The Al Snow Wrestling Thread

[quote name='cdubb1605']4. i do believe WWE dropped the ball, bringing adamle out before and having him sit ringside just takes away from the "surprise" attitude they were going for.[/quote]

Dumbfounded seems more like it.

6. jericho talking about being a grown-up with spiked frosted hair makes him impossible to take seriously.
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At least he's not wearing that rather corney as hell outfit he had when he made his return. The spiked frosted hair is an major step up from that. ;)

7. 2 weeks til one of the "big four PPV's" and the "A-show" doesnt have a title match.
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We all know that it won't matter who CM Punk faces. The match will be buried in the midcard, be given at best 10 minutes, and will be forgotten about by the end of the night.

8. i hope adamle being the RAW gm is a way to put styles back on ECW.
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Instead we'll get.... Todd Grisham. Nothing against Todd since he does an fair job on Fox Soccer Channel during MLS games. I just don't know how capable he is of calling one match let alone carry an entire brand on commentary. We'll see.
 
Regal stole his outfit from the Fabulous Moolah i think...

However, he more than made up for it with busting Punk open and that nasty looking suplex (dragon suplex? i think)


And yeah, Katie Lea's move on Mickie outside the ring looked quite painful
 
Raw thoughts - Mike "the NEW VOICE OF EXTREME" Adamle as Raw GM - I love this, as he's a perfect heel who acts like a face. However, the crowd seemed to die when that announcement was made, which took some excitement out of the Cena-Batista match announcement. Very boring show overall, as it didn't have much wrestling on it, and most of what was there wasn't good (although Punk-Regal was grooving along nicely until the last 30 seconds or so were largely missed due to technical problems). I also wasn't happy with the switching of the tag title opponents, although it did make some degree of storyline sense later on.

Jericho's promo and video package showcasing what he was ashamed of were great. I don't see anything touching Jericho-HBK as the feud of the year, and much of that has been due to Jericho doing such a good job playing a serious character. Him completely renouncing his goofy past is a good move, and leads me to wonder if they'll change other parts of his act.

Very...odd...show. Not altogether horrid, but also not very great either, despite some good things happening on it. It didn't do much to make me want to see either Summerslam or SNME, and I came out of the show with less desire to see Batista-Cena than I had before it.

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ok, this stuff still doesn't make sense!

shane says a new GM is going to be selected....TONIGHT!

king and cole start out the show

JBL is backstage with shane discussing his match

king and hacksaw cole have a tag match

cole is injured

out comes admale - I was called up here

a full match later and JBL comes out, and then leaves after a match

out comes JR - I was also called up here

backstage segment occurs with grisham - rules out him being GM

at the end of the show, admale is announced to be the GM



You see how confusing that crap is?!?!??! You basically have 4 people who were commentators at one point and one person that could fill in asking about the new GM. And then it was the way Shane announced the GM....all anti-climatic. Whatasnooze!

*FANTASY BOOKING ALERT*

I would have had the Cole match near the end of the 1st hour. That way it could draw ratings for the 2nd hour. Throw that women's wrestling stuff in that slot. Then, leaving the conversation with Shane/JBL in place, I would have had Admale and JR come to the ring before the match to "take over" for King/Cole. That would have made sense instead of having no announcing. They could have stuck to the "I don't know why I'm here" shit.

THEN, after Cole is injured, Admale could have went to the ring to "check" on him. Kind announcers do that, right? WRONG! he could have announced right then and there that he was the new GM and he just wanted to see Cole get beat up. Instant cheers for Admale!!!! He could then go to the back and stay off my TV and King/JR can chop it up.

JBL can still go to the table and chop it up. We still get JBL upselling Regal.
 
I would have rather seen Michael Cole as GM. At least he has been in the business long and paid his dues. Adamle as GM is just plain stupid. Hell, they could have brought Coach back.
 
Y'know, I haven't paid much attention to TNA at all in a few months - and every time I read the spoilers, my mind stops the minute I get to "Beer Money" and I just move on with my life.

Something about that name just tells me to not go any further.
 
With WWE going on a big "family-friendly" kick and making everything TV-PG, it would be cool if they let ECW stand out by being the more "mature" show of the bunch. More violence and cussing and a generally more "adult" feel. Of course, they tape it with Smackdown, so that's not likely to ever happen. Too bad, because being the only TV-14 show in WWE might actually make it feel different.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Y'know, I haven't paid much attention to TNA at all in a few months - and every time I read the spoilers, my mind stops the minute I get to "Beer Money" and I just move on with my life.

Something about that name just tells me to not go any further.[/quote]


Yeah, Beer Money is a strange name but they are a decent team.
 
Also, I actually appreciate the "family-friendly" mode WWE is in. Not for the fact that it is family-friendly, but for the fact it puts more emphasis on the wrestlers and wrestling than the strange storylines and attention grabbing stunts. Things like the Santino-Beth angle are done on a smaller scale than they would have been before.
 
