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There's a question...what was the worst WM of all time?

Many argue that IX or XIII was.

I would argue that XII was really bad (Lawrence Taylor???).

However, because I can't recall anything remotely fun about them, I'll put my worst wrestlemania as #2; I don't remember anything about it. The second worst was WM2000; if not for the tag title match, it would be worse than #2 for the McMahon-centered main event.

myke.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']There's a question...what was the worst WM of all time?

Many argue that IX or XIII was.

I would argue that XII was really bad (Lawrence Taylor???).

However, because I can't recall anything remotely fun about them, I'll put my worst wrestlemania as #2; I don't remember anything about it. The second worst was WM2000; if not for the tag title match, it would be worse than #2 for the McMahon-centered main event.

myke.[/quote]

WM II was great IMO. It was the only WM held in 3 different locations featuring multiple main events, including Mr. T vs Roddy Piper. I believe Hogan vs King Kong Bundy in a steel cage was the headliner though. I wish they'd try something crafty like that again, have WM be a state-wide experience.

WM XII was also a decent one featuring Bret Hart vs HBK in an iron man match. It was also Steve Austin's debut at a WM, and HHH got squashed by the Ultimate Warrior. Even the Diesel/Taker match lived up to its hype.

WM 2000 was also pretty good. The main event was actually unpredictable, I think just about everyone in the freeworld expected either Mick or the Rock to win, and yet somehow Triple H became the first heel to walk in and out of WM as champion. You must be thinking of a different year too, because the tag title match taht year was the Edge & Christian vs The Hardyz vs the Dudleyz ladder match for the tag titles. It also featured the entertaining hardcore battle royal and a sensational two out of three falls triple threat match between Kurt Angle, Chris Jericho and Chris Benoit, in which Angle lost both of the IC and Euro titles.

As for the actual worst WMs

Well WM XIII did indeed really suck. The highlights included an Austin vs Bret Hart match and the horrid main event between Psycho Sid and the Undertaker.

WM XI was special too. That was the LT vs Bam Bam main event... ugh, that's by far the worst WM main event, if not worst WWE main event ever. The title match was between Diesel and HBK, of course Nash was in his prime then, but still one semi-decent match doesn't make for a good WM. Razor Ramon also picked up a win over Double J at that WM. Bret Hart also beat Bob Backlund in an "I Quit" match, which was pretty much a mockery of Backlund's career.

Personally I didn't think WM IX was that terrible, not that great, but not that terrible. It would've been better had Hogan just come out of nowhere and not wrestled earlier in the night and won the title. Oh well.

WM VIII was pretty shitty actually. Considering the main event was Hogan vs Sid... while the title match was held earlier in the night between Macho Man and Ric Flair. I guess that match saves the show from being the worst WM.

WM XV sucked hard IMO. Austin vs Rock wasn't that great. Plus Shane won the euro title for no reason at all. The Undertaker/Big Boss Man HITC match was by far the worst HITC ever, and let us not forget, or better yet let us forget Butterbean vs Bart Gunn.

WM XVIII and WMXIX were fairly forgetable too. True Vince did a fine job killing the nWo in WMXIX (something I think he always wanted to do) and HHH did a great job burying Jericho's reign as Undisputed champion at WMVIII, that bullshit aside there were few decent matches. Ric Flair vs Undertaker comes to mind, on the whole WMVIII was really one of the shitty ones. At least WM XIX finally had the Vince vs Hogan match. The Rock finally beat Stone Cold at WM. And then there was the Brock vs Angle match, so that alone puts WMXIX in the middle of the pack I guess, but does nothing to excuse WM XVIII's horridness.


As for an overall favorite...

WM X was solid, the first post-Hogan WM. It was highlighted by the ladder match between HBk and Razor Ramon. Then Owen Hart's victory over Bret Hart to open the show, yet by the end of the night Bret Hart defeated Yokozuna to become champion. Men On a Mission's Lex-Express song amused me to no end too.

