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Good ending tonight even though everyone already knew Batista was going to stay.
I'll be interested to see if any new alliances are formed now that Evolution is all but dead.
 
fuck. Now, if being a ripoff of Lex Luger and/or Mark Jindrak wasn't bad enough, now Chris Masterpiece is a one man tribute to Billy Jack Haynes and Hercules Hernandez.

There was a reason he didn't do any impressive moves tonight - he couldn't do any. He should commit suicide, since I'd rather watch him do that than wrestle.

The Batista-bomb was very intense, and I enjoyed it. I must admit, however, I only watched the first 15 minutes and the last half hour or so in 5 minutes thanks to tivo.

At least I get to see AJ Styles this Friday!

myke.
 
It is only a matter of time before Orton goes heel again. I wouldn't be suprised if he is later revealed as the limo driver. In the coming weeks, HHH and Flair will be pissed that Evolution is dead, and they will reform to go attack Batista.
 
I just had an AWESOME match in Day of Reckoning. Batista vs. Trips, naturally, and I had beaten him down BAD.. and I went for my final Batista Bomb before I pinned, and bam, Momentum Shift. I'm suddenly down on the ground from a low blow in serious pain. Jericho runs down as Trips get a special. I go to stand. Jericho grabs me from behind.. I reverse by dropkicking Trips in the face and swinging back and nailing Jericho. I then drop on Trips and get the 3 count.

That was fucking awesome.
 
[quote name='smellhasreturned']Chris Masters = new member of Evolution[/quote]

I was thinking that too, but would they make it that obvious? On the same night Batista turns on Evo, Chris Masters makes his WWE debut?
 
[quote name='Trakan'][quote name='smellhasreturned']Chris Masters = new member of Evolution[/quote]

I was thinking that too, but would they make it that obvious? On the same night Batista turns on Evo, Chris Masters makes his WWE debut?[/quote]

It's the WWE. What do you expect?
 
[quote name='Scorch']I didn't even think of him and Evolution. I doubt it will happen.[/quote]

Yeah, I kinda forgot that he pissed off Flair.
 
Man, when a choke-out full nelson is your finisher, that's a really bad sign.

And what is with the WWE now and taking their sweet time naming finishers? I mean, yes, many of us knew that Rene Dupree stole the Michinoku Driver, but they didn't even start calling it the Dupree Driver until a few months ago. Yeesh. I don't think Heidenreich's shoulder-breaker move got a name either.
 
[quote name='MorbidAngel4Life']In SD! Vs. Raw, I believe it's called the Dupree Bomb.[/quote]

I'm just referring to what I heard Josh Matthews or the other host on Velocity called it in the last few months. Also, the moveset in the game was probably set in the middle of last year, and I'm fairly sure at that point they still didn't give it a name. They would just say "Dupree's finisher" on the air - I've never heard them call it the Dupree Bomb, but it also wouldn't surprise me if they did on Velocity or Heat and I just never heard it. Besides, it's not a bomb, dammit. That should be reserved for powerbomb or spinebuster type moves. Eh, I guess it could qualify, maybe.

The video games often have named moves before the shows do. Remember the Stretch Muffler, aka the Brock Lock?
 
[quote name='SevereTireDamage'][quote name='MorbidAngel4Life']In SD! Vs. Raw, I believe it's called the Dupree Bomb.[/quote]

I'm just referring to what I heard Josh Matthews or the other host on Velocity called it in the last few months. Also, the moveset in the game was probably set in the middle of last year, and I'm fairly sure at that point they still didn't give it a name. They would just say "Dupree's finisher" on the air - I've never heard them call it the Dupree Bomb, but it also wouldn't surprise me if they did on Velocity or Heat and I just never heard it. Besides, it's not a bomb, dammit. That should be reserved for powerbomb or spinebuster type moves. Eh, I guess it could qualify, maybe.

The video games often have named moves before the shows do. Remember the Stretch Muffler, aka the Brock Lock?[/quote]

THe Stretch Muffler isn't a true Brock Lock, but yeah. I usd it for the BL before. He usually put it into a Boston Crab position at the end.
 
Oh, and I didn't see the first hour of Raw (I can't miss 24). What happened? Quick summary, or should I just download it?
 