Well, first, I'll admit that I don't watch as much wrestling as I use to (I watch Smackdown since my buddy comes over after work and we watch it together, or I'd skip that most weeks).

I ended up watching Raw in its entirety for the first time in months. The main reason was that I had the day off on Monday, so I slept in, so I wasn't ready for bed at 10. But, I'll admit, I actually got wrapped up in the new GM deal. I'll go so far as to say that they actually had it hyped up well, since my wife was doing stuff around the house, and just overhearing bits and pieces, got into it enough that she sat down at 10:30, to watch the last 40 minutes of Raw (probably the first time in 6 months that she's watched wrestling).

But, when it was Adamle, he might be a fine GM, but it wasn't who I wanted to see. They had me fooled that it might be Stone Cold (why else have JR out there when you already had 2 announcers, and really, even it being Adamle, it wasn't announced to the very end, I don't think the JR or King said a thing after the announcement, so no need).

So, long term, might be a fine choice, for one night, I'm disappointed (also disappointed in the biggest free agent signing in wrestling being Regal, though fine match he had, almost made up for it).

I actually took the Jericho interview different. Really, wrestling characters are so over the top. I can't remember the last real "adult" character as a wrestler, heck ever (I'm sure there have been some, but eluding me now). Most of the top faces now are really just badass (or try to be). So, if Jehricho can do something with this, it would be a nice change.

Also, for whatever odd reason, I am strangely captivated by Santino/Beth Phoenix's relationship. It's sort of, they want each other, and it disgusts both of them. We'll see, but I may watch next week's Raw, and if I do, this will be a selling point to me.
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']Yeah, Beer Money is a strange name but they are a decent team.[/quote]

Agreed. They've actually been in a really hot feud with LAX for the last couple of months.
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']Also, I actually appreciate the "family-friendly" mode WWE is in. Not for the fact that it is family-friendly, but for the fact it puts more emphasis on the wrestlers and wrestling than the strange storylines and attention grabbing stunts. Things like the Santino-Beth angle are done on a smaller scale than they would have been before.[/QUOTE]Well I would take the Santino-Beth angle over a thousand Bikini Contest/Pillow Fight/Dance-Off/Mud Wrestling/Pie Eating Contest Diva segments, so that's definitely a good thing!
 
[quote name='Demolition Man']We all know that it won't matter who CM Punk faces. The match will be buried in the midcard, be given at best 10 minutes, and will be forgotten about by the end of the night.

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yeah, which will make the title hold even less than it already means then it'll be harder to give the belt credibility once punk does lose it eventually to batista/cena. having the champ stuck in midcard hell seems a bit stupid but then again seems like theyre doing the same to trips over on SD right now with him sitting on the backburner to the edge v. taker feud. so i guess its the current trend in the wwe.
 
[quote name='cdubb1605']yeah, which will make the title hold even less than it already means then it'll be harder to give the belt credibility once punk does lose it eventually to batista/cena. having the champ stuck in midcard hell seems a bit stupid but then again seems like theyre doing the same to trips over on SD right now with him sitting on the backburner to the edge v. taker feud. so i guess its the current trend in the wwe.[/quote]

It astounds me just how little the champs on each show matter. Punk is constantly getting by with interferences and DQs and is barely in the RAW main events, and over on SD Triple H was just caught in the middle of another storyline that barely involved him, and now he's feuding with Khali.

it's amazing how WWE can't seem to find a middle ground when it comes to dealing with their champs. Either they're the center of the universe, or they're a complete afterthought.
 
I don't think going family friendly is going to be a bad thing at all for WWE or its fans.

It means that, in times of lean ratings or when the desire for a ratings push happens, they won't have to rely on the sorts of STUPID, STUPID, STUPID, fuckING STUPID stunts they've pulled in recent years, with McMahon blowing up (err...well, so much for that ;)), hypersexualized angles, and other crap.

That said, the way WWE thinks as a corporation, we may be headed back to the heralded ultra-kiddy 1994-1996 era of MVPs, Abe "Knuckleball" Schwarzs, Max Moons, Smoking Gunns, and TL Hoppers. Shit.
 
I've enjoyed the shows a lot since the PG change- not because of it, necessarily, but the shows have been good. The only thing that bothers me is the forced sounding use of the word "butt" in place of "ass."

I'm listening to the Al Snow shoot Jay posted before. I'm 20 minutes in and enjoying it so far, but I know I won't be able to listen to the whole thing at once. No way I can sit in front of the computer (I have no mp3 player) for 3 fuckin' hours. (Speaking of fuckin', Al says fuck even more than I do, which is a lot.)
 
