Tax junk food to pay for health care

People don't realize that food is just matter. Matter that fuels your body. Nutritional value should come first with taste coming in second. There about 10 foods you should be eating regularly with other stuff in moderation.

The 10 foods you should be eating are

Chicken/turkey
Lean beef
fish
eggs
Bananas
Brown Rice
Sweet potato
Oats
Leafy greens
 
[quote name='Strell']I saw we tax people more likely to get hit by meteors because of their abnormally large heads. We'll start with Sean Penn.[/QUOTE]

I believe that Sean Penn's death of choice is rectal cancer.
 
[quote name='bvharris']Let's cut to the chase and tax the stupid since they have a better chance of falling through open manholes.[/QUOTE]

This is all a subversive attack on gay people, isn't it? Admit it, you.
 
[quote name='budsmoka']People don't realize that food is just matter. Matter that fuels your body. Nutritional value should come first with taste coming in second. [/QUOTE]

Realizing that food is matter and caring about what your food tastes like are not mutually exclusive.

I know this might be hard to believe (at least for you apparently), but some people's vision of what makes life enjoyable is different from your own. I personally think caring only about what nutrients a food has and not how it tastes would make life exceptionally dull, but if you feel differently than more power to you.

[quote name='Strell']This is all a subversive attack on gay people, isn't it? Admit it, you.[/QUOTE]

No homo, bro.
 
[quote name='bvharris']Realizing that food is matter and caring about what your food tastes like are not mutually exclusive.

I know this might be hard to believe, but some people's vision of what makes life enjoyable is different from your own. I personally think caring only about what nutrients a food has and not how it tastes would make life exceptionally dull, but if you feel differently than more power to you.



No homo, bro.[/QUOTE]

Funny thing is my body now craves thous foods and I love how they taste. I also get sick now just thinking about salty chips, greasy burger or sugary soda.
 
[quote name='bvharris']Drinking beer, smoking cigarettes, eating junk food - What do these things have in common that being short doesn't share?

Hint: It rhymes with voice.[/QUOTE]

Choice, eh?

But... poor people don't have a choice! They have to eat unhealthy foods because they don't have the time and money to do otherwise. Or something.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']Choice, eh?

But... poor people don't have a choice! They have to eat unhealthy foods because they don't have the time and money to do otherwise. Or something.[/QUOTE]

I never said I agree with that, and I believe this thread has pretty thoroughly debunked it.

Like I said, I'm not sure where I fall on the fat tax, but in general I think it's a good idea. But I'm a Massachusetts Liberal, we never met a tax we didn't like. :D
 
[quote name='budsmoka']People don't realize that food is just matter. Matter that fuels your body. Nutritional value should come first with taste coming in second. There about 10 foods you should be eating regularly with other stuff in moderation.

The 10 foods you should be eating are

Chicken/turkey
Lean beef
fish
eggs
Bananas
Brown Rice
Sweet potato
Oats
Leafy greens[/QUOTE]

Says you. That's your "pursuit of happiness" (you know, that little thing called the constitution that was written to ensure that exists for everyone?).

If someone's happiness is to eat cans of Chili non-stop, and they don't care if it kills them because it makes them happy - that's not your business. When they get diabetes and require treatment, that's not your business.

Just like when you injure your favorite cock-hand while weight lifting, and require medical treatment, that's none of his business, or when you ruin your lungs from inhaling too much herbal smoke and need to go to the hospital, that's none of his business.

If your entire argument is that we need to tax choices that might end up costing society more, it's pretty easy to justify taxing the shit out of you, or anyone.
 
[quote name='budsmoka']People don't realize that food is just matter. Matter that fuels your body. Nutritional value should come first with taste coming in second. There about 10 foods you should be eating regularly with other stuff in moderation.

The 10 foods you should be eating are

Chicken/turkey
Lean beef
fish
eggs
Bananas
Brown Rice
Sweet potato
Oats
Leafy greens[/QUOTE]

You read too much Men's Health man. Imagine you spent the time doing research on something worthwhile, like curing cancer or something, but you're wasting all this time on fitness and smoking weed.
 
[quote name='bvharris']I never said I agree with that, and I believe this thread has pretty thoroughly debunked it.[/QUOTE]

This three page thread on CAG hasn't debunked studies done into linking junk food and poverty in the US. Beyond costs, the time involved is a major factor. Pretend you're a single mother of two. You're poor, just worked an 8 hour shift, just picked up the kids from their after-school baby sitter and now have to feed them. Do you A.) Fix a healthy dinner, creating a mess of dishes, pots and pans with the food you didn't have time to go to the grocery store to get between your two jobs and that the kids are going to whine about because no one likes veggies or B.) swing by McDonald's and get Happy Meals?

