The Black Cena Wrestling Thread

[quote name='JJSP']Screw you, Khali. Either murder someone already or get out of the ring.[/QUOTE]

he already has.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Khali#Brian_Ong_incident

On 28 May 2001, Brian Ong died after receiving a flapjack from Singh. Ong had suffered a previous concussion during the session, but the trainers gave him a lower evaluation for not avoiding injuries and told him to continue training. In addition, it was proven that Ong did not receive protective gear or supervision by All Pro Wrestling (APW) staff. This second concussion ultimately proved fatal for him. As Singh inadvertently caused his death, Ong's family brought a lawsuit against APW. APW was found liable for recklessness after less than a day of deliberations, awarding the Ong family for damages of over $1.3 million.
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For a man his size, he should easily put away three jobbers a month. I demand Khali spend a year at FCW to help "future endeavor" a few rookies.
 
[quote name='diddy310']Now that Bret's back they'll probably send the Dynasty over to Smackdown for the month to feud with the Gatecrashers or SES.[/QUOTE]
Aren't they already on SD?

I've been without cable and internet for the past week, so I decided to marathon my Ladder Match and The Rock DVD sets. Holy fuck, there's an enormous gap of quality that I never really noticed from 2006 and beyond to now. The commentary is on point with JR and King (2 of my favorite matches with them from both sets are The Rock vs. HHH at Backlash 2000, and Jeff Hardy vs. Undertaker in a ladder match on Raw); almost all of the matches, bar a stinker or two, are great, and the style of wrestling during each match is worlds apart from what I saw watching Raw last night.

I know that pining over the old days isn't going to help anyone, but it's so weird how I've just "accepted" this residual change over the years without so much as batting an eyelash. It's like that joke from one of the "future" episodes of the Simpsons, where Marge remarks "Fox turned into a hardcore sex channel so gradually, I didn't even notice."

As for Raw itself last night, it certainly wasn't anything to write home about, and saying that "oh, it was after a PPV, of course it'll be bad" is hardly an excuse. It was as good, if not better/worse than your average episode of Raw, and there's no denying that. And as much as I've hated on/made fun of TNA in the past (and still do), I doubt many people here would give the same leeway to them right after a PPV.
 
That's really the problem, though, isn't it? Gradual or not, this is what we have, and it's not going anywhere. There's no competiton, and it's not as if Vince is going anywhere until he dies. They stay the course, make money hand over fist, and that's the end of it. Every once in a while you'll get a glimmer that someone in the back gives a shit about the product (initial Nexus attack, Jericho/Michaels from a few years ago, Taker/Michaels), but it's generally fleeting. I really want someone here to tell me that they are honestly excited to see that Cena Army vs. Nexus match at SummerSlam... go ahead, I dare you. That won't be a good match, and it comes at the expense of once again shrinking back when you have the opportunity to do something interesting at the top.

Overall, the product is bland and stale, with *just enough* to keep me paying attention. It has been, however, close to a decade since I've watched all programming weekly, and now I don't even watch Raw weekly. I keep up with it for the moments I care about, like Hart/Michaels, Taker/Michaels, and most of what Jericho does.

This is going to make me sound like an old guy, but most of WWE is just noise.
 
Watching Raw, as sad as it might sound, is just part of my routine nowadays. I know there's better things I could be doing during those 2 hours (practicing SSFIV, watching the early seasons of KOTH on Adult Swim), but I'm just stuck in my ways.

As for the quality of the product, I'll agree with you. It's bland to a point where when something different does finally happen ("finally" being the key word), by all comparisons it looks completely amazing. One could possibly mention the same thing about SD, but at least that show tends to put on more matches than Raw on a weekly basis, exciting or not.

As I mentioned before, pining over the past or what "could've been" won't help, but when the highlight of Summerfest is looking to be the Super Cena Army Dream Team All-Star Brigade Spectacular II Turbo HD Remix vs. The Nexus, then I have a valid reason to worry.

EDIT: I really don't know how I went off to a mini-rant right there. :lol:
 
[quote name='Mr. Beef']Aren't they already on SD?

I've been without cable and internet for the past week, so I decided to marathon my Ladder Match and The Rock DVD sets. Holy fuck, there's an enormous gap of quality that I never really noticed from 2006 and beyond to now. The commentary is on point with JR and King (2 of my favorite matches with them from both sets are The Rock vs. HHH at Backlash 2000, and Jeff Hardy vs. Undertaker in a ladder match on Raw); almost all of the matches, bar a stinker or two, are great, and the style of wrestling during each match is worlds apart from what I saw watching Raw last night.

