The Critically Acclaimed Abraham Washington Wrestling Thread

Heyman helped get Brock noticed. Yeah, his size and ability were great but all you saw at first was his size and him destroying people like Maven, Al Snow and the 'Hardy Boyz'. Otherwise he would have been just another Snitsky/Mike Knox/Sean O'Haire ..

.. okay, maybe not quite Sean O'Haire, but you get the point.
 
One of the WWE releases is rumored to be related to a wellness violation.

This would be Jimmy Yang's Twitter account.

"3 strike and your out i hear florida is a nice place to visit."
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LOL at the idea Brock would have been lost in the shuffle without Heyman. Guys, we're talking about when Heyman managed Lesnar, not Heidenreich. I know they're both big and blonde, but we shouldn't be confusing the two.

In case it wasn't clear earlier - I'm not arguing Heyman didn't help Brock at all, I'm arguing the point that Heyman "made" him, which is asinine. Brock's presentation was absolutely enhanced with Heyman's presence at first, but he was going to be just as big, just as prominent as he would turn out to be anyway. He was given a near Goldberg-level push (and had that same silent charisma), fit every aspect of Vince's wet dream checklist, and was "legitimate" on top of all of it.

Lesnar wins KOTR, beats Rocky at Summerslam and beats Undertaker at Hell in a Cell, Heyman or no Heyman.
 
I'm pretty much in agreement with you, I just think Heyman was able to be his nitrous and get him there a little faster. It definitely would have happened regardless. Pippen to his Jordan? Eh, maybe more like Horace Grant.
 
Am I the only one who enjoys the TNA Knockouts? I hated wathcing the Divas in the WWE Wrestle. But when the TNA knockouts wrestle, I don't mind watching at all. I'd love to see Hamada get a great push. I'd also love to see TWGTT back together again or at least see Shelton go to TNA. Shame about pope also. I'm just glad about the whole RVD thing. I love going to see him every week. But I must say, he is really playing this RVD Thumb point thing off A LOT. I need a van terminator or Van Daminator at least
 
I turn on WWE for the first time since Wrestlemania and see Beth Phoenix being thrown into an ironing board and afterwards Vickie puts lipstick on her. WTF
 
I worry about Shelton in TNA because of their love of bi weekly #1 contender to the cage key holders championship of the mountain ladder matches.
 
[quote name='Sporadic']I turn on WWE for the first time since Wrestlemania and see Beth Phoenix being thrown into an ironing board and afterwards Vickie puts lipstick on her. WTF[/QUOTE]

Wow....sounds so entertaining.....:roll:


I'm just glad there are other products out there besides the WWE Honestly.
 
Swagger-Morrison was a great TV match, but the booking was just terrible for Swagger. First, they show a video package showing him dominant against Taker - great. THEN THEY UNDERMINE IT ON COMMENTARY by saying oh yeah, he lost the match. He shines against Morrison with some sweet moves, like the Crippler crossface chickenwing that drove Morrison's face into the mat, but lost to a shitty-looking Pele kick and an even worse Starship Pain that didn't even appear to connect. Striker, to his credit, tried to put Swagger over as much as possible by downplaying Grisham bringing up the Taker loss and stating that Swagger has some unique offense and does things that no one else can do, but it's not enough. This guy needs as much help as possible, and even beating Orton on Sunday won't be enough unless he really dominates and doesn't win via a fluke. Morrison being built up to win a devalued title doesn't really help him either.

Drew and Dolph vs. Matt and Truth was a great little match. The curb stomp ON THE STAIRS from Drew to Matt was incredible - it looked sick, was a way to have Matt lose without jobbing him, and got the curb stomp over as a killer move for Drew IF they push it correctly. They also showed a ton of replays of it and did a great job of building up a future Matt-Drew IC title match.

The Edge-Jericho promo did an excellent job building up their cage match. I especially loved Edge being realistically intense when he talked about knowing what it's like to recover from a serious injury. He wasn't doing his over-the-top act, he was actually acting like a human being for once, and it was a welcome change.

