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Having recently acquired a couple of tremendous Arcade1Up machines on sale at a local Walmart. Very tremendous. I thought we needed a dedicated Arcade1Up deals thread to keep track of deals. I know deals people, believe me.
 
These deals are very YMMV but it seems many, many Walmarts are clearing these out right now. Clearing them out. Brickseek links provided where available, check your local stores for price and availability. Brickseek is not 100% accurate though, as I said ... YMMV.

Search your local area, or any ZIP, for in store deals with deals.consolekits.com (Site no longer exists)
 
Asteroids, Major Havoc, Lunar Lander and Tempest - as low as $75 in store, very hard to find or $164.99 online
 
Centipede, Millipede, Missile Command, Crystal Castles - as low as $75 in store, very hard to find or $174.99 online
 
Final Fight, 1944, Ghosts'N Goblins, Strider - as low as $125 in store $150 at Walmart online
 
Galaga, Galaxian - as low as $75 in store $150 at Walmart online

Mortal Kombat I,II & III - as low as $150 in store $199 at Walmart online
 
Pacman, Pacman PLUS - as low as $150 in store
 
Rampage, Gauntlet, Joust, Defender - as low as $75 in store $199 at Walmart online
 
Space Invaders - as low as $75 in store $150 at Walmart online
 
Street Fighter ll - as low as $75 in store $199 at Walmart online
 
Golden Tee - $299 at Walmart

Marvel Superheroes - $299 at Walmart

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Arcade Machine w/ Riser - $349 at Walmart

Star Wars w/riser - $399 at Walmart

Pac-Man Head to Head Arcade Table with Two Pac-Man Gaming Stools (No Galaga or DigDug)- $450 at Sam's

Street Fighter Head to Head Arcade Table - $430 at Walmart

Legends Ultimate Home Arcade Special Edition - $500 at Sam's

 
Arcade1up Riser - $44.88 online or order for instore pickup
 
 
I myself picked up the Final Fight and Rampage machines for $125 each for the Oval Office in the White CatCondo.

 
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Guys it's simple: AtGames is the budget option for home arcade stuff. I own the Mini AtGames Legend Tetris whatever machine and it's alright. I look at it and enjoy it as art way more than I do for it's gaming ability. Let's be honest, we own all these games already or have a PC that can play them loads better than any home machine. 

AtGames stuff is OK -- you get what you pay for! 

 
I’ll throw my 2 cents in here, for what they’re worth. I think the AtGames are great- for what they are AND for the price.

I started with 2 original launch arcade1ups. Eventually converted them to multicades (1 running a pi and 1 running a pc).

I picked up an AtGames gamer pro the first time they were $99 and then a gamer mini the first time they were like $67 or whatever. The pro is huge. The mini is awesome, imo it just needs a trackball. I think the buttons and joystick are great (better than Arcade1up), the software is ok (better than say a raspberry pi 3), and the entire point of getting one is to put coinopsX on it. STUPID SIMPLE to add hundreds or thousands of games.

In my arcade I now have 3 real arcade machines, a virtual pinball machine, an Arcade1up running a pc, and an Arcade1up running the AtGames mini). All are great- if anything, I really don’t need the pc multicade anymore and I may get rid of that one.

If I was starting from scratch, I’d buy the Gamer Pro and build a pedestal for it and that would be my multicade. CoinopsX is great and 99% of the games I’d want can run on it.

Personally I think $50 and $99 are no brainer prices for these.

But their customer service is beyond terrible. If something breaks, return it or just buy a new one at that point.
 
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Kwick is 💯 right. It just hit me after I spent the money on the machine, USB stick for CoinopsX, downloading the games, etc…. I could have done all of this on my computer, plugged in an old 360 controller, and have almost the same experience.
 
I bought a Gamer Pro but what I want it for, it does well. I'll be hooking it up to a TV next to my ALU and run 4 player games on the ALU with the screen mirrored on that TV. The TV will go on a swivel mount so I can also use it for pinball and vertical games too.

