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[quote name='Mr. Beef']Can't believe that Bryan/Punk match ended the way it did.
I also can't believe that Cole was not only toned down during the match, but him and King WERE ACTUALLY CALLING IT AND PUTTING BOTH GUYS OVER.[/QUOTE]
If Cole had shat on Bryan and called him a nerd the entire match, it would have hurt Bryan's heelish thunder.
I also can't believe that Cole was not only toned down during the match, but him and King WERE ACTUALLY CALLING IT AND PUTTING BOTH GUYS OVER.[/QUOTE]
If Cole had shat on Bryan and called him a nerd the entire match, it would have hurt Bryan's heelish thunder.
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[quote name='Purple Flames']I do like WWE's actually showed some consistency tonight with Triple H not letting personal issues cloud his judgment. Now I wonder if Taker will keep goading him into a match until Trips finally breaks.[/QUOTE]
Personally I would much rather see Taker take on anyone but Triple H at Mania. The problem is who exactly can the WWE put against Taker that isn't already in some kind of storyline already. Let alone who could the WWE put in that would be WORTHY of going against Taker and be seen as a legitimate threat to Taker's streak?
A quick run down on who could face Taker:
Randy Orton - Yeah I know they already faced off once at Mania. But given that Taker has faced both Triple H and Kane twice at Mania I could see this happening. Of course that means putting a quick end to the feud with Wade Barrett (or at least stalling it off for the time being) then start the build up for Taker/Orton II. On the other hand...
Wade Barrett - What better way to really cement Wade Barrett as part of the main event scene in the WWE then to have him try to end Taker's streak. I could see Barrett being the one ending the streak as well since he's becoming an established name on the Smackdown side. This would help him out greatly.
Christian - This could be an okay match up but to be honest it's also not one that I first think of when it comes to potential Taker opponents.
Cody Rhodes - Maybe in a year or two if Taker is still around and somehow his undefeated streak is still going this could be a great match up. As of now however I still don't feel Cody is at that level to be seen as a real legitimate threat to the streak. I could be wrong on this. In fact I'd love to be wrong as Cody really has developed in the past year and even turned what could have been Wrestlecrap into some pretty good stuff (ie: the whole paper bags thing, the goofy face mask).
The Miz - This to me would be the best pick to face Taker this year. The Miz would do his usual cocky heel promos saying he'll beat Taker and that be beat Cena at Mania last year in the main event. It certainly would fit in very well on the Mania card as one of the top matches. Well okay... I do got one other person I'm thinking of that would be better....
Brock Lesnar - Okay to be honest Taker vs Lesnar would be huge buyrates for any WWE PPV within the next six months. If the WWE was really smart they would try to do what is needed to get Lesnar for Mania. The press the WWE would get for the match would be insanely huge given Lesnar would be only a few months past his last UFC match. Not to mention the legitimate real life heat between them would alone make a great story going into the match.
Love to hear any other thoughts on this.
Personally I would much rather see Taker take on anyone but Triple H at Mania. The problem is who exactly can the WWE put against Taker that isn't already in some kind of storyline already. Let alone who could the WWE put in that would be WORTHY of going against Taker and be seen as a legitimate threat to Taker's streak?
A quick run down on who could face Taker:
Randy Orton - Yeah I know they already faced off once at Mania. But given that Taker has faced both Triple H and Kane twice at Mania I could see this happening. Of course that means putting a quick end to the feud with Wade Barrett (or at least stalling it off for the time being) then start the build up for Taker/Orton II. On the other hand...
Wade Barrett - What better way to really cement Wade Barrett as part of the main event scene in the WWE then to have him try to end Taker's streak. I could see Barrett being the one ending the streak as well since he's becoming an established name on the Smackdown side. This would help him out greatly.
Christian - This could be an okay match up but to be honest it's also not one that I first think of when it comes to potential Taker opponents.
Cody Rhodes - Maybe in a year or two if Taker is still around and somehow his undefeated streak is still going this could be a great match up. As of now however I still don't feel Cody is at that level to be seen as a real legitimate threat to the streak. I could be wrong on this. In fact I'd love to be wrong as Cody really has developed in the past year and even turned what could have been Wrestlecrap into some pretty good stuff (ie: the whole paper bags thing, the goofy face mask).
The Miz - This to me would be the best pick to face Taker this year. The Miz would do his usual cocky heel promos saying he'll beat Taker and that be beat Cena at Mania last year in the main event. It certainly would fit in very well on the Mania card as one of the top matches. Well okay... I do got one other person I'm thinking of that would be better....
Brock Lesnar - Okay to be honest Taker vs Lesnar would be huge buyrates for any WWE PPV within the next six months. If the WWE was really smart they would try to do what is needed to get Lesnar for Mania. The press the WWE would get for the match would be insanely huge given Lesnar would be only a few months past his last UFC match. Not to mention the legitimate real life heat between them would alone make a great story going into the match.
Love to hear any other thoughts on this.
[quote name='Brak']If Cole had shat on Bryan and called him a nerd the entire match, it would have hurt Bryan's heelish thunder.[/QUOTE]
He's been doing exactly that ever since D. Brine hinted at turning heel. I'm not complaining, but it was still quite the change of pace. I'll be truly shocked if Cole actually keeps it up.
