Reduced Price Game Guides: Thread Seven

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Be careful about stashing merchandise in other merchandise ( I know "here he goes again"). The reason I bring it up is that it's one of the primary methods of shoplifting. Not that anyone would steal a $15 guide by buying an $800 stove, lol. I was friends with an older fellow who worked security for a local retailer, and he would tell stories of all the attempted shoplifting scams at the store, many of which included the hiding-merchandise-in-other-merchandise game. And if a retail manager sees someone stashing stuff in other stuff, that will be the first thing to cross his mind. So, just some friendly advice...be careful.
 
[quote name='guinaevere']I always wondered where you guys put them when you said about the big appliances. Personally, I'm surprized that they last in the washing machines. I mean, when I look at appliances (fridges, ovens, dish washers, washing machines, dryers... am I forgetting anything?) the first thing I do is open the door and look inside. If I found a bunch of crap in there, I'd take it out and set it on a counter or something.
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Nobody buys appliances at my Best Buy.

Nobody.

I don't think my BB's appliance section has any associates either. That area's relegated to stashing penny guides and babysitting hyperactive kids in a mid-sized maze.
 
[quote name='Richard Longfellow']Be careful about stashing merchandise in other merchandise ( I know "here he goes again"). The reason I bring it up is that it's one of the primary methods of shoplifting. Not that anyone would steal a $15 guide by buying an $800 stove, lol. I was friends with an older fellow who worked security for a local retailer, and he would tell stories of all the attempted shoplifting scams at the store, many of which included the hiding-merchandise-in-other-merchandise game. And if a retail manager sees someone stashing stuff in other stuff, that will be the first thing to cross his mind. So, just some friendly advice...be careful.[/QUOTE]


Good point, and I don't know how well the "I wasn't trying to steal them, I just don't want to pay full price and am hiding them until I can buy them for a penny. I'll buy them, but, ya know, for almost free?" will go towards sounding any different to some of the managers...
 
I scored GOW 2 guide for $0.01 w/o the sticker price. With the Sticker price is $17. If you dare you can peel off the sticker price and is your for $0.01 :)
 
[quote name='Masterkyo']I scored GOW 2 guide for $0.01 w/o the sticker price. With the Sticker price is $17. If you dare you can peel off the sticker price and is your for $0.01 :)[/quote]

And now CAG ethics come into play...
 
Went to BB today and found 3 copies of the GoW2 guide. The first 2 had the sticker on the outside of the shrink-wrap, so all I had to do was removed it. The other was a bit trickier as the sticker was under the shrink-wrap. Lucky for me the cashier rang up one of the sticker less guide twice so I got all 3 copies for 3 cent.
 
I might try to grab some old guides from the last drop next week.

I love how the last time I went, this lady wouldn't let me buy them. Why? "The computer rings things up as $0.01 sometimes."

She had no idea why it was ringing up as a cent... I'll go to a different cashier.
 
[quote name='Caliburn']And now CAG ethics come into play...[/quote] What are these...ethics...you speak of?

I may have to look for the GoW2 guides tomorrow...
 
Dont know if this has been mentioned in this thread, but Gamestop marked down the Shadow Hearts: From the New World Prima guides to $10. Seems like a big, complete guide if you need one for the game. I never got into the Shadow Hearts world, but some people really like the series.
 
[quote name='Caliburn']I don't think my BB's appliance section has any associates either. That area's relegated to babysitting penny guides and stashing hyperactive kids in a mid-sized freezer.[/quote]Fixed.

[quote name='eugaet']What are these...ethics...you speak of?
[/quote] :eye twitches:
Tampering with prices isn't just unethical, it's illegal. Something we don't do here at CAG, because the CAG sponsors aren't terribly fond of people ripping them off. Don't do it. Don't write about it. And I won't have to report to Shrike the enforcer of all things eh... enforcable.


Hiding items is an ethical matter which (while it cheats the store directly from being able to sell that product at full price) is still (so far as I know) permitted to be discussed. But not here. In the shopping ethics thread.
 
