The Al Snow Wrestling Thread

[quote name='GTzerO']The WWF RAW and WWF Wrestlemania video games lead me to believe there were no good WWF games up until 1998. WWF Wrstlemania is basically Mortal Kombat with different skins. It's almost the exact same engine, even up to the part where I had to face Bret Hart and Bret Hart at the same time ( i.e the part where I cut the game off ). Raw sucked because everyone can kick you ass. HBK's finisher wasn't even the damned Super Kick ( probably because they'd have no way to make his kick look different than any other kick), instead it's the Slingshot Suplex. I sure would've hated being ripped off buying this game at the 40+ dollar MSRP it probably came out at.[/QUOTE]ah, the days of medium-school WWF video games. 1998 was fun indeed. Warzone may not exactly hold up, but I had a hell of a lot of fun with that when it came out. Its lasting legacy would have to be those goofy-ass FMV promos that the wrestlers cut before the matches. Gems like THIS: [media]http://youtube.com/watch?v=El2Z8CxKpFM&feature=related[/media]
 
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And then of course you had WWF Attitude. Now two features I LOVED in Attitude were the customizable arenas and the customizable match types. For the arenas you could do all these weird lighting effects and have green ropes and stuff. And the MATCH TYPES were really great because you could set up all these wack-ass stipulations that had never been done on TV before. Like you could take a cage match, and add an Ironman win modifier to it. Crazy stuff! We need to see this in a game that's, like, BETTER.
 
Can someone tell me the easiest way to rip music from DVD menus? I want to rip The Rock's theme from that 3 disc set, so I can use it in SVR 08.

And to stay on topic, I can't stand Todd Grisham. He makes Coach look like the coolest guy ever. They should've given it to Josh Matthews.
 
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I only had the N64 version of warzone, now I feel like I've missed out.

Actually I think I might pick up both SD PS1 games, Warzone, and Attitude.
 
Does anyone know if any of the GBA WWE games kept the play mechanics of the Genesis RAW and Royal Rumble games? I miss those old button mashing wrestling games.
 
So Tomko is leaving TNA and Nash walked out on the tapings because he was upset with the proposed finish to his match. Good things just keep happening for that company.
 
Dustin Rhodes is also gone from TNA. Again, not a huge loss - though he's a veteran who could probably teach some of the younger guys some things.
 
[quote name='neocisco']Tomko hasn't been used in a while which makes no sense. Nash having a hissy fit and leaving? Seeya.[/QUOTE]

This; it's a shame about Tomko, since they really did a good job building a personality for him during the Global Impact era.
 
Seconded on its an shame for Tomko. TNA could of made an huge star out of him if they pushed and used him right. Instead.... make way for ENDLESS KURT VS KAREN ANGLE SEGMENTS!

Jesus I thought I'd never say this but... TNA sucks.
 
So I played DOR2 again. Great game, very slow CAW loading times. On DOR I had quite a few CAWs ( me, CM Punk, Daniels, AJ Styles, Hardy, Homicide ), on DOR2 I just have myself and Hardy. Anyways, I like this much better than the v Raw series as they've done so much to slow the game down IMO. Plus you can do sick spots because any move can be broken out of it's animation ( which adds a lot of challenge to the game ).

Anybody remember that fatal four cage match in the season? That sure did turn me into a man.
 
It's sad to think of how poorly TNA has used Tomko since he chose to work the IGF show and defied their order - he was getting over organically as a main eventer, the fans were treating him like a star, he was on-fire in the ring and on promos...and then he turned heel, lost a lot of momentum, and then lost all of it when he chose to work the IGF show and they completely killed his push upon his return, culminating in him wrestling in a meaningless match on the Impact before the last PPV, which he wasn't on despite at one point in the recent past being a main event act for TNA. Tomko really shined during Global Impact, which is somewhat amazing given that the regular non-Global Impact that aired before it featured a dozen Shark Family skits.

As for Nash, he's getting a main event push right now - I expect him to be back to have the match with Joe, although given his history of flaking on TNA, I wouldn't be entirely shocked if that match didn't happen (and given that TNA built that match up at the expense of Booker-Joe, they'd really have egg on their face if it never happens).

Dustin being gone isn't a huge shock, as he hasn't been used in months. I'll miss him singing with Rellik (whose name was KILLER SPELLED BACKWARDS, and who's also gone from the company), and I'll miss his workshop full of old PPV signs. And a vise to crush heads/hands. I won't miss him French-kissing a mouse, or his heart-to-heart talks with Mike Tenay. He was a fine talent in the ring at one point, but the Black Reign character just didn't work for him. Or make any sense, or allow him to have any good matches, and turned him into just another worthless TNA garbage match worker.

In some good news for TNA, they've upgraded their production facilities in Nashville - I'm looking forward to seeing how well that works, as the present look of the company's shows is getting really old, and I'd like to see this at least freshen it up a bit.

SHIMMER'S Come as You Are Rumble, which was on a DVD that's now out of print, so they put it on Youtube for folks to sample the product for free -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNEfv21ICec

AWA screens from yesterday's show, featuring Eric Bischoff, Larry Nelson in a dunk tank, and Mitch Snow and the Rockers looking like goofs.






Larry Nelson = PIMP






 
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Al Snow shoot is awesome.

One day I might become a professional wrestler. It's one of my dreams, I think I'll learn it at least. I mean, why the hell not?
 
More TNA news about what Nash was upset about and info about Angle being injured again -
http://www.f4wonline.com/content/view/6219/105/

I agree with Nash that it was stupid to show him eliminated in one of those "DURING THE BREAK!" eliminations, as those are usually reserved for guys low on the totem pole - not PPV main eventers. Angle being hurt in this match is especially distressing since TNA just took him off of house show dates as a wrestler because he's hurt, but they put him a pointless weapons gauntlet for the gold-style match on TV, where he'll either take a bump over the top to the floor onto an injured body part, or run the risk of getting hit with a weapon on one.

From the newest Observer -
The original plan was for Punk to go heel and win the Money in the Bank later this year. The suggestion for Punk to win the title the way it went down at first didn’t go over well, but the arguments were made that since the company decided on a youth movement and to shake things up (and it is amazing that the minute they started going with new people on top the ratings started getting a little better) that Punk is the guy to push more than anyone else. The argument is that Punk was more popular than he should have been given his push (true) and that he sells far more merchandise than someone in his position should (also true). Ever since Vince green lighted Punk winning the title, suddenly everyone in creative is 100% backing him. The producers on the other hand were very quiet when they were told, because many of them don’t think highly of Punk’s work, but none of them will ever argue against a Vince direction because everyone is afraid of losing their job. HHH behind the scenes is not a supporter of his dating back to his arrival in the company, and has joked that they now need to turn Michaels heel so Punk can have someone who can work him through a world title match. The Punk not looking strong is part of the Vince directive. Vince believes that Punk as a babyface always clinging onto the belt against “better” guys will cause fans to get behind him in the long run. It was the same idea he had with Mysterio, which in hindsight, most feel was a big mistake, but Vince was also never behind Mysterio as anything but a transitional champion at that time.

Other stuff -
- Sabu has been calling around looking at getting back in the ring. It was just a few months ago when he was telling people he wouldn’t be able to ever bump again, but now he’s saying with a few months of rest, he feels better, although he still has to limit what he does.

- “Get Smart” did $2,272,394 over the weekend for No. 11, and its domestic total is now $124,186,385 and is at around $190 million worldwide.