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That said, the way WWE thinks as a corporation, we may be headed back to the heralded ultra-kiddy 1994-1996 era of MVPs, Abe "Knuckleball" Schwarzs, Max Moons, Smoking Gunns, and TL Hoppers. Shit.[/quote]

You mean poopy.

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yeah so lol at Adamle
They could play this out exactly like that episode of The Simpsons where Ned Flanders became the school principal.
You have this well-meaning "aww shucks" kinda guy in charge, he exerts no control whatsoever and the whole operation goes to hell.
CHAOS and MARTIAL LAW continue!
 
[quote name='BustaUppa']Well I would take the Santino-Beth angle over a thousand Bikini Contest/Pillow Fight/Dance-Off/Mud Wrestling/Pie Eating Contest Diva segments, so that's definitely a good thing![/quote]

I agree. Lord knows I love women, but WWE used to really over do it and this is coming from someone who is an anime fan and loves fanservice. The Santino/Beth thing is interesting because a lot of the conflict/interest has been ring based. That segement where Santino couldn't pick up D'Lo but Beth could was simple but effective and relevant to wrestling.

[quote name='mykevermin']I don't think going family friendly is going to be a bad thing at all for WWE or its fans.

It means that, in times of lean ratings or when the desire for a ratings push happens, they won't have to rely on the sorts of STUPID, STUPID, STUPID, fuckING STUPID stunts they've pulled in recent years, with McMahon blowing up (err...well, so much for that ;)), hypersexualized angles, and other crap.

That said, the way WWE thinks as a corporation, we may be headed back to the heralded ultra-kiddy 1994-1996 era of MVPs, Abe "Knuckleball" Schwarzs, Max Moons, Smoking Gunns, and TL Hoppers. Shit.[/quote]

I think Jericho's speech about maturing really was a companion to the direction the WWE is moving to. It really made a great deal of sense IMO. It's a shame WWE didn't do this sooner because it may have been enough to get Sting to the WWE a few years ago. Maybe this is why ECW hasn't been brought back as the true ECW and I guess this explains Cena's Poopy on JBL's car too.
 
On Smackdown, having the title seem like an afterthought works right now because Edge/Taker is way bigger than anything HHH would've put together. I'm running under the distinct impression that, just like Wrestlemania, it'll be the last match of the night.

HHH is the champ, but with the birth of the new kid, I guarantee he won't be around as much, which is why I'm assuming he got a completely out of nowhere throw-away match on, arguably, the second biggest PPV of the year. The question then becomes... why not just have him drop it instead? It's not like he won't get it back.

Raw is ridiculous on many, many levels. Look, I get that Punk isn't a 'lock' as a draw, but they aren't even goddamn trying. Would it have been so hard to stick him in an actual feud with ONE GUY? There were at least 4 options... who are all now facing each other instead of Punk. Now with Cena/Batista happening, that means Punk's title defense is going to be either against Kane or JBL (both, likely) and guaranteed to be AT LEAST the fourth match from the end of the PPV, if not more. Then, instead of a nice feud between two guys, we get the champ stuck in the 10pm slot on Raw every week facing random guys, and a huge clusterfuck of people we don't care about fighting EACH OTHER over who gets to face the guy who doesn't seem to be too picky about who he goes up against anyway.

Quick note: Cena/Batista. I'm getting pretty fucking sick of these face/face matches. You have heels, use them. Or, do what you actually did wonderfully with Jericho/HBK, TURN one of them heel. I don't care who wins this match, I really don't.
 
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I just wish that they wouldn't squander all the good things they have going for them. I mean, the segment before the main event with Cena and Cryme Tyme for example. They have great chemistry together would make a great stable, but that stuff isn't even getting used. Instead we have another face/face battle that just gets thrown together a few weeks before Summerslam.
 
Batista really needs to go heel now. He's already kinda cocky as a face, but he's also extremely stale.

Here's hoping that when Punk does drop the strap, it's to either Y2J or a returning Orton.
 
[quote name='-Never4ever-']Batista really needs to go heel now. He's already kinda cocky as a face, but he's also extremely stale.

Here's hoping that when Punk does drop the strap, it's to either Y2J or a returning Orton.[/quote]

This.

I'm really worried that after a few weeks of promise that Raw is, ultimately, just transforming from the HHH show into the Cena/Batista show. I'm not sure which I'd rather have. :lol:

Seconded on the Jericho thing, too. If they squander the great build-up he's had and don't give him a title program (the next logical step), I give up. Just... give the fuck up.
 
The WWF RAW and WWF Wrestlemania video games lead me to believe there were no good WWF games up until 1998. WWF Wrstlemania is basically Mortal Kombat with different skins. It's almost the exact same engine, even up to the part where I had to face Bret Hart and Bret Hart at the same time ( i.e the part where I cut the game off ). Raw sucked because everyone can kick you ass. HBK's finisher wasn't even the damned Super Kick ( probably because they'd have no way to make his kick look different than any other kick), instead it's the Slingshot Suplex. I sure would've hated being ripped off buying this game at the 40+ dollar MSRP it probably came out at.
 