[quote name='62t']Went to BB today and found 3 copies of the GoW2 guide. The first 2 had the sticker on the outside of the shrink-wrap, so all I had to do was removed it. The other was a bit trickier as the sticker was under the shrink-wrap. Lucky for me the cashier rang up one of the sticker less guide twice so I got all 3 copies for 3 cent.[/quote]

And you're going to let a fellow CAG(coughcoughMEcoughcough) grab one for shipping plus maybe a buck since I really want it but don't have a brass set anymore to do something so tantamount to getting the guides for the price they're REALLY worth(since the advent of the net).

I actually thought about it, but my local BB's have at least 2 people on in Media anymore, so I felt like I was being watched all the time. :whistle2:X Otherwise........I'm not beyond the ol' WalMart no receipt return vein of things.

Anything to get the best price/value.......:p
 
[quote name='eugaet']What are these...ethics...you speak of?[/quote] [quote name='guinaevere']:eye twitches: Tampering with prices isn't just unethical, it's illegal.[/quote] I realize that, I was being sarcastic. I should probably choose my words with more care...I don't want to give anyone the idea that I condone such activities.

I never tamper with stuff, I don't think my conscience could deal with it. A deal is never worth it if it causes me or others undue stress.
 
ooooooo My post disappeared. I guess I said something naughty, huh? Oh well....

While it is unethical, I wouldn't do it, but I also wouldn't hesitate if there were an opened copy to take it up and get it for .01.
 
Personally, I don't agree with the shit policies of some of the CAG advertisers, like CC for example. When you lay off X number of employees, then tell them they can come back for much less an hour, that's bs imo. Those people worked hard and for many years for that company, only to get laid off and told they could come back for much less? I bet the idiot at the top who thought of that cost saving idea received a fat bonus the same day those people lost their jobs.

GS/EB........well, I think everyone knows my opinion on that monstrosity of a company already.

Either way, if I see the aforementioned guide already opened sans new UPCs, I'll take it to the register. But, I don't have a big enough set anymore to be the one to open said item.

Oh and Guin, snitching on people isn't a very nice policy to have either.
 
[quote name='IAmTheCheapestGamer']Oh and Guin, snitching on people isn't a very nice policy to have either.[/quote]

If someone is posting things on the site that they shouldn't be, then making sure that doesn't happen anymore isn't "snitching", it's maintaining the integrity of this site, this site which allows everyone to continue to find great deals on all kinds of items. Guin would just be doing what needs to be done.

(I love commas.)
 
[quote name='IAmTheCheapestGamer']

Oh and Guin, snitching on people isn't a very nice policy to have either.[/quote]

Yeah when said actions can bring down legal trouble i'm all for snitching. I mean we don't care what you do, just dont bring it here.
 
[quote name='Brian9824']Yeah when said actions can bring down legal trouble i'm all for snitching. I mean we don't care what you do, just dont bring it here.[/quote]

Only problem with that is, snitches aren't very well liked people. The term, 'snitches get stitches' explains alot. It also explains the US gov'ts own Witness Protection Program, since those who do the snitching usually become very wanted by those they have snitched on. And, not for a good reason. I'm a very loyal person, who wouldn't snitch if he saw something illegal going on at any employer of mine, as long as it wouldn't affect me personally anyway. Otherwise, they might get an 'anonymous tip', but I would never publicly come out and rat out someone no matter what they were doing wrong.

But again, I won't do it myself, but I kind of laugh at how everyone gets uptight when anything about(the 'fraud') it might be mentioned.
 
[quote name='IAmTheCheapestGamer']
Oh and Guin, snitching on people isn't a very nice policy to have either.[/QUOTE]

Just because you don't have any moral fiber doesn't mean you have to call Gwen a snitch. She is one of the most respected users on this site, and I'm sure that 99.9% of the users on this site would support her over the likes of you any day. And, like Neo and Brian wrote, nobody is trying to govern what you do in your day-to-day activities, but don't try and bring it on this site.
 
