Surprisingly The Last Movie You Saw Didn't Suck Pt. 2

I'm always amazed that people managed to look past Christian Bale's COPD Batman voice to the point where they can champion this film as one of the greatest of all time. If you have a great film with maybe terrible lighting would people still recognize it's greatness? What if you have a fantastic story but terrible actors? It's almost enough to make me believe in individual aspects of film. Maybe there is a difference between direction, acting, and producing.
 
I almost forgot about the terrible lighting... Man even in 1940s Noir movies I could see what the hell was happening, and movies these days, ugh. Batman bear voice was a major turnoff.
 
[quote name='moon_knight']Am I the only one who didn't like Amazing Spiderman? I thought it was dull.[/QUOTE]
If you could go into a little detail we could have a small discussion about it.
I'm somebody that only enjoyed the first Spider-Man from the original trilogy.Something to keep in mind I guess.
 
Wanderlust - Paul Rudd and Jennifer Aniston were good. Alan Adha was good too. I was also happy to see some alums of "The State". Overall, this movie had me cracking up at several parts.
 
[quote name='evildeadjedi']21 Jump Street - It was a fun movie. I loved the cameo, probably best one since Zombieland.[/QUOTE]

Heh, the cameo was awesome.
 
[quote name='Nifty_Shark']If you could go into a little detail we could have a small discussion about it.
I'm somebody that only enjoyed the first Spider-Man from the original trilogy.Something to keep in mind I guess.[/QUOTE]
The movie didn't add anything new to the origin story, and even had similar scenes to the Raimi movies. The Lizard wasn't a good villain and I didn't like this interpretation of Peter Parker. Could have used some more action too.
 
[quote name='DestroVega']How can people discredit Batman in quality of the film because of how Batman's voice sounds? That's ridiculous.[/QUOTE]

When you're in a state-of-the-art IMAX theater with ear-splitting sound, and you still can't figure out what the actors are grunting from time to time, that might be a problem.

I think it's incredibly arrogant that Nolan used the grumbly Batman and the wheezy Bane after folks complained mightily about grumbly Batman during Dark Knight and wheezy Bane following the teaser release for TDKR. At some point he should have accepted criticism.

Anything that takes you out of the experience and makes you focus on some nonsense is valid criticism. It doesn't make a movie bad, per se, but it might keep it from being master-class. I liked TDKR, but it's not exactly Goodfellas. And if Ray Liotta and Robert Deniro mumbled through Goodfellas the way these guys do in TDKR - it wouldn't be remembered so fondly.

But then again, there's a lot of nonsense happening in TDKR to keep it from being a great movie as opposed to just a very good superhero movie.
 
^ that's all your opinion though. I thought it was a great movie, regardless of genre, and understood 95% of what was said. Batman I can hear totally clearly, Bane sometimes got muffled. If anything I thought the score sometimes drowned out vocals.
 
Normally wouldn't even comment on this, but the "Yogi Bear" movie is on cable and it's an absolute disaster. Don't understand how movies this bad even get made.
 
[quote name='DestroVega']Normally wouldn't even comment on this, but the "Yogi Bear" movie is on cable and it's an absolute disaster. Don't understand how movies this bad even get made.[/QUOTE]


its a kidde cash grad imo. they know the film will suck but even when it does they will still sell games and toys and then do a deal with mcdonalds or burger king to advertise it with their shit kids meals.

even really shit movies can make decent money when you look at all the diff directions they take them. kids are pretty dumb these days and parents love to give them what they want.
 
I haven't seen the new Batman, but the voice in the first two didn't bother me. I understood everything and it made sense to me - if he used his normal voice while in the suit wouldn't people who talked to Batman and Bruce Wayne figure out that Batman was Bruce Wayne pretty quickly?

Except that he should have just used his normal voice when speaking to people who already knew his secret identity, like Lucius Fox.
 