Oh, the Happy Meals come with a toy to shut the kids up. And you might win $1,000,000 with that Monopoly ticket! That'd help pay the mortgage and credit card bills.
 
Maybe "thoroughly debunked" was a bit strong, but you're also stretching the point I was trying to make a good deal further than I was taking it in order to make your point.

There are plenty of people who are poor and still manage to eat healthy, many of them with families. I don't for a second doubt that there's a correlation between social class and the proclivity for bad food, there clearly is.

I'm not, however, convinced that the status quo is unchangeable. And no, I don't have a silver bullet to fix our nation's health problems.
 
[quote name='budsmoka']Just made some birchen fried rice and the shit is actually good for you too. Feels good man.[/QUOTE]

Yes I would think you'd have an affinity for eating wood.
 
[quote name='budsmoka']I am fine with socialized healthcare, it seems to work in most of the world.[/QUOTE]
Not trying to be a dick but I have to call bullshit on this...Name a country in this world where it truly works. The closest country to having properly run socialized health care is Canada and even their system is so screwed up most of their wealthier folks come to the USA when they need life or death medical procedures. Having come from a socialist country I can tell you socialism just doesn't work.
 
Ah, so moderation comes into play when it impacts you directly, but it gets thrown out the window if it's something you don't do.

How trite.
 
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Enjoy being disrespected on the internet.
 
I can say with complete honesty that I'd rather be morbidly obese and intelligent than perfectly fit and...well whatever the hell you are.

But that's right, fat people are stupid.
 
[quote name='Strell']
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Enjoy being disrespected on the internet.[/QUOTE]

Aww dude thats sweet thanks man. I'm gonna post it on /v/ and get a bunch of new xbl friends.
 
[quote name='Clak']I can say with complete honesty that I'd rather be morbidly obese and intelligent than perfectly fit and...well whatever the hell you are.

But that's right, fat people are stupid.[/QUOTE]

Why not be smart and fit? Its not that hard bro.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']I can't stand clean up time. I can't stand dishes. Cleaning up from cooking a decent meal usually takes nearly as much time as cooking it. I'd usually choose to starve or wait to eat out or at someone else's house than make a mess I know I won't clean up.

To compensate for this I buy an awful lot of disposable dishes, but I am sure that negates the 'savings' you might get from not eating out quite a bit.[/QUOTE]

Do you not have a dishwasher?

I rinse plates and shit off and throw them in there. Run it once a week or so since it's just me.

Only things I'll wash are big pots and pans that take up too much room in the dishwasher. And that takes like 2 minutes.
 
[quote name='bvharris']Realizing that food is matter and caring about what your food tastes like are not mutually exclusive.
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Also caring about eating healthy and taking care of yourself and carrying about food tastes are not mutually exclusive.

Very healthy meals can still be tasty, and for most there's no harm in having a couple cheat meals a week where you eat whatever you want.

I generally eat very clean and healthy at home, but worry less about it the couple times I eat dinner out with the girlfriend.

Too many people just put no effort into caring about what they eat at all. One doesn't have to be some health nut like this budsmoka douche, nor be such an asshole about it, but people should take ownership over their health and watch what they eat and keep their body fat at a reasonable level.
 
[quote name='Sk']Not trying to be a dick but I have to call bullshit on this...Name a country in this world where it truly works..[/QUOTE]

Taiwan.

Tax is lower than here, and my girlfriend get's all types of stuff done for free or little cost when she goes back home for 2 or 3 weeks--so there are no long waits etc.

France's system is pretty decent as well.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Too many people just put no effort into caring about what they eat at all.[/QUOTE]

I often wonder about that. Part of me thinks that people don't accept the aggregated effects of daily meals. They know McD's is bad for them, and frozen pizzas and the like - but think they'll work it off later or something.

Alternately, we tend to delude ourselves into thinking "salad" is healthy, when the American salad is covered in ranch, baco's, cheddar cheese, and hardboiled eggs.

Alternately, I'm trying to think what I want for dinner tonight. Thinking sushi, but what do y'all suggest?
 
I'll probably just have vegetable soup tonight. Not a lot of food in the house as I haven't went to the store this week since I'll be in out of town for a week starting tomorrow.
 
People put bacon on fucking everything. I don't get it.

I dunno what I'm gonna eat tonight, nothing particularly healthy I'm sure. Maybe a mushroom veggie burger with a samosa or something else. Tomorrow is frozen pizza day (it's a veggie pizza! That means it's good!), then maybe over the weekend we can make some paneer curry. Should work some more veggies in there.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Alternately, we tend to delude ourselves into thinking "salad" is healthy, when the American salad is covered in ranch, baco's, cheddar cheese, and hardboiled eggs.