He's been doing exactly that ever since D. Brine hinted at turning heel. I'm not complaining, but it was still quite the change of pace. I'll be truly shocked if Cole actually keeps it up.
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I suspect WWE finally understood that they're going with a heel Bryan (hard to call it a 'turn' as his character isn't changing too drastically). Once they decided that, they finally recognized that having the biggest heel aside from Vickie Guerrero (sigh, sad state of affairs, no?) shitting on Bryan would harm his heel turn, they put the halt on Cole.
Since Cole was still dumping on Bryan during the Royal Rumble, it's clear the message was conveyed between late Sunday night and sometime before 9PM last night.
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Girl, you ain't Spanish. That's Hawaiian Silky!
Since Cole was still dumping on Bryan during the Royal Rumble, it's clear the message was conveyed between late Sunday night and sometime before 9PM last night.
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Girl, you ain't Spanish. That's Hawaiian Silky!
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[quote name='mykevermin']I suspect WWE finally understood that they're going with a heel Bryan (hard to call it a 'turn' as his character isn't changing too drastically). Once they decided that, they finally recognized that having the biggest heel aside from Vickie Guerrero (sigh, sad state of affairs, no?) shitting on Bryan would harm his heel turn, they put the halt on Cole.
Since Cole was still dumping on Bryan during the Royal Rumble, it's clear the message was conveyed between late Sunday night and sometime before 9PM last night.
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Spot-on. I was hoping someone would mention that, because I was actually taken aback at just how much Cole was shitting on him during that Rumble match. I'm glad someone in WWE managed to, you know, realize how counterproductive and balls-out stupid that was.
Since Cole was still dumping on Bryan during the Royal Rumble, it's clear the message was conveyed between late Sunday night and sometime before 9PM last night.
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Spot-on. I was hoping someone would mention that, because I was actually taken aback at just how much Cole was shitting on him during that Rumble match. I'm glad someone in WWE managed to, you know, realize how counterproductive and balls-out stupid that was.
[quote name='Demolition Man']Personally I would much rather see Taker take on anyone but Triple H at Mania. The problem is who exactly can the WWE put against Taker that isn't already in some kind of storyline already. Let alone who could the WWE put in that would be WORTHY of going against Taker and be seen as a legitimate threat to Taker's streak?
A quick run down on who could face Taker:
Love to hear any other thoughts on this.[/QUOTE]
Those would all be potentially interesting matches if it wasn't an absolute certainty this is 'Taker's last match. He's done, this is the sendoff and capping an amazing career like 'Taker's with a match with Miz, Cody Rhodes, etc. would be a slap in the face to 'Taker.
You're gonna send him, off you need a veteran, someone that's been around for a long time and that's respected not only in the business but by 'Taker as well. Unfortunately, that narrows it down considerably in the WWE considering the average tenure of most of their guys is somewhere around mid-2000s.
Sad to say, unless they go with Kane, there really isn't anyone else for 'Taker to face in his last match. The thing with Kane though is that all of 'Taker and Kane's most classic matches have been gimmicks. I gotta figure if you're sending off 'Taker at Wrestlemania, its gotta be a classic match, no stipulations.
Essentially, HHH is the only possible choice that puts on the type of match both WWE and 'Taker want him to end on. At the very least, we have that slim possibility that HHH will be the one to stop him from going completely undefeated (but let's be honest, that ain't gonna happen) because any other guys would be an absolute guarantee that there's no way 'Taker's gonna lay down for them at Wrestlemania.
A quick run down on who could face Taker:
Love to hear any other thoughts on this.[/QUOTE]
Those would all be potentially interesting matches if it wasn't an absolute certainty this is 'Taker's last match. He's done, this is the sendoff and capping an amazing career like 'Taker's with a match with Miz, Cody Rhodes, etc. would be a slap in the face to 'Taker.
You're gonna send him, off you need a veteran, someone that's been around for a long time and that's respected not only in the business but by 'Taker as well. Unfortunately, that narrows it down considerably in the WWE considering the average tenure of most of their guys is somewhere around mid-2000s.
Sad to say, unless they go with Kane, there really isn't anyone else for 'Taker to face in his last match. The thing with Kane though is that all of 'Taker and Kane's most classic matches have been gimmicks. I gotta figure if you're sending off 'Taker at Wrestlemania, its gotta be a classic match, no stipulations.
Essentially, HHH is the only possible choice that puts on the type of match both WWE and 'Taker want him to end on. At the very least, we have that slim possibility that HHH will be the one to stop him from going completely undefeated (but let's be honest, that ain't gonna happen) because any other guys would be an absolute guarantee that there's no way 'Taker's gonna lay down for them at Wrestlemania.
Mark Henry should face Undertaker at Wrestlemania just so we could have 2 months of "somebody gon' get their wig split" jokes.
...actually, until very recently Henry would have been a credible opponent for him. Between injuries and his push being cooled off a little that doesn't seem like a good option now.
...actually, until very recently Henry would have been a credible opponent for him. Between injuries and his push being cooled off a little that doesn't seem like a good option now.
what are the chances that Alberto del Rio returns, gets a monster push, and has the Taker match? Even if he's fairly new to WWE, the guy has some experience under his belt. Or since the popular opinion is that Bryan loses the belt before WM, why not him? He loses the belt, talks bout how it was a fluke and how he can beat anyone in the world.... Then the bell tolls.