- Bret Hart is in need of a full knee replacement. It’s been something he’s been told he would need for probably 11 years, but he was putting it off until he really had no choice. When he was in Italy on his recent trip, with all the walking on uneven pavement, it had become brutal. Unlike others who get asked this question, Hart was adamant about if he was 20, would he have chosen UFC or pro wrestling: “I’d never do UFC. I wasn’t good enough and I was smarter than that. I have a lot of respect for UFC guys, but I still think they’re not getting the money they deserve, especially when I see them taking all those head shots. You can see the brain cells just vanishing when they get hit five, six times. It’s the kind of brain damage you carry around forever. You can’t put a price tag on your brain and I know that better than anyone else.” On Hulk Hogan’s comments about the problems with John Graziano being God’s will and some sort of retribution or karma on him: “I think he showed his true colors. He’s washed up. He exposed himself. It’s pretty callous. I think he dug himself an even bigger hole on Larry King. He was always selfish. Everything Hogan did was for Hogan.” Hart was respectful to Hogan during the WCW days but the straw that broke the camel’s back was when Hart agreed to do the WWE DVD, and one of the producers played him the clips of the “hit-piece” DVD WWE was going to do on him (similar to Ultimate Warrior) until he agreed. The comments by Michaels he expected and didn’t bother him that much. He was not happy with comments by Roddy Piper but since the two have always been close, he’s willing to say Piper was tricked into it and was led by the questioning, but Hogan’s portrayal of him upset him the most. When asked the wrestlers he considers friends, he said Austin, Edge, Jericho and Piper.

- Sylvan Grenier said in SlamWrestling he’d decided to take time off from wrestling and not work indies due to injuries and because he’s started three businesses in Montreal and doesn’t have much free time. He’s got a security company that he started before wrestling and continued to run while in WWE, a supplement company and not sure what the third company is, although he did say he’s thinking of opening a gym, and after all that, said he’s going to start taking indie bookings. His claim for appearing on the Signature Pharmacy list of clients is that the WWE told him he needed to get an American doctor instead of a Canadian doctor. Yeah, that makes perfect sense, the WWE trying to get wrestlers away from drug supplying doctors tells a guy living in Montreal to get a doctor who lives nowhere near Montreal. One of the biggest red flags that should be known at this point is having your personal physician more than, say, a 30 minute drive from your home. I mean, how many people routinely drive two hours in each direction to see their personal doctor? Let alone a guy in Montreal needing to have one in the U.S. He asked around about a doctor, and lo and behold, the doctor he picked ended up being with Signature Pharmacy and thus, when the bust came, his name was out. He noted he did nothing illegal, and technically, that would be correct, as it’s the doctors who were filling the prescriptions without visits from the patients who are the ones in trouble in that case.

- Bret Hart’s autobiography is now available for U.S. pre-ordering through amazon.com. The actual U.S. release date is 10/8. It can also be ordered today at amazon.ca and they ship into the U.S.

- Stacey Keibler will have a major role in the ABC Family network TV series “Samurai Girl” that debuts next month. They shot six episodes which will all air the weekend of 9/5 through 9/7. She’ll play the rival of the lead star who is the former fiancee of the girl who stars in the show as a Japanese teenager whose father is the head of a Yakuza. Keibler did an interview with WrestleZone.com talking about leaving WWE. She said: “I left the business because of the lifestyle. You don’t have a car or hotel paid for. You get dropped off on a Friday and you have to get around the state. A different city each night. You are away from friends and family. It was really tiring. I wanted to be more normal and sleep in my own bed every night.” She said her dream was always to be an actress and appearing on “Dancing with the Stars” got her noticed. She said even before going on the show she had mentally decided to take a year off wrestling to try her luck in Hollywood, but said the show was great timing or “I would have been any other blonde walking around the streets of Los Angeles. I thank my lucky stars.” She said WWE wanted to renegotiate her contract while she was on the show. She asked for a raise and also wanted first class air travel (which in WWE is reserved only for people who have held the world title or someone they consider special). “They asked me who I thought I was. They told me I was no different from another other Diva.” She said they told her absolutely not when it came to the first class. That probably would have coincided with WWE in the middle of her “Dancing with the Stars” run suddenly no longer pushing her on their shows, because they realized she wasn’t coming back.

- Jesse Ventura was on Howard Stern on 7/29 for 90 minutes, which is some kind of a record. Ventura, 57, noted he had a hip replacement six months ago from all the bumps from wrestling. Ventura said that wrestling shouldn’t be able to get away with calling its wrestlers independent contractors because Vince tells them when they are working, who they are working with, everything to do and who wins and loses. When asked about the Iron Sheik, Ventura said Sheik was another one (like Hogan) who wouldn’t back him when he tried to unionize wrestlers and that if the unionization would have taken place, perhaps today Sheik would have money needed for health care and his retirement. Sheik said that Jesse used to be his medicine man (drug dealer) and Jesse denied it. He said the only drugs he ever did in wrestling were testosterone, and only because it was required for wrestling, because you needed it to get big, stay big and to help recover from the nightly beatings. He did his usual spiel about believing 9/11 was an inside job and that Osama bin Laden is dead already but they pretend he’s alive so the country has an enemy. He said he would have won the senate had he run, and he flipped a coin to make his decision not to run, and that if he ran for president, he’d be assassinated. He said if he was a Senator he would demand WWE get investigated for failing to pay proper taxes due to categorizing the wrestlers as independent contractors. He claimed the day after he did Larry King, at 4 p.m., one hour before the deadline to file, he was talking with his wife and they were talking about what to do and she told him to flip a coin, so he did. Well, it makes for a good story. When the subject of UFC came up, he said he doesn’t believe they are real, saying they were “working stiff” because they go 25 minutes and real fights are over in 30 seconds. He noted that living in Mexico now, he has a different perspective saying the U.S. to those outside the country comes off as an arrogant country.

- The Boston Herald ran a story on the health problems of Walter “Killer” Kowalski, one of the all-time great heels in wrestling history. Kowalski, 81, is bedridden due to problems with his knees and living in a nursing home in Everett, MA. He would love to hear from any old fans c/o the Everett Nursing Home, 289 Elm St., Everett, MA 02149. Because of his age, overall health and having a pacemaker, doctors won’t operate on him.
The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reported former WCW announcer and highly rated Pittsburgh sports talk host Mark Madden would be signing with WXDX, a rock station that carries the Pittsburgh Penguins, to do afternoon drive-time. The story said Madden reached a buyout deal with ESPN Radio, which was paying him on the rest of his contract after letting him go after he told a joke about Sen. Ted Kennedy’s brain cancer.

- Jeff Van Camp, who worked as Lord Humongous in Mid South Wrestling and Alabama in the 80s, is running for sheriff of Santa Rosa County in upstate Florida. Van Camp was pushed from the start due to his size and groomed for stardom as a wrestler, but the road schedule of Mid South and low payoffs caused him to quit the business and go into a career in law enforcement.

- Former WCW wrestler and artist Lash LeRoux is running for municipal election in Oxford, AL.

- Balls Mahoney was on tour of Ireland a few weeks back, did a brawl outside the building and onto a main street of town which I guess started people on the street enough that police were called and a near riot outside nearly took place. On the same tour, Doug Basham suffered a damaged eye socket, a swollen elbow and a bruised pec, although he didn’t miss any dates.

- Tony Schiavone will be the lead radio announcer for the Gwinnett Braves, the Atlanta Braves AAA farm team that plays in the metro area. Schiavone has been working as sports director for WSB radio, although it was WDUN, the newstalk station, is carrying the games. Schiavone’s original love was baseball, although he did grow up as a big wrestling fan in Raleigh. He actually got into wrestling because he was doing the radio announcing for the minor league Charlotte Orioles, who were owned by Frances Crockett, Jim’s sister, and when they found out he had so much interest in wrestling, they brought him in for their regional syndicated show. In 1986, when they took over the TBS time slots, Jim Crockett decided to go with his guy, Schiavone, instead of Gordon Solie, who had been a fixture on the station since the end of 1972. Even though Solie was well past his announcing prime by that time, Solie had a lot of popularity and those were big shoes to fill

- Reggie Parks, the 60s and 70s wrestler known for his physique, who is now best known for making championship belts for pro wrestling, boxing and MMA, has made two championship belts for Madonna and is working on a third one. One she wore on the cover of her album. The third belt may be for a Madonna statute in a wax museum. He’s also made title belts for the 2007 Tennessee Titans defensive line and the 1989 Oakland A’s. He made his first title belt in 1962 for promoter Joe Dusek in Omaha when he was working the territory. Parks stopped making WWF title belts about ten years ago over a royalties dispute over sales of replica belts. He said UFC was now his biggest client. He said it takes four people about two weeks to make a custom championship belt, which costs $1,000. He said one particularly elaborate belt for a Japanese promotion cost $12,000. His business started booming with the advent of the Internet and people buying belts from him and his team are usually working on about 20 belts at a time. Now 73, he dates back to being a carnival wrestler before turning pro.