 
Kwick is right. It just hit me after I spent the money on the machine, USB stick for CoinopsX, downloading the games, etc…. I could have done all of this on my computer, plugged in an old 360 controller, and have almost the same experience.
The real question is if you want the arcade controls or not. It is going to cost you more to get any type of setup like this on your own, so if you want that you're getting it affordably with solid build quality. If you don't want that, then yeah there's absolutely no reason to get this. You shouldn't be getting any of these AtGames products for the emulation, heck I have an Optiplex or two just laying around. This is for giving yourself an affordable arcade experience, not for the emulation, however with Coinops I've found the navigation and the like to much much more pleasant than my experience with Rasperry Pi images which can be a real pain to configure and navigate.

 
Guys I can tell you as an owner of multiple AtGames products, they are trash. I own a legends ultimate, legends pinball and gamer pro. I am a complete and total idiot. Had the Tetris mini on preorder and finally had the sense to cancel it. 
 

The gamer pro is buggy as hell. Pinball machine has so many issues can’t even tell. Control panel joystick will just randomly stop working. If you touch the machine and discharge even a tiny but of static electricity all the screens flash. And recently the hdmi otg signal is dropping every couple  minutes making otg play unusable. All of these problems have been discussed by multiple people on the FB groups (not the official group because AtGames will just delete the post).  
 

Been waiting for a week from an answer from customer service about the pinball hdmi issue. No response. Just going to turn it into a pc pinball machine and forgo the AtGames hardware. 
 

Run as far away from these products as you possibly can. 

 
Guys it's simple: AtGames is the budget option for home arcade stuff. I own the Mini AtGames Legend Tetris whatever machine and it's alright. I look at it and enjoy it as art way more than I do for it's gaming ability. Let's be honest, we own all these games already or have a PC that can play them loads better than any home machine.

AtGames stuff is OK -- you get what you pay for!
Look, AtGames is a lot better now than they were five years ago. When they sell you an arcade console, it actually plays the arcade games, not watered down NES versions that somehow don't run as well as they did on an NES. I have the Legends Gamer Pro, and while it's probably too complicated for its intended audience (there's leaderboards and internet wifi and an online store and who the hell wants all this when they just want to play old arcade games?), it's a far superior experience to the crappy breadbox Genesis Flashbacks and AtGames Blast consoles the company used to sell. The games play well enough and look good enough with a little tweaking, and there's always CoinOpsX if you want to add more of them.

The size of the Gamer Pro is an issue, but nobody said you had to use the giganto controller that came with it... it quite readily accepts both USB and Bluetooth controllers for other systems. A better solution for your arcade cravings would be an old desktop computer running Batocera or RecalBox (and I've done this too), but if you want that hunger satisfied right away and you don't want to pay a lot or work too hard for it, the Legends console is a viable option.

 
The real question is if you want the arcade controls or not. It is going to cost you more to get any type of setup like this on your own, so if you want that you're getting it affordably with solid build quality. If you don't want that, then yeah there's absolutely no reason to get this. You shouldn't be getting any of these AtGames products for the emulation, heck I have an Optiplex or two just laying around. This is for giving yourself an affordable arcade experience, not for the emulation, however with Coinops I've found the navigation and the like to much much more pleasant than my experience with Rasperry Pi images which can be a real pain to configure and navigate.
I don’t have any of the smaller devices but the buttons on their stand up machines are just okay. They aren’t Sanwa and if you play fighters regularly you’ll want to switch them out ASAP.
 
I don’t have any of the smaller devices but the buttons on their stand up machines are just okay. They aren’t Sanwa and if you play fighters regularly you’ll want to switch them out ASAP.
Just ok compared to what though? I have 3 Arcade1Ups, it is vastly superior to those. Just ok compared to a something that costs much more? Obviously, yes. I would note that you can simply connect an external controller to it if you are playing something that you think is really demanding.

It's all relative to the price point and I haven't seen anything in this price point that compares. It obviously doesn't compare to much more expensive stuff, but it's also nothing at all like the Arcade1Ups where the first thing you had to do was basically gut the entire thing. Plenty of people happily enjoy the AtGames Legends Ultimate as is, including myself, but to reiterate obviously it doesn't compare to anything higher end.