[quote name='Scorch']Oh, and I didn't see the first hour of Raw (I can't miss 24). What happened? Quick summary, or should I just download it?[/quote]

Trish won her 3-way match with Molly and Victoria, and after went and talked shit to Christy and the GoDaddy.com girl. Christy shouldered Trish into a door, and they were then pulled apart. Jericho beat Simon Dean. That's all I can remember atm.

EDIT: They showed footage of Batista at NWO, Orton and HBK talking about their match, Bishoff and Long arguing over Batista, Kane beat Tomko. Benoit challenges Hassan, Hassan declines, Benoit hits him, then gets crap beaten out of him. Benoit vs. Hassan for next week.
 
[quote name='The Truth']Steamboat, in the picture with the title, looks a lot like Scott Hall, except of an Asian persuasion.
And my vote, if its not WM-connected, would be for Barry Horowitz (the guy that used to pat himself on the back all of the time but rarely won a match.)[/quote]

That was the idea :wink:
 
And time for another horse-r-iffic update:

No Way Out:

Obviously I did not order this ppv or watch it live or anything else aside from internet clips, that being said.

I actually liked the way the JBL match ended. Very clever actually, that was a good way for him to pick up a semi-legit win heading into Wrestlemania. Just goes to show you though, and I'm sure history will hold this true: after the Royal Rumble the world title(s) do not change hands. I'm not sure where this leaves the Show though as far as a WM match is concerned.

The six-way match and London push sounds decent, but I don't watdh much SD! So...

Eddie & Rey as champs is kind of interesting, I would've expected them to turn on each other instead.

Cena winning is quite predictable, I expected HBK to show up though, since the WWE wants an HBK/Angle WM match so badly.

I had this strange dream that the main event at WM was Cena vs RVD instead of JBL... wishful thinking I guess.

Oh, and I'm still trying to figure out what the point of Booker T vs Heidenriech is. Booker T, the lost soul... he's been mis-managed and poorly written into the storylines ever since Goldust was released.


RAW:

It would seem as though WWE is headed towards an all-out diva melee at WM. Probably a 4-way match between Trish, Christy, Victoria and Molly. Basically because the WWE knows damn well that Christy can't carry a one on one match yet, and definitely not one at WM.

Whoa is me in light of Kane's current character. He's winning, but all he's doing is squashing guys low on the card... so where does this leave him for WM? If Kane doesn't have a WM match, I'm not watching it because that'd be just f*cking ridiculous.

By the by, where's Viscera?

Not impressed with the Masterpiece. I did like Hercules though... I like how Vince booked him against Stevie Richards, makes sense since Richards is pretty much a neutral character. The fact that the crowd wasn't into the match, and I think started booing a little when Masters won, indicates that he will now be a heel.

I'm getting sick of the way they're presenting Hassan, why not book him in some legit matches? He could've faced Simon Dean this week, that would've been interesting. Although I must admit it was nice to see Jericho actually win a match.

Since I mentioned Kane earlier, where do Jericho and Benoit fit into the WM card? It seems as though Tajiri & Regal will hold the tag titles until WM, so I doubt that they'll challenge for those. Unless it's a the typical 4-way tag challenge. Now that I've said it someone from WWE is sure to book it.

God I hope Snitsky vs Benjamin doesn't last through WM.

If HBK is going to face Angle at WM, then why have Edge go psycho and attack him again? Why not have Edge attack Christian instead? Setting up long overdue WM match between the former "brothers", does WWE still call them brothers? I know they used to :roll:

Thus we come to Batista. The crowd wants it, WM isn't the right place for it, but it's happening anyway, Batista vs HHH. I liked how the ending segment on Raw went, I snapped up to the edge of my bed (I was half-asleep) as soon as I saw Hunter give a thumbs up; we all knew what was going to happen next. Very entertaining. Maybe Batista vs HHH won't be that bad. I'm sure HHH loves it since it more or less guarantees he'll come out of WM as champ still.

So WM:

Cena defeats JBL
HHH defeats Batista
Trish defends against Christy, Victoria, and Molly
Angle vs HBK
Rey & Guerrero vs The Bashams
Chavo vs Paul London
Tajiri & Regal vs ?
Benjamin vs ?

WM generally has 12 matches or so, so the question is where do these guys fit in:

Randy Orton, Kane, Undertaker, Big Show, Y2J, Benoit, Rene Dupree, Kenzo, Booker T, Hassan, Christian, Edge, and Ric Flair.