JTG and Shad's feud continues to be built up very well. While they did a terrible job of explaining just why they need to have a strap match at the PPV, at least they got over the strap being deadly by having Shad demolish JTG with it. Shad's image makeover is working for me - he's completely changed his character around and acts far differently than he ever did while in Cryme Tyme. It's very JBL-like in that he not only fits this role perfectly, but that they didn't do it sooner since he shaved his head months ago and it didn't really fit the gimmick. Much like how JBL had his frosted blonde hair and shaved face during the final APA run - it didn't fit there, but fit super-corporate JBL perfectly.

SES vs. Kane/Rey was Kane's best match in a long time, and I love how they continued the teases with Punk getting his head shaved. The moonsault>GTS setup counter was incredible, and something I hope they bring back for the PPV, but with Punk winning with it.

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Quotes -
Striker - I was very impressed with Jack Swagger on Monday - going toe-to-toe with the once-in-a-lifetime superstar THE UNDERTAKER. HE IS READY FOR RANDY ORTON!
Swagger - JACK SWAGGER IS ON A ROLL! LAST WEEK, I DEFEATED TWO FUTURE WWE HALL OF FAMERS - EDGE, AND JERICHO, THE MAN WHO CALLS HIMSELF THE BEST IN THE WORLD AT WHAT HE DOES! I GUESS THAT MAKES ME THE BEST NOW! On Raw, I DOMINATED THE UNDERTAKER LIKE NO OTHER SUPERSTAR - INCLUDING SHAWN MICHAELS! I don’t like to brag, so I’m gonna let the video package do that for me! AND THAT SAYS IT ALL - IT REALLY DOES! AND THIS CHAMPION, YOUR CHAMPION, HOPES TO BECOME A PERMANENT MEMBER OF THE SD ROSTER - WHERE I’M RESPECTED AND ADMIRED! WHERE MY CHAMPIONSHIP PRESENCE IS REQUIRED AND I CAN INSPIRE AN ENTIRE UNIVERSE! AT EXTREME RULES, I PLAN TO DOMINATE RANDY ORTON AND GIVE YOU A CHAMPION YOU CAN BELIEVE IN AND WHO CAN TRANSCEND GENERATIONS! I know the viper will try to use his venom that will defeat anyone in 3 seconds - BUT I AM NOT A NORMAL MAN! I AM THE ANTIDOTE! I’M NOT GONNA PLAY WITH THE VIPER, I’M GOING FOR THE VIPER’S NECK! AND I’M GONNA CUT ITS HEAD OFF!
Grisham - That Undertaker video was a little one-sided.
Striker - Okay, so it left out the part that showed the Undertaker was victorious…
(during a crossface chickenwing)Striker - POTENTIAL SUBMISSION! LOOK AT THE STRIATIONS ON JOHN MORRISON’S DELTOIDS!
Striker - Look at how Swagger’s forearm is against Morrison’s chin - THE FOREARM BONE IS ALMOST LIKE A SERATED KNIFE!
(during a clip of Swagger being DDTd)Striker - SWAGGER WANTS TO BE ON SD SO WE CAN SEE MORE STUFF LIKE THIS!
CM Punk - THERE’S A SOCIOPATHIC GREMLIN RUNNING AROUND HERE WITH CLIPPERS!
Long - That’s your problem.
Punk - IT’S YOUR SHOW!
Long - I hope you beat Rey - because you’ll look really ugly bald. It takes a real fine-looking man like me to pull off the bald look. CHECK OUT THAT SHINE! Bald is beautiful - HOLLA!
Grisham - Dolph has locked Kane, the Great Khali, and R-Truth in the sleeper!
Striker - And Josh Mathews. I liked that one.
Striker - MATT HARDY IS THE HEART AND SOUL OF FRIDAY NIGHTS!
Striker - DOLPH HAS PERFECTED THE SLEEPER HOLD!
Sign - Kane is Able
(after a curb stomp on the steps)Striker - THAT WAS DISGUSTING!! I LOVED IT!
Striker - Maybe Matt feels that without the WWE, he has no options.