If somebody could talk Stone Cold into just one more match it would be an appropriate opponent for 'Taker as well. I just can't even imagine that Wrestlemania...
[quote name='Chronis']what are the chances that Alberto del Rio returns, gets a monster push, and has the Taker match? Even if he's fairly new to WWE, the guy has some experience under his belt. Or since the popular opinion is that Bryan loses the belt before WM, why not him? He loses the belt, talks bout how it was a fluke and how he can beat anyone in the world.... Then the bell tolls.[/QUOTE]
I dunno, the thing about 'Taker's last match is that it doesn't, and shouldn't, need any additional gimmick or played out storyline. Just a straight up match, with no stipulations, no forced angle, low on new storyline, high on history.
[quote name='Chronis']what are the chances that Alberto del Rio returns, gets a monster push, and has the Taker match? Even if he's fairly new to WWE, the guy has some experience under his belt. Or since the popular opinion is that Bryan loses the belt before WM, why not him? He loses the belt, talks bout how it was a fluke and how he can beat anyone in the world.... Then the bell tolls.[/QUOTE]
I dunno, the thing about 'Taker's last match is that it doesn't, and shouldn't, need any additional gimmick or played out storyline. Just a straight up match, with no stipulations, no forced angle, low on new storyline, high on history.
[quote name='Chronis']what are the chances that Alberto del Rio returns, gets a monster push, and has the Taker match? Even if he's fairly new to WWE, the guy has some experience under his belt. Or since the popular opinion is that Bryan loses the belt before WM, why not him? He loses the belt, talks bout how it was a fluke and how he can beat anyone in the world.... Then the bell tolls.[/QUOTE]
I dunno, the thing about 'Taker's last match is that it doesn't, and shouldn't, need any additional gimmick or played out storyline. Just a straight up match, with no stipulations, no forced angle, low on new storyline, high on history.
I dunno, the thing about 'Taker's last match is that it doesn't, and shouldn't, need any additional gimmick or played out storyline. Just a straight up match, with no stipulations, no forced angle, low on new storyline, high on history.
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Sad, then, that WWE is gimmicking it up with HBK refereeing and HHH's career on the line.
Particularly when, if you ask anyone with half a sense of anything, there's no
ing way this is HHH's last match.
Particularly when, if you ask anyone with half a sense of anything, there's no
ing way this is HHH's last match.[quote name='mykevermin']Sad, then, that WWE is gimmicking it up with HBK refereeing and HHH's career on the line.
Particularly when, if you ask anyone with half a sense of anything, there's noing way this is HHH's last match.[/QUOTE]
I dunno man, he seems to really enjoy wearing that suit.
Particularly when, if you ask anyone with half a sense of anything, there's no
ing way this is HHH's last match.[/QUOTE]I dunno man, he seems to really enjoy wearing that suit.
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I hate all of this HHH/Taker stuff. HHH, even though he lost, still managed to put himself over last year. It appears that this year will be no different with the build being that he can talk about him being the guy who took Taker to the limit. It's awful. We get it, Hunter, you're the greatest. Go the away.
The proposed HBK involvement irks me even more. So, let's see... there are three options here: One, HBK is the ref and calls it right down the middle, which is pointless. Two, HBK tries to screw Taker for his best friend. Three, HBK screws HHH because he doesn't want the streak broken.
Looking at those options, number one seems the most likely. My issue is that we'll still get two months of teasing bullshit build leaning towards the other two. Here's the thing... the WWE audience doesn't want to see a fluky finish to a Taker WM match. No one wants to see the streak end OR continue because of a special ref. So, to me, the idea of even teasing it ising stupid.
Now, the biggest question here is how much longer Taker plans on going. He's already at the 'work one match a year' stage of his career and this will be 20-0. By all logic, this should be his final match. 20 is a nice even number, and we're (no offense to all that suggested people like Del Rio or Sheamus) waying past the point where anyone but HHH, Cena, and *maybe* Jericho can go after Taker at WM. It's too big of an event to use on a lower card guy, least of all because HHH BURIED THE ENTIRE ROSTER AND TOLD EVERYONE THAT HE'S THE ONLY GUY WHO CAN BEAT TAKER. Ahem.
Where I run into problems, though, is this WM contains Rock/Cena. Ideally, Taker's final match should be the last match on the card at WM. This year, noing way that happens. So, since they've basically deactivated Taker anyway, I'm curious to see if they push it one more year just to give him a 'proper' send off. Plus, the idea of Taker's final match is going to take away from the excitement of ANY other match, Rock/Cena included. It won't be WMX8 again, but people will be exhausted after a Taker send-off in the middle of a WM.
away.The proposed HBK involvement irks me even more. So, let's see... there are three options here: One, HBK is the ref and calls it right down the middle, which is pointless. Two, HBK tries to screw Taker for his best friend. Three, HBK screws HHH because he doesn't want the streak broken.