I was all set up to mod my Street Fighter Arcade1UP when I managed to score the ALU for about what it would have cost me in supplies alone to mod the Arcade1Up. Obviously that was a good deal, but we're talking about something that retailed at $499 compared to something that retailed at $299, was uncomfortably small and still had to be gutted and equipped with enough stuff to rival the $499 price tag.

So, in this space, at these costs I don't see what else is really viable quality wise. Whether we're talking 499 for the full size (cheaper on Marketplace all the time), 100 for the pro or the 50 buck version. It's all relative but I have yet to see someone actually point to something else and go wait this is as affordable but better! Because, to my knowledge there isn't anything that does these things specifically that is. It's a good value buy but it is a value buy.

 
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The main "good value" is the variety of controls on the gamer pro.   If you are setting the controller aside and using another controller due to input lag... then you might as well just spend $120 on amazon for  complete raspberry pi 4 2gig kit that includes the case, & power supply.  There's also a pi 400 4gb kit that comes with a keyboard you can build it into.  You will have to upgrade the os from the 32bit version included to the 64bit version... but once everything is setup you are pretty much good and have a very portable arcade system to take to the friends house or just to play in various rooms of your own.

 
Anyone here have any experience with the 1up Infinity Game Table? My wife's aunt has a ton of points from some Vegas casino so she ordered one for us.

Just wondering if it's actually something cool or if it's just a $1,000 way to play digital Monopoly.

 
Just ok compared to what though? I have 3 Arcade1Ups, it is vastly superior to those.
Dear God. If A1UP uses worse buttons than AtGames I'm surprised the machine registers commands.

I think you nail it when you say it's a value buy. I do think IRcade's version 2 could be interesting.

 
Just ok compared to what though? I have 3 Arcade1Ups, it is vastly superior to those. Just ok compared to a something that costs much more? Obviously, yes. I would note that you can simply connect an external controller to it if you are playing something that you think is really demanding.

It's all relative to the price point and I haven't seen anything in this price point that compares. It obviously doesn't compare to much more expensive stuff, but it's also nothing at all like the Arcade1Ups where the first thing you had to do was basically gut the entire thing. Plenty of people happily enjoy the AtGames Legends Ultimate as is, including myself, but to reiterate obviously it doesn't compare to anything higher end.

I was all set up to mod my Street Fighter Arcade1UP when I managed to score the ALU for about what it would have cost me in supplies alone to mod the Arcade1Up. Obviously that was a good deal, but we're talking about something that retailed at $499 compared to something that retailed at $299, was uncomfortably small and still had to be gutted and equipped with enough stuff to rival the $499 price tag.

So, in this space, at these costs I don't see what else is really viable quality wise. Whether we're talking 499 for the full size (cheaper on Marketplace all the time), 100 for the pro or the 50 buck version. It's all relative but I have yet to see someone actually point to something else and go wait this is as affordable but better! Because, to my knowledge there isn't anything that does these things specifically that is. It's a good value buy but it is a value buy.
There’s not much value if they are constantly breaking. I will admit my 1.0 ALU has not given me problems. But the same repeatable problems multiple people are having with the pinball….again, it isn’t a good value if it don’t work.

It’s very simple. AtGames has outgrown their ability to support the products they’re selling. They did not expect these products to be as successful as they’ve been and they can’t keep up with customer support. This is compounded by the fact that the reason you are getting these products at this price is they are using cheap, crappy components that don’t last.

AtGames has become a company with great ideas which are poorly executed.

 
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There’s not much value if they are constantly breaking. I will admit my 1.0 ALU has not given me problems. But the same repeatable problems multiple people are having with the pinball….again, it isn’t a good value if it don’t work.

It’s very simple. AtGames has outgrown their ability to support the products they’re selling. They did not expect these products to be as successful as they’ve been and they can’t keep up with customer support. This is compounded by the fact that the reason you are getting these products at this price is they are using cheap, crappy components that don’t last.

