RockBand 1 & 2 - Gen. Discussion & Info - 3/15/09 - Funk Pack + More!

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[quote name='Jesus_S_Preston']Isn't Hollywood whatever those assholes with masks.[/QUOTE]

Yeah.

[quote name='Rocko']So people are admitting they've never heard of most or all of these bands/songs and are still trashing them? Awesome.

You'd think you all were entitled to something.[/QUOTE]

Find some decent recordings online so we can listen. These 20 songs were suppose to be songs that were going to be included in the game but they didn't have time to get them done. Bunch of BS.
 
If I was still twelve, my balls would have dropped so that I could ejaculate at the mention of Underoath in Rock Band.

That country news didn't matter to me, what did was the mention of ska. As I posted in the GGT, if they put Catch 22's (or streetlight's) Keasbey Night's into the game, I will blow everyone at harmonix.

 
I don't doubt that these were songs they were going to include in the game. In Rock Band 1 there was a group of songs that were pretty obscure similar to this so personally I could care less. I will be downloading them and checking them out.
 
Christ, that's a scenario that some of us were joking about early on - it'll just be a bunch of nobodies and friends of Harmonix stuffed in there.

That's about as disappointing as it gets. You guys all aghast at people being upset are missing the point. Whether a couple of them turn out to be good or not is irrelevant, and it has nothing to do with being "close minded" - this was supposed to be a selling point of the game. A bunch of no-names thrills no one. This is the stuff you bury on the disc somewhere on the off-chance someone gives a shit after they are done with the "name" stuff.

Should have known. No one would pay for this nonsense, so they give it away and act like it's a favor.
 
[quote name='lolwut?']Wow, I just saw Between the Buried and Me amongst the 20 songs.

This list fucking wins[/QUOTE]

Finally someone with taste!!
Although I'd prefer Mordecai, any Between the Buried and Me will work for now...
-Goatman
 
[quote name='JokerCard']Wow, im amazed at the closed mindedness of some of you people. Its free.....You guys shouldnt be complaining.[/quote]

Not to bash you has a person card but I really really hate this logic and I havent even looked at the songs.

When did it start being ok for someone to promise you something and then delivery the lowest quality they can find?

I just find it really strange this logic that I as a consumer is somehow forever indebted to a gaming company even after I gave them money. You make it sound like everyone should be on their knees hoping, wishing, waiting at the feet of a gaming company that a few table scraps will fall our way and when they do we should lap them up with a smile on our faces no matter how shitty it is.

I dont owe them anything, I already showed them my appreciation and thanks by handing them my money.

Free doesnt some how make something above criticism. If you made a shitty movie but you didnt charge people to see it.......its still a shitty movie.

I just dont understand why its somehow not ok to voice your opinion on something just beacuse it doesnt cost a lot.
 
I got the Nirvana pack today, and the first time I played any of the new tracks, the pre-made guy who looks like Kurt Cobain with big sunglasses was the singer.
 
[quote name='MSI Magus']Wow saw you guys saying how good that buried and me song was so just went and youtubed it......ya.....if most of the songs are like that one I wont even bother downloading the damn 20 free songs. One of the reasons iv licked rockband better then GH is it doesnt have nearly as much horrid black/death/ultra metal where the guys think screaming = singing.[/quote]

I don't know what's funnier, the above quote, or the fact that people are still complaining.

Someone said that the free 20 songs was a selling point of the game; I have no idea how. I knew nothing about it before I bought the game, and I think it's pretty safe to say that we all would've bought it, free songs or not.


[quote name='Kyattsuai']I got the Nirvana pack today, and the first time I played any of the new tracks, the pre-made guy who looks like Kurt Cobain with big sunglasses was the singer.[/quote]

Same thing happened to me. I also got a girl with orange/red hair when I played Paramore.
 
It's funny that people are complaining about no name bands (I've only heard of 5 of them) when they haven't even listened to the songs. Some of the most fun songs in the GH and RB series have been from bands I'd never heard of previously.
 
And goddammit X Japan is in there. I never would've imagined Japanese Rock bands making it in so I'm even more sold and screw it I LOVE THESE FREE SONGS! So I would've paid for it.
 
[quote name='PenguinoMF']
Find some decent recordings online so we can listen. These 20 songs were suppose to be songs that were going to be included in the game but they didn't have time to get them done. Bunch of BS.[/QUOTE]
Show me where they said they didn't include them because they didn't have time. I think you assumed that.