[quote name='Backlash']I haven't seen the new Batman, but the voice in the first two didn't bother me. I understood everything and it made sense to me - if he used his normal voice while in the suit wouldn't people who talked to Batman and Bruce Wayne figure out that Batman was Bruce Wayne pretty quickly?[/QUOTE]

You ever see Superman? Dude puts on glasses and he's instantly unrecognizable.
 
[quote name='Wolfkin']I'm always amazed that people managed to look past Christian Bale's COPD Batman voice to the point where they can champion this film as one of the greatest of all time. If you have a great film with maybe terrible lighting would people still recognize it's greatness? What if you have a fantastic story but terrible actors? It's almost enough to make me believe in individual aspects of film. Maybe there is a difference between direction, acting, and producing.[/QUOTE]
I still think they should have gotten Kevin Conroy to do a voice over for Batman, and have Bale do Bruce's voice. It still sounds silly IMO, like he's a kid trying to scare someone.
 
[quote name='bburpee']When you're in a state-of-the-art IMAX theater with ear-splitting sound, and you still can't figure out what the actors are grunting from time to time, that might be a problem.

I think it's incredibly arrogant that Nolan used the grumbly Batman and the wheezy Bane after folks complained mightily about grumbly Batman during Dark Knight and wheezy Bane following the teaser release for TDKR. At some point he should have accepted criticism.

Anything that takes you out of the experience and makes you focus on some nonsense is valid criticism. It doesn't make a movie bad, per se, but it might keep it from being master-class. I liked TDKR, but it's not exactly Goodfellas. And if Ray Liotta and Robert Deniro mumbled through Goodfellas the way these guys do in TDKR - it wouldn't be remembered so fondly.

But then again, there's a lot of nonsense happening in TDKR to keep it from being a great movie as opposed to just a very good superhero movie.[/QUOTE]

I could understand Batman just fine. Bane there were a couple lines I couldn't understand, but 99% of it was fine.

It would be weird if he suddenly didn't use the Batman voice in this movie after using it in the first two.
 
[quote name='Backlash']I haven't seen the new Batman, but the voice in the first two didn't bother me. I understood everything and it made sense to me - if he used his normal voice while in the suit wouldn't people who talked to Batman and Bruce Wayne figure out that Batman was Bruce Wayne pretty quickly?

Except that he should have just used his normal voice when speaking to people who already knew his secret identity, like Lucius Fox.[/QUOTE]
If you'd seen TDKR you'd know that even his big boy voice isn't enough to throw everyone off the trail.

Seriously, the people of Gotham must be completely stupid. To not even speculate that it could be Bruce is ridiculous. How many people in Gotham have the resources to even be Batman? Sheesh.
 
[quote name='Backlash']I haven't seen the new Batman, but the voice in the first two didn't bother me. I understood everything and it made sense to me - if he used his normal voice while in the suit wouldn't people who talked to Batman and Bruce Wayne figure out that Batman was Bruce Wayne pretty quicky?[/QUOTE]

That was one of the things that bugged me in the 89-97 films. Bruce Wayne and Batman sound exactly the same, so despite what he sounded like, I appreciate Bale putting in the effort to distinguish the two.
 
[quote name='tcrash247']You ever see Superman? Dude puts on glasses and he's instantly unrecognizable.[/QUOTE]

Yeah and it's stupid as hell. My favorite part of Superman II, and I think it's not in the Donner cut, is when he's in front of Lois, and to reveal himself to her, he simply takes his glasses off and she faints. lol. Ridiculous.
 
[quote name='DestroVega']Yeah and it's stupid as hell. My favorite part of Superman II, and I think it's not in the Donner cut, is when he's in front of Lois, and to reveal himself to her, he simply takes his glasses off and she faints. lol. Ridiculous.[/QUOTE]

HA! I don't remember the Superman movies much, but that's gold.
 