AtGames has become a company with great ideas which are poorly executed.
We might be seeing AtGames revert to their previous level of quality control, since the ALU products seemed to be their high water mark for quality. Someone asked about ALU compared to Arcade1Ups, just compare the spinner for christs sake. The ALU one was just way, way better, while the Arcade1Up was barely playable piece of junk. With the Arcade1Up stuff you had to replace everything from the get go if you wanted anything decent, the ALU really was surprisingly well done. Heck just the cab itself is so much better. The only area where Arcade1Up competed at all, and actually came out ahead was the art, otherwise it was just worse in every way. People do realize that Arcade1Up shipped their first generations with artwork that rubbed off when you used them right?

I can't speak for the pinball because I don't own it, but in some cases we're clearly seeing enthusiasts with unrealistic expectations (you can't expect a 500 dollar machine to behave like a 1,500 dollar one). In the case of the regular ALU, it was basically priced at the bottom of the market without having the worse quality. The pinball is a couple hundred dollars more and if AtGames slipped up at all on the quality then that obviously completely changes the math.

The regular ALU's arcades though are remarkable buys for what you get. Arcade1Up basically created a new space, which was an affordable facsimile of an arcade machine in home, they just did a very poor job of it (so poor in fact that I passed up multiple ones at 75 bucks). AtGames actually managed to come into the space and make something that was vastly superior, and I as much as anyone was surprised given how bad almost everything they've made in the past was. However, vastly superior to Arcade1up and in my opinion better than some nonsense cobbled together from a Rasperry Pi does not mean it can compete with high or even mid range stuff in the scene.

 
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I can't speak for the pinball because I don't own it, but in some cases we're clearly seeing enthusiasts with unrealistic expectations (you can't expect a 500 dollar machine to behave like a 1,500 dollar one). In the case of the regular ALU, it was basically priced at the bottom of the market without having the worse quality. The pinball is a couple hundred dollars more and if AtGames slipped up at all on the quality then that obviously completely changes the math.
I think this is the key right here. I have a Legends Arcade, Pinball and Mini. My old place of employment had 4 A1U machines, for comparison. I also own an original Missile Command and used to have a Lethal Weapon 3 pin, just to throw the real deal in the works, and I'm also very familiar with "pro" level MAME cabs and conversions.

@Games and A1U are high end toys. I'm not saying that as an insult. That's what they are trying to be. In my experience, the A1U stuff is too flimsy and the @Games is a sweet spot between toy and pro and the respective prices. Someone complaining about a Game Mini not playing MKII or whatever correctly is kind of ridiculous to me as the fact that it can play it at all is a bonus feature, not something they are advertising or guaranteeing. It plays the games it's designed to play and it doesn't feel like I'm going to snap it in half. And, if I want better performance, I can plug in my RetroPi and ignore the whole @Games thing entirely.

As for the pinball, I've had issues too, mostly dealing with the exciters. I still am not happy with the performance and may do the replacement mod many others have done. But I've installed the VIBS board, used it with a PC/OTG mode, had no issues. Again, I see that as bonus, not as a main feature. However, I'll admit I may be willing to cut them more slack on the pinball. I was pricing these and looking into making my own when preorders went up. Frankly, I didn't expect to get a VPin worth half a shit at all at the price they offered. I'd pretty much resigned myself to spending twice as much, so maybe I'm willing to tolerate a little more.

FWIW, on the Gamer Pro and Mini, I think the controllers are plenty fine. I own an XArcade Tank Stick for comparison and while that is much higher quality, it's also not Bluetooth, wireless or $50/$100 at the moment. You could always get one, toss the @Games puck and use a RetroPi instead and really be in business, if you wanted.

Anyway, I know these things aren't cheap per se, but you have to put it in perspective as to what a "pro" version would run you, especially with the pin. I understand the frustrations others have and I'll admit I can be a pretty patient guy, so take my opinion with that in mind. But if you're expecting 100% perfect arcade quality with zero cut corners at the prices they are asking, good luck.