[quote name='Ubiiquitous']Just because you don't have any moral fiber doesn't mean you have to call Gwen a snitch. She is one of the most respected users on this site, and I'm sure that 99.9% of the users on this site would support her over the likes of you any day. And, like Neo and Brian wrote, nobody is trying to govern what you do in your day-to-day activities, but don't try and bring it on this site.[/quote]

Last time I checked, I still had freedom of speech and expression, correct? I just think it's ridiculous of people to 'report' others for comments. It shows that they don't have anything ELSE better to do with their time than 'tell on' people. We aren't in 4th grade here anymore people, the teacher isn't going to give you a gold star for telling him/her what Johnny did.

And personally, I wasn't the one who said they DID these things, but I noticed the post that someone else posted saying they did disappeared too. Please, let's not turn this into a flame war, but I still cling to my freedoms under the US Constitution.

Oh and way to go, accusing me of doing these things when I haven't.

[quote name='neocisco']If someone is posting things on the site that they shouldn't be, then making sure that doesn't happen anymore isn't "snitching", it's maintaining the integrity of this site, this site which allows everyone to continue to find great deals on all kinds of items. Guin would just be doing what needs to be done.

(I love commas.)[/quote]

Integrity of this site? When people who work for many of these stores are giving out sale and glitch info which can help defraud those stores in ANOTHER way? Selective sight is kind of prevalent on this site, I see, as is hypocrisy. You guys think that people giving out lists of guides which will be pennied soon is ok, but taking off the plastic of one guide to get it for .01 is evil and fraud.
 
[quote name='IAmTheCheapestGamer']...[/quote]Whatever, if you don't like how things are done here don't visit the site anymore instead of bitching.
 
[quote name='IAmTheCheapestGamer']Last time I checked, I still had freedom of speech and expression, correct?[/QUOTE]

My point is that there are rules to this site, so hiding behind the 1st amendment is moot, because if the rules are broken, then the post is deleted, at the very least. That's all Gwen was trying to say, I believe. Not necessarily you, per se, but anyone who comes on and suggests illegal activites should have their post deleted, at the very least.

The 1st Amendment has nothing to do with anything, since there are rules to the site. I mean, if I came to your house and started yelling and screaming at you, and you told me to leave could I say "I don't have to because I have freedom of speech"?

Anyway, I don't believe illegal activity discussion should be tolerated and kudos to anyone who tries to keep that mess off the site.
 
I'm just saying though, Ubiiquitous, that having people who work for all these stores listing upcoming sales or lists of guides that will soon penny out and/or telling us how to get in on glitches in their systems is considered OK, but what someone else first mentioned for the particular guide in question is 'illegal' and 'fraud'.

Those infractions fall under another classification(the lists of guides and future sales/flyers), but are still illegal I'm sure. Yet, those are deemed OK for talking about here. THAT'S what gets me, is the high and mighty routine when someone mentions hitting the W without a receipt they are chastised and told it's illegal. But when the people who work for XYZ and ABC store post about upcoming sales through advance copies of the flyers, it's ok.

Again, I sense hypocrisy SO often on here.
 
So you're OK with buying a guide for a .01 but you think it's unethical to post advance notice of a public sale? I'd like to borrow your rose-colored glasses sometime.

None of these posts really have any longevity anyway since they're off-topic and shrike will probably delete them all anyway.
 
[quote name='IAmTheCheapestGamer']I'm just saying though, Ubiiquitous, that having people who work for all these stores listing upcoming sales or lists of guides that will soon penny out and/or telling us how to get in on glitches in their systems is considered OK, but what someone else first mentioned for the particular guide in question is 'illegal' and 'fraud'.

Those infractions fall under another classification(the lists of guides and future sales/flyers), but are still illegal I'm sure. Yet, those are deemed OK for talking about here. THAT'S what gets me, is the high and mighty routine when someone mentions hitting the W without a receipt they are chastised and told it's illegal. But when the people who work for XYZ and ABC store post about upcoming sales through advance copies of the flyers, it's ok.