Looking at those options, number one seems the most likely. My issue is that we'll still get two months of teasing bullshit build leaning towards the other two. Here's the thing... the WWE audience doesn't want to see a fluky finish to a Taker WM match. No one wants to see the streak end OR continue because of a special ref. So, to me, the idea of even teasing it is
ing stupid. Now, the biggest question here is how much longer Taker plans on going. He's already at the 'work one match a year' stage of his career and this will be 20-0. By all logic, this should be his final match. 20 is a nice even number, and we're (no offense to all that suggested people like Del Rio or Sheamus) way
ing past the point where anyone but HHH, Cena, and *maybe* Jericho can go after Taker at WM. It's too big of an event to use on a lower card guy, least of all because HHH BURIED THE ENTIRE ROSTER AND TOLD EVERYONE THAT HE'S THE ONLY GUY WHO CAN BEAT TAKER. Ahem. Where I run into problems, though, is this WM contains Rock/Cena. Ideally, Taker's final match should be the last match on the card at WM. This year, no
ing way that happens. So, since they've basically deactivated Taker anyway, I'm curious to see if they push it one more year just to give him a 'proper' send off. Plus, the idea of Taker's final match is going to take away from the excitement of ANY other match, Rock/Cena included. It won't be WMX8 again, but people will be exhausted after a Taker send-off in the middle of a WM.[quote name='007']Two, HBK tries to screw Taker for his best friend. Three, HBK screws HHH because he doesn't want the streak broken.[/QUOTE]
For me that's the only reason there would be any interest. It would become a question of does Shawn want to help his best friend and get revenge on the guy who retired him, or does Shawn want to stop anyone, even his best friend, from doing the one thing he couldn't do? Still don't really want to see it but they've gotta throw something in there if they're hard set on having the match...last year's was already no DQ so they can't just rehash that again.
I don't know if I really believe this is it for 'Taker either. There is one incredibly huge glaring omission from possible Wrestlemania matches, and that guy is kinda tied up with a movie star this year. It just seems really hard to believe he'd leave without a match between them at Wrestlemania. And actually, a Cena that beats Undertaker by turning heel during the match would be a) the only way I'd be ok with 'Taker losing at WM and b) A Hogan-at-BATB-level heel turn. When Cena really does turn it needs to be a monumental event, and I'm not sure doing it against the Rock would be it, since he's going to be getting booed in the first place, and it's not like beating Rock really matters long term.
Having a random "up and comer" like Wade or Sheamus or whoever would be a waste because by the time the May PPV is over, the fact that the person ended the streak would be a non-factor. With Cena you have a guy who is an established top guy who is loyal to the company, but also has many years left (unlike HHH, who is close to done himself and unlike Punk who could easily just say it and leave whenever his next contract is up). Heel Cena would carry the ended-the-streak thing around with him for a long time.
But after all that - I'm still not saying I want Undertaker to EVER lose at Wrestlemania. He should retire undefeated. But that's the one scenario I'd probably be ok with.
For me that's the only reason there would be any interest. It would become a question of does Shawn want to help his best friend and get revenge on the guy who retired him, or does Shawn want to stop anyone, even his best friend, from doing the one thing he couldn't do? Still don't really want to see it but they've gotta throw something in there if they're hard set on having the match...last year's was already no DQ so they can't just rehash that again.
I don't know if I really believe this is it for 'Taker either. There is one incredibly huge glaring omission from possible Wrestlemania matches, and that guy is kinda tied up with a movie star this year. It just seems really hard to believe he'd leave without a match between them at Wrestlemania. And actually, a Cena that beats Undertaker by turning heel during the match would be a) the only way I'd be ok with 'Taker losing at WM and b) A Hogan-at-BATB-level heel turn. When Cena really does turn it needs to be a monumental event, and I'm not sure doing it against the Rock would be it, since he's going to be getting booed in the first place, and it's not like beating Rock really matters long term.
Having a random "up and comer" like Wade or Sheamus or whoever would be a waste because by the time the May PPV is over, the fact that the person ended the streak would be a non-factor. With Cena you have a guy who is an established top guy who is loyal to the company, but also has many years left (unlike HHH, who is close to done himself and unlike Punk who could easily just say
it and leave whenever his next contract is up). Heel Cena would carry the ended-the-streak thing around with him for a long time.But after all that - I'm still not saying I want Undertaker to EVER lose at Wrestlemania. He should retire undefeated. But that's the one scenario I'd probably be ok with.
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There is one storyline that could justify Sheamus going after the streak. During the build-up to their match at Wrestlemania 26, Triple H told Sheamus about when he tried to make a name for himself at Wrestlemania by going after one of the biggest stars at the time (Warrior), but ended up getting defeated. Sheamus did this with Triple H and also had the same outcome. Triple H couldn't defeat The Undertaker at Wrestlemania 27, so Sheamus could potentially go after the streak with the mindset that by beating The Undertaker at Wrestlemania, he will surpass Triple H.
Not saying that will or should happen, but that would be a way to do Sheamus vs. Undertaker.
Not saying that will or should happen, but that would be a way to do Sheamus vs. Undertaker.