[quote name='Tha Xecutioner']Wow. If I had to make a list of the Top 20 Most Shitty songs, that would be my list - from top to bottom.[/QUOTE]

Except, we both know you haven't heard many, if any, of them.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']Show me where they said they didn't include them because they didn't have time. I think you assumed that.[/QUOTE]


http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/888/888781p1.html

And there's more. Harmonix actually wanted to toss in 100 tracks total for the disk, but couldn't get them all in one time to ship for Xbox 360 by September. So this fall, MTV is releasing an additional 20 downloadable master tracks... for free. By year's end this will mean RB fans will have access to more than 500 songs.
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I don't get why people are complaining so much that these are songs you don't recognize. I don't recognize anything off that list either. Sure its disappointing we didn't get 20 hit singles, but they want to sell you those.

The thing is RB is also a medium to discover new music. Who knows, maybe you guys will find a new band you like off that list. I've found a couple new bands through DLC that I've liked after downloading them solely based on thinking the songs have fun charts after watching them on youtube.
 
The songs aren't exactly 'free' if it's all or nothing. Meaning in order to get the song(s) you want, you have to take the song(s) you don't want (and get stuck actually having to play them in Mystery Setlists). That is a 'cost' --- you are consenting to be marketed to and have music pushed on you that you didn't want. Worth quite a lot actually -- in fact that's one of the biggest reasons why MTV bought HMX I am sure.

If you can pick and choose which songs to d/l then my point is moot. However, does anyone really expect this to work that way?
 
[quote name='porieux']The songs aren't exactly 'free' if it's all or nothing. Meaning in order to get the song(s) you want, you have to take the song(s) you don't want (and get stuck actually having to play them in Mystery Setlists). That is a 'cost' --- you are consenting to be marketed to and have music pushed on you that you didn't want. Worth quite a lot actually -- in fact that's one of the biggest reasons why MTV bought HMX I am sure.

If you can pick and choose which songs to d/l then my point is moot. However, does anyone really expect this to work that way?[/QUOTE]
...You can delete the songs you don't want once you've downloaded the pack, just like anything else, I'm sure.
 
I agree with most others that the song list looks disappointing. If the songs were on the disc, it wouldn't be a big deal (I.E. no hard drive space would be required), but since I'm using up hard drive space I'll probably give them a while once and delete them.

I appreciate the "free" tracks, but I guess part of me expected more - it's more my personal expectations than that of Harmonix.
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']Not to bash you has a person card but I really really hate this logic and I havent even looked at the songs.

When did it start being ok for someone to promise you something and then delivery the lowest quality they can find?

I just find it really strange this logic that I as a consumer is somehow forever indebted to a gaming company even after I gave them money. You make it sound like everyone should be on their knees hoping, wishing, waiting at the feet of a gaming company that a few table scraps will fall our way and when they do we should lap them up with a smile on our faces no matter how shitty it is.

I dont owe them anything, I already showed them my appreciation and thanks by handing them my money.

Free doesnt some how make something above criticism. If you made a shitty movie but you didnt charge people to see it.......its still a shitty movie.

I just dont understand why its somehow not ok to voice your opinion on something just beacuse it doesnt cost a lot.[/quote]

Ok maybe I wrong about the "free" comment and complaining, but I still stand that people shouldnt be so quick to judge on these songs. It seems that just because there isnt a band they recognize or a more high profile song, that people are tending to just dismiss the whole list altogether instead. Listen to the songs first and then judge on wether the music is crap.
People should also be more respectful of others tastes in music.
 
has anyone already talked about getting the original rb tracks for cheap? i was thinking of just going to ebgames and buying a used copy to export to rb2...and then returning it later. has anyone else tried this? yes i am ghetto.
 
[quote name='donovanle']has anyone already talked about getting the original rb tracks for cheap? i was thinking of just going to ebgames and buying a used copy to export to rb2...and then returning it later. has anyone else tried this? yes i am ghetto.[/QUOTE]

Just rent the game.
 
Give them a listen here:
http://www.rockband.com/forums/showthread.php?t=93235


While some of these sound fun, I think there is a fundamental problem that both sides are missing. The problem is not that these songs suck, but that the fact they are relatively unknown to most of the general population, makes playing these in a group quite painful. Most people are going to want to play Offspring or "insert other famous band here". So I think this problem needs to be looked at in that light as opposed to just zOmg THeSe Sonzg sux1!1!!1111111
 
[quote name='Rocko']...You can delete the songs you don't want once you've downloaded the pack, just like anything else, I'm sure.[/QUOTE]

You'd better check your facts, in every case there has been a pack it has been all one file and it's all or nothing; you can't delete individual songs from a pack. Unfortunate but that's the way it is. Which means I will be passing on this download completely.
 
