The 2008-2009 NBA Season Thread

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I only really got to see the last few minutes of the Lakers game since I was working on some stuff, but man... Game 5 aside, this team has not looked like a championship team in this round. Then again, Boston didn't look like a championship team in the first couple rounds last year, and they kicked ass in the Finals, so who knows what will happen.

I'm still confident that LA will win game 7, but it's far from a given. I'd put the Lakers' chances no higher than 60%. I give Houston all the credit in the world, too. The Lakers are a better team than the Rockets on paper even with McGrady, Yao, and Mutombo in the lineup, but right now Houston is downright depleted. These guys have a ton of heart.

I didn't see the Magic/Celtics game, but watching some post-game interviews, I'm starting to agree with Shaq that Stan Van Gundy is not cut out to lead a team toward a championship. The fact that the Magic have played this well under him is a testament to the talent on that team.

KOBE DOIN' WORK:

Kobe Bryant transcends his sport like only a few before him have done. This basketball prodigy entered the league at age 18 and quickly began to rack up accolades: Slam Dunk champion, NBA All-Star, NBA Champion, Olympic champion and League MVP among others. His on-the-court exploits have been well documented, yet few have been able to witness what it's like for Kobe on game day. Directed by film and cultural icon Spike Lee, get inside the locker room and inside the mind of this enigmatic superstar for a never-before-documented look at how Kobe prepares for and plays in one of the biggest games of the season. With unprecedented access, Spike covered the day with over 30 cameras and had Kobe mic'd up throughout the entire game providing the most-complete and intense look at the Laker superstar both on-the-court and off.

I was surprised no one mentioned this. It premieres at 8 Eastern on ESPN on Saturday. Should be interesting. Will anyone else be watching?
 
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While watching the Rockets/Lakers game it seemed to me that when jostling for position Kobe bumped Artest's chin causing him to bite his tongue or something. The over reaction drew the tech were there was none though.
 
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KOBE DOIN' WORK:



I was surprised no one mentioned this. It premieres at 8 Eastern on ESPN on Saturday. Should be interesting. Will anyone else be watching?[/QUOTE]

I am surprised Lakers fan believe that anyone outside of LA give a flying fuck about Kobe. Especially enough to watch some show strictly about him.

And this is not to be mean at all but I dont know of a single other person that is less cared about by the general public yet more talked about.

Half the time I get the feeling that many many of these so called laker fans are simply just Kobe fans. Because I dont remember them the 3 years after Shaq left when Kobe was on sub .500 team that was getting embarrassed every other night.

And of course I am not trying to shit on Kobe at all. We all know how much of a superstar and one of a kind player he is. But simply put...he is not a likable guy. He has no where near the charisma and business sense that Jordan has and no one outside of the NBA really cares what he does.
 
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KOBE DOIN' WORK:



I was surprised no one mentioned this. It premieres at 8 Eastern on ESPN on Saturday. Should be interesting. Will anyone else be watching?[/QUOTE]

Watched it while I was tuning my fixie and it was just meh meh, nothing really special about though it was so hyped with Spike Lee directing it and everything.

[quote name='Soodmeg']I am surprised Lakers fan believe that anyone outside of LA give a flying fuck about Kobe. Especially enough to watch some show strictly about him.

And this is not to be mean at all but I dont know of a single other person that is less cared about by the general public yet more talked about.

Half the time I get the feeling that many many of these so called laker fans are simply just Kobe fans. Because I dont remember them the 3 years after Shaq left when Kobe was on sub .500 team that was getting embarrassed every other night.

And of course I am not trying to shit on Kobe at all. We all know how much of a superstar and one of a kind player he is. But simply put...he is not a likable guy. He has no where near the charisma and business sense that Jordan has and no one outside of the NBA really cares what he does.[/QUOTE]

People give a shit about Kobe because they either love him, hate him, or they're just the average person who follows headlines.

