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[quote name='JJSP']TNA removed Sean Morley's and Roxxi's profiles from their roster page.[/QUOTE]

WTF? I thought Roxxi just came back? I know she was injured but she is a great TNA Knockout. Hogan and Bischoff strike again I suppose...
 
Why does everyone think RVD is gonna get misused in TNA? What exactly did WWE do to him for years? He jobbed to Triple H for years, until he got his one rub at the ECW PPV, and that was only to build hype for the ECW tv show.
 
Sean Morley's Facebook said:
"Yes, folks, I am through with TNA as I want to wrestle in Mexico," he wrote. "I was going to perform in both TNA and CMLL, but now the switch to Mondays for TNA, and the fact that TNA had nothing solid yet, Mexico here I come."
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Praise Jeebus!
 
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[quote name='neocisco']Good to see Suicide gone and Kazarian back.[/QUOTE]

You may not have seen the last of Suicide as there have been talks of putting Kiyoshi in the outfit.
 
WWE Royal Rumble 2010 Blu-Ray..... Best Buy exclusive.

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Drew McIntyre is just really fucking boring. The only two good things about him is his new theme and the fact that he uses a double-armed DDT as his finisher.
 
Opponents will still stumble around and walk right into it despite 20,000 people screaming it moments before Edge lightly hugs them into oblivion.
 
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[quote name='OnyxPrimal']You may not have seen the last of Suicide as there have been talks of putting Kiyoshi in the outfit.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I considered the possibility of TNA putting a third person in the costume but I'm hoping for the best. Kiyoshi and Davari seem to have been left hanging since World Elite was dissolved with absolutely no fanfare.
 
[quote name='TheRock88']Is that already out Demo Man?[/QUOTE]

Yes it is. It was released this Tuesday. Amazon.com shows May 4th for the non-Best Buy exclusive release which also shows to be a single disc release. So it might be worth picking up the Best Buy one for the exclusive second disc.
 
[quote name='pimpster4183']Why does everyone think RVD is gonna get misused in TNA? What exactly did WWE do to him for years? He jobbed to Triple H for years, until he got his one rub at the ECW PPV, and that was only to build hype for the ECW tv show.[/QUOTE]

'cause the only Fed he's really suited for is the old ECW. Seriously, he's not that exciting.

I don't think he'll be "misused" per se, he's just not that usable to begin with.

At least Tazz shouldn't be waxing poetic about his "educated feet."
 
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Yeah, I considered the possibility of TNA putting a third person in the costume but I'm hoping for the best. Kiyoshi and Davari seem to have been left hanging since World Elite was dissolved with absolutely no fanfare.[/QUOTE]

Davari left after the Feast or Fired match this year since he asked for his release prior to the match itself.
 
RVD's a weird cookie for me to figure out. I like him and I like his style, but I still think he's big time responsible for why most all wrestling matches are so boring and tough to watch anymore.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']RVD's a weird cookie for me to figure out. I like him and I like his style, but I still think he's big time responsible for why most all wrestling matches are so boring and tough to watch anymore.[/QUOTE]

You said that three times now. Ok, I'll take the bait. Why, myke, do you think that RVD ruined wrestling?
 
[quote name='Sporadic']You said that three times now. Ok, I'll take the bait. Why, myke, do you think that RVD ruined wrestling?[/QUOTE]


spot monkey?
 
More or less. It's not a big secret that his matches are plodding, thoughtless exercises in setting RVD up for his next spot. He never offers anything of substance (say, working on a body part), can't sell for shit (never could).

What separates RVD from everyone else is that his spots are good.

But as wrestlers have adapted to the style of wrestling ECW pushed - RVD's style - they couldn't hold a candle to his work. They don't have good spots, they don't have things the crowd wants to see. There's no flow, no emotional investment.

To be fair, I've heard people make the same criticism about Bret Hart (he always wrestled the same match, getting the same spots in at the same point), so perhaps it would have happened without him. But RVD is still the man who changed how matches progressed for everybody, and yet ain't many people can do what he does, making the whole thing fall flat on its face.
 
[quote name='Purple Flames']I really wish Edge wouldn't try to turn "SPEAR" into a chant.[/QUOTE]
Agreed. That shit is so lame. I hate when heels turn face. :(
 
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[quote name='mykevermin']More or less. It's not a big secret that his matches are plodding, thoughtless exercises in setting RVD up for his next spot. He never offers anything of substance (say, working on a body part), can't sell for shit (never could). [/QUOTE]

I disagree with the first part. His matches (at least in ECW) weren't that formulated. If anything, you could blame The Rock for RVD's routine (and every stupid five-knuckle shuffle/ballin'/boom style move) in WWE. He's the first wrestler I could remember that had an almost set in stone spot list. Always the open hand punches with spit, always the samoan drop, always the spinebuster into people's elbow, always rock bottom.