Again, I sense hypocrisy SO often on here.[/QUOTE]


I agree with the exploitation of glitches comment, but listing upcoming sales isn't wrong. I mean, I see ads in the paper all the time for all kinds of stores for sales that don't start until the weekend when the ad appears on, say, Wednesday.

Besides, how is knowing about an upcoming sale fraudulent?? If I buy the product at full price, then they are just going to let me PM it if it goes on sale anyway, right??

Regardless, the topic of discussion is certain people posting on how to do things that aren't just likely immoral, but certainly illegal. Those posts shouldn't be allowed, and that's the only point anyone was trying to make. And if those posts shouldn't be allowed, then the moderators have to find out some way, and that way is usually from other posters.
 
True, but I do still laugh that the people posting lists of guides and other company confidential information isn't considered illegal(usually it seems to be encouraged by those anxiously awaiting the 'next list'), while some other things are.

I'll probably just delete my own posts soon enough, since I DO enjoy coming to this site, but laugh about the level of hypocrisy on here sometimes.

Commenting about how xyz guide is .01 if abc actions are done to it= illegal
Telling people that a,b,c,d,e,f and g guides are going to be .01 for the week coming up= ok

BZZZ Wrong, it's giving out company information, which would be a termination worthy offense if any of the CAGs giving out this info were caught doing it. And, if those CAGs giving out the info are caught, do you think anyone from on here would jump to their defense? Who would pay their bills if they get caught giving out this confidential info?

EDIT: And, on that note, I'm gonna delete my own posts n save Shrike the trouble.
 
[quote name='Ubiiquitous']My point is that there are rules to this site, so hiding behind the 1st amendment is moot, because if the rules are broken, then the post is deleted, at the very least. That's all Gwen was trying to say, I believe. Not necessarily you, per se, but anyone who comes on and suggests illegal activites should have their post deleted, at the very least.

The 1st Amendment has nothing to do with anything, since there are rules to the site. I mean, if I came to your house and started yelling and screaming at you, and you told me to leave could I say "I don't have to because I have freedom of speech"?

Anyway, I don't believe illegal activity discussion should be tolerated and kudos to anyone who tries to keep that mess off the site.[/quote]

The other point you could make is that the 1st Amendment only applies to the government, not to websites like this. But then again, I wouldn't expect someone like him to know that.
 
C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER

Just to interupt this madness, Pokemon Mystery Dungeon (Prima) has disappeared from the BB site.

Mind you, it was sold out a few days ago, so it could might just be temporary.

As you were.
 
[quote name='IAmTheCheapestGamer']True, but I do still laugh that the people posting lists of guides and other company confidential information isn't considered illegal(usually it seems to be encouraged by those anxiously awaiting the 'next list'), while some other things are.

I'll probably just delete my own posts soon enough, since I DO enjoy coming to this site, but laugh about the level of hypocrisy on here sometimes.

Commenting about how xyz guide is .01 if abc actions are done to it= illegal
Telling people that a,b,c,d,e,f and g guides are going to be .01 for the week coming up= ok

BZZZ Wrong, it's giving out company information, which would be a termination worthy offense if any of the CAGs giving out this info were caught doing it. And, if those CAGs giving out the info are caught, do you think anyone from on here would jump to their defense? Who would pay their bills if they get caught giving out this confidential info?

EDIT: And, on that note, I'm gonna delete my own posts n save Shrike the trouble.[/quote]
Let's see, because, perhaps, following company policy, if you find a,b,c,d,e,f guides on the shelf that following week you can get them for a penny. You are taking that guide to the register and paying what that company is charging, you are NOT TAMPERING with any product they have for sale.

Tearing off a UPC sticker on the other hand is the same as taking a price sticker from a lower priced product and putting it over the actual UPC/ price sticker of the product you're attempting to buy and then demanding to get it for that lower price...which equals fraud...capiche?
 
