still wait.

Though it is great they're dropping it 8 months after release. Hopefully this makes the 360 cheaper so more of my friends get one.
 
Now that the price is coming down I'm really interested to hear if Sony says anything about rumble at E3. Either way $499 with the 5 free movies is a much better value.
 
[quote name='io']Yes, this is the other issue with me.

Dallow, or some other PS3 owner, can you fill us in on the upscaling issues at this point? I thought I heard they fixed that, but still with a lot of games (like Oblivion for example) it still won't scale to 1080i-only sets, right? Are all newer games supporting 1080i? This is just so easy on the 360 (I set it at 1080i the first time I ever turned it on and haven't thought about it since then) that I dread having to pick and choose games based on what resolutions they support. That was the main reason I passed on a launch PS3 and since then I have just gotten used to living without it (and jumped to the dark side with MS in the mean time for my HD gaming).[/QUOTE]


Most games now support both 720p and 1080i. I enable all the options, and then the tv scales depending on what it is. For example, Ninja Gaiden and Resistance automatically go to 720p.

However, some of the older games only play in 720p (such as resistance). In those cases, if your tv can't support it, you're SOL, which sucks.
 
[quote name='seanr1221']Most games now support both 720p and 1080i. I enable all the options, and then the tv scales depending on what it is. For example, Ninja Gaiden and Resistance automatically go to 720p.

However, some of the older games only play in 720p (such as resistance). In those cases, if your tv can't support it, you're SOL, which sucks.[/QUOTE]

Yep, it says in the manual for my SONY TV that it has the very helpful feature of scaling 720p signals to 480p for my viewing pleasure.
 
[quote name='io']Yes, this is the other issue with me.

Dallow, or some other PS3 owner, can you fill us in on the upscaling issues at this point? I thought I heard they fixed that, but still with a lot of games (like Oblivion for example) it still won't scale to 1080i-only sets, right? Are all newer games supporting 1080i? This is just so easy on the 360 (I set it at 1080i the first time I ever turned it on and haven't thought about it since then) that I dread having to pick and choose games based on what resolutions they support. That was the main reason I passed on a launch PS3 and since then I have just gotten used to living without it (and jumped to the dark side with MS in the mean time for my HD gaming).[/quote]

io - this is my exact reasoning for not jumping on a PS3 right now. I don't want to have to pick and choose which games to play because I "only" have a 1080i TV which works beautifully for my 360. I thought I wouldn't be buying a 1080p set for a long long time but as the prices keep dropping I keep thinking I'll crack at some point - plus a 1080p picture is truly stunning and noticably better than any other setup. Transformers on Blu-ray in 1080p = :drool:
 
Those games that originally came out with the system that did not support 1080 will NOT upscale sadly.

Every new game now has the ability to upscale to 1080 for you 480/1080 folks.

It's not that much picking and choosing, it's only a few launch games, (and couple others). Most, except for Resistance and Oblivion (which is on 360) are forgettable anyway.

I played through half of Resistance in 480i. It doesn't look bad folks.
 
OK, I can live without Resistance and get Oblivion on the 360. I'm still considering it then... I'd upgrade my TV but I don't really see the need to right now. The funny thing is that my main reason for holding off would simply be I have no idea what to do with the 51" rear-projection behemoth I have right now. I'd hate to have to break it down into little pieces with a sledgehammer to get rid of it ;). It's easier just to keep it for now and wait for the 1080p sets to improve that much more and get even cheaper. But because I have GC credit to burn I could see getting the PS3 - so as long as any new games are good to go in 1080i that will be cool. I may have to splurge on a nice HDMI receiver though (since I also have a 360 Elite) - any suggestions? My Sony HDTV has a DVI input so I can use that for now with the receiver.

(And I'm kidding on the old TV - I'd probably end up giving it to my brother-in-law but then there is the hassle of having to help him haul it to his house).
 
[quote name='seanr1221']The biggest problem by far is not being able to access your messages without returning to the dashboard. This is a simple little feature that I hope Sony fixes asap.[/quote]

Latest firmware rumour says E3 announces 2.0 with in game xmb access to the music and friendslist. There was a video of ign demonstrating.
 
How much are you looking to spend on the HDMI receiver?
I know of a few good entry level ones that are not "pass-through HDMI" (which means they pass video only, not sound)

They're much cheaper now compared to 6 months ago.
 
[quote name='Dr Mario Kart']I dont know what was unclear about that. I'm saying what matters are the games that you are offering versus the games the competitors are offering. The technology is a non-factor in this.[/QUOTE]


well, recognize that you're arguing a different point than I was making. I said, which is an objective fact despite what you personally want and don't want in a system, that you get a lot of great technology for the system. add it up. some say the DVD upscaling alone rivals some super high end players.

you mentioned something about games compared to competitors, which puts us in subjective argument land, which is a complete mess usually. then sales, which is an obvious fact to every who keeps up with games news in the slightest. or anyone who has tried to buy a Wii. not sure how that would nullify my point about tech...since I'm talking about what you physically get when you buy something...you're talking about the market.

and yes, the Wii sells great because of the Wii mote. All these games were done before (aside from Wii sports) and they didn't ignite a craze over a nintendo system, causing it to be out of stock for almost 9 months.
 