I want 'Taker to finish at 20-0. If we're going HHH-Taker III (or II since we're pretending the first match didn't happen), it's gotta be something worth it; HHH keeps running his mouth how he ended the streak by walking out on his own feet, 'Taker's going to shut him up and make him earn it in the ring with a 3 count. It's HBK-UT reversed with 'Taker making damn sure that HHH knows he never beat UT and goading him into a match. Let them beat the out of each other again, put HHH's career on the line as well, make it a grudge match if HHH is so sure he can beat the Deadman. 'Taker says that he's retiring at 20-0 regardless, so this is HHH's last chance to prove he can really do it.
Both guys get their big huge entrance, HHH on the back of a unicorn or something to feed his ego and UT with the druids, smoke, lightning, and a returning Paul Bearer. I book it with UT winning the match on a Tombstone, but he's damn near exhausted at the end of the match. UT rolls HHH into the casket to end HHH's career and we get a big classic UT druid carryout as UT pushes the box up the aisle, flanked by druids and purple lights as 'Taker walks off into the proverbial sunset as the grizzled Deadman at 20-0.
Both guys are at the end of the road; 'Taker's consistently hurt, and HHH is groomed to take over the company and isn't needed as an in-ring competitor anymore. A loss doesn't hurt him by any means, and we finally get the chance for young talent to advance with two huge main event spots now vacant. If HHH walks away, puts 'Taker over at WM to end at 20-0 and honestly promotes the wealth of young stars he's got in FCW, I'll forgive him for every bit of political crap he's pulled in the past.
out of each other again, put HHH's career on the line as well, make it a grudge match if HHH is so sure he can beat the Deadman. 'Taker says that he's retiring at 20-0 regardless, so this is HHH's last chance to prove he can really do it.Both guys get their big huge entrance, HHH on the back of a unicorn or something to feed his ego and UT with the druids, smoke, lightning, and a returning Paul Bearer. I book it with UT winning the match on a Tombstone, but he's damn near exhausted at the end of the match. UT rolls HHH into the casket to end HHH's career and we get a big classic UT druid carryout as UT pushes the box up the aisle, flanked by druids and purple lights as 'Taker walks off into the proverbial sunset as the grizzled Deadman at 20-0.
Both guys are at the end of the road; 'Taker's consistently hurt, and HHH is groomed to take over the company and isn't needed as an in-ring competitor anymore. A loss doesn't hurt him by any means, and we finally get the chance for young talent to advance with two huge main event spots now vacant. If HHH walks away, puts 'Taker over at WM to end at 20-0 and honestly promotes the wealth of young stars he's got in FCW, I'll forgive him for every bit of political crap he's pulled in the past.
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A retirement stipulation is the last ing thing they should do for HHH. Especially in light of the fact that not only has HBK already done it, but is also the only ing guy in wrestling to actually adhere to it. That's not the main argument, though...
The bottom line with HHH and retiring is that HHH will still wrestle. If he's being groomed as 'Mr. McMahon 2.0', he'll eventually be dragged into something where he gets back in the ring. He knows it, the fans know it, so giving him any kind of send-off is ridiculous. Plus, you can't even really say it's him retiring from full-time in-ring competition, since he's basically already there.
What this needs is zero gimmicks. Taker says he wants 20-0, HHH wants another shot because he beat Taker until he was carried out. No HBK. No retirement stipulations. That's just me, though.
Then again, if I were booking WWE, I would have considered tossing The Rock at Taker for his send-off match. I understand the novelty of Cena/Rock and the generation gap, but Taker/Rock still gives it the same 'I want to come back and prove I can still go', but with the added wrinkle of him accomplishing something he (or anyone else) has never done. Plus, it would have given people pause to consider who would win the match... much more so than with HHH, anyway.
ing thing they should do for HHH. Especially in light of the fact that not only has HBK already done it, but is also the only ing guy in wrestling to actually adhere to it. That's not the main argument, though...The bottom line with HHH and retiring is that HHH will still wrestle. If he's being groomed as 'Mr. McMahon 2.0', he'll eventually be dragged into something where he gets back in the ring. He knows it, the fans know it, so giving him any kind of send-off is ridiculous. Plus, you can't even really say it's him retiring from full-time in-ring competition, since he's basically already there.
What this needs is zero gimmicks. Taker says he wants 20-0, HHH wants another shot because he beat Taker until he was carried out. No HBK. No retirement stipulations. That's just me, though.
Then again, if I were booking WWE, I would have considered tossing The Rock at Taker for his send-off match. I understand the novelty of Cena/Rock and the generation gap, but Taker/Rock still gives it the same 'I want to come back and prove I can still go', but with the added wrinkle of him accomplishing something he (or anyone else) has never done. Plus, it would have given people pause to consider who would win the match... much more so than with HHH, anyway.
I want to make it clear my advocating for HHH/Taker in no way reflects that's my desire for what to see at Wrestlemania. I would be absolutely thrilled to see 'Taker face someone else at Wrestlemania buuuut there's no one left for him to face. I mean maybe if they build Taker/Kane up they could do it but it seems like foreeeever since those 2 have interacted so it would feel out of place. I just don't have any desire to see HHH/Taker pt. 3 but I also want to see someone with a proper amount of history if this gonna be 'Taker's sendoff.
Yes, even though Rock and 'Taker didn't have much history or angles with each other in the past, that could also provide an appropriate send off in a "who's still got it" kind of way. Sadly that's not gonna happen though because they've already committed Taker to Cena.