What does it mean when the CAG Wiki says Kingdom Hearts II (7739218). My BB has some near me and I don't know what that means. Also, Is FFXII pennied out yet. They got some there too.
 
[quote name='Predator21281']What does it mean when the CAG Wiki says Kingdom Hearts II (7739218). My BB has some near me and I don't know what that means. Also, Is FFXII pennied out yet. They got some there too.[/quote]

KH2 was pennied out a few months back, so if your BB has some, they should ring up as such...FFXII is not pennied yet as far as I know.
 
[quote name='lawdood']KH2 was pennied out a few months back, so if your BB has some, they should ring up as such...FFXII is not pennied yet as far as I know.[/quote] Thanks.
 
[quote name='Predator21281']What does it mean when the CAG Wiki says Kingdom Hearts II (7739218). My BB has some near me and I don't know what that means. Also, Is FFXII pennied out yet. They got some there too.[/quote]

If your confusion is stemming from the string of numbers, that's the ISBN number (I think? It's one of those numbers. Not sure which.).
 
[quote name='lawdood']Let's see, because, perhaps, following company policy, if you find a,b,c,d,e,f guides on the shelf that following week you can get them for a penny. You are taking that guide to the register and paying what that company is charging, you are NOT TAMPERING with any product they have for sale.

Tearing off a UPC sticker on the other hand is the same as taking a price sticker from a lower priced product and putting it over the actual UPC/ price sticker of the product you're attempting to buy and then demanding to get it for that lower price...which equals fraud...capiche?[/quote]

But, what I'm saying is that people from those stores that penny said guides are giving us the info to go find them, which is just as illegal in another way altogether. But, THAT practice is NOT frowned upon on here it seems.

I actually found a couple guides for .01 before I ever joined this site, so I started checking the older guides that I still saw on the shelf after 6 months. So really, it can be done without the lists of guides, but it is much harder then.

Oh and thanks for the insult, after I'd already agreed to take down my main post that I made much earlier today.
 
[quote name='IAmTheCheapestGamer']But, what I'm saying is that people from those stores that penny said guides are giving us the info to go find them, which is just as illegal in another way altogether. But, THAT practice is NOT frowned upon on here it seems.

I actually found a couple guides for .01 before I ever joined this site, so I started checking the older guides that I still saw on the shelf after 6 months.

Oh and thanks for the insult, after I'd already agreed to take down my main post that I made much earlier today.[/quote]

Illegal means against the law...giving us a heads up on what guides are being pennied is in no way illegal...and I would bet there's not even a company policy against such. If I'm wrong regarding some company's policy, please find it and post such.

Fraud, on the other hand, is prosecutable by law.
 
What if you are about to pay for a guide and you removed the shrinkwarp? That about the same as grab a bottle of soda while in line, take a sip, and pay for it.
 
OK, wow...I totally apologize for my attempt at humor derailing this thread. I'll just, uh, continue to monitor the various websites for more guides to drop off the list...um...carry on.
 
[quote name='62t']What if you are about to pay for a guide and you removed the shrinkwarp? That about the same as grab a bottle of soda while in line, take a sip, and pay for it.[/quote]

Not the best analogy, as opening a bottle of soda doesnt make it cheaper ;)
 
[quote name='lawdood']Illegal means against the law...giving us a heads up on what guides are being pennied is in no way illegal...and I would bet there's not even a company policy against such. If I'm wrong regarding some company's policy, please find it and post such.

Fraud, on the other hand, is prosecutable by law.[/quote]

Actually, I would believe that it IS illegal, as those employees who post guide lists that will be pennied are giving out CONFIDENTIAL company information. AND, they ARE costing the company they work for $$$$ in the form of guides being sold that otherwise would be destroyed and that they would be given credit for. Hell, even the GS sale list had a disclaimer on it mentioning that very fact, I believe(that it was CONFIDENTIAL info).