I know that pining over the old days isn't going to help anyone, but it's so weird how I've just "accepted" this residual change over the years without so much as batting an eyelash. It's like that joke from one of the "future" episodes of the Simpsons, where Marge remarks "Fox turned into a hardcore sex channel so gradually, I didn't even notice."

As for Raw itself last night, it certainly wasn't anything to write home about, and saying that "oh, it was after a PPV, of course it'll be bad" is hardly an excuse. It was as good, if not better/worse than your average episode of Raw, and there's no denying that. And as much as I've hated on/made fun of TNA in the past (and still do), I doubt many people here would give the same leeway to them right after a PPV.[/QUOTE]

Honestly, the attitude era wasn't that much better looking back. Justin.tv has various channels streaming the old Raw/Smackdown/PPV from that time and alot of the time (besides the stuff with top guys) it wasn't that interesting watching again.
 
Well, I have a fondness for it not simply because it was the attitude era, but mainly because that was what I grew up with. And yeah, some of those past storylines were pretty bad ("WHERE TO, STEPHANIE!?"), but since I had nothing to compare them to, I couldn't really complain could I?

EDIT: Bwahaha @ this from another thread.

Superfriends
Cena = Superman
Khali = Apache Chief
Morrison = The Flash
R-Truth = Black Vulcan
Jericho
Edge
Hart

vs. The Legion of Doom
Barret = Lex Luthor
Skip = Solomon Grundy
Young = Bizarro
Otunga
Tarver
Slater
Gabriel
 
[quote name='JJSP']ATT Uverse is now carrying WWE Classics On Demand.[/QUOTE]

say whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat

What channel and how much extra is it?

- edit Found it...kind of disappointing selection wise. Maybe if it was $5 or under I would bite.

Shorties:
DX Mocks The Nation
Evolution vs Dudley Boys
Fabulous Freebirds 6 Man tag match from 84
Hart Foundation vs LOD and Sid
Latino World Order 8 Man Tag Match

Big Ones:
WWE Survivor Series 1990
WCW Superbrawl 1992 Part 1 & 2
WWE Old School: MSG 8/25/86 Part 2

TV Classics:
History Of ECW 4/15/97
Mid-Atlantic Wrestling 4/7/82
MNW: WCW Nitro 4/6/98
MNW: WWE Raw 4/6/98
NWA Wrestling 6/20/87
WCCW 10/15/83
WWE Prime Time 9/27/88

Legends:
Ric Flair Hall Of Fame Speech
Ric Flair vs Curt Hennig
Ric Flair vs Jay Youngblood
Ric Flair vs Kerry Von Erich
Ric Flair vs Ricky Steamboat
The Legends Of Wrestling: Factions
The New And Improved DX Part 3
The New And Improved DX Part 4
WWE Hall Of Fame: Ric Flair
 
Wow. Randy Orton is #2 on Twitter, behind Lindsay Lohan. I'm almost impressed.

Edit: Jeremy Piven was a good guest host.
 
A friend of mine asked me why Randy Orton was that high on Twitter, since he's been out of the wrestling loop for a while. I couldn't give him an honest answer, since I don't know why either.
 
The only significant thing I can think of that happened on Raw last night involving Randy was that he became #1 contender.

Twitter is so stupid.
 
I gotta say, Cody's new theme is pretty awesome. It's fucking giant-frosted-hair 80's cock rock and stands out against most others.

Good tag match tonight, and decent promo from Husky, despite his corny-ass catchphrase.

Percy Watson is teeming with charisma, but if he's coming out to get read the riot act from MVP, he shouldn't be all smiles and doing his 'Oh Yeah!' pose.

EDIT: LOL Kofi on Hennig: "He's got a chip on his shoulder. He's ready to have fun." That shit was TAPED, too. :lol:
 
I hope Lucky Cannon gets hit by a truck. Dude's got charisma and talent like a rice cake has flavor and calories. And the only person who can get away with kissing the crowd's ass like he does is Mick Foley.
 