- Ed Koskey is now the head writer for ECW, joining Michael Hayes as head writer of Smackdown and Brian Gewirtz as head writer of Raw.

- Foley’s contract expires I believe at the end of the summer. I don’t see anyone on the horizon being groomed for the color role, plus who had have better on-air chemistry with Ross so I presume they’ll offer him a new deal. Vince is way more critical of announcing talent, particularly as the show goes on, than he is of main event wrestling talent, so there is likely some culture shock, if that’s the right term, with Foley in the role. Basically the announcers have to learn to react positively to negativity, but since most like the job (the hours are great for the money you’re paid, you get the perks of being featured on television every week, and you’re not getting your body destroyed like almost everyone else on the show–although I suppose Jim Ross’ worsening eye that doesn’t allow him to drive at night stemming from a match contradicts that) you never see anyone voluntarily leaving the position.

- Jonathan Coachman is starting with ESPN imminently, but he was removed from the position, although most figured he wasn’t going to sign a new deal when this one came due because he had real sports opportunities elsewhere.

- To me, Smackdown has become easily the best wrestling show on TV due to Edge and Vickie Guerrero. They’ve been so incredible the past two weeks. Having said that, and I don’t know if it’s being on Friday or what, but Smackdown is the one show that hasn’t benefitted from the draft as far as a noticeable ratings upturn. It’s interesting about Smackdown, because when things go bad and Raw and ECW show noticeable drops, Smackdown also doesn’t. It’s seems like, good or bad, they are going to be at a certain level based more of seasonal viewing patterns like a network show, while Raw and ECW go up and down based on star power in segments, angles and overall company momentum.

Edge is the company’s MVP once again as an all-around performer and it’s pretty amazing watching how much Guerrero has improved. The Edge/Alicia Fox deal where he seduced her seemed to be a spoof of the Edge/Amy Dumas thing from a few years back, which in its own way, because it forced the heel turn and put Edge with Lita, really put Edge’s career into overdrive in the first place. The opening segment with MVP and Jeff Hardy was weird. It reminded me of a TNA segment except MVP had better delivery than most in TNA would have. The whole deal is that they have lost focus of their audience and assume they are more into stuffing instead of potatoes than they are. There is a hardcore audience that knows Jeff Hardy was suspended twice and that his trailer burned down and his dog died. But if you were just a casual TV viewer, which is the vast majority of the people watching, you’d have watched the MVP Lounge segment on the 7/25 show and not had a clue what they are talking about. Suspension. Termination. In WWE, they have the announcers completely lay out during these segments, but at some point, whether it’s the wrestlers, or the announcers, they have to background for the fan who doesn’t know what they are talking about. Jeff Hardy telling MVP that he had made his mistakes (MVP spent years in prison before training to be a pro wrestler but I’d guess less than 5% of the TV audience would know that since it’s never been pushed on TV ). MVP is also the first person of non-Samoan heritage on a wrestling show than I’ve ever seen correctly pronounce “Samoan.” The deal is that we all grew up in school and listening to wrestling announcers and football announcers pronounce it wrong so the American pronunciation of the word is actually the wrong one. It was interesting to watch Richards come out in Philadelphia. He came out all enthused and nobody knew who he was, and then when they announced he was from Philadelphia, then the people popped. It really showed me how much the audience has turned over in recent years. They had Kozlov sell more for Richards than anyone to date, and it’s sure been a good idea that he hasn’t sold much, because he looked downright lost at times. Jim Ross told a story about Kozlov being recruited as a young boy because of his size and being groomed for athletic stardom, actually saying Kozlov was large for his size (meaning large for his age). By the way, none of that is true. I’m guessing Ross used the story about the real-life Alexander Karelin, who was schooled from childhood by the government in Greco-Roman wrestling because he was so large as a six-year-old. They also did a Ron Killings vignette with his new name of R-Truth. They showed where he grew up and he mentioned hanging with a bad crowd, winding up in prison, learning from his experience and not blaming anyone but himself for his problems. He showed a lot of charisma in the vignette, but you never know what’ll happen. They filmed eight different vignettes, so it could be as long as two months before he starts on TV. Or it could be next week knowing how quickly things change. I can recall how Monty Brown looked like a superstar waiting to happen in TNA, and then when he jumped, people thought he’d break through and then he came here and they were so adamant of not having him do anything that got him over in TNA that he ended up being a lost soul and never went anywhere. Kendrick is getting a shot as a heel. This is a real indication of how much WWE has changed, because of guy of Kendrick’s size even a year ago would have never been able to do anything past the Noble-level as a heel. The idea is for Kendrick to be someone and create a Michaels/Diesel element, as that is who Kendrick & Ezekiel (“Big Zeke”) are patterned after. Ezekiel has a good look. Jim Ross is trying to push that Kendrick reminds him of the late Brian Pillman. Kendrick is now “The Brian Kendrick” as his shiranui (sliced bread #2) finisher is now “The Kendrick,” which is a spoof on “The Tazz” line by Adamle.

The original booking idea coming out of the wedding and split was for Vickie to go babyface, which is why we had noted that would likely to evaluated because everyone in the company was amazed at the level of heel heat Vickie has been getting the past few months and there was no fan groundswell for a change. Because of that, the actual plan was to do a Kurt/Karen like one-week split, which actually would have been the second time repeating that angle in a one-month period. Vickie would have reinstated Undertaker when she was mad at Edge, so it wouldn’t be that they were working together to swerve the audience, but then at the end, Edge and Vickie would have gotten back together like they did in their previous split. Thankfully that would have changed because one of the reasons, besides simply being in a more major league setting and doing better paced angles, that Edge & Vickie are so much more over than Kurt & Karen, is that the audiences hasn’t been burned out by all the fake turns and swerves. The problem essentially is they want to keep them together. But they decided to postpone the wedding a week because of the New York pre-emption, so needed an angle there, and still needed the angle to get Undertaker back to headline SummerSlam.

- Ted DiBiase said he’s happy with his sons doing pro wrestling because of changes in the business since the days he was there. He noted the change in the schedule, the drug testing and difference in the lifestyles of the wrestlers.

- Since we’ve talked about taped viewing of Raw and Smackdown a lot, for ECW, on 7/1 the split was 95% live and 5% tape and on 6/24 it was 92% live and 8% tape, so it’s closer to Raw levels of people watching after the fact that Smackdown levels.

- For the week from 7/14 to 7/20, Raw was the No. 7 most watched sports program (hey, they list it as sport when it’s convenient for them when it comes to TV ratings, but when you call it sport to compare the treatment to athletes who draw the same TV ratings, then it’s not sport, it’s entertainment, although it’s not like entertainers on TV shows that do that kind of ratings are paying for their hotels and rental cars either ) trailing only shows related to Major League Baseball’s All-Star game and Home Run Derby. Smackdown was No. 9. The UFC special with Anderson Silva vs. James Irvin was No. 13, with British Open coverage and Legends Celebrity Softball on ESPN ahead.

- Best selling pro wrestling and MMA DVDs from the 8/3 issue of Billboard: 1. Ric Flair: The Definitive Collection (which was also No. 2 on the TV charts behind only the fourth season of Stargate Atlantis); 2. The Rock: The Most Electrifying Man in Sports Entertainment; 4. WWE One Night Stand; 5. Wrestlemania 24; 7. Twist of Fate: The Matt & Jeff Hardy Story; 8. UFC 82 Silva vs. Henderson; 10. The Legacy of Stone Cold Steve Austin.