Jericho - Let me make this so clear so that even you moronic hypocrites can understand what I’m going to say. This Sunday, I’M GOING TO END THE CAREER OF EDGE. And what that means si no more heroic comebacks, no more title reigns, and most importantly, NO MORE SPEARS. Chant spear all ya like - IT’S THE LAST TIME YOU WILL! You saw how I laid the groundwork by injuring Edge ankle, which will lead to the biggest moment of my career inside this steel cage. Edge, YOU HAVE NO IDEA THE LENGTHS I’LL GO TO IN THE CAGE. WILL I RAKE YOUR HEAD AGAINST THE FENCE, BOUNCE YOUR HEAD OFF THE BAR, and while you can’t climb the cage, I CAN. Maybe I’ll jump off the top right onto your ankle and snap your Achilles tendon again and send you home! On Monday night, when everyone is waiting to see what roster they’re on, you’ll be in the hospital after I draft you there. With Edge gone from WWE, Wade Barrett, all of these parasites who call themselves Edgeheads and chant spear, spear, spear…they’ll be chanting good-bye, Edge. Good-bye, Edge! (Edge comes out)
Grisham - Hello, Edge!
Edge - Ya know, you bring up a good point - you did injure my ankle last week. A lot of people have wondered how I’m gonna compete, but more are wondering HOW YOU LOST TO ROOKIE HEATH SLATER THIS WEEK ON NXT. Seriously, I’ve had a lot of things floating through my head, and I am pretty banged up, but nothing is gonna stop me from getting inside that cage on Sunday. As a matter of fact, there’s nothing that’s gonna stop me from getting inside the cage now! Because Chris, you keep saying how you’re gonna reinjure me. But I know how to deal - I’ve been injured before. I know what it takes to claw from the bottom of my guts and recover! I’VE BROKEN MY NECK FOR THIS BUSINESS! DO YOU KNOW WHAT IT TAKES TO COME BACK FROM A BROKEN NECK OR A TORN ACHILLES TENDON! LOOK INTO MY EYES! Do I look like a man who has anything to lose!? DO I! ON SUNDAY, WE’LL FIND OUT IF YOU HAVE WHAT IT TAKES TO RECOVER FROM AN INJURY, BECAUSE I DON’T THINK YOU DO! NOTHING IS GONNA STOP ME FROM SPEARING YOU THROUGH THIS CAGE! I’ll do that one better - there’s nothing that is gonna stop me from spearing you right now!
Striker - Let’s look at MACGRUBER! MACGRUBER!
Striker - Shad, I like your thuggery. Why did Cryme Tyme break up?
Shad - We made it out of Brooklyn, but I always had to look out for him - WHAT ABOUT MY TIME!?
Grisham - JTG’S TIRED OF BEING BULLIED.
Shad - Grisham, be quiet.
Striker - Yes.
Striker - JTG is facing a larger man to prepare for you, what makes you different?
Shad - I’m the six foot six, 290 pound Brookyln Beast!
Shad - He’s worse than Lebron James - he’s all flash!
Striker - WE WILL HAVE AN EXTREME MAKEOVER MATCH AT EXTREME RULES. OH WHAT TO EXPECT!
Striker - SOMEONE CALL HIROSHI HASE, THERE’S THE GIANT SWING!
Striker - THAT NECKBREAKER SHOULD BE CALLED THE LAYOUT, CUZ THERE’S ONLY SILENCE AFTER IT!
(after Layla brings out an ironing board)Striker - Time to press the issue. MICHELLE IS PRETTY STEAMED! TALK ABOUT IRONING OUT YOUR ISSUES!
(after Beth is hit with the board)Striker - THAT BOARD IS MADE OF METAL!
Punk - THE HAIR ON MY HEAD WILL REMAIN AS PURE AS THE DRIVEN SNOW!
Striker - IF REY GOES OVER THE STRAIGHT EDGE, THE WHOLE NATION WILL GO OVER TO STRAIGHT EDGE!
Grisham - Punk is a 3-time World champion, but now, he’s obsessed with expanding his Straight Edge Society!
Grisham - The referee was telling Kane to get back to his corner!
(during a Kane-assisted splash from Rey to Punk)Grisham - TALK ABOUT ALTITUDE! REY WAS FLYING HIGH THERE!
 