WM XVII was decent too. The HHH/Taker match was done very well. And even though Austin turned heel I thought that this time the match between him and the Rock was better than the previous encounter. Plus the internet was torn between who would turn heel be it the Rock or Austin leading into the ppv. Benoit and Angle put on another classic, and E&C, the Hardyz and Dudleyz had another solid TLC match. Even the Kane, Big Show, Raven hardcore title match was really solid. Toss in the gimmick battle royal (even though the Sheik won it) and you've got one of my favorite WMs.

Anyhow after WM XVIII and WM XIX were reather sub-par it was quite refreshing to see one of (if not the) best WMs last year. WM XX was hyped to high heaven, yet it delivered. The Christian vs Jericho match was great, I was hoping Trish would turn heel and sure enough she did. Taker returned to bury Kane, following Kanes monster push for the past few months after he had lost his mask, that was bad... but Molly getting her head shaved was good. The cruiserweight match was done poorly too, but the Brock vs Goldberg match made up for that. Watching those two get boo'd right out of the building was really something. It shows you how much the internet plays a part in wrestling now. Then we move to the title matches, Angle vs Eddie Guerrero was a very good match, but the HBK, Benoit, HHH match... dare I say it "best WM title match ever" you (or at least I) really had no idea who would win that match. Watching Benoit finally win the strap was just priceless too.

Wow... I didn't think I'd end up reviewing half the wrestlemanias... damn you myke :p

My favorite WM though, and probably the best WM in the eyes of the 93,173 fans that saw it live was WM III. It had midgets, Moolah Koko B. Ware and much more. The Honkey Tonk Man had a stunning victory over Jake Roberts, considering Alice Cooper came to the ring with the Snake you would've thought he was a shoe-in for the win.

But, if there was one moment that defined what the WWE is today, that "made" the WWE it was "the slam" at WM III. When Hogan picked up Andre the Giant and put him on his back it changed wrestling forever. Hogan became an icon and the WWF soared to new heights.

The true highlight of WM III though was the I/C title match. A match that many wrestling fans call the greatest wrestling match of all time, still to this day. The match between "Macho Man" Randy Savage and none other than our topic feature: Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat. Oh mercy what a match. The amazing wrestling ability of those two at the time was fantastic. All of the near falls, the unpredictability of when the match would end. Every person in the WWE locker room today should watch that match over and over before their matches at this year's WM and strive to come close to the excellence that saw Ricky Steamboat capture the I/C title at WM III.
 
I agree with your points mostly; I didn't watch around WM2, so I don't recall watching it for various reasons...

ROH show tonight! Here's the card:

Grudge Match Main Event #1
AJ Styles returns to ROH vs. Jimmy Rave with Prince Nana

Grudge Match Main Event #2
CM Punk vs. Alex Shelley

Grudge Match Main Event #3
ROH World Champion Austin Aries & Jack Evans vs. Samoa Joe & Bryan Danielson

ROH Tag Team Title Match
Dan Maff & BJ Whitmer defend vs. Jimmy Jacobs & Delirious

Screw Sports Entertainment Match
James Gibson, formerly known as Jamie Noble, vs. Spanky

Special Attraction Match
Colt Cabana vs. Nigel McGuinness

Bonus Match
Homicide with Julius Smokes vs. Puma

The debut of the Air Devils of Matt Sydal & Fast Eddie as they take on Dunn & Marcos

Women's Four Corner Survival
Tracey Brooks vs. Lacey vs. Daizee Haze vs. Allison Danger

Third row. Huzzah! Shame I've had a miserable head cold all week long. I sound like the teachers from the old Charlie Brown cartoons when I try to talk. I need to scream "REDNECK MESSIAH!!!" for Jamie Noble.

myke.
 
[quote name='guyver2077']WRESTLEMANIA X8 ROCKED!!

NWO 4 LYFE[/quote]

nWo 4 life indeed... it's just Vince buried the nWo and all it stood for at X8
 
[quote name='mykevermin']I agree with your points mostly; I didn't watch around WM2, so I don't recall watching it for various reasons...