[quote name='Matt Young']Royal Rumble for the Genesis fucking OWNED. Actually, it didn't just own. It StallOWNED.[/quote]

QFT. I used to love playing it to see if I could elminiate everyone else in the Rumble.

Plus I love pulling off IRS's Write Off :)
 
[quote name='GTzerO']The WWF RAW and WWF Wrestlemania video games lead me to believe there were no good WWF games up until 1998. WWF Wrstlemania is basically Mortal Kombat with different skins. It's almost the exact same engine, even up to the part where I had to face Bret Hart and Bret Hart at the same time ( i.e the part where I cut the game off ). Raw sucked because everyone can kick you ass. HBK's finisher wasn't even the damned Super Kick ( probably because they'd have no way to make his kick look different than any other kick), instead it's the Slingshot Suplex. I sure would've hated being ripped off buying this game at the 40+ dollar MSRP it probably came out at.[/QUOTE]

Shawn Michaels' original finisher at the time was the leg hook saito suplex (?) a/k/a the Teardrop Suplex. I don't recall what the WWF called it, but he had it for long enough before switching over to the superkick.

And WWF Raw was super fun. Unless you paid out the wazoo for a Sega 32X, only to discover that your version's extra wrestler was KWANG. :lol:
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Shawn Michaels' original finisher at the time was the leg hook saito suplex (?) a/k/a the Teardrop Suplex. I don't recall what the WWF called it, but he had it for long enough before switching over to the superkick.

And WWF Raw was super fun. Unless you paid out the wazoo for a Sega 32X, only to discover that your version's extra wrestler was KWANG. :lol:[/quote]


It was basically a backbody drop. :whistle2:#

And my favorite part of the Royal Rumble and Raw games was bumping into the ref until he left the ring. :D
 
I want anyone who said WWF RAW was fun to go pick up a Genesis and the game right now and tell me how fun it is.
 
[quote name='GTzerO']I want anyone who said WWF RAW was fun to go pick up a Genesis and the game right now and tell me how fun it is.[/quote]


its awesome! Thank you for reminding me! Nothing like field goal kicking 1 2 3 kid, and then punching the ref til he leaves. Then going over to the corner on the right hand side and still being able to punch (off screen) ref.
 
[quote name='GTzerO']I want anyone who said WWF RAW was fun to go pick up a Genesis and the game right now and tell me how fun it is.[/quote]


Thanks...

Razor's edge followed by sommersault elbow drop FTW!
 
[quote name='Demolition Man']Wwwhhhhaaaaaaaa..... guyver finally found his way back to the wrestling thread?[/quote]

he's posted a few times unless im mistaken
 
Someone on WWE creative's been watching old TNA tapes between Hardy on Smackdown referred to as the Charismatic Enigma by MVP and Chris Harris calling Delaney a Wildcat.
 
Maybe I'm a pussy but did you all have turbo controllers or something? I couldn't even execute or get out of grapples.
 
[quote name='Genocidal']Someone on WWE creative's been watching old TNA tapes between Hardy on Smackdown referred to as the Charismatic Enigma by MVP and Chris Harris calling Delaney a Wildcat.[/QUOTE]

Meh. Harris is a Northern Kentucky boy (like yours truly), so he's (unlike me, and more like every other fucking person around me) a true blue UK fan.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Meh. Harris is a Northern Kentucky boy (like yours truly), so he's (unlike me, and more like every other fucking person around me) a true blue UK fan.[/quote]

i live in lexington and could care less about the cats vermin, what part of the state you from (more specific than the northern part)
 
[quote name='guyver2077']Todd Grisham!! The Voice Of Extreme[/quote]

That guy is an idiot. I think it was on the Benoit Hard Knocks DVD commentary, he didn't know any of the moves or the wrestlers. I don't even know why they kept him around.
 
Thanks to all who jogged my memory by mentioning punching the ref until he left in frustration/terror in the old 16-bit WWF games. That shit was hilarious.
 
[quote name='cdubb1605']i live in lexington and could care less about the cats vermin, what part of the state you from (more specific than the northern part)[/QUOTE]

Newport for two more weeks. Though I'll be in Boston for most of the time.

Any of y'all live in or near Boston? We should get a drink.
 
[quote name='KaneRobot']Thanks to all who jogged my memory by mentioning punching the ref until he left in frustration/terror in the old 16-bit WWF games. That shit was hilarious.[/quote]

If you quickly run out and knock him down while he's outside of the ring before he disappears out of site, he'll walk up and constantly act like he's trying to enter the ring from the ringsteps and you end up having to reset the game since you can't pin the guy or anything.

at least it was that way on WWF Raw.
 
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