The Avatar thread!!! A masterpiece :)

Great special effects but I lost interest in the story around the 2nd half of the movie. It's not a bad film but admittedly I was a little disapointed.
 
[quote name='rumblebear']What an utter disappointment. It's essentially a dumbed down dances with wolves with Peter Jackson's King Kong extravagance treatment. Good visuals but that's about it. The blatant Indian culture completely ruined any sense of fascination with the alien race. And WTF is with the treason part? Way to go James Cameron for reinforcing the slander that left wing tree huggers are American hating traitors.[/QUOTE]
How did you get that out of a movie where all the protagonists were on the 'left wing tree hugger' side? They were fighting to stop a generic evil corporation from taking over a peaceful nature world. I don't know where USA comes into this other than some anti capitalism messages (and that stupid comment on how they will not be terrorized or something like that).

The rest of your criticisms are pretty fair. Won't stop me from enjoying it, though.
 
[quote name='Dead of Knight']Pretty much all the movies he ripped off are even older than that.[/QUOTE]
Kubrick was such a hack. Can you believe that The Shining was a book before it was a movie?!
This only applies if you are saying it makes Cameron a less skilled story-teller simply because he adapts material. Your post seems to imply that.
 
I really liked how Guile is in this movie, with some awesome scars. I don't know why he started cutting his hair that short though.
 
I just want to see if I can say this without being flamed.

Saw the movie last night and while I didn't hate it, I can't really get behind it with the fierceness others have. Visually it was very nice and I'm sure we will see more movies being pushed into 3-D now. But the characters, how much the actors made me feel for them? Not there. Story was very predictable and the film really doesn't do much that I would call revolutionary or a masterpiece. Visually perhaps, but it's not really sticking with me.
 
[quote name='sotc1988']Kubrick was such a hack. Can you believe that The Shining was a book before it was a movie?!
This only applies if you are saying it makes Cameron a less skilled story-teller simply because he adapts material. Your post seems to imply that.
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The quote you quoted was talking about movies copying movies, not movies adapting books.
 
[quote name='sotc1988']Kubrick was such a hack. Can you believe that The Shining was a book before it was a movie?!
This only applies if you are saying it makes Cameron a less skilled story-teller simply because he adapts material. Your post seems to imply that.
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Fail. We're not talking about adapting material. We're talking about him copying movies that have been out for years.
 
[quote name='Dead of Knight']Fail. We're not talking about adapting material. We're talking about him copying movies that have been out for years.[/QUOTE]
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[quote name='blueweltall']Saw it in Imax 3D and it was amazing. Best movie of the year for me.[/QUOTE]


Same :D. Can't wait till it gets released on blu-ray. Which should take how long? till april/may?
 
[quote name='david12795']Same :D. Can't wait till it gets released on blu-ray. Which should take how long? till april/may?[/QUOTE]

No details on home release announced, yet. I know that the spec for Blu-Ray 3D was just finalized; I wouldn't be surprised if Cameron wants to hold out until that is out in force (the theatrical release was delayed an entire year, to wait for more theaters to install 3D systems).
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']No details on home release announced, yet. I know that the spec for Blu-Ray 3D was just finalized; I wouldn't be surprised if Cameron wants to hold out until that is out in force (the theatrical release was delayed an entire year, to wait for more theaters to install 3D systems).[/QUOTE]



I think it would be reasonable if he releases the 2D version anyway without delaying it because no one will want to buy a blu-ray 3D player right away and consumers can have an option of both 2D or 3D (which can be released later)


Although, I saw it in 3D imax, I want to see it in 2D if there's any difference :p
 
I heard the PS3 should be able to support 3D with an update later, but I think you would also still need a 3D ready TV also.

So I'm pretty sure there won't be any delay for a regular 2D blu ray version as most household won't be 3D ready. It's a really good movie, so I wouldn't mind having to pay for both version.
 
Yeah, yeah, of course they won't delay a 2D version. The studio wouldn't tolerate it. I was just talking about Cameron's fussyness.

