The Killer Kowalski Memorial (and George Steele) Wrestling Thread

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Oh yeah, "Manu." Thanks, CD.

And is WWE rewarding us for the Triple H win?

I will cream myself if... nah, they won't be so generous. But if they are...

*gets napkins*
 
I'll go nuts if two of my favorite wrestlers (Matt Hardy and Jericho) both win World Titles tonight. Even though Matt's barely counts :lol:
 
The SD title ending makes even less sense because there is a big ass countdown on the titantron. I didn't know that.
 
Hahahah that creepy look he gives when hugging the title is priceless! Oh shit, maybe he's the leader of the Orton group?! Just kidding.
 
[quote name='Purple Flames']Hell yeah!

This'll proably lead to a Punk/Jericho "I never lost the title" storyline.[/QUOTE]

Worked for HBK/Razor.

CM Punk/Chris Jericho ladder match, anyone?

[quote name='Matt Young']I can't wait for a gif of Batista's reaction.[/QUOTE]

:rofl:
 
Awesome, Jericho is champ. I'm glad he ditched the dumb assclown stuff. The new Jericho is just superior in every way. I didn't see that coming at all.

What's the deal with Punk? Did he get suspended or something?
 
[quote name='Purple Flames']Hell yeah!

This'll proably lead to a Punk/Jericho "I never lost the title" storyline.[/QUOTE]

Don't forget Randy in the mix also.
 
Well, now the Sept. 22nd Raw main event that they have been promoting in the area makes sense now(it's being held in Cincy). The main event for that night is being advertised as Batista & CM Punk vs. JBL & Jericho. So I guess it'll either be a fatal 4 way match at No Mercy or JBL & Batista will be in another feud.
 
As awesome as this has turned out to be, I'm just curious as to what happened with Punk. I mean, that's a pretty weird decision to make, unless they're going to completely and totally give up on the guy.

It's just... weird. Why do it, unless there's an actual reason?
 
[quote name='cdeener']Don't forget Randy in the mix also.[/QUOTE]
I could see a CM Punk VS Jericho main event being interupted and destroyed by Orton and associates.
 
[quote name='TheRock88']Wait, so what happened? How did Jericho get into the scramble?[/QUOTE]

[quote name='Blackout']Awesome, Jericho is champ. I'm glad he ditched the dumb assclown stuff. The new Jericho is just superior in every way. I didn't see that coming at all.

What's the deal with Punk? Did he get suspended or something?[/QUOTE]

CM Punk got his ass whipped by Orton, Rhodes, Manu, & Dibiasie backstage when he was doing an interview for the Scramble match. So, he was uneligible for the match so whoever won was going to be champ. Funny thing is Adamle came out and stated CM Punk might not be in the match but never stated who was going to replace him.
 
[quote name='007']As awesome as this has turned out to be, I'm just curious as to what happened with Punk. I mean, that's a pretty weird decision to make, unless they're going to completely and totally give up on the guy.

It's just... weird. Why do it, unless there's an actual reason?[/quote]


It's just a reward for
having us endure Triple H's title retention earlier in the night
. ;)
 
[quote name='PhrostByte']Wow everyone is going all orgasmo over that... guess I'll have to dl and take a look![/QUOTE]

It really wasn't that dramatic. It is just that Jericho basically for the last five minutes stayed outside the ring and then got the pin with just seconds remaining when Batistia thought he had it locked up.

Just in case you rather see it then read it.
 
[quote name='tangytangerine']Well, now the Sept. 22nd Raw main event that they have been promoting in the area makes sense now(it's being held in Cincy). The main event for that night is being advertised as Batista & CM Punk vs. JBL & Jericho. So I guess it'll either be a fatal 4 way match at No Mercy or JBL & Batista will be in another feud.[/QUOTE]

I have to assume at this point that'll be the dark main event we're getting here at the September 29th RAW. Wow...... I just realized that I get to see Jericho as champ now at a live event - and ya'll be seeing *ME* on your TVs at home! :D
 
[quote name='007']As awesome as this has turned out to be, I'm just curious as to what happened with Punk. I mean, that's a pretty weird decision to make, unless they're going to completely and totally give up on the guy.

It's just... weird. Why do it, unless there's an actual reason?[/QUOTE]

I'll take a wait and see approach. If they give up on Punk, he'll lose a title match on Raw tomorrow or next Monday and that'll be it.
 
An Orton stable would be pretty cool. I'm kinda iffy on Orton, and Cody Rhodes should not even be on t.v., but that other guy is pretty good. I wish stables would make a return so that would be cool to watch if they came back.

I really liked the Scramble match. They need to do more of them.
 
[quote name='Blackout']
I really liked the Scramble match. They need to do more of them.[/QUOTE]
Yea I propose they make it an annual match by making it the Survivor Series' main event. The past few SS had the champions stuck in the elimination tags that don't really do anything storyline wise and the scramble match does have a survivor theme going for it.
 
[quote name='007']As awesome as this has turned out to be, I'm just curious as to what happened with Punk. I mean, that's a pretty weird decision to make, unless they're going to completely and totally give up on the guy.