I really, really, really, would have liked to see one last Stone Cold v. Undertaker match. I know it's not gonna happen but god damn it do I want to see it.
Sadly, there's just no other options other than HHH. I'd love for WWE to surprise us and somehow find someone else to top it but I just don't see it happening.
Yes, even though Rock and 'Taker didn't have much history or angles with each other in the past, that could also provide an appropriate send off in a "who's still got it" kind of way. Sadly that's not gonna happen though because they've already committed Taker to Cena.
I really, really, really, would have liked to see one last Stone Cold v. Undertaker match. I know it's not gonna happen but god damn it do I want to see it.
Sadly, there's just no other options other than HHH. I'd love for WWE to surprise us and somehow find someone else to top it but I just don't see it happening.
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I really like that whole "Taker challenging people for Wrestlemania" idea. People keep turning him down and then finally one person stands up for the challenge.
If it's not HHH or Lesnar I'd feel they'd go with Foley. If memory serves there's not one guy in WWE with more victories over taker. They could run with that, I suppose.
If it's not HHH or Lesnar I'd feel they'd go with Foley. If memory serves there's not one guy in WWE with more victories over taker. They could run with that, I suppose.
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If UT's having problems, Foley clearly was limited on Sunday. He's having a difficult time maneuvering around the ring.
I'd love to see Undertaker/Mankind one last time. But I can watch the boiler room brawl anytime I want, and it simply is not the late 90's anymore - as much as most of us wish it were. I don't see it as coming close to what people would expect out of those two together.
Some of you have suggested an "Undertaker can't find anyone willing to challenge him" angle. I think that's quite clever and would love to see it move in that direction. Sadly, it won't.
I'd love to see Undertaker/Mankind one last time. But I can watch the boiler room brawl anytime I want, and it simply is not the late 90's anymore - as much as most of us wish it were. I don't see it as coming close to what people would expect out of those two together.
Some of you have suggested an "Undertaker can't find anyone willing to challenge him" angle. I think that's quite clever and would love to see it move in that direction. Sadly, it won't.
Yeah it has already been mentioned but Cole's inability to properly portray a heel is borderline insulting to the Heenans and Venturas of the world.
You cheer for the bad guy, you shit on the good guy. That'sing it dude. Watch some Gorilla Monsoon/Bobby Heenan matches you piece of shit.
You cheer for the bad guy, you shit on the good guy. That's
ing it dude. Watch some Gorilla Monsoon/Bobby Heenan matches you piece of shit.
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I would absolutely love to see Taker and Foley go at it at WM. This two have one of the most storied rivalries in the business and it'd be an excellent bookend to two careers if they went at it one last time this year.
Whoever it was that mentioned Lesnar and Taker at WM because it had legit heat - that's a terrible idea. These guys don't have "bad" history, they have "if I catch you alone, I'm going to stab you in the dick with a broken beer bottle" type of history. They wouldn't work together. They've both got too much ego to not to start throwing real punches.
[quote name='Purple Flames']I would absolutely love to see Taker and Foley go at it at WM. This two have one of the most storied rivalries in the business and it'd be an excellent bookend to two careers if they went at it one last time this year.[/QUOTE]
Definitely this.
04:45-5:30 on the clip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sHHt-uUcJk
Definitely this.
04:45-5:30 on the clip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sHHt-uUcJk
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^ "Cena also said Vince McMahon would make a good leading man in movies, among other things."
Bootlicking, no dignity, ass-kissing motherer.
Bootlicking, no dignity, ass-kissing mother
er.
[quote name='Demolition Man']Ugh...
http://www.sescoops.com/wrestling-n...ertaker-at-wrestlemania-talks-about-the-rock/[/QUOTE]
Plans in the WWE change on a minute-by-minute basis and you're saying "Ugh" at an article that was written while Cena was shilling out Legendary. In late 2010. Before the Cena/Rock thing even came around.
http://www.sescoops.com/wrestling-n...ertaker-at-wrestlemania-talks-about-the-rock/[/QUOTE]
Plans in the WWE change on a minute-by-minute basis and you're saying "Ugh" at an article that was written while Cena was shilling out Legendary. In late 2010. Before the Cena/Rock thing even came around.
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[quote name='Scorch']Plans in the WWE change on a minute-by-minute basis and you're saying "Ugh" at an article that was written while Cena was shilling out Legendary. In late 2010. Before the Cena/Rock thing even came around.[/QUOTE]
It's still worth of "ugh" even if its from late 2010.
It's still worth of "ugh" even if its from late 2010.
Oh shit, I totally blanked that Foley had returned to WWE. Now that's a match that would have the proper amount of historical significance behind it. I like that idea now, perhaps moreso than my desire to 'Taker v. Stone Cold. Damn you guys when it doesn't end up happening for putting that in my head.
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[quote name='Demolition Man']Ugh...
http://www.sescoops.com/wrestling-n...ertaker-at-wrestlemania-talks-about-the-rock/[/QUOTE]
So I go to this link. See a link about Stephanie losing 80lbs. Figure what the hell. Go to the muscle magazine link, aanndd MSE tell me I have a problem. First time since I built this computer. you Stephanie.
http://www.sescoops.com/wrestling-n...ertaker-at-wrestlemania-talks-about-the-rock/[/QUOTE]
So I go to this link. See a link about Stephanie losing 80lbs. Figure what the hell. Go to the muscle magazine link, aanndd MSE tell me I have a problem. First time since I built this computer.