BOTH are wrong, but yet only ONE is enforced as being a no-no on CAG. Again, sounds hypocritical to me.
 
[quote name='62t']What if you are about to pay for a guide and you removed the shrinkwarp? That about the same as grab a bottle of soda while in line, take a sip, and pay for it.[/quote]

What if you put peanut butter jelly on a guide after removing the shrinkwrap. Would it be...

~Peanut Butter Jelly Time~

????

Profit
 
[quote name='IAmTheCheapestGamer']Actually, I would believe that it IS illegal, as those employees who post guide lists that will be pennied are giving out CONFIDENTIAL company information. AND, they ARE costing the company they work for $$$$ in the form of guides being sold that otherwise would be destroyed and that they would be given credit for. Hell, even the GS sale list had a disclaimer on it mentioning that very fact, I believe.

BOTH are wrong, but yet only ONE is enforced as being a no-no on CAG. Again, sounds hypocritical to me.[/quote]
A company communication to its employees does NOT mean it's confidential. Please show me proof that A) employees of company A sign confidentiality agreements and B) the memos asking them to pull certain guides are marked as confidential and then you might have some actual FACTS to back up your argument.

If you wish to continue this debate, let's do it elsewhere, I'd hate to see the guide thread locked simply because you don't know the defintion of illegal.

Plus, I'd really like to know if BB is pennying any guides this month and Vahn has been MIA for a while....
 
Actually Lawdood, many companies have you sign them when you first go to work for them. It's usually a page on the back of the employee manual which you sign and date that says that you agree to everything in the manual. And, MOST employers I've worked for have had a confidentiality section in those manuals.

And, go into the Memorial Day GS sale thread, copy and resize the list of games, the first page, second paragraph part reads:
IMPORTANT!
This list is Gamestop confidential and is not to be shared with anyone outside the company.

So, that being on there means that if whoever put it on here got caught, they could be fired for it I'm sure. The IMPORTANT note is only on the first page that's up on the thread.

Oh and Lawdood, some stores still won't let you grab those items that do penny if their District Manager has deemed them 'unable to be sold at that price'. I've had it happen enough around here to know better anymore.

And yes, originally I made a comment that seemed like I would go so far as to change prices or the dreaded W no receipt return and was insulted for it. What I choose to do is my own business, but I still think snitching is right back there in 5th grade.
 
[quote name='IAmTheCheapestGamer']What I choose to do is my own business[/quote]

That's great and true so keep it your business and don't post about it. This is the Reduced Price Game Guides: Thread Seven.
 
[quote name='imacgod']Is the Yoshi's Island DS game guide (Prima, the small, but thick book), pennied? I saw several at Best Buy today.[/quote]

Yes.

I have a few copies, and all of them are warped/crinkled. Another CAG reported the same thing. It's somewhat bothersome for my OCD self. :lol:
 
[quote name='Ubiiquitous']She is one of the most respected users on this site,[/quote]Sez who?

[quote name='62t']What if you are about to pay for a guide and you removed the shrinkwarp?[/quote]Then you have the clerk ring up the SKU/UPC/whatever which WOULD have been scanned if the item were in it's original selling packaging (ie, the UPC on the shrink wrap) before you changed it's condition.

[quote name='lawdood']A company communication to its employees does NOT mean it's confidential.[/quote]I don't know about that, Sugar. Usually any communications within a corporation are considered confidential by nature. Every company I've ever worked for, I've always had to sign some sort of confidentiality agreement.

Even retail companies such as WalMart and Target and such have policies regarding competition checking in-store prices. (There's nothing to stop Store A from lowering their price on X Product to $2 when Store B has that same product advertised for $3.) But unadvertised pricepoints, upcoming specials, sales, et cetera... iam is right in that leaking that information compromises the employees position within the company.

I never thought of that, I admit.

In any event, could we puh-lease continue any of these discussions here? That thread is strictly for ethics/morality/blah blah blah. This thread should be just for game guide price drops, s'il vous plaît.
 
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