- In the useless trivia department, when Punk retained the world title at the Bash, he became only the third wrestler in history to have his first WWE world title match on PPV (this would be only doing the WWE & World title and obviously not including the ECW title) going in as champion. Essentially that would mean a guy won the title not on PPV. The first was Hulk Hogan at the Wrestling Classic PPV, but that’s a trick question because Hogan won the title the first time in 1984 before there was PPV. The other was Bret Hart, who won the title in a dark match at a TV taping in Saskatoon in 1992 when the company was panicking about having no babyfaces over and needing to create a new babyface star immediately, and Hart beat Flair. Hart had never had a world title match on PPV, but came in as champion and defended against Michaels at the 1992 Survivor Series.

- The movie “The Condemned” starring Steve Austin has a dubious distinction. Of all movies with a major theatrical release in the last 27 years, it had the 19th worst second-to-third week drop. Theaters are obligated to give major movies two weeks, so in week three, that’s when you see big drops among the flops because theaters stop carrying it. The movie fell 76% in weekend No. 3.

- Mae Young was called to appear on Raw, believed to originally be for an angle involving DiBiase & Rhodes, but that was before they changed to take Duggan out and put Cole in, based on the line that Young would show Duggan that you are never too old to be in wrestling. Since she was there and there was no spot on Raw for her, they had her do the Kiss Cam segment. She came out with a ref. They put the camera on two women, and the two women went at it big-time with tongues, which may or may not have been planted. Then they showed two men in cowboy hats and the crowd started laughing. Young then started kissing the ref, knocking him over and they were rolling around the ring and then cut to a sign, which may or may not have been planted given that she was not advertised to be there (although we did list it on our web site ahead of time), which read, “85 and still A-Mae-Zing.” When Young was there, she was begging and pleading to be taken on the December “Tribute to the Troops” show. I don’t count on that happening. At the show, when they showed John McCain on the screen, the people booed like crazy, and when they showed Barack Obama, he may as well have been The Rock given the reaction.

- On one of the Raw bumpers this week they noted that last week’s Raw was the highest rated show on cable TV for Monday night. That wasn’t close to true as The Closer on TNT that week did a 6.6 rating and 7.1 million viewers and Saving Grace, also on TNT, did a 4.3 rating, so Raw was third for the night.
 
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[quote name='mykevermin']This; it's a shame about Tomko, since they really did a good job building a personality for him during the Global Impact era.[/QUOTE]

It seemed Tomko was on the verge of breaking out, but some pointless booking a few bad decisions left him as just another big man. Too Bad. If anyone told me I'd care about Tomko a few years ago I would have told them they were nuts. I'm sure he's on the way to Japan as we speak.
 
The AWA's on now, Lee Marshall has no 'stache and YOKOZUNA will be on this show. We're getting stuff from '90 now, with the show's first match being opened up by ERIC BISCHOFF hyping it and looking like a Ken doll. Opening match jobber - a black guy named Bad Boy Brown. Amazing. He lost to Tommy Jammer, who I'd never heard of before. I wondered why until Lee Marshall uttered this
Tommy Jammer asked Verne for a move to help put him over the top, and Verne showed him THE ABDOMINAL STRETCH!

The budget for these '90 shows has clearly plummeted, as Donna Gagne is doing the ring announcing, and they've got a low-rent Demolition in the Texas Hangmen (Psycho and killer) looking even gayer than the Demos as these guys have ropes around their wrists. It's funny to hear Lee say you can't tell them apart, as one of them is pale and the other guy is tan. Their finisher is a shitty version of the Demolition Decapitaton as well. Also, according to a commentator named Ralph, "Yukon John Nord is ushering in the '90s!" - frightening. Holy crap does Paul Diamond ever look jacked here compared to his appearance on the '88 shows.

Well, that was a largely bad show, although I did love the Saito-Zbysko match, which had some fine comedy as he came out billed from Parts Unknown, and had JAPAN in giant white letters on his tights. I also dug the main event, which aside from having Adnan in some of the most garish tights ever, also treated the "slam match" as if it was any other match - they built to the slam and didn't just do a match with a thousand slam attempts. It was different from other slam matches I've ever seen.

Well, that's about it for the praise of it, as Adnan was horrible and looked old here. Baron Von Raschke being in Nord's corner shilling a realty company on a T-shirt was some fine comedy - it started off great with him doing that while wearing Nord's wacky headgear, and then got better as he did it while shooting a big thumbs up towards the camera and making sure the company name was still visible on-camera.

The commentators brought up that we'd be treated to EVEN MORE OF THESE GREAT STIPULATION MATCHES next week, including a Greco Roman battle royal. I have no idea what that is, although I'm sure they'll do a good job of explaining it when it happens, as they spent MINUTES EXPLAINING HOW TO WIN A BODY SLAM MATCH. Take note, TNA - they took time to explain THE SIMPLEST MATCH TYPE EVER so that even if someone had never seen a wrestling show before, they knew how this match, which was considerably easier to understand than say... the fight for your right tournament, the suicide stampede match, or the king of the mountain match, could be won.

Quotes from this show -
Lee Marshall - THE MASA - Masa Saito is here!
Lee - Tommy Jammer asked Verne for a move to help put him over the top, and Verne showed him THE ABDOMINAL STRETCH!
Erjc Bischoff - WE’VE GOT A DOUBLE DOSE OF YUKON JOHN TODAY! HE’S NOT ONLY IN THE MAIN EVENT, BUT WE’RE GOING TO SHOW YOU A MATCH OF HIS FROM NOT TOO LONG AGO!
Lee - This John Nord used to rough house - he hung out with some bad guys like Bruiser Brody and the late Adrian Adonis, but somehow, he changed and says that he’s reading the Bible now, he still wants to be world champ, but he’s kinder now. THERE IT IS, HE DOES THE BIG WOLF CALL - WOOOO - THE FANS GO WILD!
Ralph - Yukon John is ushering in the decade of the ‘90s!
Donna Gagne - HERE ARE PSYCHO AND KILLER - THE TEXAS HANGMEN!
Larry Zbysko - YOU SUCK! THAT’S NOT THE UNKNOWN SOLDIER! THIS SUCKS!
Bischoff - This man is licensed as the Unknown Soldier, YOU HAVE TO WRESTLE!
Announcer - FROM PARTS UKNOWN, THE UKNOWN SOLDIER! (who has JAPAN in big white letters on the side of his tights)
(20 minutes before the show ends)Adnan - MAXIMUS ISN’T HERE, BECAUSE THERE’S SNOW EVERYWHERE IN THE WORLD! BUT I’LL FLY HIM IN A LEAR JET TO HERE! HE WILL BE HERE!
Lee - The rules are very simple - this is a SLAM MATCH - pinfalls, count outs, and DQs don’t count. The first man to slam the other is the winner!
(to the AWA’s nerdy lawyer)Larry Z - YOU SUCK!!!
Ralph - Yukon John weighs 300 pounds, Adnan weighs 260 pounds - SHEIK’S GOTTA DO THE IMPOSSIBLE AND SLAM YUKON JOHN!
(as Adnan’s garish attire is revealed)Ralph - The Sheik, a fashion statement, I might add.
(on this boring slam match)Ralph - THIS IS THE KIND OF MATCHES THAT HAVE EXEMPLIFIED THE TEAM CHALLENGE SERIES!
Lee - Yes, NEXT WEEK, WE HAVE A WHOLE SHOW FULL OF THOSE MATCHES - INCLUDING A GRECO ROMAN BATTLE ROYAL!!
Ralph - THIS IS A CHESS MATCH!
Lee - YES! IT’S A TEAM CHALLENGE MATCH - FANS ALL OVER THE WORLD ARE TALKING ABOUT THEM!
Lee - They say the best way to remove an elephant from the road is to remove it a piece at the time, and that’s what the Sheik’s trying to do right now!
Ralph - THERE IT IIIIIIISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!