ROH show tonight! Here's the card:

Grudge Match Main Event #1
AJ Styles returns to ROH vs. Jimmy Rave with Prince Nana

Grudge Match Main Event #2
CM Punk vs. Alex Shelley

Grudge Match Main Event #3
ROH World Champion Austin Aries & Jack Evans vs. Samoa Joe & Bryan Danielson

ROH Tag Team Title Match
Dan Maff & BJ Whitmer defend vs. Jimmy Jacobs & Delirious

Screw Sports Entertainment Match
James Gibson, formerly known as Jamie Noble, vs. Spanky

Special Attraction Match
Colt Cabana vs. Nigel McGuinness

Bonus Match
Homicide with Julius Smokes vs. Puma

The debut of the Air Devils of Matt Sydal & Fast Eddie as they take on Dunn & Marcos

Women's Four Corner Survival
Tracey Brooks vs. Lacey vs. Daizee Haze vs. Allison Danger

Third row. Huzzah! Shame I've had a miserable head cold all week long. I sound like the teachers from the old Charlie Brown cartoons when I try to talk. I need to scream "REDNECK MESSIAH!!!" for Jamie Noble.

myke.[/quote]

:rofl: Screw Sports Entertainment Match.
 
i stopped watching wrestling in the late 90's

i guess it just lost its magic for me during the time of steve austin and all that jazz

im a late 80's/early 90's kinda wrestling fan :)
 
[quote name='Zenithian Legend']And it may be time to watch my WM highlight dvd from the first nine WMs.[/quote]

Oh man, you bought that? That's got to be the worst DVD they've put out so far. The choices they picked were basically just highlights of each WM and were pretty short. That DVD isn't even worth the $10.
 
I just watched the single most fantastic wrestling match in ages. It was a cross-promotion title match, pitting NJPW's IWGP champion Hiroyoshi Tenzan versus AJPW's Triple Crown champion (and Tenzan's former partner), Satoshi Kojima.

60 minutes.
No chairs.
Hard hitting (it seriously makes Chris Benoit look like Teddy F'N Ruxpin).
False finishes galore!

Aww, man. If you have 60 minutes, go grab it at www.pwtorrents.net

You'll thank me for it.

myke.
...although Genichiro Tenryu's voice is *totally* creepy.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']I just watched the single most fantastic wrestling match in ages. It was a cross-promotion title match, pitting NJPW's IWGP champion Hiroyoshi Tenzan versus AJPW's Triple Crown champion (and Tenzan's former partner), Satoshi Kojima.

60 minutes.
No chairs.
Hard hitting (it seriously makes Chris Benoit look like Teddy F'N Ruxpin).
False finishes galore!

Aww, man. If you have 60 minutes, go grab it at www.pwtorrents.net

You'll thank me for it.

myke.
...although Genichiro Tenryu's voice is *totally* creepy.[/quote]

Sounds good, I'll download it before I go to sleep tonight.

EDIT: Or now actually.
 
I have a presentation for Thursday that I managed to finish early, so I watched that and CMLL (Consejas Mundial de Lucha Libre?) on Galavision.

I not only saw Vampiro (using his peculiar name of Vampiro Canadiense), but also the Ultimo Dragon!!! My favorite misused WWE wrestler resurfaces!!!

...the ROH show was fantastic. Chant of the night was "Smackdown Sucks" during the Spanky/Noble match, to which Spanky replied "I wasn't on Smackdown, I was on Velocity!" Awesome. MOTN honors went to Colt Cabana/Nigel McGuinness, although the Spanky/Noble match was great as well. The single best ROH show I've been to (out of the 5 I've seen).

myke.
 
I'll bring the figure conversation here...

I passed on a Blue Blazer years ago (K-Mart?) I'll never know why. I have passed on several Dude Loves (or is that Dudes Love?), because I'm trying to wean myself off of buying toys. I did pick up the Hart Foundation, who are on the second shelf of my office here (though hiding behind some SAS manuals).

myke.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Messed up how? I started watching late tonight.[/quote]

Hassan showed just how green he was. A punch that was supposed to be reversed into the crossface instead was "here's my arm, grab it", and Benoit when Benoit went for a headbutt, Hassan was supposed to donk him with the bell, but obviously missed.