That's the right amount to drop the price by. At the very least, people really have to consider whether a 360 or a PS3 is the better choice, so it makes things a lot more competitive.
 
[quote name='dallow']How much are you looking to spend on the HDMI receiver?
I know of a few good entry level ones that are not "pass-through HDMI" (which means they pass video only, not sound)

They're much cheaper now compared to 6 months ago.[/QUOTE]

I was looking at some at Best Buy that were around $400-$500. And I'd wait until I got one of those 12% Reward Zone coupons of course (but those seem to come once a month or so). The receiver doesn't need to pass audio through, but it would be nice for any new TV (sometimes the TV sound is fine, especially when the kids are playing). But it would be nice to get my 360 and PS3 set up with the surround sound. Right now I just have my 360 hooked up via component and the TV sound. I have an old receiver that can handle the optical but I've just been too lazy to hook that up ;). I do have a nice component switcher which has been great as I have a PS2, GC, Wii, 360, and a DVD recorder all hooked up via that to just one of the inputs on my TV.

So ideally I'd want a receiver that would handle multiple HDMI, multiple component, optical audio, etc... Though I may just stick with the component switcher anyway as it is convenient (and means not firing up some 600W receiver just to play the GC :lol:).
 
[quote name='jer7583']Still too expensive. See you at $300, PS3.[/QUOTE]PS3 is definitely worth more than you paid for your 360, that's for sure (very high quality hardware that doesn't break).
 
This has caught my attention. With the possibility of Metal Gear Solid 4 coming out in this year and the fact I have a birthday coming up I just might be tempted to go buy a PS3 soon if this proves to be true...
 
I'm so excited, I'm going to buy 3 more PS3s and put them on top of each other, and hope baby PS3s come out.
 
Can you guys put your dicks away and actually talk about the deal at hand? Who gives a shit if you're a Nintendo fan boy, go to that thread and argue there morons.

Having said that, is there any place running any sort of sale promotion? I know last month BB had 10% coupons in the mail and CC sometimes has $40 off $X00 +
 
[quote name='The Mana Knight']PS3 is definitely worth more than you paid for your 360, that's for sure (very high quality hardware that doesn't break).[/quote]

:roll:

Not everyone is having the bad luck that the press is shelling out. Its obvious that people with problems will complain and that word of mouth gets out more and more. MS has rectified the situation by extending their warranty to 3 years, and I'm sure that they are working on the issues as we speak. I've had one since launch day, no problems what so ever, I've enjoyed this system more than any other system I ever owned.
 
$499 won't be a tremendous boost to the PS3. PS3's weren't exactly flying off the shelves when there was a 20gb model - the fact that the 20gb sold relatively poorly is why it was dropped in the first place.
 
Of course. I got my system just before Christmas and the only "deal" was the Talladega Nights pack-in. Now you can get $100 off and 5 free Bluray movies!
 
[quote name='The Mana Knight']PS3 is definitely worth more than you paid for your 360, that's for sure (very high quality hardware that doesn't break).[/QUOTE]

It's been what? 9 months since launch? For not crapping out in under a year, I wouldn't go lauding the PS3's build quality. Then again, I've heard more first hand about broken PS2s back in the day (including mine, fuckin' DREs) than I have heard first hand about broken 360s.
 
[quote name='javeryh']This would be great news and hopefully it will mean another price drop sometime on 2008 ($50 more?) when I will consider buying one. I think I'm going to pick up a 50" 1080p plasma TV before or with the PS3 but I refuse to spend over $3k so it might be a while...[/quote]

The price drop is a done deal and excellent news! But yeah, I'm committed to buying a new 1080p TV before I plunk down on a PS3, too. From what I've read, LCDs are supposed to hit another general price decrease by December, so I'll be waiting a while longer before all that comes together.

Even if LCD prices don't drop by December, I figure I can still wait into the first part of 2008, when the next revision of Bravia V-series hits the market before my need for a new TV completely overwhelms me.

Edit: Oh yeah, thanks Kayden--I forgot about BB reward zone discounts and CC x off of x spent, so that may also factor in if I can wait for PS3 or not...
 
Sony must have been planing this for some time now. I am guessing the reason they discontinued the 20GB PS3 weren't for the BS reason of "they weren't selling", they discontinued it because their is no way they could take a loss by selling a $400 20GB PS3.

This makes MS look bad, since their system has been out 21 months and still haven't had a price drop. $100 Xbox price drop now?
 
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