Didn't see the PPV, but the results looked good. I predicted everything correctly except for Kane's victories. I like Kane being champion, but it came out of nowhere. Rey Mysterio's reign was pointless, and they cut Swagger's reign short. Miz as champ will/would be great.

Also, Jay Lethal lost in 4 minutes on Impact. He just tapped Ric Flair, and then lost in 4 minutes. God damn it, TNA.

Lucha Libre USA? Awesome. That is all.

Raw:

'Twas a nice surprise to see them open with a main event type match. It was a really good bout, too, featuring probably my 3 favorite Raw wrestlers. Orton getting the win was no surprise, but I don't know why he needed to kill both guys with RKOs first.

I don't know what the point was with Eve vs. Maryse (the finish) unless they're looking to add Maryse to the title match, making it a triple threat. But hey, Maryse and Eve are hot!

Is Evan Bourne's push over? Sheamus pretty much kicked his ass. I was worried about Miz being the first man to lose his MITB title match, but the longer things went on, the more it became clear that someone would interfere. I guess R-truth's injury isn't as bad as they thought, which is good.

Why job Zack Ryder? He's not even a part of the feud; Regal is. And Ryder's tag partner is Primo (even though he sucks). Poor Ryder.

Needing a distraction made Wade Barrett look weak. That finish was almost horribly botched, but the match was okay for a Mark Henry match.

I always figured Cena would end up forming a group, and I knew it would happen after his promo earlier in the show. Edge, Morrison, and Jericho, I expected. I had predicted Orton and the Hart Dynasty originally (weeks ago) but they're obviously doing other things. Truth, I thought was injured till the show. Khali... well, he makes sense from a kayfabe standpoint. I never expected Bret Hart, so I marked out for that.

I had expected Evan Bourne to be on the team, but his big push may be slowing. I'd still bet on him wrestling and losing to The Miz at SummerSlam. I'm also excited that, after the ability to say "I saw Bret Hart's last match in person" was taken away from me when eh won the U.S. title, I can now say that again after SummerSlam, unless he wrestles after that.

NXT:

I just finished watching this, and it was another good show. The cold open with Matt Striker randomly running an obstacle course was funny, and it was good to hear his music again later on. The ensuing tag match was fun, and Husky Harris got a win over a pro. I just hope he's not eliminated next week.

Even though the results on WWE.com say otherwise, Lucky Cannon lost to Alex Riley. The match was not a squash, but it did last barely over a minute. And you know what? fuck Lucky Cannon. He's terribly annoying.

The challenges are always stupid time wasters, but this one was fast paced and not totally boring. I'm guessing it's probably not worked except for stuff like what Husky Harris did, but still, Michael McGillicutty does not need immunity. And it was funny that Kofi called McG's fans the "McGillibuddies", as Michael has been doing on Twitter since the show started.
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Good shows so far this week. I'm going to see the EWF on Friday (last show I went to, they ahd Oscar from MoM!), and the Pro Wrestling Guerrilla 7th Anniversary Show on my birthday, July 30th, in Reseda. Bryan Danielson and the Machine Guns will be there, amongst others. Then there's more EWF, followed by SummerSlam and 2 Raws at Staples. Lots of live wrestling coming up for me. Awesome. :)
 
I have to agree with an above poster in having no clue how Barrett got mark henry up over his shoulders. The Nexus guys are being booked to look like absolute crap. None of the guys are being shown as individuals besides Barrett, so when the time comes when they do go their own ways, they are all screwed(except barrett).
 
Well... there's nowhere for him to go but up as far as in ring skills go.

zrac, glad to see you've decided to post in the wrestling thread!
 
It is believed that TNA Wrestling’s May and June pay-per-view events, Sacrifice and Slammiversary, drew approximately 8,000 buys apiece. The gross sum per event would total to approximately $111,000 for the company, though that is before the expense of running a live pay-per-view event is factored in.By comparison, TNA drew in the neighborhood of 25,000 to 30,000 pay-per-view buys when iMPACT was airing at 11 p.m. on Saturday nights. And when WCW was on its death bed, the company was still garnering approximately 40,000 buys per pay-per-view.