I'm sure this week's SD! will clear up a few things, but that still doesn't account for what happens with over half a dozen Raw guys that (Hassan aside) should definitely be a part of WM in some way. Perhaps Flair will simply accompany HHH to the ring.

Finally, the horse's parting question:

Who was the limo driver?
Was/will it be revealed?
Or was it just no one in particular?
I've got my fingers crossed that it was Rikishi, or perhaps Rosey.
 
[quote name='Zenithian Legend']
I actually liked the way the JBL match ended. Very clever actually, that was a good way for him to pick up a semi-legit win heading into Wrestlemania. Just goes to show you though, and I'm sure history will hold this true: after the Royal Rumble the world title(s) do not change hands.[/quote]

Not true about the title not switching after the Rumble. Just last year Eddie beat Brock at NWO

[quote name='Zenithian Legend']
Finally, the horse's parting question:

Who was the limo driver?
Was/will it be revealed?
Or was it just no one in particular?
I've got my fingers crossed that it was Rikishi, or perhaps Rosey.[/quote]

That would be great, Rosey in his superhero outfit saying how he did it all for the Hurricane. HHH trying in vain to make the plot work with Flair talking about how great he is.
 
Batista cannot wrestle a straight one on one match at Wrestlemania, it would be one of the worst matches of all time no matter how much HHH carried him. Don't believe me, watch any Batista match including when he was in the Rumble. He has 2 moves: a spinebuster and the Dave bomb. Irish whips and clotheslines do not count as actual moves.

Maven has a bigger move set, that's how said it is.
 
I still think Maven will be in Evolution (if they decide to keep it going). He could be the young cocky guy (like Orton). As for a big ass hoss like Batista, I was thinking Snitsky but he doesn't really fit Evolution's style. If they shake up the rosters after Wrestlemania, they may get someone from Smackdown into Evolution. Jindrak would be a great fit (provided he doesn't do a bastardized version of Val Venis' gyrations anymore) and actually, Val would be great in Evolution. :whistle2:k
 
[quote name='Zenithian Legend']Oh good call on the Eddie/Brock thing, but that was a strange circumstance with Brock leaving shortly after the Rumble.[/quote]

It wasn't really a strange circumstance. At the time, they were promoting Brock vs. Goldberg with Goldberg being the one everyone knew was leaving. If I remember it right, Stone Cold had to go to Smackdown for an episode or two to promote the match because Goldberg had already used up the number of appearances on his contract.
The strange circumstance was that awesome surreal moment where you knew the internet had really taken over when both Goldberg and Brock were booed out of the building for leaving. That is a Wrestlemania Moment we'll never see in a WWE highlight. :wink:

[quote name='GuilewasNK']I still think Maven will be in Evolution (if they decide to keep it going). He could be the young cocky guy (like Orton). As for a big ass hoss like Batista, I was thinking Snitsky but he doesn't really fit Evolution's style. If they shake up the rosters after Wrestlemania, they may get someone from Smackdown into Evolution. Jindrak would be a great fit (provided he doesn't do a bastardized version of Val Venis' gyrations anymore) and actually, Val would be great in Evolution. [/quote]
Good call on Maven, I think he'd be great in Evolution. Based on his debut and how he was interacting w/ Ric Flair, maybe that Chris Masterson guy would be the big guy. Orton and Batista were just as useless when they started off with Evolution so it's not really a stretch to add these guys.
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']I still think Maven will be in Evolution (if they decide to keep it going). He could be the young cocky guy (like Orton). As for a big ass hoss like Batista, I was thinking Snitsky but he doesn't really fit Evolution's style. If they shake up the rosters after Wrestlemania, they may get someone from Smackdown into Evolution. Jindrak would be a great fit (provided he doesn't do a bastardized version of Val Venis' gyrations anymore) and actually, Val would be great in Evolution. :whistle2:k[/quote]

Wasn't there a rumor going around that when Jindrak joined the WWE he was going to be in Evolution? I think Batista came back around that time as well and took his spot back before Jindrak could get it though.
 
So Big Vito's getting some tryout time this week, it seems.

He's osentensibly the new tag partner for Nunzio.

What a great idea. Fire the last remaining member of the FBI less than a week after a European tour; fire the other one after sending him to Heat for 5 months, where he lingers as someone who work on cars? Wears pants? What the fuck was Chuck Palumbo's post-FBI gimmick? Asshole?