As for not working on a body part, that's not his style.

Can't sell for shit? He was the only wrestler I can think of that would sell his own moves.

Also

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfAfDozERMc

- edit Unrelated RVD story. When Shane McMahon took the Van Terminator from him, RVD decided to add another twist to it. Bring the chair with him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0uLrtD2Jzg

Impressive as hell since the WWE ring is longer than the old ECW ring.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']What separates RVD from everyone else is that his spots are good.

But as wrestlers have adapted to the style of wrestling ECW pushed - RVD's style - they couldn't hold a candle to his work. They don't have good spots, they don't have things the crowd wants to see. There's no flow, no emotional investment.

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I wish Paul London was reading this right now so he knew why he sucks.
 
There are a lot of dudes who wrestle like that, though. Punch, punch, punch, irish whip to setup for the next spot.

I don't think I'm being unreasonable; I'm not asking for, say, a 1-hour mat-wrestling WrestleMania main event between CM Punk and Brian Danielson. But some wrestling would be nice, from collar-and-elbow tieups, reversals, etc. They're virtually completely absent from today's wrestling. Hell, Randy Orton stands out in his matches because of fuckin' *headlocks* - who else uses them (and of those, who doe them half as well as Orton)?

Some moves are gone and should be gone - the atomic drop was always corny. But the reverse atomic drop is not. Suplexes are rare as well. It's punch-punch-spot.

There was a period (back when Velocity was on the air) where Chavo Guerrero was my favorite wrestler in all WWE. You'd see him wrestle Funaki, or some other jobber, or be out there to job to Bull Buchanan or some shit. But his wrestling made sense. He'd spent an entire (4-5 minute :() match working one body part. Opponent would run through the turnbuckles and hit his shoulder on the post, and Chavo would immediately spend the rest of the match doing moves that isolated the shoulder. I'd watch and think "holy crap this makes sense! go motherfucker go!"

I think that's why cruisers/x-div dudes are hard to watch in tv matches. The way they get crushed and, 15 seconds later, are flipping all over creation from the top rope is, to me, absurd (and don't get me started on tower of doom bullshit). It's not exciting and unbelievable.

Watch an episode of Raw, Smackdown, or Impact and you can count the suplexes, collar-and-elbow tie ups, and matches where the flow is logical/sensible and the selling appropriate. The structure of matches are set up to make fans ooh at spots like shiny things that exist independent of the rest of them. ROH is not innocent here either, but since they have the luxury of putting on longer matches, it's less of an issue.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']There are a lot of dudes who wrestle like that, though. Punch, punch, punch, irish whip to setup for the next spot.

I don't think I'm being unreasonable; I'm not asking for, say, a 1-hour mat-wrestling WrestleMania main event between CM Punk and Brian Danielson. But some wrestling would be nice, from collar-and-elbow tieups, reversals, etc. They're virtually completely absent from today's wrestling. Hell, Randy Orton stands out in his matches because of fuckin' *headlocks* - who else uses them (and of those, who doe them half as well as Orton)?

Some moves are gone and should be gone - the atomic drop was always corny. But the reverse atomic drop is not. Suplexes are rare as well. It's punch-punch-spot.

There was a period (back when Velocity was on the air) where Chavo Guerrero was my favorite wrestler in all WWE. You'd see him wrestle Funaki, or some other jobber, or be out there to job to Bull Buchanan or some shit. But his wrestling made sense. He'd spent an entire (4-5 minute :() match working one body part. Opponent would run through the turnbuckles and hit his shoulder on the post, and Chavo would immediately spend the rest of the match doing moves that isolated the shoulder. I'd watch and think "holy crap this makes sense! go motherfucker go!"

I think that's why cruisers/x-div dudes are hard to watch in tv matches. The way they get crushed and, 15 seconds later, are flipping all over creation from the top rope is, to me, absurd (and don't get me started on tower of doom bullshit). It's not exciting and unbelievable.

Watch an episode of Raw, Smackdown, or Impact and you can count the suplexes, collar-and-elbow tie ups, and matches where the flow is logical/sensible and the selling appropriate. The structure of matches are set up to make fans ooh at spots like shiny things that exist independent of the rest of them. ROH is not innocent here either, but since they have the luxury of putting on longer matches, it's less of an issue.[/QUOTE]

So, why did you hate Burchill again? When he was with Regal before the pirate gimmick, he basically spent the entire match working on the arm.