[quote name='DarthPuma']
And lol at the guy complaining about BTBAM's vocals. Believe it or not, that shit takes as much talent as regular singing, and should be respected as such.[/QUOTE]

Maybe if it sounded good, it would. For a lot of us that is just noise and takes away from the music. But to each his own.

[quote name='bardockkun']Only complaint about those 20 songs...

NO FREEZEPOP!
[/QUOTE]

So true! Man, I was really hoping they'd be in Rock Band 2.
 
I'm kind of amazed Kutless is on there lol I'm sure no one will like them but we play them here at work. Kudos for Harmonix for at least looking at the Christian music industry, but personally they could have picked something better. At least it's a start!
 
[quote name='eastx']Maybe if it sounded good, it would. For a lot of us that is just noise and takes away from the music. But to each his own.



So true! Man, I was really hoping they'd be in Rock Band 2.[/QUOTE]

Exactly yes it takes talent......but that doesn't mean that talent is worth respecting. A talent is just an ability natural or learned which is something that others cant do or struggle to do. Just because you can do something well that others cant doesnt mean you should be respected for it. I as a kid could thread things through my nose or stick my glasses up my nose so far that the legs dissapeared. Never knew anyone else that could do it(IRL)but that doesn't mean I should be respected for it!

These guttural scream death metal bands can indeed hold screams like others cant and their voice doesn't seem to give in....it is impressive in a way.......but in the same way being able to burp the entire alaphabet is.....not the way holding a perfect pitched note or playing the harp is.
 
[quote name='CombatCraig']I'm kind of amazed Kutless is on there lol I'm sure no one will like them but we play them here at work. Kudos for Harmonix for at least looking at the Christian music industry, but personally they could have picked something better. At least it's a start![/QUOTE]

As long as they are not really preachy I have no problem with them being put in RB, however I think they should have been released as a separate download so people had the option of NOT having Christian music.
 
Those that mentioned Freezepop have the right idea. While it's true that we were told they didn't have time to finish them, why would anyone assume they were big songs? If they were that important, wouldn't they have gotten them done?

Point is... most of use bought RB2 when it came out. We played it endlessly, and surely SOME must have picked up on the complete lack of the normal 'bonus' songs on the disc. If you ever thought these were going to be anything but this, sorry. I always had naive hope, but never really believed they'd give us something for free that they could charge for.

... now, Harmonix is extremely guilty of fostering that 'omg, they're big songs!' thing with the secrecy surrounding this. Had we been told what they were weeks ago, I guarantee we wouldn't see the amount of bitching we are now. Essentially, they hyped these by NOT hyping these, so we speculated and began to assume they were awesome. I also find it shady that they announced the list AFTER the other versions came out, since there's a small number of people that bought it first day because they heard about the extra songs, or at least didn't want to wait and just get it used.

Overall... the amount of bitching about this is both Harmonix's and our fault. If this was the list, they should've just announced it sooner and we should've realized that these would likely be nothing more than the 'bonus setlist' that was missing from the disc. I mean, all their other games had one... why wouldn't this?
 
[quote name='MSI Magus']As long as they are not really preachy I have no problem with them being put in RB, however I think they should have been released as a separate download so people had the option of NOT having Christian music.[/quote]

Well you always have the option of deleting any of these songs for whatever reason you feel lol They're not forcing you to play any of the songs

And I have no idea about this song lol I don't listen to Kutless much

I am excited for Underoath and most excited to see our singer try it out :lol:
 
[quote name='MSI Magus']As long as they are not really preachy I have no problem with them being put in RB, however I think they should have been released as a separate download so people had the option of NOT having Christian music.[/QUOTE]

Nah. Just don't buy it if you aren't interested. I can appreciate not liking religion, but it's kinda silly to have "WARNING: CHRISTIAN CONTENT AHEAD!" y'know?

Personally, I'd rather they focus efforts on not altering lyrics to songs; have they been doing that lately with DLC or songs in RB2? I was so damned busy grading exams yesterday (and looking forward, having 100 or so papers to read this weekend) that I got RB2 in the mail and played 2 songs so far, maybe a total of 15 minutes.