 
Anyone here have any experience with the 1up Infinity Game Table? My wife's aunt has a ton of points from some Vegas casino so she ordered one for us.

Just wondering if it's actually something cool or if it's just a $1,000 way to play digital Monopoly.
I'd say the latter. I don't own one, but was interested enough to do a lot of research. If Monopoly and other "Classic" games are what you're mostly interested in then you'll get it and it'll tease you into a couple newer things as well. But if you're looking for access to bigger collection of more modern games, they just aren't there yet.
 
In my experience for button and stick quality I'd put them in this order: A1up street fighter cocktail < gen 3 marvel countercade < replicade tiny sf2 fightstick < tankstick
 
Guys I can tell you as an owner of multiple AtGames products, they are trash. I own a legends ultimate, legends pinball and gamer pro. I am a complete and total idiot. Had the Tetris mini on preorder and finally had the sense to cancel it.

The gamer pro is buggy as hell. Pinball machine has so many issues can’t even tell. Control panel joystick will just randomly stop working. If you touch the machine and discharge even a tiny but of static electricity all the screens flash. And recently the hdmi otg signal is dropping every couple minutes making otg play unusable. All of these problems have been discussed by multiple people on the FB groups (not the official group because AtGames will just delete the post).

Been waiting for a week from an answer from customer service about the pinball hdmi issue. No response. Just going to turn it into a pc pinball machine and forgo the AtGames hardware.

Run as far away from these products as you possibly can.
I thought people like AtGames more than Arcade1Up? What's with all the hate now?
 
I thought people like AtGames more than Arcade1Up? What's with all the hate now?
I don’t hate them. Their ideas are very very good. They just use cheap crappy parts that are failing constantly. Their firmware updates break more things than they fix. And their customer support is an effing nightmare.

Great ideas, poorly executed.

 
I thought people like AtGames more than Arcade1Up? What's with all the hate now?
I think the general consensus is still AtGames is better than A1UP... except maybe when it comes to the cab artwork as A1UP is nicer. Both are pretty much toy level arcade gaming... so there are going to be some negatives and it's good if people know this before throwing $$ at them.

 
Finally - New Wave Toys has Dragon's Lair an DC Space Ace up for preorder. Shame there is no double pack deal, and separate shipping, but still great news for those who missed out on the 5 minute window.
 
I thought people like AtGames more than Arcade1Up? What's with all the hate now?
You get what you pay for.

For some that's a great product and for others they are left wanting. For instance if you're into fighting games and you want a tournament ready machine neither A1Up or AtGames can offer you that. That's a tough pill for your average consumer, to hear a 600 dollar machine uses bottom dollar buttons.

For me I just play the occasional arcade game and my Tetris AtGames machine lets me do that. Was that worth 400 dollars? Absolutely not. I could have played those games on a toaster. I think of these things as functional art and for that they are worth it.

Edit: I wouldn't doubt that A1Up regrets marketing these as toys first. I think they severely regret the small machine/riser combo. They are trying to rectify a lot of that with the XL/Pro series.

 
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Give me a Time Crisis cab with more that just one game and I might be in. Give me a Time Crisis/Point Blank cab with multiple games and you can take my money. (But please, put a bigger monitor in there. The T2 just looks sad with that 17”.)
 
Picked up Mortal Kombat via the $250 WalMart deal.  Planning to convert it with a Raspberry Pi and upgrade the buttons while I'm at it. 

That NFL Blitz leak is tempting even in spite of that,  though...

 
Gamefly for a brief time today, leaked potential unannounced Arcade1Up cabinets slated for the latter half of this year. The placeholder product pages on the website are gone now, but a user on the A1U subreddit took snapshots of the listings. According to the leak, we can potentially look forward to:

Marvel vs Capcom 2 - 10/15/22

Time Crisis - 10/15/22

NFL Blitz - 11/15/22

https://www.reddit.com/r/Arcade1Up/comments/tfj8r2/time_crisis_nfl_blitz_and_marvel_vs_capcom_2_in/
Hopefully this means a step forward with whatever licensing shenanigans are holding up MvC2 (AKA the best fighting game of all time) from being legally purchasable in any form anywhere.

