Starcraft 2: Legacy of the Void

[quote name='The Crotch']I can accept the weaker Colossi - wasn't a huge fan of the fragile fuckers, anyway - and more expensive Observers suck, sure, whatever, I'll deal, at least they're lower in the tech tree now, but...

The one and only thing that really has me scratching my head is the Dark Templar nerf. They're an expensive (125/125) unit that barely got used anyway, from what I could see (based on my watching videos only, again, don't have a beta key). I've got no idea why you'd want something that hardly gets used to take longer to build and to cost more, but hey, I ain't Blizzard.[/QUOTE]
They are extremely strong, people don't generally use them though cause they are sort of late game. And games rarely go TOO long.
 
Eh. They already cost more and were harder to build than in SC1 (having their own building separate from the High Templar) before the patch. They certainly have great potential for use given the decrease in Zerg detection and the addition of Terran Mules to reduce scan likelihood, but it's still an odd decision to me. I'm eager to actually play the damn game to see if all this theorycrafting holds true, but... eh.

And, uh... I dunno about "extremely strong". They're still the fragilest 125/125 motherfuckers around, even if they do one-shot workers.
 
Yea, but if you can't see them they are devastating. They are probably the best at destroying structures. Probably cost more so you cannot amass them early.
 
[quote name='DarkNessBear']Yea, but if you can't see them they are devastating.[/QUOTE]Yeah, that, uh... that's kinda their point. [quote name='DarkNessBear']They are probably the best at destroying structures. Probably cost more so you cannot amass them early.[/QUOTE]
Well, I'd argue that with a few specific cases aside, if you're using DT against buildings, you're probably doing it wrong, but that's neither here nor there. What I'm saying is that yes they're powerful, and yes they're invisible, just as they always were. But they're also more expensive and harder to tech to (being split from the High Templar) than they used to be, and every bit as fragile.

I'm assuming, based on my awesome powers of Wild Guessing, that the nerf to DT was based on some internal Blizzard testing. Maybe there was a way that Protoss could just get them too damn early and kill large numbers of drones with minimal risk. Maybe their own experimentation found that the changes made were the best way to stop that while still giving them a window of effectiveness before Observers/Overseers become common. Maybe, maybe, maybe.

Maybe we'll get Corsairs back next patch! Wouldn't that be bitchin'?
 
[quote name='The Crotch']Maybe
fuck you, key-having key-haver!
[/QUOTE]
I said clearly that I had a key to give out. And you said nothing, I would have totally given it to you. You seemed like you had one.
 
[quote name='BattleChicken']If I got in the beta, and I got a *friend* code, I would give it to a friend. Thats just me.[/QUOTE]

Agreed, possibly swap for something, but selling is rediculous. Same reason I've never been able to sell my EQ/EQ2/UO/WoW accounts I've been through.
 
[quote name='whoknows']I know you've all been waiting, and now the day has finally come. Someone gave me a beta code![/QUOTE]

Sell it on craigslist. :)
 
Does anyone know if we can still get the keys? I was late to the party because at first SC2 beta didn't interest me. When the beta was announced, I was just working through my backlog and I figured "Hey, I'll just wait for the game!" but I really can't wait anymore. I've watched all of HD Starcraft's commentaries in the past 3 days. I really need to play this damn game.

Edit - And it seems like I'm going to need to buy some sort of fan for my laptop to run this game. It already runs too hot when I watch movies... SC2 will kill it.
 
Everyone should check your battle.net accounts. It seems a new wave of invites were given out randomly and there were no email notifications. No Joke.
 
Hmm, I do have a key on b.net. Or at least it'll let me download the client.

I dunno if this was because of the new wave or because my brother said his friend would get me a key. Eh. So who can I play with now?

I'd also still rather play BW.
 
[quote name='kainzero']Hmm, I do have a key on b.net. Or at least it'll let me download the client.

I dunno if this was because of the new wave or because my brother said his friend would get me a key. Eh. So who can I play with now?

I'd also still rather play BW.[/QUOTE]

Looks like you got in with the new wave...
I however... am still :cry:.
 
[quote name='KhaosX']Looks like you got in with the new wave...
I however... am still :cry:.[/QUOTE]

I really thought you were joking and was about to quote you and say "har har." Just my luck that I don't get one... *sigh* I'm just going to play BW for today so I can get my SC fix. Where owuld the key be in my account though?
 
From what I've read, it would appear on your battle.net account as if you added it as a game previously. A lot of people were skeptical about it and thought it was a April fools joke themselves, until they actually downloaded it and logged in...
 
I don't have a "key" key, it just appears as another game and would let me download the client. Not that I can test it right now since I'm at work.

DarkRider23: I'll play you BW tonight. =)

I'm still sour over losing to "The Crotch" in a game where I forgot to research siege tech. Also in that game, I accidentally left one SCV on gas instead of using three.
 
Man, my timing was perfect too. Those mines came in exactly where I wanted, which means I knew you were gonna get obs, and since I had my natural up and running, it was just a matter of (easily) beating back the push before my 110 food push.

But no, Siege Tech wasn't out yet. I don't know if I forgot or if it was because I accidentally hit ESC on the shop or the factory and 309wyhasdocnsdoa;hgowefty0weyaw0
 
Indeed. You had me rather worried, there.

Rah! We are mighty Zealots! We hu- oh shit, Vultures, need Goons.

Rah! We are mighty Dragoons! For vengea- oh fuck, mines, need Obs.

How many tanks did you have when I showed up, anyway?
 
I think I had 3 or 4 tanks.

After that game I wanted throw my keyboard against the wall.
I didn't get that far but I definitely smashed my fist against the keyboard.
 