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The MVP of this show - Eric Bischoff - looking creepy, and with some grey hair.







Larry: One of you's wearing a wig and the other needs a dye job!

THE BARON!






THIS'LL SELL OUT ANY BUILDING IN THE COUNTRY!




Donna Gagne looking horrid.




Police are now investigating the beating that Mike Levy took during from Mickie Knuckles and about a dozen others during and after a Queen of the Deathmatches match.

I've been getting back into DoR 2 for the past few months, and had some great matches tonight, including one where JBL won a four way after hitting three standing Clotheslines from Hell in a row - 1 on Jeff Hardy, one on me (Samoa Joe), and then a 2nd on Jeff. I also had one where JBL spun a guy around via the kick counter, then hit the standing Clothesline From Hell after that, and one match where I, as Jeff Hardy, countered the standing Sweet Chin Music, then did the same leg spin-counter thing into the Twist of Fate on HBK.
 
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[quote name='mykevermin']This; it's a shame about Tomko, since they really did a good job building a personality for him during the Global Impact era.[/quote]


I liked Tomko and would have put him in a feud with the present champion for the World Heavyweight championship. I didn't particularly dig how they made him an ancillary character.
 
#1

Too add insult to injury, even Ian Rotten's young son, who appears to be 12-years-old, gets involved in the beatdown. The child can even be seen asking "daddy" if its alright to hit him. Levy, who is now outside the ring, gives the grounded Levy with a few stiff shots with a Kendo Stick. Moore follows this up by hitting Levy with a chair. While Levy is down, the child kicks him in the back of the head.

Following the incident, Knuckles was booked at two Impact tapings the next week. This is where she defeated ODB and Roxxi Laveaux in matches involving weapons. On Sunday, July 6, Knuckles broke her femur in her right leg after a botched attempt to dive off a platform onto Sara Del Rey during the main event at the IWA Mid-South Summertime Black & Blues indy show in Joliet, Illinois.


It sounds like things got a little uncivilized. One could suppose the great elephant karma god on our moon again set balance to our world. :bouncy:
 
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It sounds like things got a little uncivilized. One could suppose the great elephant karma god on our moon again set balance to our world. :bouncy:[/quote]

That video was almost too brutal to watch.
 
[quote name='chasemurata']#1






It sounds like things got a little uncivilized. One could suppose the great elephant karma god on our moon again set balance to our world. :bouncy:[/QUOTE]

That was just horrible. There's hardcore wrestling and working stiff, but that was just a mugging. Totally disgusting.
 
How pathetic. That right there is the problem with the business today. Losers teaching losers how to be fucking losers. Everyone in that match has no future whatsoever in the business.
 
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[quote name='GTzerO']Everyone in that match has no future whatsoever.[/QUOTE]

Abbreviated for accuracy.

Seriously, you think when Ian Rotten's finally bilked all the money he can out of every trailer trash retard who "enjoys" that shit, and he has finally run out of morons who think they are going to break into the business by taking a baseball bat to the skull in front of 38 clueless, unwashed fucksticks in a bowling alley parking lot that he is going to be able to walk into any other job that is worth a damn? Once he's out of business and too old to perform anymore, he is a useless waste of space. No wonder he's so obsessed with that ugly bitch doing well in the business, he's going to be relying on her for the rest of his life.
 
[quote name='Chuplayer']That was just horrible. There's hardcore wrestling and working stiff, but that was just a mugging. Totally disgusting.[/quote]


It was quite disgusting, especially when Rotten involved his son. Fortunately, the Karma Elephant moon person sought justice and taught that Knuckles "chick" a lesson.
 
Ok I can understand TNA wanting to promote their new game coming out and all, but using in-game footage during the intro and entrance themes is just fucking tacky.
 
[quote name='chasemurata']#1






It sounds like things got a little uncivilized. One could suppose the great elephant karma god on our moon again set balance to our world. :bouncy:[/QUOTE]

Not too surprising.

It isn't the first time Ian shot on a "$$$$$$" thanks to them not selling or stiffing people.

I wouldn't be surprised if Ian actually kicked the crap out of him because he's a homophobe.

http://www.wrestlinggonewrong.com/video/ianrotten_shoots_on_peterbbeauitful.html

That said, the guy did stiff Mickey alot.
 
[quote name='Sporadic']Not too surprising.

It isn't the first time Ian shot on a "$$$$$$" thanks to them not selling or stiffing people.

I wouldn't be surprised if Ian actually kicked the crap out of him because he's a homophobe.

http://www.wrestlinggonewrong.com/video/ianrotten_shoots_on_peterbbeauitful.html

That said, the guy did stiff Mickey alot.[/QUOTE]

Hate to play the "she started it" card, but she started it. It's not unheard of to stiff back in an effort to get the stiffing to stop. After a certain point, it seemed like the guy was just trying to survive because he knew he was in some deep shit.
 
[quote name='Chuplayer']Hate to play the "she started it" card, but she started it. It's not unheard of to stiff back in an effort to get the stiffing to stop. After a certain point, it seemed like the guy was just trying to survive because he knew he was in some deep shit.[/QUOTE]

Not really. The guy started it around 4:29 by legit kneeing Mickey in the face than instead of taking the receipt, he decided to shoot which caused Mickey to kick his ass.

I'm not saying the guy deserved the beating but if you are a no name and you want to work for IWA-MS, you better pull most of your shots or just take the punishment until you make a name for yourself because they will fuck you up.
 
Levy giving her "a stiff shot" doesn't warrant her and half a dozen guys beating the everloving shit out of him with weapons. There's no excuse for that, and it makes wrestling as a whole look horrible when shit like that goes down. Of course, Levy's such a stupid mark for the business that he's coming back for more. I guess it's the wrestling equivalent of the Darwin Awards. Make a name for yourself? In IWA-MS? This beating took place outside of a bowling alley for goodness sake.

Impact just sucked shit tonight. There was a district lack of wrestling on this show, with every match seeming like an excuse to have MORE ANGLES (although the matches on the show weren't bad, and were sometimes good, they came across as worthless). The TNA video game footage being used instead of the regular entrance video for both the show intro and the wrestlers looked horrible, there were way too many stupid talking segments, with seemingly everyone involved having undergone a lobotomy before the show.

AJ acted like a moron, as did Joe and DW and especially Tenay, who ranted and raved as if Sting had brutalized Joe's family with a bat - it's even more absurd since Sting hasn't been shown doing any of this, and this angle seems to hinge on Sting being the only person on Earth with access to black baseball bats. The only people speaking tonight who seemed to have any sense at all was Cornette who said that he wasn't sure where Sting's loyalties are, and Nash, who told Joe to calm the fuck down and stop ranting like a nutcase.

Then there was all the stupid shit with the Prince Justice Brotherhood trying to find Lethal's ring - why they care, I'm not exactly sure, although he did team with them tonight...for some reason. He's also mad at Val for losing his ring and screamed at her - he's the face in this feud. I think. Curry Man being used for racist jokes kills all the fun in his dancing goofball character - squinty eyes jokes? In 2008? Unreal.

THEN there was Karen's Angle with Kaz, which seemed to last about a minute, with Kaz revealing that he had to leave because he lost at Victory Road. This segment seemed rushed - this whole angle did, actually, it's like they ran through two months of storyline in three weeks, and did so in five minutes total. Then Tomko seemingly raped Karen or something, before joining Matt Morgan's mile high club. I missed Morgan's squash because I went to the kitchen to wrap a steak up, but I caught the sick-looking Hellevator on the jobber, which made the move seem devastating.

The matches on this show seemed completely worthless - Beer Money Inc. becomes number 1 contenders after winning 1 match and losing seemingly every other one they've had as a team. Boy, what a top team they are... At least the match was good.