[quote name='DestroVega']Yeah and it's stupid as hell. My favorite part of Superman II, and I think it's not in the Donner cut, is when he's in front of Lois, and to reveal himself to her, he simply takes his glasses off and she faints. lol. Ridiculous.[/QUOTE]


if thats the one with zod hell fucking yeah that is the best superman movie to date. crazy to think he played a tranny with mr smith but yeah zod was awesome. it always annoyed me they never did that whole bit properly in smallville. that line "Kneel before zod" is fucking epic imo i could see tell him that while pushing into his head and shoving him to his knees.
 
[quote name='moon_knight']The movie didn't add anything new to the origin story, and even had similar scenes to the Raimi movies. The Lizard wasn't a good villain and I didn't like this interpretation of Peter Parker. Could have used some more action too.[/QUOTE]
Uhu. I'll agree with you that the reboot is pointless. However, I do like this Peter Parker (as well as the old one) as I can't really quite figure him out. The main enemy didn't bother me. None of the enemies in the previous movies did it for me though so that's nothing new (Old man Osborne was great when he wasn't in his suit). Without spoiling anything it looks like this series could have much more to say about Peter's origin with the after credits scene. There was some goofy Hollywood moments that could have been removed though it seems all superhero movies are reluctant to do that. I'm talking about the buildup to Peter getting to the Oscorp tower.
Last thing I want to say is that I like the tone of this movie more than the other Marvel movies building up to The Avengers. The Amazing Spiderman is more Dark Knight than Avengers and for me personally that is a very good move.
 
Amazing Spider Man. Holy shit this movie was boring. Maybe 20 minutes of stuff that I haven't already seen in the previous movies. I did like the new wise cracking Spider Man for future installments, but to see the origin again just felt like a waste.
 
[quote name='DestroVega']How can people discredit Batman in quality of the film because of how Batman's voice sounds? That's ridiculous.[/QUOTE]I disagree. I think a single glaring problem CAN reduce how people view the film. If you want to say it's not a problem then fine we have differing opinions. But a horrible voice could totally ruin the film. For the record while I definitely don't like it and agree he sounds like a 10 year old trying to scare someone. I don't think the voice is ruining the films. just taking them out of the Top Ten GOAT category.

[quote name='bburpee']I think it's incredibly arrogant that Nolan used the grumbly Batman and the wheezy Bane after folks complained mightily about grumbly Batman during Dark Knight and wheezy Bane following the teaser release for TDKR. At some point he should have accepted criticism.[/QUOTE]This is the point I've been trying to argue with my sister for about 4 years now about the film industry. Who says it's Nolan's fault? Maybe it's Bale being arrogant.

[quote name='Backlash']if he used his normal voice while in the suit wouldn't people who talked to Batman and Bruce Wayne figure out that Batman was Bruce Wayne pretty quickly?

Except that he should have just used his normal voice when speaking to people who already knew his secret identity, like Lucius Fox.[/QUOTE]To the Lucius Fox point. Part of the deal with Batman is that he himself is a bit crazy. As in psychotic. So I don't have to listen to the director's commentary or watch the DVD extra to figure that at somepoint someone decided that Bruce in the suit literally can't help but us the Batman voice. It's like he has a dissociative identity.

To the recognition part. If we can be realistic here for a moment. I don't think they would. His voice isn't particularly distinctive and part of the mythos is that Batman is neigh on mythical at certain points in the story. I argue that Bruce Wayne's voice isn't like Bobcat Goldthwait or Gilbert Gottfried. I think it's perfectly reasonable that given the fact that a) most people would NEVER suspect Wayne b) most people aren't chummy with the city's rich billionaire playboy and c) when Batman's around it's generally the surprise of your lackadaisical life, for most people to never make that connection. Also as a point of order. I don't think anyone is against a "Batman voice" we just think it's stupid for him to sound so scratchy. Like he's TRYING to disguise his voice. He should just be a different voice.

[quote name='Clak']I still think they should have gotten Kevin Conroy to do a voice over for Batman, and have Bale do Bruce's voice. It still sounds silly IMO, like he's a kid trying to scare someone.[/QUOTE]a dream that would never have come true. Plus I'm sure that would have ballooned the budget even more with Conroy's cost and the cost to ADR an entire character. Plus we need to start getting used to other voices for Batman. Conroy is a G no doubt, but with Hamill out as Joker maybe it's time for a new talented voice to emerge?
 