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Damn.. this thread moves too fast for me. I was all excited about having finished the last thread, and come to open this one up... wtf already over 200 posts? What did you guys think of RAW and Impact from Monday? I actually enjoyed RAW for once.. despite them not having a lot of their A-list stars, they put on a decent show. The Triple H comedy bits were putty good. Also.. to all the TNA haters: how about the last show? Not bad huh? :]
 
[quote name='PhrostByte']Damn.. this thread moves too fast for me. I was all excited about having finished the last thread, and come to open this one up... wtf already over 200 posts? What did you guys think of RAW and Impact from Monday? I actually enjoyed RAW for once.. despite them not having a lot of their A-list stars, they put on a decent show. The Triple H comedy bits were putty good. Also.. to all the TNA haters: how about the last show? Not bad huh? :][/QUOTE]
I thought Raw was fine. Most of the Macgruber skits were ok, other than that nothing to write home about.

I missed the last half of TNA, but I heard it was a spectacular show. :(
 
To be fair, I don't think any of us here actually hate TNA. We all wanna see them do well, but we also call it like we see it, and week after week we saw nothing but shit coming from the product.

That being said, this past week's show was excellent.
 
I still think TNA ruined what could of been easily a PPV main event in Styles/RVD by not only giving it away on Impact but having the title changed on Impact like that. Especially given that it was the night after Styles defended it at Lockdown. Yes Impact was better this last week I will give TNA credit where its due. But when we are comparing this last week's Impact to the past year so far... well its easy to suddenly call this an "excellent" Impact when all we've had lately was dog shit on a pole.

As far as this rankings thing TNA/Bischoff/etc is coming up with... I must be the only person who wonders if TNA would be doing this if ROH didn't have that little Pick Six rankings going on right now? :whistle2:k

On that note... the McGrubber stuff on RAW was horrendously bad. All it did was make me never want to see that "film" ever.
 
[quote name='Purple Flames']To be fair, I don't think any of us here actually hate TNA. We all wanna see them do well, but we also call it like we see it, and week after week we saw nothing but shit coming from the product.

That being said, this past week's show was excellent.[/QUOTE]

You know what PF.. not sure if I agree completely. On this board, it seems to be a common thing to bash TNA. Sure, a lot of the time the company deserves it, but if you actually take the time to watch the show, they definitely do put out a lot of good pro rasslin. Nothing is perfect, I think anyone that dares to look at the products objectively can admit to that, but a lot of the negativity targeting TNA from the usual wrestling thread posters has been unwarranted. Sometimes I feel like the haters will hate regardless of the actual product. It's a shame... oh well.
 
strongpimphand seems to get the largest boners from TNA's shortcomings, like they're some sort of personal victory for him.

At least we know one person has a replica spinner belt in this thread.
[quote name='Demolition Man']I still think TNA ruined what could of been easily a PPV main event in Styles/RVD by not only giving it away on Impact but having the title changed on Impact like that.[/QUOTE]
Yeah. It sucks that they'll never be able to face off again, or have a feud stem from RVD's surprise win.

...

Oh. Wait.
 
yea the internet has always been pro WWE even since the Monday Night War days. McMahon will always have his sheep. I flipped over after Impact to see Khali in a wig, and R -Truth being blown up and have nothing but his shoes left. The "comedy" WWE has is basically like those shitty Scary Movies.
 
[quote name='Brak']Yeah. It sucks that they'll never be able to face off again, or have a feud stem from RVD's surprise win.[/QUOTE]

You missed my entire point in which TNA gave away what should of been easily a PPV main event title match. Its not that RVD/Styles can't still be a PPV main event draw but TNA just took away any excitement of seeing them in the ring for the first time. Especially to give that all away with at best one hour to build the hype up on Impact.

RVD/Hardy should have been the main event on Impact. Since RVD was booked to win that then RVD/Styles for the TNA title would have been the main event for the next PPV. That match alone would guarantee some solid buy rates for TNA.
 
The title change on Impact reminds me of the Attitude Era where a title match was fairly standard on free TV in order to steal ratings from the competition. I think TNA was trying that, but still a title change doesn't mean much if no one knows about it beforehand. This bodes true for myself. Like I said on Monday, I didn't even know they were having a title match until I switched over from RAW and saw RVD celebrating in the ring with the belt, which left me rather dumbfounded.