To draw another comparison, illegal live streams of TNA Wrestling pay-per-view events are nowhere near as popular as that of World Wrestling Entertainment and UFC. According to a source in monitoring, there are usually thirty to fifty unique live streams for wrestling pay-per-view events with an average of 1,000 viewers per stream prior to its termination. For last week’s Victory Road pay-per-view, there were only five streams across the major live streaming sites — Justin.tv, Ustream.tv and freedocast.com. Victory Road garnered less than 1,500 viewers per stream. Meanwhile, live streams for WWE events are in the triple digits with most averaging 60,000 viewers, and UFC events tend to have live viewers in excess of 200,000.
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Well, shit. That's depressing. I don't know what else to say. I hate hearing that. I enjoy the company's shows (haven't seen many of their recent PPVs though) and want them to succeed.
 
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That would explain the motivation behind the whole "drop PPVs and do Clash Of The Champions every few months" rumor that popped a while ago.
 
Sadly, it's too late for TNA Wrestling.

I agree with Bryan Alvarez when he said they should let the company die, salvage some staff (i.e., not Vince Russo and company) and wrestlers (avoiding anyone who would invoke the thought of TNA, like Eric Young), and start and promote a new company lead by a whole new set of people (i.e., Paul Heyman, etc.).

The "TNA Wrestling" name is far too deflated to ever let it rise (see: the above quoted article estimating TNA PPV buys).

Who's up for a TNA death pool?

I predict they'll fold at around April 2011.
 
I'm not sure if the whole thing needs to die (though it will if they don't get their shit together), but I do think a rebranding could be useful. I don't think they'll ever be looked at anywhere near WWE's level if they continue to be Tits N Ass wrestling. They should try to work the NWA name back in or make some sort of minor change. Hell, put Federation in there somewhere for nostalgia.
 
[quote name='Ultimate Matt X']I'm not sure if the whole thing needs to die (though it will if they don't get their shit together), but I do think a rebranding could be useful. I don't think they'll ever be looked at anywhere near WWE's level if they continue to be Tits N Ass wrestling. They should try to work the NWA name back in or make some sort of minor change. Hell, put Federation in there somewhere for nostalgia.[/QUOTE]

YESYESATHOUSANDTIMESYES.

We, as a collective, have it hard as wrestling fans. One thing WWE has correct is their deathly fear of the term (and stigma associated with) "pro wrestling." It's kinda ridiculous, since they ARE a pro wrestling program, but their corporate mentality, where they jam all kinds of silly jargon down our throats (see also: "WWE Universe"), mandates it. They're a pro wrestling company, but their organization and management philosophy is *pure* corporatism.

But yeah, we've all been ashamed to admit we like pro wrestling, we're watching it, buying the games, talking about it, or anticipating a match or show or debut or whatever. Matter of fact, I was walking across campus and saw a grown man wearing a John Cena shirt (the one with the bulldog in a military helmet on the front). I felt bad for the kid. Honest to christ - and that's among college students (who aren't the snazziest dressers to begin with). And that's me, who should have some sympathy as a wrestling fan. To be fair, if it was something "cool" (e.g., some indie guy shirt, or some shit), then I'd still feel the same way.

But all that embarrassment takes a backseat to the brandname "TEE ENN AYY." I hang my head in shame when I say I'm watching TNA - not because of the product, the booking, or any of that shit. It's what those letters mean to people who don't have a clue about pro wrestling on tv to begin with.

"You're watching *what*???"
"Umm, sure, dude."
"The fuck is that?"
...ad nauseum.

I don't know if TNA should "die" necessarily. And I suspect that the NWA name is more trouble than it's worth at this point - they're still a coalition of indie promoters who all naively think that the resurgence of the once glorious National Wrestling Alliance is right around the corner. But TNA *really*, *desperately* needs a new name. For fucking real.
 
I was actually thinking about this recently. A few pages back, someone was saying about how everyone gives TNA crap for just about anything, while WWE gets free passes for the same things. And I was thinking, this is true... but why? And I think I know why, at least from my perspective. A lot of us here watched during the Attitude Era because... well... thats what you did during the late 90s. So for me, I remembered all those wrestlers I used to watch back in the day. Example: E&C were a couple of vampire-ish things who eventually became 2 dudes that reeked or awesomeness. Eventually, I took a several year wrestling hiatus but after some time, I started remembering about how I used to watch wrestling every monday, and about all the awesome wrestlers I used to love. So one day I started watching, mostly with the intent to see what all the old favorites were doing. Edge was this not-so-edgy Rated R Superstar and Christian was nowhere to be found (though I heard this guy named Cage was pretending to be him). But in watching, I got to learn about these new guys (Cena... who was a Marine at the time, so I missed G'd Up Cena, Orton, Batista... who I completely didn't recognise as the Deacon). So in a strange way, even though it's completely different, I'm still watching WWF.... I mean E.