So now, it seems, some braniac has decided that the secret to making the FBI work is to bring in someone with even less wrestling talent than JtB and Palumbo. Riveting, their brilliance is.

Admittedly, the Bull could be a good wrestler at times; regrettably, he was more concerned with covering up the giant bald spot he'd been developing to concentrate on having a good match.

I liked Chuck too; I have to give credit to the man who made Billy Gunn tolerable.

But Vito? Shit. I've got a filthy Irish friend who could pass for Italian over Vito.

Not to mention he's a relic from the past; he's still got that "I'm King Shit of fuck Mountain, now do as I say" demeanor most WCW wrestlers had toward the end."

myke.
...feh. Who mentioned Paul London getting props in the CW title match at No Way Out? Wanna see how bad he's getting pushed? He worked the first Velocity match of the night! Woo-hoo! Space mountain, here we come!
 
*SPOILERS*




WWE Smackdown! Tapings

*A video proclaiming JBL's Celebration of Excellence tonight as he's the longest reigning WWE champion in a decade.

*Also being teased for tonight is The Undertaker vs. Mark Jindrak & Luther Reigns. They also announced Linda McMahon is there and will appear later tonight.

*WWE tag Team champions Eddie Guerrero & Rey Mysterio defeated The Basham Brothers in a long bout.

*Backstage in the Diva locker room, Orlando Jordan invites the women to JBL's celebration.

*Kurt Angle defeated Matt Martel (Striker from NYC independents and 3PW). Martel was announced from South Philadelphia. When Angle asked him what it felt like facing an Olympic Gold Medalist, Martel asked Angle what it felt like to lose to John Cena. Angle slapped him. He made Martel tap out with less than a minute left. Tazz got into the ring to congratulate Angle for being undefeated and asked him about the Shawn Michaels challenge on Raw. Angle teases speaking, then throws down the mic and walks away.

*They showed a limo showing up for JBL's celebration.

*Heidenreich read a poem. Josh Matthews came up to him and brought up Booker T, and he recited a poem about Booker.

*Orlando Jordan helps JBL get dressed.

*JBL Celebration - JBL's celebration has catering and a live band, and guests. The Bashams and Orlando Jordan came out, followed by JBL. They had a musical tribute to JBL and presented him with an oil painting of JBL. Big Show hits the ring and trashes the set, but is taken down and tried up in the ropes. John Cena hits the ring and breaks the oil painting over JBL's head. Teddy Long announces Big Show and John Cena vs. JBL and Orlando Jordan later tonight. The segment took 40 minutes, including set up and breaking down the ring.

*WWE Cruiserweight champion Chavo Guerrero pinned Funaki. Paul London hits the ring from the crowd and chases off Guerrero.

*The Undertaker defeated Mark Jindrak and Luther Reigns. Taker pinned Jindrak while Reigns and Jindrak argued and brawled with each other with the agents pulling apart.

*Teddy Long said it might be his last night as General Manager. Carlito Caribbean Cool comes out. Linda McMahon, via satellite announces that she's read the petition but Long's decisions were in favor of Smackdown fans so he's retained as GM.

*Big Show & John Cena defeated WWE champion JBL & Orlando Jordan.




*END SPOILERS*

So much for your "London gets relegated to Velocity" theory, myke. ;)
 
God, why is smackdown so awful... who is writing that crap? Give me a day... just give me a day damnit. I'd have Farooq come back and cost JBL the title, now that'd be funny. The Big Show would turn heel. JBL would be sent to velocity. Kurt would be my champion to restore some credibility to the belt and the show. John Cena would remain US champion and upper mid-card, none of this main-eventing WM shit. Eddie Guerrero would turn heel too and get deported to Raw in exchange for one of the many top faces that may not even get a WM match. The list goes on and on... oh Rey would be sent back to the cruiser level, because really that's what he does best. I'd also bulk up the cruiser division, give Shannon Moore some more tv time and have a ton of 3 on 3 cruiser matches or maybe even some of those 6 on 6ers like WCW used to have in it's glory days.
 
Er... no I changed my mind, instead of sending JBL to Velocity, I'd send him to Raw where he'd get buried by HHH, because HHH is to be the only top heel on Raw.
 