If they had told me last week (or hell, even someone in the thread mentioning it) that there was gonna be a #1 contender's match and subsequent title match on the card Monday, I have watched the majority of the show. Now, it's evident by the ratings boost this past week that the title match was a draw, but I think if they had given the viewers more notice, then they could have been even higher.
 
[quote name='Demolition Man']You missed my entire point in which TNA gave away what should of been easily a PPV main event title match. Its not that RVD/Styles can't still be a PPV main event draw but TNA just took away any excitement of seeing them in the ring for the first time. Especially to give that all away with at best one hour to build the hype up on Impact.

RVD/Hardy should have been the main event on Impact. Since RVD was booked to win that then RVD/Styles for the TNA title would have been the main event for the next PPV. That match alone would guarantee some solid buy rates for TNA.[/QUOTE]

i disagree. TNA took complete advantage of the fact that everyone knew WWE was gonna be putting on a sub par show and it paid off for them with the best ratings theyve pulled in since moving to monday nights. would it have been a good main event at a PPV, hell yeah.

RVD and styles put on a great match, that got even the biggest TNA skeptics (helllllllllllllllllllllllllo) to turn the channel and pass up what was supposed to be a good match on RAW (minus the world champ lookin like a bitch).
 
I think TNA did the right thing by doing everything on one night. Did they hotshot it? Sure, but they at least made the show exciting. WWE hotshotted the Trump Raw ownership deal last year and it wasn't the least bit exciting and made for bad TV. This made for excellent TV and ensured that the show would be remembered for being RVD's night. I didn't like much of his post-WWE work, but in TNA, he's been awesome. In the span of 24 hours, he was in FOUR good matches, with three of them (RVD vs. Storm, RVD vs. Hardy, and RVD vs. Styles) being at least 3 star matches. They put the title over huge at the beginning of the show and Hogan gave RVD whatever rub he could be getting the belt for him (just seeing Hogan with the belt, like seeing Flair hold it, gives it instant cred), and putting it on his shoulder. The red and yellow confetti was a big much, not so much the amount of confetti, which was cool, BUT RED AND YELLOW!? SERIOUSLY!? Anyway, they made the title seem really important, and this was the best Impact show they've had since 1/4 and was something they could really build on. TNA came off as the hot, fresh product Monday, and they didn't even have that vibe after 1/4 due to the abundance of old timers on it.
 
[quote name='cdubb1605']8:1 seriously, ill pull a vermin. if JR signs with tna i will eat a cowboy hat[/QUOTE]

Correction: you'll say you will eat a hat, and then balk when it happens.

[quote name='Purple Flames']I think TNA was trying that, but still a title change doesn't mean much if no one knows about it beforehand.[/QUOTE]

RVD is a known commodity and a popular commodity. TNA wasn't pushing AJ Styles as the figurehead of the company, which wasn't a good idea since he was the champ. Add to that the growing pains he's experienced moving into the role of "lil' naitch," and it made a product that seemed to not be compelling from the top down - their champ, sad to say, was a farce. People will tune in to say RVD who have never even heard of AJ Styles before. Now the goal for TNA is to build names - to make people froth at the mouth at the thought of RVD-Samoa Joe title matches, or RVD-AJ, RVD-Pope, RVD-Shelton Benjamin (;)). They have to build talent so the whole company looks robust. Putting the belt on RVD and getting it off of AJ was super smart of them to do, quite frankly. Heck, they could do a thing w/ RVD/Jeff Hardy again and fans would love that. Babyface feud? Not done often enough.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Correction: you'll say you will eat a hat, and then balk when it happens.[/QUOTE]


it still sounds good in theory
 
Why is everyone so eager to see Jim Ross with TNA? They could have Cena, Undertaker and Rey Mysterio, and their ratings would probably still be the same.
 
[quote name='lmz00']Why is everyone so eager to see Jim Ross with TNA? They could have Cena, Undertaker and Rey Mysterio, and their ratings would probably still be the same.[/QUOTE]

Because Ross wants a behind the scenes job as well and could do a lot for TNA in that way.
 