[quote name='Wolfkin']
This is the point I've been trying to argue with my sister for about 4 years now about the film industry. Who says it's Nolan's fault? Maybe it's Bale being arrogant.
[/QUOTE]
You can't blame Bale for Bane sounding like an English professor reanimated at a "Clone Wars" droid villain.

Right off the bat (heh) folks complained about Bane's voice, and $200m in box office later, even the staunch defenders admit they couldn't tell what the flock he was saying at points.

And for the record, I never said I couldn't make out what Batman or Bane were saying... but at times trying to understand their garble distracts me from watching the movie, seeing the $250m worth of budget, or checking out Catwoman's ass. It's like watching Crouching Tiger - it's a fantastic movie and shouldn't be dubbed, but you miss something that's going on while reading subtitles.

The fact that folks get defensive about it is silly. Nolan did whatever he wanted with the creation of Batman and Bane - changing mythology, costumes, major events... it was his stupid decision to use the voices he did. He's the director.

And I would argue the long layoff between action would be a prime reason for Batman to stop deep throating by TDKR. Besides - who the heck does he even talk to? It's not like Batman is out making speeches to the public. If he says five words to you, you're probably going to need your jaw wired in a few minutes anyhow. The posters who say his voice is part of his psychosis are close to the mark, but it could have been done in such a way that half the population wasn't annoyed.

Voices matter. Ask Jar Jar Binks.
 
Batman Begins and The Dark Knight.

Didn't get a chance to rewatch them before seeing The Dark Knight Rises, but wanted to watch them before seeing it again in Imax hopefully next week. Have to get a good ways outside the city to hit the real Imax, as the one in the city is one of the smaller digital ones rather than true Imax.

I love all three of the movies, not sure which I'd rate at the top of the trilogy.

As far as the voices, Batman's has never bothered me at all. Bane's wasn't as bad as I expected. Only a couple times I wasn't sure what he said. Much better than in the Prologue they put out before changing the voice some. Still could have been clearer for sure though. But didn't affect my rating of the film since I understood almost everything fine. Sucks for those who couldn't though.
 
Saw Superman/Batman Public Enemies. Entertaining if I bought for $5 at the Best Buy sale. I found it too much crammed with characters and the plot was just absurd, made even more apparent by the wacky suit Luthor wore in the Silver Age. I loled at how Luthor wanted sexy time with Amanda Waller more than Power Girl.
This review said it stayed too close to the comics, and maybe that's why I didn't like the movie that much.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Paul. Thought it sucked. Boring and not funny.[/QUOTE]

1. it was not boring.

2. it was funny.

3. it is british and not american so i can c y u didnt like it. u probably call black people n******* 2 (i can say that word my dad is black so shut uP)

we have a racialist in here, folk. and this not a witch hunt. the proof is here.
 
[quote name='Caleb_Bradham']1. it was not boring.

2. it was funny.

3. it is british and not american so i can c y u didnt like it. u probably call black people n******* 2 (i can say that word my dad is black so shut uP)

we have a racialist in here, folk. and this not a witch hunt. the proof is here.[/QUOTE]

Paul was pretty terrible. If you were a movie you'd be Paul as you both display a lack of effort. Hot Fuzz and Shaun of The Dead are a couple of my favorites but Paul just comes nowhere close to either of them.
 
Drive - It was a good film overall. However, it was much different than I thought it would be.
What was with the over-the-top violence? Hendricks head getting blown off in the hotel, the head stomping in the elevator, etc.
The driving was good, but I was disappointed with how little there was.
 
[quote name='Caleb_Bradham']1. it was not boring.

2. it was funny.

3. it is british and not american so i can c y u didnt like it. u probably call black people n******* 2 (i can say that word my dad is black so shut uP)

we have a racialist in here, folk. and this not a witch hunt. the proof is here.[/QUOTE]

Hilarious.