Alternately, I'm trying to think what I want for dinner tonight. Thinking sushi, but what do y'all suggest?[/QUOTE]

Yea, I never get salads unless they have vinaigrette/vinegar. Ranch is nasty. A single hard boiled egg isn't really bad for you though.
 
[quote name='SpazX']People put bacon on fucking everything. I don't get it.
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Co-signing. There's so little food I've had where bacon honestly enhances it. Here's a silly comic that more or less gets at the idea.

I think outside of filet mignons and certain appetizers (that I try to avoid to begin with), I can't think of much.

Also agree with myke re: salad. People think the word itself helps, and is going to combat all the bad stuff people slather into them. Lettuce has no nutritional value. I started making mine with spinach leaves and slowly adding different vegetables. Works for me.
 
[quote name='SpazX']People put bacon on fucking everything. I don't get it.
[/QUOTE]

Definitely a prime example of how disgusting american food/eating habits are!

[quote name='elessar123']Yea, I never get salads unless they have vinaigrette/vinegar. Ranch is nasty. A single hard boiled egg isn't really bad for you though.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, same. Either that or some kind of fat free dressing. Or a salad with some mandarin oranges, craisins etc. in it that doesn't even need dressing.
 
[quote name='Strell']Co-signing. There's so little food I've had where bacon honestly enhances it. Here's a silly comic that more or less gets at the idea.

I think outside of filet mignons and certain appetizers (that I try to avoid to begin with), I can't think of much.

Also agree with myke re: salad. People think the word itself helps, and is going to combat all the bad stuff people slather into them. Lettuce has no nutritional value. I started making mine with spinach leaves and slowly adding different vegetables. Works for me.[/QUOTE]

Spinach, unfortunately, isn't that great for you raw either. Try steaming it for a minute first.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Yeah, same. Either that or some kind of fat free dressing. Or a salad with some mandarin oranges, craisins etc. in it that doesn't even need dressing.[/QUOTE]

Carl's Jr has a salad with mandarin oranges, craisins, and vinaigrette lol. The Kim Kardasian commercial one.
 
[quote name='budsmoka']Aww dude thats sweet thanks man. I'm gonna post it on /v/ and get a bunch of new xbl friends.[/QUOTE]

Considering that the gamertag below your avatar doesn't even match the one in your sig (and seems to not exist), there's at least a pretty good chance you won't even get that.
 
[quote name='budsmoka']Well get off ur ass and prove me wrong fat ass.[/QUOTE]

How about you shut your mouth unless you have cold hard facts to prove it? Correlation does NOT imply causation. In case you don't understand, I can break that down for you.

1. A may be the cause of B.
2. B may be the cause of A.
3. Some unknown third factor C may actually be the cause of both A and B.
4. There may be a combination of the above three relationships.
5. The "relationship" is a coincidence or so complex or indirect that it is more effectively called a coincidence.

Are you then saying that if an overweight person goes on a diet, their IQ will increase? Is there an actual definitive study proving that either is directly caused by the other? Pro tip: "Suggests" isn't definitive.
 
Yeah, I have issues with people who don't take care of themselves--but there's definitely no causation between weight and intelligence. Probably even not much correlation.

I know plenty of SUPER smart people who are extremely overweight. They work all the time and just make excuses for not having time to eat well and exercise etc. Or they just don't care as they just care about their work and little else.

And I know plenty of thin people who are health buffs, work out obsessively etc. but are about as sharp as a sack of hammers and didn't even graduate college (or even high school in a couple cases).
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']
I know plenty of SUPER smart people who are extremely overweight. They work all the time and just make excuses for not having time to eat well and exercise etc. Or they just don't care as they just care about their work and little else.
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A lot of times that IS the excuse, and it's not actually a terrible one. I am not nearly in as good shape now as I was in college (though I'm far from extremely overweight, being tall is a blessing), nor do I eat as well - though I try. The fact is that I work so much that it really is hard to find time. I think as long as people make some effort to stay active (for example I manage and play for my company softball team) than I don't hold anything against them.

Sometimes there's just not enough time in the day. Could I be in fantastic shape if I took my gaming time and devoted it to exercise? Sure. But I really think there comes a point where you have to just decide to do what you enjoy, even if it's not always the best choice health-wise.

Edit: Being in a longterm relationship doesn't help either, especially for guys. Which leads to an unfair double standard, but it is what it is.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Definitely a prime example of how disgusting american food/eating habits are!



Yeah, same. Either that or some kind of fat free dressing. Or a salad with some mandarin oranges, craisins etc. in it that doesn't even need dressing.[/QUOTE]

Think that's disgusting? I saw a fat woman put her hamburger in a chocolate shake at Mcdonalds. I guess the grease just isn't fattening enough anymore.
 
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