Meanwhile, on the other hand you have the struggling TNA. None of us grew up with TNA. It doesn't hold a dear spot to us. So it's a lot easier to criticize it, because you expect it to be up to modern day standards. Especially with the amount of money being pumped into the company. Something else I think is keeping TNA from moving up is that it can't generate interest for shit. The criticism is going to always be there by the active viewership, but what WWE has been able to do is expand outside of that viewership. Every March(?) you have Wrestlemania. It's a big deal, whether you're into wrestling or not. Plus, they can whip out a storyline that generated buzz, whether it's the craziness of Vince dying in an exploding limo, or something more normal yet familiar like the formation of the N(exus)WO. It gets people talking. Nothin in TNA comes close to getting people talking. TNA may be worse than new ECW was at that. Yeah, Chavo versus Kane for the title! It's a big deal.... only in the realm of the show. TNA needs to get their people out there. They need people talking. You can expect to grow if you only cater to your current viewership. I mean, the biggest "TNA" guy in the company is either AJ or Joe. I'd be willing to say more people who don't watch wrestling know who R-Truth is compared to either of those guys.

I don't even know what I'm talking about anymore. I started rambling but I don't feel like deleting this...
 
In my opinion, there are a few things that MUST be done to salvage TNA.

1). Stop focusing on old stars! Having Scott Hall and Sean Waltman does nothing for the product. Them disappearing and reappearing juut hurts the product. TNA has a great roster to work with and they need to focus on homegrown talent. AJ Styles, Samoa Joe, MCMG, Eric Young, Amazing Red, Desmond Wolfe (I could rant forever about how they messed up with him), Jay Lethal, Beer Money, and a lot of others.

2). Get Hogan and Bischoff Out ASAP! As shown by there recent "vacations", they do not care about the company. They are in it for money and not the long term.. The longer they stay, the worse it will become.

3). Sign Bryan Danielson! The guy's last TV appearance was demolishing the competitions top star. TNA needs to sign Danielson and give him a mega push, like Joe had during his huge undefeated streak when he joined TNA. WCW let go of Austin, and look at how that turned out. Danielson, Joe, Styles, and Wolfe all have the potential to be mega stars, if and only if they are booked credibly and are given time to actually wrestle instead of being Flair's lackeys and staring at their valets instead of wrestling.

4). Bring back the X - Division! It sets TNA apart from WWE by giving the style a place to shine. Back in 2005-206, the X title was seen as a more competive and sought after title that the world championship!
 
"He is in denial. He thinks you have to be able to do a moonsault to know how to work. And, as far as dropping me on my head, he did. He never got to see all 4 camera angles of him doing it. I did. Plus, the left side of my neck down to my trap was sore all week in Mexico. I did tell Ken that he shouldn't be dropping me on my head with such a simple basic move. He never said sorry, and even called me a liar after the match. I remember looking at him in disbelief. And yes, I did tell management I did not want to work with him after that. Who wouldn't? That's my side. There is another thing...never did I get my neck taped as he claims it was in that interview. Also, the whole bearhug story does have some truth to it. Early in the day that morning in LA, he came up behind me and grabbed around my chest and picked me up off of the floor. I don't know anyone who enjoys being tackled from behind and picked up off the floor. When he let go and I realized it was Ken, I was like, `oh, ok, you're back, cool.' My reaction of his big return was watered down and I found it very funny reading in his interview that he left like I had an agenda, or almost like I wanted him gone. Not until I was given a belly to back suplex onto the back of my neck did I have any negative feelings with Mr. Anderson. I honestly hope for his wife's sake that he can find something else he's marginally good at, and earn a living. I know he really wants to entertain, so good luck Ken, you are gonna need it."
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I think it's the first time that Orton has addressed this, I expect an Anderson video response at some point.
 
TNA needs to just get off that bullshit. Period.

All this weird ass shit and all this cheesy Impact Zone bullshit...I can't fuck with it. Get out, spend some money, go to a small ass civic center or college campus and put on shows.

Quit using WWE past stars too. I'm tired of that shit.
 