The post-match stuff didn't make much sense, with Christian challenging 3D to 3D's specialty match - a New Jersey Street Fight...what? When have they ever wrestled in one of those? Also, isn't their specialty match the table match (which they've lost to the Naturals in 3 minutes before)? This was stupid, and led to more stupidity, as it built up 3D and Beer Money against Cage/Rhino and LAX in a no DQ match next week. Great, why pay for the street fight when they're going to have a no DQ match on free TV?

Angle-Styles was built up intensely at times, but, like everything else on this show, also had a layer of unintentional comedy to it, as DW stated that Angle was going to do whatever it takes to end AJ's career tonight, but then didn't touch the chair, Kendo stick, garbage can, garbage can lid, ball bat, chair, or ladder that he could've used to destroy AJ or at least injure him before the PPV. I guess if he'd done that, we'd have missed AJ cutting a promo against Sting's magic act.

Then there was Petey's promo, where he, as a Scott Steiner/Gladiator character, scolded Creed for not being original - okay, that was...fine. Then he did a bad Mr. Freeze impression, and did a good, logical job of burying Creed by stating that he'd never beaten anyone, so why should he take him seriously? A perfectly valid point, which Tenay tried to refute by showing footage of Creed pinning...a dude, I think Johnny Devine, in a random X division match last week that meant nothing and that I'd completely forgotten about.

It's worth noting that this was another show where 99% of it was spent with EVERYONE YELLING EVERY WORD IN THEIR PROMOS, which is another reason why only Nash and Cornette came off like the only sane human beings in the Impact Zone during this show. The show closing with Tenay wondering if we were finally gonna get the confrontation we wanted between Joe and Sting only to reveal...a bird...completely ruled. TNA - we are bird flu.

At this point, I half expect a segment where Koko B. Ware comes down from the rafters to defend the bird (and to reference him being one of the Blue Blazers in '99, which, aside from being a reference to Sting, would also be a reference that no one watching will get, which Russo loves to put in shows.

Quotes -
(on the number 1 contender’s match)Tenay - WHAT A CHANCE THIS IS FOR RHINO AND CHRISTIAN CAGE TO RISE TO THE TOP OF THE TAG TEAM RANKINGS!
(after Booker promises a friend appearing tonight)Tenay - WHAT’S THE STORY OF WHO’S BOOKER FRIEND IS!? COULD IT BE STING!??!!!
Tenay - THERE’S SO MUCH INTRIGUE IN TONIGHT’S IMPACT!
(after a Cage Cutter off the top)DW - OH WAS THAT CLOSE TO GOING TO HARD JUSTICE!
(after a double noggin knocker)DW - WOW, LOOK AT THE STRENGTH OF RHINO!!!
Tenay - DIDJA SEE THAT!? STORM SPIT THE BEER AT CHRISTIAN CAGE!
(during bloodiest brawl ad)AJ - When I taste my own blood, it makes me go crazy.
Angle - It makes me want to kill everything in sight.
(as heels cheat to win the next shot at the tag titles) Tenay - OH NOOOOOOOO!
(After a bunch of run-ins lead to a win, a TNA 4 LIFE sign is shown)
Cage - 3D, YOU’VE SCREWED US FOR THE LAST TIME! AT HARD JUSTICE, WE’LL FACE YOU IN YOUR BACKYARD, NEW JERSEY, IN YOUR KIND OF MATCH - A NEW JERSEY STREET FIGHT! WHAT THAT IS YOU BRING YOUR BEST AND WE’LL BRING OURS!
Hemme - WE’RE HERE TO ACCEPT THIS GRAMMY…
Lauren - You’re not here to accept a Grammy, you’re here to face Curry Man, Shark Boy, and Black Machismo.
Hemme - Are they in a band? Bring on the cartoon characters, we’re living the gimmick!
Tenay - The Rock and Rave Infection is living the double life of rock stars AND TNA Wrestlers! AT LEAST IN THEIR OWN MINDS!
Tenay - TWO THIRDS OF TNA’S PRINCE JUSTICE BROTHERHOOD TO TEAM UP HERE TONIGHT!
(after heels jump faces)Ref - WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU GUYS DOIN’? RING THE BELL!
DW - OBVIOUSLY THEY WEREN’T PAYING ATTENTION TO THE REFEREE’S INSTRUCTIONS!
Tenay - Lethal-Dutt at Hard Justice has been named a BLACK TIE BRAWL AND CHAIN MATCH!
DW - Val’s been acting squirrelly around THE GURU!
Tenay - JAY’S DOWN TO ONE KNEE!
Lethal - WHERE’S THE RING!? HOW COULD YOU LOSE IT!? I DON’T THINK YOU EVER WANTED TO MARRY ME!
Tenay - WOW, LET’S GO TO JB WITH LANCE SMITH FROM CMT!
Lance Smith - You got a lot of characters here - like a fish dude.
JB - Everyone here’s pretty normal.
JB - Joe, did you hear?
Joe - Hear what?
JB - Booker’s going to give a tour of the six sides of steel, THE VERY STRUCTURE YOU’LL FACE HIM IN AT HARD JUSTICE!
Joe - BOOKER, I HOPE YOU MAKE IT A PARTY OF THREE TONIGHT. BRING YOUR FRIEND, STING!
DW - BOY, IT LOOKS LIKE JOE’S SICK OF BEING KNOCKED ON HIS BELLY!
Tenay - LET’S GO TO JB WITH KEVIN NASH!
Nash - Don’t be upset, Joe…
Joe - DON’T BE UPSET! BOOKER’S OUT THERE INSULTING ME, MAN!
Booker - THIS IS MY SIX SIDES OF STEEL - WITH WEAPONS. OH YES! Weapons THAT WILL HURT A MAN REAL BAD! I’m gonna prove just how much of a gentleman I am - after I went to war with joe, I’m going to invite him out here to my six sided ring of steel! But I want Joe to know one thing - I’m the man up in this beast! And Joe, I promise you one thing - tonight, the lights will NOT GO OUT! I promise you that! (Joe comes out for his main event ring tour)
Joe - YOU ARE SADLY, SADLY MISTAKEN MY FRIEND! BOOKER, YOU WANT ME TO JOIN THIS TEA PARTY? LEMME WAR YOU, IF I GET IN THAT CAGE, I’M BEATING THE LIVING HELL OUT OF YOUR ASS! THE LIGHTS WILL GO OUT, BUT THEY’LL BE YOURS!
Tenay - TRASH CANS, CHAIRS, LADDERS, ALL THE WEAPONS IN PLACE OF THE SIX SIDES OF STEEL!
Booker - Wait a minute…(fans chant “Joe gonna kill you”) I just wanted to give you a little tour of the six sides of steel WITH WEAPONS! I look at you, and I see you ain’t wearing any weapons - I knew you wasn’t gonna come out here with no backup! I got myself some backup!
DW - THERE’S BIG SEXY KEVIN NASH!
Booker - I didn’t come out here for no trouble, Joe…
Tenay - JOE’S GOT HE SECURITY BATON IN HIS HAND! YOU CAN’T BLAME JOE FOR SNAPPING!
Tenay - THE BLACK BAT JUST CAME FROM THE CEILING - WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING, STING!?
DW - I CAN’T SEE STING ANYWHERE!
Tenay - DAMN YOU, STING!
AJ - STING, YOUR BAT KEEPS KNOCKING JOE OUT! WE’RE THE GOOD GUYS HERE, HOW IS THAT!? I NEVER THOUGHT I’D SAY THIS, NOT IN A MILLION YEARS - STING’S A COWARD! (Sting’s THEME HITS)
DW - THAT MUSTA BEEN THE WORD THAT SET HIM OFF!
Tenay - IT’S LIGHTS OUT IN THE IMPACT ZONE! IT’S KURT ANGLE! OLYMPIC SLAM!
Angle - YOU WANNA SLEEP WITH MY WIFE? FACE THE CONSEQUENCES!
DW - ANGLE JUST WANTS TO END AJ’S CAREER RIGHT HERE! (despite this, Angle doesn’t attack him with the ladder, chair, garbage can, Singapore cane, or table nearby)
Tenay - ANOTHER OLYMPIC SLAM!
Angelina - What’s the matter Shark Boy? Mermaids won’t pay for it anymore?
Shark Boy - The next time I gotta pay for it is the next time those two things stand up on their own! WHERE’S THE RING!?
Anglina - We don’t know what you’re talking about!
Shark Boy - Fine, we’ll leave, but if we find out you have it, I’ll stomp fishing holes in both your asses!
Ad Guy - TNA Home Video presents the Best of the Bloodiest Scars and Stitches!
Petey - Creed seems like he takes those superhero movies too seriously! The best villain ever? AHNOLD AS MR. FREEZE!
Lauren - You seem to be taking him lightly…
Petey - Why shouldn’t I? WHO HAS HE BEATEN? CREED, TO BE SOMETHING IN THIS BUSINESS, YOU HAVE TO BE SOMETHING FIRST!
Tenay - BOY, YOU TALK ABOUT A RISING STAR IN TNA, LET’S LOOK AT CONSEQUENCES CREED WINNING THE FOUR WAY LAST WEEK!
Sadler - TNA Wrestling, just like NASCAR, you gotta get it done in the ring!
Sadler - Petey Williams has really taken on some bad guy influences!
Tenay - Yeah, I think it started with the association with Scott Steiner. His career’s really gone around - HOW CAN YA BEAT BEING X DIVISION CHAMPION!?
Tenay - TO JB WITH LAX AND THE PRINCE JUSTICE BROTHERHOOD!
Shark Boy - Listen, chica, compared to my neighborhood, yours is Sesame Street!
Curry Man - I RIVE DIVE, LAX, GIVE US THE RING!
Lauren - AJ, do you believe that Sting had something to do with your attack?
AJ - I DON’T KNOW, I GUESS IT WAS MAGIC!! WELL, I DON’T BELIEVE IN MAGIC! KURT, 1-2-3 ISN’T GOOD ENOUGH! I NEED A LAST MAN STANDING MATCH!
(seconds later)DW - AT HARD JUSTICE, IT’LL BE AJ-KURT IN A LAST MAN STANDING MATCH!
Karen - You came back in 2006, and you were the ultimate underdog.
Kaz - Yes, facing Christian Cage in a ladder match was a moment I’ll never forget.
Karen - At Victory Road, you lost in the Ultimate X.
Kaz - Yes, I LOST!
Karen - It was a team…
Kaz - I’m tired of this interview, I’m tired of management. As of the end of this interview, I’m no longer in TNA. I made the choice to walk away.
(completely deadpan)Karen - I hope you reconsider. Because there will be many sad fans.
Tenay - AFTER THE INTERVIEW ENDED, THE TNA CAMERAS CONTINUED TO ROLL!
Tomko - Karen..
Karen - HELP ME! SOMEBODY HELP MEEEEEEEEEE!
Tomko - I don’t think the cameras need to see this…
Morgan - TOMKO, YOU THINK YOU’RE A BADASS INTIMIDATING GIRLS! YOU THINK YOU’RE A BADASS?! SHOW THE BLUE PRINT WHO THE REAL BADASS IN TNA IS! You probably can’t hear me since your head is crammed so far up Kurt Angle’s ass!
(Morgan sells before being hit)DW - TOMKO ATTACKS MORGAN!
DW - TOMKO JUST BECAME A MEMBER OF MATT MORGAN’S MILE HIGH CLUB! UNBELIEVABLE!
Curry Man - MONITOR! GOOD IDEA! MAYBE I SQUINT! AH SO, SONJAY STEERING RING!
Shark Boy - STEERING? WHAT IS THIS, NASCAR!? I’M GONNA GET OLD 24:7 AND DRIVE OVER YOUR AS…
Super Eric - Watch the language - THINK OF THE CHILDREN!
Ray - BEER MONEY AND TEAM 3D, TOGETHER! WHY?! BECAUSE WE’RE ALL SCUMBAGS! Jackie, you’ve got a little scumbag in ya too, right? ROOM 212! LAX, we’re sending you backt o Taco Bell! 8-MAN NO DQ MATCH! SOMEBODY’S GONNA GET HURT! Christian, you wanna challenge us to a Jersey street fight at Hard Justice? WE’RE FROM NEW YORK, HELL’S KITCHEN!
Tenay - AWESOME KONG IS BACK IN TNA!!
Tenay - JOE IS UP IN THE RAFTERS! IS THIS FINALLY THE SHOWDOWN WE WANTED TO SEE!? (a bird is shown, then Joe screams Sting‘s name)