I have to say I'm stupendously disappointed with how boring the drums for "Pretend We're Dead" are. But accurate, I guess. "Rebel Girl" was surprisingly fun for me, though - and in both cases, I'm big fans of the songs, so it's not like liking one and disliking the other had an impact on enjoying the gameplay.

Oh, I know the lyrics won't let it happen, but I'd love DLC for "Suck My Left One" or "Double Dare Ya." Please?
 
[quote name='007']
Overall... the amount of bitching about this is both Harmonix's and our fault. If this was the list, they should've just announced it sooner and we should've realized that these would likely be nothing more than the 'bonus setlist' that was missing from the disc. I mean, all their other games had one... why wouldn't this?[/QUOTE]

Exactly. If the list of songs was posted on the site where your registered the code, there wouldn't have been this big build up and inevitable letdown.
 
This could also be a cool chance to learn about new bands.

Thanks to RB1 I found out I like the Mother Hips, and listening to few clips of these new songs not all of them are horrible. Unknown but not horrible.
 
[quote name='CombatCraig']This could also be a cool chance to learn about new bands.

Thanks to RB1 I found out I like the Mother Hips, and listening to few clips of these new songs not all of them are horrible. Unknown but not horrible.[/quote]

Here is the thing though. Even though I am utterly outnumbered on Cheap Ass Gamer but let me tell you something. 90% of the world, doesnt want their musical awareness heighten or expanded.

I know on CAG its "cool" to know the most obscure crazy ass band and post videos on them but I am telling you most of the world doesnt give 2 shits about your super thrash metal emo pop J-punk rock group.

They simply dont. They want to play the songs that are popular and that they grew up with and can dance or have fun to.

And I am not saying either one is bad, with music everything is very subjective all I am saying is that there is a lot of middle groud. A lot of people like music but dont care enough to find any joyment in random band # 75 because they want to listen to a song that everyone knows and can have fun to.


But we have already stated this is par for the course as every one of their games had a list of crazy ass bands no one cared about. They should have really just posted the list so that casual music fans can insantly ignore a list of no bodies while the hardcore fans can gloat to their friends about how they had this unknown band in their mp3 player before it was in rock band.
 
[quote name='AlohaMars2']While some of these sound fun, I think there is a fundamental problem that both sides are missing. The problem is not that these songs suck, but that the fact they are relatively unknown to most of the general population, makes playing these in a group quite painful. Most people are going to want to play Offspring or "insert other famous band here". So I think this problem needs to be looked at in that light as opposed to just zOmg THeSe Sonzg sux1!1!!1111111[/QUOTE]True... I'm primarily thinking of these songs as a free bonus for single-player. I won't expect anyone to pick them when I've got people over, especially if we've got a vocalist (the only band member who really needs to be familiar with a song in order to play it well). But if it's just me playing with guitar, it's always nice to have more variety. I mean sure, I was hoping for a "let's stick it to Guitar Hero" pack of blockbuster songs, but I'll still take it.


[quote name='mykevermin']Personally, I'd rather they focus efforts on not altering lyrics to songs; have they been doing that lately with DLC or songs in RB2? I was so damned busy grading exams yesterday (and looking forward, having 100 or so papers to read this weekend) that I got RB2 in the mail and played 2 songs so far, maybe a total of 15 minutes.[/QUOTE]Generally they've got radio/video versions of songs in there (You Oughtta Know, Man In The Box with "buried in my pit," etc.), kinda like "Creep" in RB1. For songs that didn't already have a clean version available (a lot of Blood Sugar Sex Magik tracks for example) it sounds like they just mute the vocal track in certain spots.
 
[quote name='porieux']You'd better check your facts, in every case there has been a pack it has been all one file and it's all or nothing; you can't delete individual songs from a pack. Unfortunate but that's the way it is. Which means I will be passing on this download completely.[/QUOTE]
But when you purchase a pack, the individual songs are also marked as purchased, so you're free to delete the pack then download the individual songs you want. Since these 20 songs will more than likely me up for purchase eventually, you could do that.

Although I personally think it's all beside the point because they're free anyway. I can't see how anyone could complain.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Personally, I'd rather they focus efforts on not altering lyrics to songs; have they been doing that lately with DLC or songs in RB2? [/QUOTE]

They aren't changing the content of the lyrics but they are obviously blocking out the F-bombs and "shit" in songs or using radio edit versions. "Sleepwalker" by Megadeth for example is seemingly about dreaming about murdering someone in different ways and is really not edited at all.
 