And yeah, I totally agree with you about the Kobe/Laker fan thing. People just started bandwagoning and supporting the Lakers once they got better and Kobe went MVP-like. It reminds me of a couple years back when Golden State dominated the Mavs in the first round of the playoffs. I've been a Warriors fan since I was grew up in the Bay, and all of a sudden you get loads of people saying "We Believe" when they can't even name all of the starters. Sad stuff, but it's just how it is. Think of all the people who loved the Bulls when His Airness ran the league.

I don't even compare Kobe to Jordan.. they're in too different leagues in my opinion. Jordan is godlike on the floor. Though I'm a LeBron hater, I think he has more Jordan-esque moments than Kobe.

Funny story, I remember when I was in fourth grade I named my black lab pup Kobe. I kinda feel bad for him now. Good thing he's in a better place now.
 
Man, it would be something if the Rockets beat LA. God just imagine what Lakers fans would be saying? I think the Lakers are already a disappointment in the post season because they dont even come close to comparing to the Cavs.

Come on Rockets win one for the kipper.
 
Rockets vs Cavs, well that wouldn't even be a challenge no would watch b/c it would over so fast. I'm not a big fan of the Celtics but if they beat the Cavs I would laugh so hard
 
Like I said before.. Cavs should be taking the title this year unless they screw up big time. The only teams I see giving a run for them money are the Lakers and the Nuggets (with they way they're playing now).

Lakers/Rockets is starting now! Let's see a Rocket blow-out. :lol:
 
To be honest the lakers are very very lucky.

The rockets are just completely lost out there. They have no idea what do to while being down so many superstars. Its the biggest catch 22 when you have a go to guy in Yao and then surround him with defensive guys. It works wonders while he is there but the second he goes down your team just sputters around.

I dont even think the Lakers are playing the good either, most of the Rocket turnovers are completely unforced or bail out passes from attacking guards. They need to just try to out run the lakers at this point. Attack, attack, attack and maybe you can get some people in foul trouble.

Huston, you can simply charge fate for your loss. Missing, Yao, Mutumbo, T-Mac (even he would help) is just plain unlucky. I would love to see how this series would have turn out if they were all their and healthy.

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EDIT: What a horrid call on Kobe. Somehow fouls Hayes as the ball gets stripped? Waaaa?
 
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[quote name='Soodmeg']Man, it would be something if the Rockets beat LA. God just imagine what Lakers fans would be saying? I think the Lakers are already a disappointment in the post season because they dont even come close to comparing to the Cavs.

Come on Rockets win one for the kipper.[/QUOTE]

Not to sound like a ass but, do you really hate the Lakers that much? It seems like you hate the Lakers with a passion because almost every post i read from you, you are saying something negative about the Lakers and wishing they would be eliminated.

The Lakers stomped all over the Rockets! Up by as much as 30+ at one point.

Good Job for the Lakers finally closing out the Rockets :applause:
I got really tired of seeing the Rockets over and over again. They should have been eliminated since game 6.
 
Well stick a fork in the C's, Pruitt, TA, Mikki, and Bill Walker are all on the court. At the same time. Cats and dogs are indeed living together.
 
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This year it was a question of whether they'd win 1 round or 2. All it takes is a single injury to derail anyone's season. They really only got into their offense in the 3rd quarter and went away from it, stopped moving the ball. An 8 man rotation only works for so long when half of them are role players.

A veteran team with that level of talent would've finished off the Celtics sooner. They let the Celtics back into a lot of games and allowed them to keep it close for a while tonight.

I was impressed with the job Perkins did on Howard, but he did nothing offensively today. Ray Allen really stepped it up and fought through that hamstring injury, but it still limited his ability to get open.
 
[quote name='Dynasty1756']Not to sound like a ass but, do you really hate the Lakers that much? It seems like you hate the Lakers with a passion because almost every post i read from you, you are saying something negative about the Lakers and wishing they would be eliminated.

The Lakers stomped all over the Rockets! Up by as much as 30+ at one point.

Good Job for the Lakers finally closing out the Rockets :applause:
I got really tired of seeing the Rockets over and over again. They should have been eliminated since game 6.[/QUOTE]

There are reasons but I definitely dont hate the lakers.....they are far from my favorite team but I dont hate them.