Watched a few more Smackdown segments (only saw the main event and divas match on Friday). They did a nice job setting up SD's young heels going into the draft should they be traded. Shad in particular was great on commentary and actually spoke to Striker and Grisham as opposed to just spouting awkward comments here and there.

It was also nice to see McIntyre and Ziggler be as aggressive as they should be. They also added to McIntyre's deal of using every part of the ring as a weapon and it got a good reaction when he curb stomped Hardy. They never DQ anyone for using the corner posts/steps, so why not use it as an advantage?
 
I'll agree with Rey and Undertaker, but Cena? If TNA got Cena and gave him the same treatment he gets now, TNA will quickly double their ratings.
 
[quote name='OnyxPrimal']Because Ross wants a behind the scenes job as well and could do a lot for TNA in that way.[/QUOTE]

Exactly. J.R. wouldn't mean anything for ratings, but his influence behind the scenes could make the difference between TNA being an underachieving company and one that actually makes as much money as it should. With a talent roster as good as TNA's is, there's no good reason for the company to be doing so poorly on PPV. They've got one of the best talent rosters of all-time. Theoretically, they've got a crew that if nothing else, could deliver the best wrestling shows on TV and PPV and yet they never do that anymore. They did in '05, when they were easily the best PPV wrestling product available in the U.S., but haven't been in years.

[quote name='Chronis']I'll agree with Rey and Undertaker, but Cena? If TNA got Cena and gave him the same treatment he gets now, TNA will quickly double their ratings.[/QUOTE]
I doubt that. They've got Jeff Hardy - a WWE ratings draw in the past year AND THE TOP DRAW IN WWE for 2009, and he didn't do shit for their ratings. Instead, Jeff's stock just plummeted. So yeah, I think that's what would happen with Cena. He'd go there, it wouldn't help TNA's ratings, and he'd just wind up as less of a star than he was before entering the company.
 
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For once.. I'm actually "back into" wrestling. I haven't enjoyed too much WWE lately.. with the exception of a few moments. The Bret/Vince story was decent, and successfully put over the Hart Dynasty. I've grown to like Jack Swagger, Evan Bourne, and even The Miz.. but the whole time I really have been rooting for the underdog, TNA. Last Monday's show has definitely piqued my interest for next week. :]
 
[quote name='lmz00']Why is everyone so eager to see Jim Ross with TNA? They could have Cena, Undertaker and Rey Mysterio, and their ratings would probably still be the same.[/QUOTE]
I didn't realize that Jim Ross was a wrestler. And, hey; This apple is an orange! Weird.
 
[quote name='pitfallharry219']It's been done before in ECW in 2007.[/QUOTE]

Does a match actually happen if no one sees it? ;)

I do remember that (vaguely) but there's a big difference between Elijah (we still have him on our roster?) Burke and D'Angelo Dinero. I know you realize that, I'm just sayin'.

[quote name='Brak']I didn't realize that Jim Ross was a wrestler. And, hey; This apple is an orange! Weird.[/QUOTE]

Heh.
 
[quote name='JaytheGamefan']With a talent roster as good as TNA's is, there's no good reason for the company to be doing so poorly on PPV.[/QUOTE]

Their main problem is that nobody who doesn't watch Impact or UFC knows that they have PPVs. I see commercials for WWE PPVs all the time on a variety of channels. I've never once seen a TNA PPV commercial outside of Spike TV.

Anyway, Smackdown was strange last night. First off, I don't know what the fuck they are doing with Swagger. He's 3-4 since winning Money in the Bank, and 2-3 since becoming champion (not counting his title win). He's 0-3 on Raw. They're making him look terrible. The tag match loss was fine. But then, Orton beat him cleanly again. The Undertaker match- I'm fine with Undertaker beating Jack Swagger. But why throw away their first ever meeting like that? They could have built a decent program between the two.

Then he lost on last night's episode, cleanly, to John Morrison. Now, I'm a big Morrison fan. Have been since Tough Enough. I like him better than Swagger. I think he should be a world champion. But instead of enjoying his victory, I simply sat there, dumbfounded. It was a stupid decision. Morrison probably won't even get a shot at the strap anytime soon, much less win it.