I'm planning on constructing an all-out home theater (12 foot screen, yadda yadda) sometime, but I'm going to hold out until there are 3D-capable 1080p projectors available. 8)
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']No details on home release announced, yet. I know that the spec for Blu-Ray 3D was just finalized; I wouldn't be surprised if Cameron wants to hold out until that is out in force (the theatrical release was delayed an entire year, to wait for more theaters to install 3D systems).[/QUOTE]

I'm going to throw out wild and complete speculation here and say that there will be at LEAST 3 different major releases for Avatar. First , standard 2D version. Second , "traditional" 3D version using the old fashion 3D glasses. Third , a "true" 3D version once BR 3D and/or Sterostopic (Sterosopic? SP?) TVs become readily available.

I have no idea whether the movie could be converted to using traditional 3D visuals and glasses for a home release since the movie wasn't originally designed for it , but I wouldn't be surprised to see fox attempt to do it anyway.
 
[quote name='StarKnightX']Second , "traditional" 3D version using the old fashion 3D glasses.[/QUOTE]

I have to hope that Cameron wouldn't let them cheapen it with that red/blue crap.
 
[quote name='StarKnightX']I'm going to throw out wild and complete speculation here and say that there will be at LEAST 3 different major releases for Avatar. First , standard 2D version. Second , "traditional" 3D version using the old fashion 3D glasses. Third , a "true" 3D version once BR 3D and/or Sterostopic (Sterosopic? SP?) TVs become readily available.

I have no idea whether the movie could be converted to using traditional 3D visuals and glasses for a home release since the movie wasn't originally designed for it , but I wouldn't be surprised to see fox attempt to do it anyway.[/QUOTE]


Haha that'll take years.
 
[quote name='david12795']Haha that'll take years.[/QUOTE]

3D HDTVs, using technology that is functionally comparable to to what they have in RealD 3D theaters (again, none of that red/blue crap), are already available, and better stuff will be coming out next year. Now that Blu-Ray 3D is finalized, 3D home theater stuff is set to really take off, I think.
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']3D HDTVs, using technology that is functionally comparable to to what they have in RealD 3D theaters (again, none of that red/blue crap), are already available, and better stuff will be coming out next year. Now that Blu-Ray 3D is finalized, 3D home theater stuff is set to really take off, I think.[/QUOTE]

Wow! I had no idea. I just looked it up on google. They are saying consumers should hold back if they are looking for a standard HDTV. Too bad most consumers won't start using 3D technology right away since they already have a standard HDTV in their household. IM not even using an HDTV. Let alone a blu ray 3D. :p
 
First off, I absolutely loved this movie. The CG was the best I've ever seen and the 3D was done tastefully and was not just for lame effects.

My question: How much of this movie was actually written/conceived of back in the mid 90s? There are obviously things in the movie that appear to be taken from other recent movies or games (Halo, Gears, D9). I wonder how much of the plot and the actual characters/environments in the movie were thought of before Halo/Matrix/etc came along in early 2000s. If James Cameron had drawing boards for most of this stuff early in the 90s, then I'd say this movie was insanely original, just done after everything else.
 
[quote name='rusty']My question: How much of this movie was actually written/conceived of back in the mid 90s? There are obviously things in the movie that appear to be taken from other recent movies or games (Halo, Gears, D9). I wonder how much of the plot and the actual characters/environments in the movie were thought of before Halo/Matrix/etc came along in early 2000s. If James Cameron had drawing boards for most of this stuff early in the 90s, then I'd say this movie was insanely original, just done after everything else.[/QUOTE]

The script was written in early 2006, based on treatments and scriptments from the past 12 years before that (and hell, Cameron's basic image for the Na'vi dates back to the mid-70s). Production design was worked on from 2006, up to mid-2007, when they started filming. I really doubt there is anything from Gears of War or D9 in here, obviously.