[quote name='dafoomie']This year it was a question of whether they'd win 1 round or 2. All it takes is a single injury to derail anyone's season. They really only got into their offense in the 3rd quarter and went away from it, stopped moving the ball. An 8 man rotation only works for so long when half of them are role players.

A veteran team with that level of talent would've finished off the Celtics sooner. They let the Celtics back into a lot of games and allowed them to keep it close for a while tonight.

I was impressed with the job Perkins did on Howard, but he did nothing offensively today. Ray Allen really stepped it up and fought through that hamstring injury, but it still limited his ability to get open.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, both the Rockets and the C's were kinda screwed this year. Nothing can you do when you loose that much talent going into the play offs. They both played really well to even get to the the level they were at.

Its hard enough to loose a superstar on your team but when that superstar is a defensive powerhouse as Yao and Garnett are is goes 2 fold. There is only so much coaching you can do. The best thing about the C's is that they really know what their role players can do now. They can find new roles with Davis and Perkins that should help them greatly when KG comes back.
 
I was really hoping that the Celtics would win that one. Seeing the Cavs knock of the defending champs on the way to the finals really would have been the better scenario.
 
[quote name='Dynasty1756']Not to sound like a ass but, do you really hate the Lakers that much? It seems like you hate the Lakers with a passion because almost every post i read from you, you are saying something negative about the Lakers and wishing they would be eliminated.

The Lakers stomped all over the Rockets! Up by as much as 30+ at one point.

Good Job for the Lakers finally closing out the Rockets :applause:
I got really tired of seeing the Rockets over and over again. They should have been eliminated since game 6.[/QUOTE]Let's see if the Lakers can get past a team without three key players in suits.
 
[quote name='Gentlegamer']Let's see if the Lakers can get past a team without three key players in suits.[/QUOTE]


This times a million. Seriously, its not that I really dislike the Lakers, I dislike most of the fans. Laker fans have the most chance of having no idea what they are talking about but are apparently die hard laker fans. Now I of course am not saying all Lakers fan (actually most on CAG are pretty good) but all the ones I run into. Since LA is one of the biggest Markets there are more kobe bandwagoners posing as NBA fans which is annoying.

They also seem to never remember when Shaq was elbowing and traveling his way to 3 championships and almost half of them were not even around the 3 years after when the Lakers were missing the playoffs and getting embarrassed by other teams.

Although I am not trying to take anything way from the Lakers...I just hate how their fans think they just poofed into existence winning championships.

Come on Dynasty. Can you really be proud of how the Lakers played that series? They played horrid the entire time. You let a team missing 3 superstars take you to 7 games....with Kobe taunting his way through all of them like he was really doing something.

Even the last game wasnt really a laker blow out it was a inexperience shell of a rockets team trying desperately to produce when the heart of the team was gone. Its great defense when the other team starts getting into the 16-20+ turnover range, thats just one team not focused.


The lakers have some huge flaws and Denver is a hungry team who is healthy lets wait until the Lakers can blow them out before clapping for them.

I pick Denver in 6. Cavs in 6 also.....Magic can steal 2 games it seems.
 
[quote name='BigSpoonyBard']That's my problem. I grew up watching the Lakers, and will always be a Lakers fan at heart. I want to see them win, but at the same time, I'm sick and tired of the way they are playing. They absolutely don't deserve to win it.[/QUOTE]


See. Spoony is a reals lakers fans. Why cant their be more of you. Tell your parents to open the factory back up.
 
I hate the deserve argument/comment. No one team deserves a championship over the other. Whoever plays the best in the playoffs wins it. fuck all this deserves shit.
 
Of the last three teams left, the worst possible scenario came true. I'm sure the NBA is thrilled.

On the bright side, at least the Wolves have a decent pick to add alongside Big Al.
 
So, is it more likely that Blake Griffin is a bust due to getting drafted by the Clippers, or that he leaves LA after 4 years and then explodes into superstardom?
 
I have like super swine flue or something so I missed everything from the last 2 days.