Moving on... the build to the Cryme Tyme match has been really good. I like Shad's new character. It's just sad that JTG, who had most of the in-ring talent between the two, will likely fade away and get fied.

The women's match has had a decent build, but they didn't even bother to explain what an "Extreme Makeover match" was. Is Ty Pennington going to come and smash their houses? Will Big Show, R-Truth, and the Bellas help? Show did a damn good job when he appeared on Extreme Makeover: Home Edition.

Speaking of Troof, that tag match was pretty good. The finish was pretty cool, and something I hadn't seen before (though we've had plenty of variations on "guy gets smashed into the steps"). I don't know what the stipulation would be, but they need to do an IC title match between Mac and Matt at Extreme Rules, where Drew just beats the fuck out of a concussed Hardy, but Matt WILL NOT DIE... until he gets the Future Shock onto a chair or something, leading to the ref stopping the match when Drew goes for more punishment rather than a pinfall.

The main event was pretty good, too. But teaming Mysterio and Kane was as stupid as TNA having Booker T and Robert Roode team together a couple months- at most- after their feud in which Roode broke Sharmell's jaw, and Booker threatened to kill him. Hell, on SD, Rey and Kane even did tandem moves! I kind of hoped that their pre-match discussion would have re-established that they don't like each other, but I couldn't hear a damn thing they said.

And about Punk... I'm very worried. He's lost more matches than Swagger lately. Granted, he wasn't supposed to be pinned on Raw, and he asked to do the job to protect Gallows after his loss to Black Cena, but I can't remember the last time he won before last night. And the fact that he DID pin Mysterio 2 days before the PPV, along with the fact that Rey already cut off a huge piece of hair, leads me to believe that Rey will win at the PPV. And come on... did you see the "before and after" signs in the crowd? Punk without hair looked like Mad Dog Vachon.

All in all, I liked the show, but I didn't agree with some of the booking decisions. Extreme Rules looks pretty good on paper, but I won't get to watch it live since the Kings playoff game will be on.
 
[quote name='cdubb1605']8:1 seriously, ill pull a vermin. if JR signs with tna i will eat a cowboy hat[/QUOTE]

If it happens, I demand video this time:D:lol:

By the way, have the TNA ratings for this past Monday been published yet?
 
[quote name='Matt Young']Raw 3.0
Impact 1.0[/QUOTE]

Ho-ho, a 1.0. Impact is certainly up. Hopefully the can build on Monday's program, which I just saw and was indeed excellent. Throw in some real creative talent ala Heyman/J.R. personality (doesn't have to be them, just someone with passion and a talent for the business) and this is a great starting point.
 
[quote name='Matt Young']I don't expect them to do any better than, let's say, 1.2, until they start advertising Impact on channels other than Spike TV.[/QUOTE]

I don't see why they need to. Other TV shows/programming never advertise on other channels, for the most part. I think if they build a better product, people will come even just by word of mouth, especially now having stars like Hogan/Flair which most casual fans know or have heard of.
 
They do advertise on other channels. I've seen 15 second spots during WWE shows. Though I'm not sure how successful having Hogan say how great TNA is during a WWE commercial break is
 
[quote name='hiccupleftovers']I don't see why they need to. Other TV shows/programming never advertise on other channels, for the most part. I think if they build a better product, people will come even just by word of mouth, especially now having stars like Hogan/Flair which most casual fans know or have heard of.[/QUOTE]

Most TV shows don't, but WWE does it all the time.
 
Interesting... WWE rating = 3 and TNA rating = 1. Now I'm not 100% familiar with the Neilson ratings structure, but I would think that seemingly that means that if let's say 3 people watch WWE every monday, you have 1 person watching TNA. That's 33%... actually a pretty decent viewership. Who knows where we'll be a couple years from now?
 
There are a number of reports floating around that Batista will be finishing up his WWE commitments at the Extreme Rules PPV. He's expected to step away from wrestling in order to focus on his acting career, and could be done as soon as the PPV or the draft on Monday.
 
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