 
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Gamefly for a brief time today, leaked potential unannounced Arcade1Up cabinets slated for the latter half of this year. The placeholder product pages on the website are gone now, but a user on the A1U subreddit took snapshots of the listings. According to the leak, we can potentially look forward to:

Marvel vs Capcom 2 - 10/15/22

Time Crisis - 10/15/22

NFL Blitz - 11/15/22

https://www.reddit.com/r/Arcade1Up/comments/tfj8r2/time_crisis_nfl_blitz_and_marvel_vs_capcom_2_in/
Oh shit. A Time Crisis cab would be REALLY hard to pass up on 8-[

 
I was thinking it'd be two player like the Buck Hunter and T2 cabs. If it's single player only, that would be a lot easier to pass up on
You guys realize Time Crisis has a duck and cover mechanic right? How would you do that 2 player on a single screen? Time Crisis 2 on PS2 had a 2-player mode where it split the screen. Imagine the screen size that would result on a 17" Arcade1up. I'm good with Time Crisis being single player only, and make that an option to link two cabinets if you want.

 
You guys realize Time Crisis has a duck and cover mechanic right? How would you do that 2 player on a single screen? Time Crisis 2 on PS2 had a 2-player mode where it split the screen. Imagine the screen size that would result on a 17" Arcade1up. I'm good with Time Crisis being single player only, and make that an option to link two cabinets if you want.
I'm hoping it'll be two players with a button on the gun for duck and cover. You're right though, it'd have to split screen to do it. Joining two cabs would work better but I wouldn't pay $800 each for them. I'd hope for finding a clearance deal. The most I've spent on an A1UP cab so far was $175 for my TMNT. I'm a cheap bastard.

Well at least this discussion has probably saved my wallet some stress.

 
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fuck. MvC2 is a insta-buy if it's a true port and Time Crisis would be extremely hard to pass up since I could mod that cab with a ton of light gun games. TC2, Carnevil, House of the Dead. . .wow.

 
Time Crisis is not even 2 player so I'm not sure why you all are talking about that.  Parts 2+ were 2 player, but those required a cabinet per person.  Crisis Zone was also only single player.

Real Time Crisis cabinets can be found cheaper than $800.  It's not a very desirable game because the cabinet is large and non standard.  Same with Crisis Zone.  The actual guns on the cabs are very expensive though, like $200+ a piece for working ones, because they simply go bad due to the wear and tear of the solenoid in it,

I have Time Crisis (with pedal) in my multi light gun JAMMA cab.  Time Crisis is also not JAMMA so again, non standard. I had to build a harness to convert it to JAMMA.

As far as $ goes, if anyone is interested, I paid around $135 shipped like a year+ agao for my Time Crisis PCB set and pedal.  The PCB set is HEAVY too.  It is 4 big boards inside of this metal cage and also has a fan attached to it.  The pedal isn't light either.  Then I had the fun project of making the JAMMA adapter.  I'd say I was like when all said and done I was probably like around $175 in to make it plug/play in my cabinet.

 
Time Crisis is not even 2 player so I'm not sure why you all are talking about that. Parts 2+ were 2 player, but those required a cabinet per person. Crisis Zone was also only single player.

Real Time Crisis cabinets can be found cheaper than $800. It's not a very desirable game because the cabinet is large and non standard. Same with Crisis Zone. The actual guns on the cabs are very expensive though, like $200+ a piece for working ones, because they simply go bad due to the wear and tear of the solenoid in it,

I have Time Crisis (with pedal) in my multi light gun JAMMA cab. Time Crisis is also not JAMMA so again, non standard. I had to build a harness to convert it to JAMMA.