Clippers winning the draft is fucking hilarious and I know their are many a owner that is super pissed about it. I am hoping for a draft day super trade or something, no one wants to see the Clippers ruin a career.

The Denver/La game was a good one. I only caught the high lights and it seems like a good battle. Lets see if the lakers can keep up this type of play and not put it into cruise control half through the series.
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']This times a million. Seriously, its not that I really dislike the Lakers, I dislike most of the fans. Laker fans have the most chance of having no idea what they are talking about but are apparently die hard laker fans. Now I of course am not saying all Lakers fan (actually most on CAG are pretty good) but all the ones I run into. Since LA is one of the biggest Markets there are more kobe bandwagoners posing as NBA fans which is annoying.

They also seem to never remember when Shaq was elbowing and traveling his way to 3 championships and almost half of them were not even around the 3 years after when the Lakers were missing the playoffs and getting embarrassed by other teams.[/QUOTE]

I 100% agree with this. Laker "fans" at games just get under my skin. I was so annoyed last night during the game hearing the crowd chant "MVP" to Kobe. The part that really got me about that is, aside from the MVP race being over for the year, most L.A. fans were the ones ripping Cleveland for supporting Lebron during the MVP race. But I agree, it seems the most of the Lakers fans on here have some intelligence and common sense when it comes to their team, so I applaud that.
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']I have like super swine flue or something so I missed everything from the last 2 days.

Clippers winning the draft is fucking hilarious and I know their are many a owner that is super pissed about it. I am hoping for a draft day super trade or something, no one wants to see the Clippers ruin a career.

The Denver/La game was a good one. I only caught the high lights and it seems like a good battle. Lets see if the lakers can keep up this type of play and not put it into cruise control half through the series.[/QUOTE]
The Clips winning the draft is terrible. I was rooting for my hometown Wizards to win it but meh. The Lakers game was good Melo played his ass off but once again Kobe lifts the Lakers into a win. I hope the Lakers can step up the defense and win this in 6. I hope that now Melo gets the respect he deserves.
 
I really hope the Lakers figure out a way to get in the paint. Denver pretty much closed them off and so the big guys had limited effectiveness.

What annoyed me the most was seeing how much Denver was out-rebounding the Lakers. When Melo is pulling down boards with your big guys around him, something is wrong.

I was glad to see Fisher pull through. Even though he didn't have big numbers, he made big shots, and I've been waiting to see that from him, his usual self :)

That game had me going from start to finish. I didn't even leave my seat when commercials came on, I didn't want to miss any of the action :p
 
Only 2 of the last 44 top 10 picks by the Clippers have been complete bust. The clippers are one of the worst run franchises in all of sports. They have inept ownership, Gm, coaching and to a lesser extent players.

Just look at the whole shit storm that was the Baron Davis (Elton Brand? I cant remember who the 2nd person was) from last summer was. They have less than 5 winning season since like 1981. They are simply a plague,



Now, its about game time. All I have to say is........good luck Hedo, have fun guarding Bron Bron.
 
Well, there has to be a turnaround at some point. This past season they were decimated with injuries. Any team with the same amount if injuries, I'd doubt they do any better. Actually, injuries have been the new Clippers thing these past 3-5 years rather than the bad FO that we've all attribute to the Clippers. No, the FO has been doing a fairly decent job.

The "shit storm" you speak of is hardly the Clippers' fault. Baron signed thinking Brand was going to resign. Brand fucked up and look what karma did to him. Stuck on a team that does better without him-- thus turning into an overpaid, maybe even overrated, player.

I'm not arguing that their a good franchise or the best franchise, I'm just saying, look, there's reasons to think that the Clippers can succeed and that Blake Griffin can turn things around. I just don't get why people wish the Clippers the worst...
 
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

The fucking Cavs are insane. I seriously do not know of another team that can bring this much fire to a game. I think they are unstoppable as long as Bron is healthy. He is simply a monster talent wise but its the intangibles that make him unstoppable.



EDIT: Response for Shin.

Its not that I think most people wish them the worst, I think people feel bad for the player and are disappointed that they will never see a stand out player true talent as a result of being on such a shitty team.