The problem with really technical wrestling is that it is boring 99% of the time. Seeing Orton do a 2 minute headlock on TV is lame especially when they only have 10-15 minutes to work. And while it's nice to see something like Angle/HBK every once in a while, I don't want to see other wrestlers attempt it.

I agree with cruiserweights rushing to spots and no-selling everything but that isn't RVD's fault. That is the fault of them being crunched for time and forced to do every flippy move in existence to get over.

If anything, you should applaud RVD for actually selling those high impact moves. He took a stupid frog splash (sorry Eddie) and really made it something.
 
[quote name='Sporadic']If anything, you should applaud RVD for actually selling those high impact moves. He took a stupid frog splash (sorry Eddie) and really made it something.[/QUOTE]

I'm gonna have to agree here. No disrespect to Eddie whatsoever, but I always thought that RVD's Frog Splash had more impact, and you're hard pressed to find another other wrestler who sold their own move the way he did.
 
he sold his own move well. that doesn't make him a good seller overall.

did I say I hated Birchall? I don't recall this. Help refresh my memory.

y'all can have the opinions you want - but if you think technical wrestling is boring, y'all should be in hog heaven with the match quality on television right now. like it's the best ever.
 
I started watching Summerslam 2002 earlier tonight. Pretty smoking show thus far although I think I've been able to remember/predict all the winners thus far. Up next is RVD vs. Benoit for the IC Title. Edge vs. Eddie Guerrero has been the highlight thus far and was stunningly relevant to the whole discussion about wrestlers working on body parts. I'm looking forward to the Shawn Michaels vs. Triple H unsanctioned fight. I haven't seen that for years and from what I remember, it was awesome.
 
[quote name='Halo05']I started watching Summerslam 2002 earlier tonight. Pretty smoking show thus far although I think I've been able to remember/predict all the winners thus far. Up next is RVD vs. Benoit for the IC Title. Edge vs. Eddie Guerrero has been the highlight thus far and was stunningly relevant to the whole discussion about wrestlers working on body parts. I'm looking forward to the Shawn Michaels vs. Triple H unsanctioned fight. I haven't seen that for years and from what I remember, it was awesome.[/QUOTE]

That was a really good PPV. I remember I had to go to my friend's house to watch it. He hated wrestling, but he let me watch the whole thing anyway.
 
FYI, the free ESPN On Demand area has some AWA stuff on it - including one of Hennig's last AWA matches. The VQ is basically perfect, and it isn't marred by network bugs on it like 24/7 - although a show/time graphic does pop up from time to time. It's a shame there isn't more available - hopefully they expand the selection soon.
 
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I know I'm late, but:

"Sean Morley and Roxxi are the latest wrestlers to part ways with TNA Wrestling, reports PWInsider.com."

Rejoice! Adios, Morley.
 
[quote name='JaytheGamefan']FYI, the free ESPN On Demand area has some AWA stuff on it - including one of Hennig's last AWA matches. The VQ is basically perfect, and it isn't marred by network bugs on it like 24/7 - although a show/time graphic does pop up from time to time. It's a shame there isn't more available - hopefully they expand the selection soon.[/QUOTE]
Man....it looks like NOBODY was there for that heavyweight fight between Lawler and Henning
 
The Observer is reporting that there are at least three people who will make surprise debuts tomorrow on Impact.

Do Rob Van Dam, Jeff Hardy, and Shannon Moore really count as surprises when Hogan leaked one of them and the other two debuted two months ago?
 
Since next year’s WWE Hall of Fame and WrestleMania will be the 10-year anniversary of the company putting WCW out of business and will take place from WCW’s former home of Atlanta, early talk within WWE is that they will be going with a WCW theme for the Hall of Fame. Because of the trouble WWE has had with finalizing the Hall of Fame this year, they are already talking about plans for next year’s Hall.

Sting’s name has came up to go with the WCW theme but obviously his status with TNA will play a factor. Other names that have been discussed include Lex Luger, Ron Simmons, The Road Warriors and the Steiner Brothers.
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I can get behind this.
 
http://www.wwe.com/shows/wrestlemania/matches/13586684/preview/

Anybody see potential MITB winners outside of Christian?

A lot of these are dudes who get pushed/pulled by WWE so much that it's really hard to see any of them getting moved into the main event scene outside of Christian. I'd love to see a Rock/Brock (see also: Bret/HBK WMXIII) buildup for Edge v Christian at Summerslam. Some wonderful face v face, I'm going to train my ass off Rocky-montage kinda stuff. But I don't see anyone else who could fit in the title scene there.

The WM card looks really solid this year, but I'll be damned if I drop $55 or whatever to buy it.
 
I'm thinking Drew Mcintyre gets the last slot or somehow finds a way in and he gets the briefcase. If that doesn't go down Christian seems like the only other guy.
 
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