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I think it's the first time that Orton has addressed this, I expect an Anderson video response at some point.
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whoa.....fire
 
Rumored for the TNA "One Last Stand" PPV are
Johnny Swinger, Steve Corino, Sandman, Bill Alfonso, and Jerry Lynn, who is expected to face RVD for the TNA championship.

I'm a little intrigued, but I'm skeptical at best that TNA can pull it off without some cheesy overbooking.
 
I think TNA's roster is a lot better than WWE's. I just wish they didn't keep screwing everything up. They have a lot of good talent in the company but the TV and PPV matches don't reflect that.
 
If TNA wasn't, at least initially, a tax write-off for a big corporation, they'd never be in existence right now.

The sheer fact that Paul Heyman *hasn't* shown up yet seems to be an indication that he either can't get the right backing, or literally just can't fix the problems, in TNA. I can't say I blame him... honestly, someone on here give me an ACTUAL rehabilition plan for TNA. Change the name, get rid of Hogan, Bischoff, Russo, etc., tour more... those are the big general things, but what exactly can be done to make TNA a viable wrestling company? What grabs the publics attention, especially with some of the negative associations people now have with the company? Identifying the problems is easy, but actually fixing the company? Good luck.

I'm just going to say it... this (not) ECW invasion is one of the more pathetic attempts to be relevant that I've ever seen. I've said it before, but the bottom line is... Hogan didn't draw, so you pin your hopes on Tommy Dreamer? The majority of this crew has been in TNA already, some for a few months, others for YEARS, and haven't drawn much... so why would they now? Do they think WWECW failed because of Vince's hubris exclusively? ECW IS NOT a viable business model in this age of wrestling. Add that to the fact that most of these guys weren't real great 'wrestlers', even a decade ago, and it just reveals itself as a pathetic stab at the nostalgia dollar. In regards to that Hard Justice spoiler:
Jerry Lynn vs. RVD? fuckING SERIOUSLY? Jerry Lynn means nothing to me, and I'd wager that I'm the target fucking audience for this... so how does this help them get MORE viewers? This may be one of the most bizarre booking decisions ever.
That spoiler brings me to my next point...

USE YOUR fuckING TALENT. Hall, Waltman, Nasties, this ECW crew... yet Awesome Kong was let go over money? They balked at Tara? They didn't throw gobs of money at Christopher Daniels? *This* is the number one problem in TNA, hands down. The seemingly systematic holding down of McGuiness is one of the worst things TNA ever did. They had fan voting, Wolfe easily won, gave him a throw-away match on TV, and then did everything in their power to make people not care about him. But who gets title shots? Sting! RVD! Abyss!... wait, what? These people have the best talent roster, in a pure wrestling sense, of the big two right now, and are ignoring that fact completely. The bottom line is this... if you're pushing Abyss as your top guy, you may just be retarded. That's not a joke. You'd literally need to have Down's Syndrome to pick THAT guy over the other talent on the roster.

That's when I knew Hogan was out of touch completely... 'Abyss can be TNA's John Cena.' It's almost tough to believe that statement came out of a person. Abyss is TNA's Kane, no more, no less. Utility guy, sure, but no one that needs to be sniffing around a belt.

This was another long rant, so I'll stop here, though I could keep going for a while longer. TNA would be less hateable if they didn't have all the pieces to make a great show, even with that awful name. The executives always mention how great TNA's house shows are, yet there's never an attempt to recreate that for TV. At every turn, they make decisions that do not help the company, and that's the problem. Unless a miracle happens, I give them 2 more years, tops, and that's only because someone seems to have no problem continuing to throw money at them.

Oh, and Jeff Hardy is fat.

It's true, it's true!
 
Truth: I hated the Nasty Boys in their "prime" in WCW and WWE in the early-1990s. I also hated seeing Knobb's fat-self in mid-1990s WCW in the terrible gimmick that was WCW's hardcore division. (Hak!)

(I loved WCW. But, man, was their attempt at ECW wrestling a bad idea.)

So, seeing the Nasty Boys in, ahem, two-thousand-fucking-ten was a bit aggravating. Now, if they had put over younger talent, I would have welcomed the idea. ButtheyweregivenaspotlightfeudwiththeDudleyBoyzforgodknowswhatreason.

Aherm. Pardon me.

But yes: I hate the Nasty Boys. I never liked their gimmick, in-ring work, or faces. Excelsior!
 
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