I love the irony of people on a website called Cheap Ass Gamer complaining about free things. I know some of you people have thousands of 48 hour trial codes from the Tropicana thing. :D

I'm not too excited about this list either, but we'll see. Also I don't get why anyone could be so mad at them putting country in. It will get more people to buy the game, which really means in the long run you'll probably get some more of the rock DLC that you do want. It's a win-win-win solution.
 
[quote name='lionheart4life']They aren't changing the content of the lyrics but they are obviously blocking out the F-bombs and "shit" in songs or using radio edit versions. "Sleepwalker" by Megadeth for example is seemingly about dreaming about murdering someone in different ways and is really not edited at all.[/QUOTE]Yeah, it's worth noting that they don't go all MTV-like when it comes to editing "violent" content. They don't take "cut yourself" out of Polly or anything like that.

It seems like they are more strict with sexual innuendo, as I believe RHCP's Sir Psycho Sexy got chopped up quite a bit (although I suppose its possible that, if a "raunchy" song doesn't have any cuss words, they might not go to the trouble of editing and just let the whole thing through).

I think it would be nice if they actually coded the game to play "clean" vocal tracks based on your console's family settings. That way it would play unedited tracks by default, but if you've got family settings enabled you could have it mute the cuss words.
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']Here is the thing though. Even though I am utterly outnumbered on Cheap Ass Gamer but let me tell you something. 90% of the world, doesnt want their musical awareness heighten or expanded. [/quote]

lol, where did that figure come from. Anyways, that's kind of beside the point. Very few people buy Rock Band or Guitar Hero and know every single song in the game. They may not be set out to expand their taste, but I'm sure everyone who plays the game does somewhat.

They release packs for fun and to give people what they want, yes, but they also release them to get bands exposure. It may not be the case for everything (it's not like Nirvana is unheard of), but for packs like this one, or the ones that come out when a new album (Disturbed)/tour (Motley Crue) does, it is.

Like others have said, if you thought this was going to be some gold mine of amazing content, that's your fault, not Harmonix's. They wouldn't give something for free when they could easily charge for it.
 
I'm kind of indifferent on this "COUNTRY IS COMING TO ROCK BAND!!" thing. I'm all for expanding what's available there as long as it's at least loosely associated - meaning save the rap for Hip-Hop Hero or whatever. Country is fine. I probably wouldn't be buying but it doesn't hurt the game for me or anything (although if they throw some Cash or Hank III in there I'm all over it). I'm concerned they'd just go with the current glossy pop-country shit for DLC though...in that case it's not even worth the effort, in my opinion.


Again, I'm going to have to disagree with the people saying the 20 tracks are "free." You can't get them unless you pay for the game to get the code. At the very least it's a grey area, so I don't see why people aren't allowed to complain.
 
[quote name='KaneRobot']

Again, I'm going to have to disagree with the people saying the 20 tracks are "free." You can't get them unless you pay for the game to get the code. At the very least it's a grey area, so I don't see why people aren't allowed to complain.[/quote]

I agree with this also.

I guess it just boils down to your own personal standard. If your standard is measured by simply having more songs in the game then of course 20 free songs is great. But if your standard is measured by how much use and enjoyment you get out of each song than this list might as well have never existed.

But as a consumer you have a right to complain beacuse they used this as a marketing ploy to sway more people into buying the game. They could have easily have never mentioned a secret list of songs and just added them to the store as they came out. But no they went out of their way to inform people that there were free songs coming especially when they knew that the songs they were going to released were not going to be that popular.

This kinda of reminds me of when MSoft said they would everyone a free XBL Arcade game when XBL was down for like a week. Everyone was happy and excited until they found out it was Undertow.:whistle2:#
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']I agree with this also.

I guess it just boils down to your own personal standard. If your standard is measured by simply having more songs in the game then of course 20 free songs is great. But if your standard is measured by how much use and enjoyment you get out of each song than this list might as well have never existed[/QUOTE]

I agreed with you until the last point. The enjoyment of a song is found in playing it and hearing it. "Pretend We're Dead" is a classic song, but an absolute goddamned bore to play on the drums.

The jury's out on how fun these songs are, but I'll side with y'all Milton Friedman "there's no such thing as a free lunch" cats.

As for country, I'll wait to see it. "Boot Up Yer Ass" Toby Keith? No thanks. "Cocaine Blues," OTOH? (Yeah, right!) Awesome. Throw some traditional country in there and I'm on it like neckbone. Hell, put some good fuckin' classic rockabilly in there, too. At least that satisfies the "rock" part, right?
 
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