As far as $ goes, if anyone is interested, I paid around $135 shipped like a year+ agao for my Time Crisis PCB set and pedal. The PCB set is HEAVY too. It is 4 big boards inside of this metal cage and also has a fan attached to it. The pedal isn't light either. Then I had the fun project of making the JAMMA adapter. I'd say I was like when all said and done I was probably like around $175 in to make it plug/play in my cabinet.
damn, it's been way too long since i've played time crisis. just need time crisis 2-5 and the silent scope series.

 
damn, it's been way too long since i've played time crisis. just need time crisis 2-5 and the silent scope series.
I find the Time Crisis games fun because it's basically always a speed run and it goes by pretty quick. A lot of the other light gun games are just shoot stuff and progress. But the time factor helps replayability big time.

 
I find the Time Crisis games fun because it's basically always a speed run and it goes by pretty quick. A lot of the other light gun games are just shoot stuff and progress. But the time factor helps replayability big time.
Time Crisis is the main reason i bought a ps3. Was hoping for point blank as well. Should have just released them all on the Wii.

 
Time Crisis is the main reason i bought a ps3. Was hoping for point blank as well. Should have just released them all on the Wii.
I haven't found a Point Blank board yet for my setup. If I find a deal on one I will snag it. That is another one that I believe isn't JAMMA by default and would require an adapter harness for me to get it working in JAMMA.

 
I'd buy NFL Blitz unless it's censored (like late hits taken out, Redskins removed) or missing many licensed player names.

 
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A1U mostly solved that problem in NBA Jam with the license from the NBRPA, National Basketball Retired Players Association. Surely there's similar resources for retired NFL players that'll license names. If it's a few missing names, that's acceptable. If it's all generic names, no thanks.

 
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A1U mostly solved that problem in NBA Jam with the license from the NBRPA, National Basketball Retired Players Association. Surely there's similar resources for retired NFL players that'll license names. If it's a few missing names, that's acceptable. If it's all generic names, no thanks.
i doubt the nfl will allow them to use the redskins name though

 
i doubt the nfl will allow them to use the redskins name though
So many wussies these days. I miss the 80s and 90s where we could say and do most anything and nobody was offended and we all just laughed about everything together. There are lots of old movies from then that couldnt be made today because the Karens of the world would shut that company down. SMDH

 
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So many pussies these days. I miss the 80s and 90s where we could say and do most anything and nobody was offended and we all just laughed about everything together. There are lots of old movies from then that couldnt be made today because the Karens of the world would shut that company down. SMDH
There's no money to be made off everyone getting along. Deliberately stirring shit up is an industry that people have made entire careers out of (cough, al sharpton, cough).

Also, media (especially social) completely drives this narrative and overblows the hell out of it in my opinion. Once you turn off the tv and shut the computer, people in real life (for the most part) tend to be far more normal and far less uptight than you would be lead to believe. My experience at least and obviously YMMV.
 
So many wussies these days. I miss the 80s and 90s where we could say and do most anything and nobody was offended and we all just laughed about everything together. There are lots of old movies from then that couldnt be made today because the Karens of the world would shut that company down. SMDH
Yeah, it was awesome when the majority could insult minorities, degrade their ancestry and/or personal feelings and just in general be a jerk and people would just have to suck it up and smile back and laugh uncomfortably because they knew it would only get worse for them if if they asked them to not be an asshole. They weren't laughing together. That feeling that you cannot just say what you want without consequences? Yeah, that's how they felt back then.

 
Yeah, it was awesome when the majority could insult minorities, degrade their ancestry and/or personal feelings and just in general be a jerk and people would just have to suck it up and smile back and laugh uncomfortably because they knew it would only get worse for them if if they asked them to not be an asshole. They weren't laughing together. That feeling that you cannot just say what you want without consequences? Yeah, that's how they felt back then.
Yeah and now you have to be a biologist to figure out what a woman is.
It's the Tocqueville effect by the way.

 
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Yeah and now you have to be a biologist to figure out what a woman is.
Nope. You just need to stress about it every time you talk to another guy. They could be a woman like Ted Cruz.

In reality though, you just let people live their lives. None of that has anything to do with you despite what a certain cable channel may say.

 
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