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[quote name='JJSP']Well, the SD Elimination Chamber match should be a fun one.
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Daniel Bryan, Big Show, Cody Rhodes, Randy Orton, Wade Barrett, and The Great Khali
2 of those people don't even fit the chambers
I don't get why some people are still clamoring for Foley vs Undertaker at Wrestlemania. Undertaker is incredibly banged up to begin with, and Foley can barely walk. Like I said months ago when people were on a previous Foley vs Undertaker kick - to semi-quote that Ric Flair retirement song - leave the memories the alone.
[quote name='Scorch']Plans in the WWE change on a minute-by-minute basis and you're saying "Ugh" at an article that was written while Cena was shilling out Legendary. In late 2010. Before the Cena/Rock thing even came around.[/QUOTE]
I should dig up an article from like 3 years ago where HHH said no one helped HIM get over back in the day, so we can randomly ugh at things from the past. 9/11? Ugh. The holocaust? Ugh!!
I liked Sheamus ok when he was a heel and for the first part of his face run, but every time he opens his mouth now this is all I hear:
alone.[quote name='Scorch']Plans in the WWE change on a minute-by-minute basis and you're saying "Ugh" at an article that was written while Cena was shilling out Legendary. In late 2010. Before the Cena/Rock thing even came around.[/QUOTE]
I should dig up an article from like 3 years ago where HHH said no one helped HIM get over back in the day, so we can randomly ugh at things from the past. 9/11? Ugh. The holocaust? Ugh!!
I liked Sheamus ok when he was a heel and for the first part of his face run, but every time he opens his mouth now this is all I hear:
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I have no idea what inspired that picture, but I love it.
Triple H really said that nobody ever helped get him over? Huh. How about that.
Triple H really said that nobody ever helped get him over? Huh. How about that.
[quote name='mykevermin']I have no idea what inspired that picture, but I love it.
Triple H really said that nobody ever helped get him over? Huh. How about that.[/QUOTE]
Should have said my friend randomly posted the text on another board, I only did the photo version. I do suggest a "Large Arse Horse Ate Two Tousand Apples Wrestling Thread" for next time, though.
And I actually do wish I could find that HHH article now. He literally said something that was very close to "Who ever helped me to get over?" Who stepped aside for me?" This wasn't some promo on Raw, it was an out of character thing with a magazine or website. And somewhere, Mick Foley wept.
[quote name='RedvsBlue']I'd rather see Undertaker/Mankind than HHH/Undertaker. I mean essentially last year's match was just finisher...finisher...finisher...countout...finisher...finisher...finisher. Can't be worse than that can it?[/QUOTE]
Sure it can, because despite what you wrote, the match was very entertaining. Not at the level of the previous years but still better than anything else on the card. What you're proposing would be hobble...hobble..."rapid fire" slow punches, hobble...hobble...walking knee to corner...chairshot...chokeslam the guy can barely get up for...tombstone that he can barely pick the guy up for. 20 and 0!
From a Foley on Celebrity Wife Swap recap:
Triple H really said that nobody ever helped get him over? Huh. How about that.[/QUOTE]
Should have said my friend randomly posted the text on another board, I only did the photo version. I do suggest a "Large Arse Horse Ate Two Tousand Apples Wrestling Thread" for next time, though.
And I actually do wish I could find that HHH article now. He literally said something that was very close to "Who ever helped me to get over?" Who stepped aside for me?" This wasn't some promo on Raw, it was an out of character thing with a magazine or website. And somewhere, Mick Foley wept.
[quote name='RedvsBlue']I'd rather see Undertaker/Mankind than HHH/Undertaker. I mean essentially last year's match was just finisher...finisher...finisher...countout...finisher...finisher...finisher. Can't be worse than that can it?[/QUOTE]
Sure it can, because despite what you wrote, the match was very entertaining. Not at the level of the previous years but still better than anything else on the card. What you're proposing would be hobble...hobble..."rapid fire" slow punches, hobble...hobble...walking knee to corner...chairshot...chokeslam the guy can barely get up for...tombstone that he can barely pick the guy up for. 20 and 0!
From a Foley on Celebrity Wife Swap recap:
...yeah. Promos only from now on, please. For everyone's good.
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[quote name='RedvsBlue']I'd rather see Undertaker/Mankind than HHH/Undertaker. I mean essentially last year's match was just finisher...finisher...finisher...countout...finisher...finisher...finisher. Can't be worse than that can it?[/QUOTE]
Sure it can, because despite what you wrote, the match was very entertaining. Not at the level of the previous years but still better than anything else on the card.
From a Foley on Celebrity Wife Swap recap:
Sure it can, because despite what you wrote, the match was very entertaining. Not at the level of the previous years but still better than anything else on the card.
From a Foley on Celebrity Wife Swap recap:
...yeah. Promos only from now on, please. For everyone's good.