Because the JBL title reign will go down as one of the darkest periods in WWE history. Do you think JBL would be champion right now if the WCW were still alive, or if WWE had some real competition? God no... to me JBL is still mid-card material, probably decent to feud with Cena over the US title, not the world title. The fact that he's the longest reigning champion since Nash is a mockery to everyone else that's ever held that belt.
 
Looks like we know what Orton and Undertaker will be doing at Wrestlemania.

Wrestlemania news

Long story short, there's a commercial FX will be airing showing 4 featured matches

1) Triple H vs. Batista for the World Heavyweight Title
2) JBL vs. Cena for the WWE Title
3) Shawn Michaels vs. Kurt Angle
4) Randy Orton vs. The Undertaker

Legend vs Legend Killer

I just really hope Orton ISN'T the one to end the Undertaker's streak. Of all people, not him.
 
Again... Orton vs Taker makes no sense, how will they set that one up? Orton would have to turn heel anyway... I just don't see it happening. Taker will win anyway, he always does :)
 
Wow. What an underwhelming Wrestlemania.

I don't care if Batista main events WM; the main events, while dramatic matches, were *rarely* good in terms of wrestling (much of this has to do with Hulk Hogan being involved in so many). Any two schleps can have a dramatic match, given the right build-up.

I don't see why they don't feed Hassan to the Undertaker. Or Simon Dean. Why does UT deserve to go undefeated at WM? Any predictions on how many more WMs will feature a boring-ass UT squash match? Consider this; the only thing people looked forward to regarding UT's WM match last year was the fucking *entrance*. The gong, the lame-ass organ (your church has one too, pal!), and some local Jersey trash in robes, er...druids, I mean! The "I raise my hands and turn the lights on, then roll my eyes back." Feh. It's theater, and it's been done before. Everything that happened after that entrance did not matter, UT beats up whomever, gets hit 4 times, no sells it, and beats them for the win. Whoop-dee-do. I'll admit that UT is great for the live crowd, but I'm beginning to think of him like I do the t-shirt guns they shoot into the crowd during commercials. Sure, it's great for the crowd, but it's fucking lame to watch on TV. When your career is all about your entrance, and your matches are bullshit, it's time to give it up. Ask Gangrel.

I keep hearing that TNA is going to have a 3-hour special show the night before WM live on Fox Sports. Free wrestling is great; seeing TNA for free (since Impact is ok, but rarely features great matches) will be awesome (As long as Erik Watts and Dustin Rhodes are gone by then).

myke.
 
It's self-fulfilling prophecy. How can you build up the SD! guys if they're going to get fed to the 'taker?

Now matter how over someone is, they're never enough to beat UT. Who has he helped "get over" by feuding with them? Luther Reigns? Heidenreich? Mabel?

Yes, he's popular, and yes, he sells merchandise, and yes, crowds love him...but that doesn't take away from the fact that, on the whole, he is a detriment to the long-term business health of the WWE.

myke.
 
I don't want to see Orton fed to the Taker. That's just fucking retarded if WWE does that. When you're trying to build someone up as a top face or heel, you don't feed them to a man who will pretty much NEVER lost a WM match. So screwed up if they do. And though Batista is getting over, I really can't believe we're letting him main event WM. He has never been in a singles match that main evented any other PPV, but we're still gonna let him main event the biggest PPV in the WWE. This is going to be one screwed up WM besides Angle/HBK.
 
For what it's worth, if the ending doesn't involve Hulk Hogan coming down to protest the heel winning the main event, only to end up winning the world title, then it stands no chance of being the worst wrestlemania ever.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']For what it's worth, if the ending doesn't involve Hulk Hogan coming down to protest the heel winning the main event, only to end up winning the world title, then it stands no chance of being the worst wrestlemania ever.[/quote]

I agree. I remember this so clearly because we were playing Bubble Hockey in my friend's basement and I said "Holy shit, Hogan is down at ringside" and my friend called time out, turned around to watch it, meanwhile the kid he was playing got a hand full of talc and said "Come on dude, let's finish this" and when he turned back around BANG big handful of talc in his face, winning goal and then the whole flash/exploding camera thing, Hogan new champ and us pissing and moaning about the screw job finish.
 
Don't ask me why... but I liked the Hogan finish, although it should've been a much longer match.

I think this year's WM will rank up there as one of the worst of all-time though.
 
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