Nice to see Benjamin go over Snitsky clean!
 
[quote name='AdamInPlaidum'][quote name='mykevermin']Messed up how? I started watching late tonight.[/quote]

Hassan showed just how green he was. A punch that was supposed to be reversed into the crossface instead was "here's my arm, grab it", and Benoit when Benoit went for a headbutt, Hassan was supposed to donk him with the bell, but obviously missed.

Nice to see Benjamin go over Snitsky clean![/quote]

Hmm. Maybe Chris Masters will show Benoit and Hassan how it's done.

myke.
...tee-hee.
 
Sheeit. Putting Masters over WWE guys is bad enough.

Having him annihilate ROH Pure Wrestling champion John Walters? Tragic, I say. And highly ironic.

myke.
 
I like how Masters injured Richards, so now they are having him fight jobbers.

And Stevie R fucking rules.

Edit: Jobbers, ROH title holders...what's the difference? :twisted:
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Messed up how? I started watching late tonight.[/quote]

He was fighting the arab american duo guys, don't remember their names.


One guy got knocked down and had the ring bell,

Benoit didn't see and went for the flying head butt.

So it looked if he was suppose to hit the ring bell.

But his head hit like a shoulder or something....

Then there was some confusion as they lay there.

Benoit was clearly susposed to come closer to the bell.. and after the head butt he was lying around stunned.

JR said that he hit.

then a few secs later, JR said I thought he hit, but he missed.

They got back up and Benoit got hit in the crotch, the the match was DQ'd (this last part went really quick)
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']What is Batista's ethnic background? Just curious.[/quote]

Looks Italian, maybe Greek? Whatever Jeff Goldblum is.

Now THERE'S an idea. I'll pay any amount of money for Jeff Goldblum to be Batista's manager.

And boy, has anything ever been more true than what Batista is saying about things being all about HHH?
 
[quote name='AdamInPlaidum']I like how Masters injured Richards, so now they are having him fight jobbers.

And Stevie R shaq-fuing rules.

Edit: Jobbers, ROH title holders...what's the difference? :twisted:[/quote]

Good work. You deserve a promotion.

myke.
...I'm on the "Batista is Greek" side of the argument.
 
[quote name='mykevermin'][quote name='AdamInPlaidum']I like how Masters injured Richards, so now they are having him fight jobbers.

And Stevie R shaq-fuing rules.

Edit: Jobbers, ROH title holders...what's the difference? :twisted:[/quote]

Good work. You deserve a promotion.

myke.
...I'm on the "Batista is Greek" side of the argument.[/quote]

God knows that comment would have earned me a promotion in the WWE. Because you see, John Walters is small, whereas Chris Masters is BIG! Get it?
 
Ladder match? Y2J, Snitsky, Benjamin (in order to make it IC title), Benoit, Christian, Edge?

Anyone think HHH will retain at WM21? (I sure as hell do).

myke.
 
Jericho and a ladder... hmmm....
If the other 5 other guys can actually go, we just might have the first "Good" Raw-only match.

One more thing... after seeing that JBL-Cena Mania promo, I have a little more faith in Cena's movie. Not a lot, just a little. Just enough to think it won't be completely abysmal, just slightly.
 
[quote name='DarkSol']Jericho and a ladder... hmmm....
If the other 5 other guys can actually go, we just might have the first "Good" Raw-only match.[/quote]

Yeah, I am curious as to how that is going to go down.
 
Well, I'm glad I'm not the only one.

For some reason, people seem to think that Batista is the guaranteed winner. I'm curious why they think that.

It's not like HHH hasn't retained at WM before (16, 19, and he won the title at 18).

It's not like HHH having the title for far too long has gotten in the way of him continuing to win.
 
[quote name='guyver2077']nasty playboy cover[/quote]

What's wrong with it?

Other than the fact it has nothing to do with wrestling, it doesn't bother me.
 
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