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Foley/Taker is an idea that's great in theory, but would be a disaster in execution. After seeing Foley hobble around the Rumble, I don't think I could get excited for a full-length match from him. Of course, that's the problem, really... this isn't just a full-length match, this is Taker's potentially final match at Mania. In 2012, too, it's a mistake given the WWE tv environment. If this were 1999 and Vince would just let Foley and Taker go out there and beat the shit out of each other until they're bloody, it'd be a different story. Without that, I fear Foley doesn't have much to offer in-ring-wise anymore.
The other big question mark with all of this is no one really knows what Taker's status is. This is a guy who was visibly less-than-100% last year, which he followed up by taking an entire year off. What kind of shape is his body in? Could he even pull off a WM25 HBK match anymore? It's a big part (well, second to ego, anyway) why I think they're headed towards another HHH match... the man might be boring as, but he can put on a fairly solid match with anyone. It might not be spectacular, but go ahead and imagine Sheamus trying to carry a limited Taker through a match. If those are my options, I'll take HHH any day.
... of course, after Monday, the big question isn't who he'll face, but whether they'll continue with the ridiculous wig. I'm more interested in that now than who he'll face. I mean, jesus, if that's the best they could pull off WITH a hat on, then I'm dying to see him get physical.
The other big question mark with all of this is no one really knows what Taker's status is. This is a guy who was visibly less-than-100% last year, which he followed up by taking an entire year off. What kind of shape is his body in? Could he even pull off a WM25 HBK match anymore? It's a big part (well, second to ego, anyway) why I think they're headed towards another HHH match... the man might be boring as
, but he can put on a fairly solid match with anyone. It might not be spectacular, but go ahead and imagine Sheamus trying to carry a limited Taker through a match. If those are my options, I'll take HHH any day.... of course, after Monday, the big question isn't who he'll face, but whether they'll continue with the ridiculous wig. I'm more interested in that now than who he'll face. I mean, jesus, if that's the best they could pull off WITH a hat on, then I'm dying to see him get physical.
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Y'all are right on all fronts. Don't with the memories.
Were you the same people clamoring for Sting-Hogan last year? I imagine not. Why didn't you want to see it happen? Same reason I don't want to see Mankind/Undertaker.
EDIT: Yeah, that's about right:
Last EDIT (for now): WrestleMania Anthology box set is selling for quite a bit right now on Amazon - I just sold mine for $200, which is more than what I paid for it 3-4 years ago (whenever it came out). I got tired of the edits ruining the enjoyment of the discs. So I'll buy the Coliseum editions via the "Tagged Classics" series. Counting those and the other DVDs, I have (after selling the box set) all WMs on DVD except for 7-14.
with the memories.Were you the same people clamoring for Sting-Hogan last year? I imagine not. Why didn't you want to see it happen? Same reason I don't want to see Mankind/Undertaker.
EDIT: Yeah, that's about right:
Last EDIT (for now): WrestleMania Anthology box set is selling for quite a bit right now on Amazon - I just sold mine for $200, which is more than what I paid for it 3-4 years ago (whenever it came out). I got tired of the edits ruining the enjoyment of the discs. So I'll buy the Coliseum editions via the "Tagged Classics" series. Counting those and the other DVDs, I have (after selling the box set) all WMs on DVD except for 7-14.
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That's such a bizarre ing list, though. Maybe I have different ideas of 'overrated', but the ones I see on that list are Hardy, HHH, Punk, Morgan, and Orton. The rest of them appear to fall into the 'overestimated by their respective company' category... I mean, was there some fan out there talking up Mason Ryan, Kevin Nash (well, beyond it being amazing that he didn't immediately hurt himself), Anderson, or Sin Cara?
If this was a list of "Overpushed" guys, I'm fine with it. "Overrated" has too many false implications for me with this one.
ing list, though. Maybe I have different ideas of 'overrated', but the ones I see on that list are Hardy, HHH, Punk, Morgan, and Orton. The rest of them appear to fall into the 'overestimated by their respective company' category... I mean, was there some fan out there talking up Mason Ryan, Kevin Nash (well, beyond it being amazing that he didn't immediately hurt himself), Anderson, or Sin Cara? If this was a list of "Overpushed" guys, I'm fine with it. "Overrated" has too many false implications for me with this one.
You know what... UT... HHH, that match was boring as shit last year, Taker should have been defeated long ago. I hate the ing streak and I hate that when he comes back people act like its a big deal, Taker has not been a big deal to me ever...
I know I am in the minority, but I just wish he would go away...
UT... HHH, that match was boring as shit last year, Taker should have been defeated long ago. I hate the ing streak and I hate that when he comes back people act like its a big deal, Taker has not been a big deal to me ever...I know I am in the minority, but I just wish he would go away...
There's still plenty of time before the EC PPV ... my money would be on Jinder Mahal taking out Khali and Christian returning to take his place (he should be close, right?) .. I also thought I read that Mysterio would be back by Mania? Not that his stale shit is any better.
On a side note, Smackdown is all sorts ofed. I think I'd rather watch someone like Alex ing Riley in the EC match instead of ing Khali.
On a side note, Smackdown is all sorts of
ed. I think I'd rather watch someone like Alex ing Riley in the EC match instead of ing Khali.- Status
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