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More screens -











Stupid characters = TNA 4 LIFE!


LAX looking dapper




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[quote name='JaytheGamefan']Levy giving her "a stiff shot" doesn't warrant her and half a dozen guys beating the everloving shit out of him with weapons.[/QUOTE]

[quote name='Sporadic']Not really. The guy started it around 4:29 by legit kneeing Mickey in the face than instead of taking the receipt, he decided to shoot which caused Mickey to kick his ass.

I'm not saying the guy deserved the beating but if you are a no name and you want to work for IWA-MS, you better pull most of your shots or just take the punishment until you make a name for yourself because they will fuck you up.[/QUOTE]

[quote name='JaytheGamefan']Make a name for yourself? In IWA-MS? This beating took place outside of a bowling alley for goodness sake.[/QUOTE]

Ok, make a name for yourself in IWA-MS. As in, if you are not a regular of IWA-MS, you better not fuck around because they will beat the shit out of you. It's been that way since they've opened.
 
That's not a good thing, and nothing Levy did warranted the beating he got - he had no business being in the ring anyway given that he was apparently either untrained or had too little training, but that doesn't excuse the actions of the IWA-MS crew, who seems to be too full of their own shit for their own good.

They clearly brought Levy to the show to assault him, which will no doubt happen the next time he does a show as well - they can try to spin it into an angle all they want, but it seems pretty clear that they only put him on the show to beat him up badly.
 
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[quote name='JaytheGamefan']That's not a good thing, and nothing Levy did warranted the beating he got - Mickie busted her own face up with headbutts and Levy got blamed. Now the guy had no business being in the ring anyway given that he was apparently either untrained or had too little training, but that doesn't excuse the actions of the IWA-MS crew, who seems to be too full of their own shit for their own good. They clearly brought Levy to the show to assault him, which will no doubt happen the next time he does a show as well.[/QUOTE]

[quote name='Sporadic']I'm not saying the guy deserved the beating[/QUOTE]

I'm not saying that it's a good thing or that he deserved it but it's IWA-MS. The guy had to have known what (could possibly) happen to him by filling a slot in the Queen Of The Deathmatch tournament. I mean, IWA-MS has been around for years, they've always ran business like this and this isn't the first time they have done something like this.

The guy stiffed her causing her to have a black eye, she kicked his ass and that were it should have ended (imo)

They didn't bring him to the show just to beat him up. He wasn't suppose to wrestling until people started no showing the tournment.

Here's a better backstory summary.

On the CZWFans forum, the IWA-Deep South promoter announced this awful backyard kid as a participant in the 2008 Carnage Cup (http://www.myspace.com/misfitmikelevy). It became a running ironic joke to talk how awesome he was, and how they wanted to get him booked at CZW, etc. Basically just a message board meme.

This kid was also going to KOTDM just to watch. Of course, there were no-shows for the Queen of the Deathmatch, so Mike Burns told Ian how "over" Mike Levy was with the message board, and Ian booked him against Mickie Knuckles.
 
This is what I'm wondering, why would you make it extremely clear that the show is fake? I mean, they basically took all meaning away from every other match on their show. One of the fans said " Learn how to sell" and " now you wanna sell huh?", seriously, why the hell are you there? You're paying money to watch guys in underwear ( or in this case, baggy shorts with boots ) fake fight each other yet you're too hipcool to even suspend your disbelief.
 