Hey, I know how it feels man....I am a god damn Detroit Lions fans. We are currently killing Calvin Johnson career and though I love the fact that he is on our team I would love to see him leave and actually be on a good team.
 
[quote name='shinryuu'] I just don't get why people wish the Clippers the worst...[/QUOTE]
Probably because Sterling deserves all the failures he gets. His personal traits aside, he obviously doesn't know what he's doing with an NBA team.

I don't have any ill will towards Clipper players, generally, but the good ones are victims of their environment.
 
You know, the cavs look pretty damn tired actually. Wonder if they can grind this one out.

I dont understand why the Cavs are sinking so god damn much on drives. The magic are a 3 point team and
I doubt that they have the speed to beat all of the Cavs players of the dribble. Stay home and let Bron roam the area, Mo William, West, Wally and rest and to stay on their damn guy and deny passes. None of them are shot blockers...hell none of them can even alter a shot really so there is no need to fill the lane.

Other than that, the Cavs role players need to step up, 5 bench points are not going to cut it this deep into the play offs.

Lets see if Bron Bron can win this game for them.

EDIT: What the hell is up with Bron just holding the ball and jab stepping for 10 seconds every time down the court?
 
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Ok, ok. Those pump then jump into the defender calls are getting into the bullshit range. I understand that you should punish the defender for jump but...if the defender is clearing trying to avoid all contact and the offensive player is the one that makes first contact than I dont think you can call it.

Hedo just seemed to go way out of his way to make contact with Andy on that shot.
 
UPSET CITY!

The cavs just looked damn tired actually. That and everyone not named Bron sucked ass that game. Mo missed so many wide open shots he should be ashamed.

The bench really needs to step it up for the next couple games. I know of some guys who need to stay after practice for some added shooting.
 
Didn't see that coming.

Those jump into defender calls have always been BS. The League better do something about that before next season, we can catch that crap watching soccer.
 
[quote name='shinryuu']Well, there has to be a turnaround at some point. This past season they were decimated with injuries. Any team with the same amount if injuries, I'd doubt they do any better. Actually, injuries have been the new Clippers thing these past 3-5 years rather than the bad FO that we've all attribute to the Clippers. No, the FO has been doing a fairly decent job.

The "shit storm" you speak of is hardly the Clippers' fault. Baron signed thinking Brand was going to resign. Brand fucked up and look what karma did to him. Stuck on a team that does better without him-- thus turning into an overpaid, maybe even overrated, player.

I'm not arguing that their a good franchise or the best franchise, I'm just saying, look, there's reasons to think that the Clippers can succeed and that Blake Griffin can turn things around. I just don't get why people wish the Clippers the worst...[/QUOTE]

It actually is the Clippers' fault. Well, the ownership's anyways. Years and years of mismanagement have left them little to be proud of. Anytime they get some good young players, they mess it up royally. They'd rather pinch pennies to death than put together a contending team. Being drafted by the Clippers is essentially a kiss of death. On the plus side, if Griffin does end up any good, he'll be playing for a real team in a couple years :lol:

[quote name='Soodmeg']Ok, ok. Those pump then jump into the defender calls are getting into the bullshit range. I understand that you should punish the defender for jump but...if the defender is clearing trying to avoid all contact and the offensive player is the one that makes first contact than I dont think you can call it.

Hedo just seemed to go way out of his way to make contact with Andy on that shot.[/QUOTE]

Reason #1 why I never liked Reggie Miller. His stupid leg kick got him so many freebies it was sickening. If the offensive player creates the contact, either make it a no call or an offensive foul.

Great first two games of the conference finals. Hopefully the series will keep up the intensity.
 
[quote name='BigSpoonyBard']It actually is the Clippers' fault. Well, the ownership's anyways. Years and years of mismanagement have left them little to be proud of. Anytime they get some good young players, they mess it up royally. They'd rather pinch pennies to death than put together a contending team. Being drafted by the Clippers is essentially a kiss of death.[/QUOTE]
Now I can't get the Raiders out of my head, screw you Al Davis!!! :lol:
 
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