Drive is a good movie, most people who don't think so now will see it again in ten years and appreciate much more.
 
Watched Modern Times since I watched it forever ago. My god, Chaplin is a god damn comedic genius.


Then i watched The Last Days of Disco, Kate Beckinsale plays a really good bitch in that movie, music was nice but movie itself felt deflated by the end, though I have to say I loved a good portion of it.
 
[quote name='evildeadjedi']Drive -
What was with the over-the-top violence? Hendricks head getting blown off in the hotel, the head stomping in the elevator, etc.
.[/QUOTE]

unnecessary and completely off the mood of the movie. Didn't even really make sense considering how sweet they were trying to make the character look. Big gripe with that movie for me. I honestly busted out laughing at those scenes and it totally took me away from the experience. Music was decent enough to try and make you forget about it, but still.
 
[quote name='ShockandAww']Paul was pretty terrible. If you were a movie you'd be Paul as you both display a lack of effort. Hot Fuzz and Shaun of The Dead are a couple of my favorites but Paul just comes nowhere close to either of them.[/QUOTE]

Yep. I love those two and was hoping Paul would be similar.

But it wasn't at all like those. Just typical dick and fart jokes of a lot of recent lame comedies.
 
I thought it was pretty funny personally. Especially the repressed Christian girl they pick up, she stole the movie. I'm sure that ruffled a few feathers in some areas of the country.
 
Agreed with the rest of the "Paul sucks" crowd. Just a terrible movie, not well thought out at all, and really not funny. All the character designs and costumes looked like some producer's idea of what nerds/cops/aliens look like, and the progression of events was awful.

Plus, Seth Rogen's voice casting might be the worst single incident of botched celebrity voicing in recent memory. He brought literally nothing to the character except Seth Rogen as an alien. If you found that concept hilarious, you probably liked Paul. The rest of us were left with something that wouldn't make it through a commercial break on TNT.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Yep. I love those two and was hoping Paul would be similar.

But it wasn't at all like those. Just typical dick and fart jokes of a lot of recent lame comedies.[/QUOTE]

The major missing piece from Paul- Edgar Wright.
 
When Seth Rogen is part of a movie what do you expect?

Paul was disappointing. I know it would be more disappointing if I saw it again.
 
Notorious, directed by Alfred Hitchock (of course). I almost fell asleep watching this espionage film, and then as it ceased to be about spying, it was a pretty intriguing romance. Cary Grant's character is an idiot. Sigh.
 
The A-Team

Finally watched it this weekend. Never watched an entire episode of the show, just pieces of several so I might not "know" what the whole thing is about but I thought it was a pretty awesome, kick-ass movie. Just wished I had a surround system to really enjoy it. I thought it was in the same league as The Expendables. A good, 80's action flick.

The only part that I really didn't think was necessary was
Jackson's whole "I'm not going to kill" part of the movie. Not sure why they did that. If they would of just kept up with him killing mofos, I think that would of been a better choice.

But other than that, I really enjoyed the movie.
 
[quote name='VipFREAK']When Seth Rogen is part of a movie what do you expect?
[/QUOTE]

He's been in numerous good movies.
 
I thought Paul was mildly entertaining. I mean, yeah, it's obvisouly not nearly as good as the Edgar Wright films with Pegg and Frost, but I still had a few chuckles. It was by no means a downright superb comedy, but it did have its moments.

Rewatched Captain America: The First Avenger, and having seen it for a fourth time now, I think it's my personal favorite Marvel film behind The Avengers.
 
Maybe Paul wasn't up there with Hot Fuzz but I enjoyed it. I thought it was a pretty good movie. I expected it to suck. I was surprised.
 
Paul was the least clever piece of shit I've seen in a long time. Struggling to stay awake just to see poorly executed homages to past alien films, a poorly explained twist, and have Sigourney Weaver shout homophobic slurs?
 
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