Patch 7!
  • TERRAN
    • Banshee
      • The health has been increased from 130 to 140.
    • Missile Turret
      • The damage has been changed from 7+7 armored to 12.
    • Thor
      • Anti-Air damage has been decreased from 10+6 light to 8+4 light.
      • Anti-Air attack now deals splash damage in a 0.5 radius.
  • PROTOSS
    • High Templar
      • The Psi Storm radius has been decreased from 2 to 1.5.
    • Photon Cannon
      • Life and Shield values have been increased from 125/125 to 150/150.

  • ZERG
    • Broodlord
      • Damage has been decreased from 25 to 20.
    • Roach
      • Organic Carapace no longer grants bonus regeneration to unburrowed roaches.
    • Spine Crawler
      • Damage has been increased from 20+10 armored to 25+5 armored.
      • Attack period decreased from 2.2 to 1.6.
    • Spore Crawler
      • The cost has been decreased from 100 to 75.


Bug Fixes

  • Fixed an issue in which players would desync when matched against others with certain CPUs.
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Highlights: Changes to Terran anti-air. Missile turret damage up by five, but they no longer get +7 against armoured. Thor AA now does significantly less damage, but deals splash damage. Protoss photon cannons are significantly beefier, but the psionic storm radius is now 25% smaller. Zerg Brood Lord damage and Roach regeneration got nerfed, but their static defences are now stronger and cheaper.
 
Ugh, Didn't get a key during this wave of invites either :(
I don't think blizzard likes me, but hopefully someone on CAG does ;)

Still looking for a key if anyone has one to spare. (Will be able to trade something)
 
[quote name='DarkNessBear']Lol @ Thor dmg debuff. Their only good thing was their Anti Air, but now they got nothing.[/QUOTE]
it shreds mutas

it's like a siege tank for mutas
 
Bah.. still no beta key...

I'm sufficiently annoyed by that. I registered for the beta the day it was announced, and have every game that they allow you to register (War 2 BNE isn't register-able by the way) attached to my account. I suppose I'm just really unlucky.
 
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[quote name='kainzero']it shreds mutas

it's like a siege tank for mutas[/QUOTE]

Giving it splash damage more than makes up for a damage drop. I completely agree with you.
 
[quote name='kainzero']see, i already finished a game. a STANDARD game.[/QUOTE]

Ehh.. it isn't as though Brood War is known for it's multi-hour games.

From my experience with the beta (which I'm not a part of) it does feel like certain units have such a limited scope that they're useless in practical play - Even the seldom used units in brood wars have a clear and evident purpose, and can be used for SOMETHING useful in almost any game.
 
well, that game lasted all of 10 minutes.

average game in BW is 20 min.
usually there's a lot of guerilla tactics in BW, dropping, laying mines, expanding, harassing.
all the games in SC2 i've played have all led to one decisive drop/battle/harass/cheese, it's never back and forth and it's almost impossible to come back.
 
We are in beta afterall. I expect the game to get a complete overhaul by official release.

Also just out of curiousity, other than SC, War3/FT, Diablo2/LoD and WoW, what else is there to register?
 
^I think those are all off the games you can register.

Still wanting to play :( hopefully they do another wave of friend invites haha
 
Remember when everyone said Terran was underpowered? Now everyone says they're overpowered!

I'm finding it hard to do something other than 3M though. I've also been playing some 2s with my friend who Randoms and all I do is 3M. Everything else seems like cute tricks, but in the end it all returns to 3M.
 
Whats 3M Kain? I'm Not in the beta, so i'm not up on this hip SC2 lingo.

They changed the Gas:Vespine ratio in the most recent patch.. that's it right?
 
3M = Marine, Marauder, Medivac.

Patch 8:
General
  • Korea
  • Added support to display the game rating information on the login screen.

Balance Changes
  • TERRAN
    • Thor
      • Build time decreased from 75 seconds to 60 seconds.
    • Siege Tank
      • Build time decreased from 50 seconds to 45 seconds.
    • Marauder
      • Concussive Shells now require an upgrade.
    • Barracks Tech Lab
      • Concussive Shells upgrade added.
      • Concussive Shells upgrade costs 100/100 and takes 80 seconds to complete.
  • PROTOSS
    • Void Ray
      • Changed to only have 2 damage levels instead of 3. Still takes the same amount of time to fully charge.
      • Base damage changed from 2 (+4 armored) to 5.
      • Powered-up damage changed from 8 (+16 armored) to 10 (+15 armored).
      • Armor value decreased from 1 to 0.
      • Cost increased from 200/150 to 250/150.
  • ZERG
    • Roach
      • Burrowed move speed decreased from 2 to 1.4.
      • Armor value decreased from 2 to 1.
    • Hydralisk
      • Life decreased from 90 to 80.
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Highlights: Thors and tanks build faster. The Marauder's "slowing effect" must be researched. Void Rays re-tooled. Roaches weakened again, and Hydras lose 10 HP.

My thoughts: faster mech and "weaker" Marauders are nice to see. I'm totally indifferent to the Void Ray changes. Roaches losing 1 armour could be pretty god damn big, and god DAMN are those Hydras ever fragile.
 
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[quote name='The Crotch']3M = Marine, Marauder, Medivac.

Patch 8:

Highlights: Thors and tanks build faster. The Marauder's "slowing effect" must be researched. Void Rays re-tooled. Roaches weakened again, and Hydras lose 10 HP.

My thoughts: faster mech and "weaker" Marauders are nice to see. I'm totally indifferent to the Void Ray changes. Roaches losing 1 armour could be pretty god damn big, and god DAMN are those Hydras ever fragile.[/QUOTE]
i dunno.

i don't like having thoughts without endless play testing.
so many people bitching on TL.net and they haven't even played it yet.

now that i think about it...
i'm pretty sure i won all my games on the fact that i can macro faster than the opponent...

gogo 200apm
 
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