I'm glad you liked the movie, but the talk of Avatar aping production design from Halo and whatnot is tiresome. :/
 
when a fan asked him to sign an Avatar poster. Cameron refused. The man went back to Cameron and asked again to which James replied, “I don’t owe you a f**king signature … just get out of my f**king personal space.”
That’s when the fan lost it and replied, “I’m an a**hole because I ask someone I admire for their autograph that makes me an a**hole? I make $15-an-hour at work to go see your film and I’m an a**hole?”
Ultimately, James calmly walked away from the situation while the fan continued to yell at him
 
[quote name='Ikohn4ever']when a fan asked him to sign an Avatar poster. Cameron refused. The man went back to Cameron and asked again to which James replied, “I don’t owe you a f**king signature … just get out of my f**king personal space.”
That’s when the fan lost it and replied, “I’m an a**hole because I ask someone I admire for their autograph that makes me an a**hole? I make $15-an-hour at work to go see your film and I’m an a**hole?”
Ultimately, James calmly walked away from the situation while the fan continued to yell at him[/QUOTE]

Wow. Dude had a point.
 
Uh oh, someone from the entertainment business acting like a regular human being.

It sounds to me like the guy (who some claim was just an autograph hound out to flip signed crap on eBay) was pestering him, so, whatever. I'd probably do it, to. Wait, of COURSE I would.
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']The script was written in early 2006, based on treatments and scriptments from the past 12 years before that (and hell, Cameron's basic image for the Na'vi dates back to the mid-70s). Production design was worked on from 2006, up to mid-2007, when they started filming. I really doubt there is anything from Gears of War or D9 in here, obviously.

I'm glad you liked the movie, but the talk of Avatar aping production design from Halo and whatnot is tiresome. :/[/QUOTE]

My entire question was to try to show that Gears/Halo/etc did NOT have an impact on this film...
 
I've gotta say, I wasn't expecting to like it as much as I did. I thought it was really good on all fronts.

The story... Yeah, yeah, so it's been done before, whatever. The only thing I care about is weather or not it was done well, not if someone else has already done it, and I think in this case it was done well.

The visuals... fuck me, were done very well. The 3D wasn't overdone, nor did it look cheesy or gimmicky. Definitely looking forward to a Blu-Ray release of this.
 
why would this person have someone recording this? seems like he was setting up james cameron and not really wanting a autograph.

ps
saw it a 4th time in 2d really able to tell the diffrence from 3d showing.
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']I'd probably do it, to. Wait, of COURSE I would.[/QUOTE]

You heard it here first: CoffeeEdge would TOTALLY flip out over some insignificant shit.

I know - I was surprised too.
 
Wow, look at the shit storm that is in this thread.

Just saw it today, like everyone said amazing CGI plot is a little Disney but that didnt make it crap. I am not even going to try to get into what ever the hell you guys are arguing about.
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']Wow, look at the shit storm that is in this thread.

Just saw it today, like everyone said amazing CGI plot is a little Disney but that didnt make it crap. I am not even going to try to get into what ever the hell you guys are arguing about.[/QUOTE]

qft on that.

dont really care about the incident(s) either. this movie was a emotional roller coaster for me. I really got in to it. Personally for me and for me only, its the best movie i have ever seen. I love the the attention to detail on the wildlife and the people on pandora. I saw this in IMAX also and again, it was stunning. best CGI movie made in years.
 
Just saw District 9 and I have to say this comparison to Avatar is spot-on (excerpt below)

Politics: Avatar has a simple, but effective, corporations vs. aliens theme. In contrast, District 9 has more realistic politics. At first, humans are curious about the aliens and even welcoming. Later, they become a “social problem.” Aliens have weird habits, they attract the mafia, buy drugs, etc. Corporations are just the tool that people use to “solve” the alien “question.”
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http://orgtheory.wordpress.com/2009/12/26/district-9-avatar/
 
Avatar is about humans discovering some self sustaining intelligent aliens on a planet with resources they want in a universe where aliens have already been found. District 9 is about a bunch of retarded aliens coming to earth in modern times and becoming a nuisance. I think the politics in both are fairly realistic (with the scientists in Avatar at the 'curious' stage and the military/corporation just thinking of them as savages who are getting in their way and trying to kill them).
 