There's more on the incident here - http://board.deathvalleydriver.com/index.php?showtopic=45225&st=280&p=900963&#entry900963

A bunch of people on the Internet (mostly CZWFans) were hyping (jokingly I might add) a backyard wrestler from North Carolina named Mike Levy. He kept getting a lot of hype for weeks, and IWA Mid South's annual King of the Deathmatches tournament was coming up. So Ian Rotten booked him. Levy actually got put into the Queen of the Deathmatches tournament (And yes there is a female deathmatch tournament. Sigh.) against Ian's dughter/whatever Mickie Knuckles. Note that Mickie Knuckles was doing a deathmatch tournament a week before she signed her TNA contract.

Anyways, so right off the bat, Mickie just destroys this poor dude. She annihilates him with legit strikes and weapon shots. Levy, who was just trying to defend himself, also starts throwing legit punches. This pisses off Mickie so she kicks his ass even more. This goes on for about 8-10 minutes. During this, Mickie gives HERSELF a big lump on her head from headbutting Levy so much. Ian Rotten and her blamed Levy for the bump, even though it was clearly Mickie's fault. So anyway, Mickie pins the guy after throwing him off the turnbuckles onto a ladder. Mickie leaves, and right after that, two guys in the Men's tournament, Tank and Devon Moore, run out and curbstomp Levy onto the ladder. And Tank is about 400 pounds. This was all legit.

So after that, Moore gets on the mic and starts cursing Levy out and telling him to "learn to sell" (which makes very little sense, way to break kayfabe Devon Moore). After that Moore kicks Levy with one of the hardest super kicks ever and Levy rolls out of the ring. While he's out there, Ian Rotten and his SON start hitting Levy with weapons. Ian then gets on the mic and starts yelling at Levy for giving Mickie a huge goose egg on her head (again, not Levy's fault) and it might hurt her chances in getting a contract in TNA. Two other people, Rollin Hard and Mad Man Pondo come out and also start hitting Levy with weapons. Pondo also gives Levy a very unsafe looking suplex on a walker. They all leave after that, but not until Rollin Hard gives Levy a wedgie.
 
[quote name='GTzerO']This is what I'm wondering, why would you make it extremely clear that the show is fake? I mean, they basically took all meaning away from every other match on their show. One of the fans said " Learn how to sell" and " now you wanna sell huh?", seriously, why the hell are you there? You're paying money to watch guys in underwear ( or in this case, baggy shorts with boots ) fake fight each other yet you're too hipcool to even suspend your disbelief.[/QUOTE]

Those weren't fans saying that...but anyways it's deathmatch wrestling.

People are there to watch wrestlers smash each other with light tubes/barbed wire/tables/ladders/chairs/random shit. I'm sure they don't care that the people are "fake fighting" when they are also legitimately whacking the shit out of each other with a ton of foreign objects.

[quote name='JaytheGamefan']There's more on the incident here - http://board.deathvalleydriver.com/index.php?showtopic=45225&st=280&p=900963&#entry900963[/QUOTE]

Except that isn't how it happened.

The guy wasn't prebooked, he stiffed her first and the black eye wasn't Mickie's fault.

I don't want it to seem that I'm defending Ian's actions (because I'm not) but at least get the story right.
 
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[quote name='Sporadic']Those weren't fans saying that...but anyways it's deathmatch wrestling.

People are there to watch wrestlers smash each other with light tubes/barbed wire/tables/ladders/chairs/random shit. I'm sure they don't care that the people are "fake fighting" when they are also legitimately whacking the shit out of each other with a ton of foreign objects.

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Some fans did say that, or maybe that was actually wrestler out there. Hard to tell. I'm not referring to the dude on the microphone. It was near the end. Whoops, that was actually rotten, but that just makes it worse. I wish McMahon would tell somebody to sell during a match, but this is a different ball game I guess.

See, that's what I don't get, though. I'm not going to diss the people that like that stuff, but I can't stand it. It's entertaining the first 10 or so times you see it, so I commend the people who have been with them so long. For that reason, I think I'm a bit biased on this.
 
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So, I just watched Raw. Oddly enough, Raw seems more focused now that their present aspiration is to earn a PG rating. They nicely built up the debut of Mike Adamle as the new Raw General Manager by tossing out hints throughout the night (see: Lillian misusing "tag team championship" while reading the notes of the new Raw GM).

Santino is still gold. His trombone taunt is hysterical! :lol:

A mild aside, Robert Duncan needs to stop leasing out the Buffy "Chosen" music. Every time I hear it used in anything other than "Chosen", or the teasers for that episode, I find it extraordinarily irritating. Yes, yes, it's his music, but it needs to stop.

"Kofi rides the elevator, and Jamie rides the shaft."

The lines they feed Mike Adamle can be somewhat amusing. However, JBL is what WWE needs. I much prefer JBL as a heel commentator.

"I know who that is; that's a man's man."

See? WWE needs JBL on commentary. Something for the casual crowd and goodies for us tenured fans. Plus, he puts over people (see: CM Punk) while still acting heel. That takes talent, people.

I would be in favor of WWE Creative allowing Paul Burchill to ride Katie Lea's coattails into a possible Intercontinental title reign. Katie Lea entering a feud with, Women's champion, Mickie James, and Paul Burchill stalking the Intercontinental title picture? Is someone listening to me out there in the great, wide Internets?

They censored "hos", by the bye. Just in case you missed it.

Modern sinister heel Chris Jericho is a great character. It is a nice separation from his playful days. After his feud with Shawn Michaels, I think he deserves a World Heavyweight title run as a reward for how well he played the role.

I find it hard to believe WWE still allows Regal to do the Half-Nelson suplex. It seems like something fun they would ban. Oh, and Regal needs to lose the body-tank. I miss his power gut. :whistle2:(

I expect Mike Adamle to be further portrayed as an outsider running WWE Raw. He will do things differently than what is expected, and that should keep things interesting. Adamle will not have to cut promos if he remains a Raw commentator as his commentary will give insight as to what he thinks.

Hopefully, July 28, 2008 is just the start of more focused shows.
 
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Speaking of which... the next RAW is happening 20 minutes from my house. It would be pretty cool to go, but I really have any friends who would be into it.
 
[quote name='xcoax']Speaking of which... the next RAW is happening 20 minutes from my house. It would be pretty cool to go, but I really have any friends who would be into it.[/quote]


Perhaps pick a peck of street patrons? Sometimes, hobos just need love. :^o:booty:
 
As boring as he was in the ring, JBL was a great announcer. I can't watch Raw, but does Michael Cole reflect on when they were the commentating team on SD? It would be cool to hear him root for his former partner.
 
[quote name='DQT']As boring as he was in the ring, JBL was a great announcer. I can't watch Raw, but does Michael Cole reflect on when they were the commentating team on SD? It would be cool to hear him root for his former partner.[/quote]


You expect continuity from WWE? ;) No, Michael Cole only regards JBL as a heel. The days of referring to history have long since past. In WWE's mind, if it's not current it's not relevant. They have chosen to become one-dimensional.
 
[quote name='xcoax']Speaking of which... the next RAW is happening 20 minutes from my house. It would be pretty cool to go, but I really have any friends who would be into it.[/quote]
Why not just go by yourself? It's not like anyone's going to care, or even notice, for that matter.
 
[quote name='lmz00']Why not just go by yourself? It's not like anyone's going to care, or even notice, for that matter.[/QUOTE]

Its a combination of not wanting to be there by myself/not wanting to pay what they're asking for decent seats. I'd rather save $50 and watch it from home. If I were to go, I wouldn't want to sit in the upper balcony, and those are the only tickets in the viable price range for me.

It would be pretty neat to meet some of the wrestlers out on the town though, so maybe I'll just wander around downtown and see whats up...
 
I recommend this costume to get the proper attention.

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That should do the trick. Don't forget your beard.
 
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