[quote name='DrFoo']Avatar is about humans discovering some self sustaining intelligent aliens on a planet with resources they want in a universe where aliens have already been found. District 9 is about a bunch of retarded aliens coming to earth in modern times and becoming a nuisance. I think the politics in both are fairly realistic (with the scientists in Avatar at the 'curious' stage and the military/corporation just thinking of them as savages who are getting in their way and trying to kill them).[/QUOTE]

You're half-correct. You nailed the setting and context of the two movies, but not what they're really about. What's the protagonist doing in each?
 
[quote name='Ikohn4ever']when a fan asked him to sign an Avatar poster. Cameron refused. The man went back to Cameron and asked again to which James replied, “I don’t owe you a f**king signature … just get out of my f**king personal space.”
That’s when the fan lost it and replied, “I’m an a**hole because I ask someone I admire for their autograph that makes me an a**hole? I make $15-an-hour at work to go see your film and I’m an a**hole?”
Ultimately, James calmly walked away from the situation while the fan continued to yell at him[/QUOTE]
Watching the video, it's obvious he wasn't a fan. And the "fan" acted like a total dick - he just shoves the poster in his face and then starts mumbling some BS (which you can't hear). And I heard that the "fan" was an employee of TMZ (or one of the photographers that supply to them) and if you know anything about those Dbag paparazzi they are there to get those kind of reactions. Also, the cutting up of the video (done by TMZ) doesn't show the whole thing. So, I'm guessing they left out important bits.
 
They chances are cut everything to make it look like Cameron is an ass. I have not read much of this thread in the past week or so due to people that hate it and people that liked it bitching back and forth. I don't know if this was posted but Avatar one of 5 movies to pass 1 billion dollars world wide.

James has 2 out of the 5 movies in the list.

Titanic 1.8 billion worldwide
The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King 1.13 billion world wide
Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest 1.06 billion world wide
The Dark Knight at a fraction over 1 billion world wide
Avata 1.02 billion world wide and still counting

So this could be the highest grossing movie of all time when looking at just ticket sales.
 
[quote name='sendme']They chances are cut everything to make it look like Cameron is an ass. I have not read much of this thread in the past week or so due to people that hate it and people that liked it bitching back and forth. I don't know if this was posted but Avatar one of 5 movies to pass 1 billion dollars world wide.

James has 2 out of the 5 movies in the list.

Titanic 1.8 billion worldwide
The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King 1.13 billion world wide
Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest 1.06 billion world wide
The Dark Knight at a fraction over 1 billion world wide
Avata 1.02 billion world wide and still counting

So this could be the highest grossing movie of all time when looking at just ticket sales.[/QUOTE]

It's a shame Pirates 2 is on that list. Other than that, it's a list of incredible movies. Pirates just went completely down the shitter after Black Pearl.
 
The only one that I have not seen is The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King. Never got into them movies so I have not seen it. Dead Man's Chest wasn't bad but you are right about them going down the shitter after Black Pearl. I would have thought that The Dark Knight would have made more. Well atleast more then Dead Man's Chest but that is more for kids then TDK was. I would not be surprised if Avatar made 1.2 or 1.22 billion by the time its run was over in theaters.
 
[quote name='sendme']The only one that I have not seen is The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King. Never got into them movies so I have not seen it. Dead Man's Chest wasn't bad but you are right about them going down the shitter after Black Pearl. I would have thought that The Dark Knight would have made more. Well atleast more then Dead Man's Chest but that is more for kids then TDK was. I would not be surprised if Avatar made 1.2 or 1.22 billion by the time its run was over in theaters.[/QUOTE]


Agreed... its gotten a ridiculous amount of hype now going into January... most of my buddies and co workers who have seen it - love it
 
Ok, just saw it less than an hour ago.

I have only two words: fuckING AMAZING.

Put Star Wars on the shelf, 'cause it can't stand up to what Cameron created in Avatar. And to think that many people, myself included, thought it would be a giant bomb. Oh boy I have never been so glad to be proven wrong.
 
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