It's just... weird. Why do it, unless there's an actual reason?[/QUOTE]

This is the perfect setup for a Jericho/Punk fued.

Have CM Punk come out all pissed that they had the match without him and have Jericho point out the fact that despite going through a brutal match with HBK, he still came out and not only wrestled but won the title.

Have the rematch interrupted by Cade/Priceless which leads to a chase until CM Punk gets the title back.
 
I support your idea, Courageous. Someone telegraph it to WWE.

Edit: So, who is Punk going to feud with? Jericho and Orton? What about Orton? His character would certainly target the World champion (Jericho). This is interesting, which is good.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']I'll take a wait and see approach. If they give up on Punk, he'll lose a title match on Raw tomorrow or next Monday and that'll be it.[/quote]

I guess it really depends on how long they have him sell the kick-o-doom for. It's just... it's one thing for him to lose the title, but another entirely to be pulled from a match at a PPV and, essentially, be stripped of the title.

If it *is* all storyline, I'd be pissed if I were Punk. It's bothersome since Punk still doesn't seem to 'fit' in the Raw main event scene. I saw this as his opportunity to really step up and be recognized as a genuine member of the title picture. I really do think that, in a lot of ways, this killed his credibility entirely, since he never really had any going into it.
 
I feel like the group is going to turn on Orton in favor of Jericho, his methodology seems much more inline with Rhodes and Holly than Ortons. Then Orton and Batista can resume their Bromance as tweeners
 
fucking bullshit. Jericho showed fuck-all for injuries after he got in the ring and Punk, the champ who was supposed to be defending IN THE MAIN EVENT wasn't even live in the arena all night.
Yes, even though Jericho deserves to be champ, I'm slightly pissed at how it went down.
 
CM Punk didn't wrestle at Unforgiven last night so he could sell his backstage injury storyline involving Randy Orton. He's not actually injured, it was a creative team decision. He will be at RAW tonight.
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But Jericho didn't need to sell the massive beating he took anymore than he did, I mean they were calling for trainers to come down to check on him after HBK punched him in the face for like a full minute. But I guess I'm arguing about continuity in pro-wrestling though.
 
[quote name='Mr. Beef']Even though he's injured, ya'll are forgetting one potential monkey wrench:
John Cena.
[/quote]


I think Jericho deserves a better person to feud with. John Cena can cut good promos and is a good personality, but he's not the right personality for Jericho.

Plus, I would rather not see Cena do a Superman and kill Jericho's credibility as a monster heel.

[quote name='diddy310']I feel like the group is going to turn on Orton in favor of Jericho, his methodology seems much more inline with Rhodes and Holly than Ortons. Then Orton and Batista can resume their Bromance as tweeners[/quote]


Yes. I could definitely see Ted Jr., Afa Jr., and Cody Rhodes blindsiding Orton and aligning themselves with Jericho. I think they would be better off with Jericho than Orton as Jericho is fresh off a monster heel push in a great story against Shawn Michaels. Orton, while he did head-kick Punk, could play a tweener role just because some people will cheer for him regardless of his alignment. Plus, Orton has a better chance at getting cheers than Jericho.


[quote name='007']I guess it really depends on how long they have him sell the kick-o-doom for. It's just... it's one thing for him to lose the title, but another entirely to be pulled from a match at a PPV and, essentially, be stripped of the title.

If it *is* all storyline, I'd be pissed if I were Punk. It's bothersome since Punk still doesn't seem to 'fit' in the Raw main event scene. I saw this as his opportunity to really step up and be recognized as a genuine member of the title picture. I really do think that, in a lot of ways, this killed his credibility entirely, since he never really had any going into it.[/quote]


They have treated Punk rather terribly during his title reign. While shorter, the severity of the disrespect is as bad as -- if not, worse than -- Rey Jr.'s title reign.

I have no idea what Raw Creative was/is thinking. I figured they wanted to use Punk as the figurehead for their new kid-friendly marketing.

[quote name='Genocidal']fucking bullshit. Jericho showed fuck-all for injuries after he got in the ring and Punk, the champ who was supposed to be defending IN THE MAIN EVENT wasn't even live in the arena all night.
Yes, even though Jericho deserves to be champ, I'm slightly pissed at how it went down.[/quote]


I concur. I think Jericho has earned a World title reign due to his top-notch monster heel performance. Unfortunately, it came at the misfortune of CM Punk. Again, I have no idea what Raw Creative is thinking. CM Punk got less respect than MVP, who's supposedly in the dog house, as at least MVP wrestled on the PPV.

[quote name='cdubb1605']But Jericho didn't need to sell the massive beating he took anymore than he did, I mean they were calling for trainers to come down to check on him after HBK punched him in the face for like a full minute. But I guess I'm arguing about continuity in pro-wrestling though.[/quote]


I have a feeling this was an improvised decision made during the PPV. If they wanted to save CM Punk's WWE career, they would have had him pull a Cena, come out, and miraculously retain the title. Then, have Orton and Co. attack him.
 
I can totally see how people would be upset that Jericho seemingly won out of nowhere, especially at the expense of Punk. Maybe it will help to imagine that Jericho was not walking out to the ring with a stomach ache but rather he was clutching an invisible MiTB briefcase?

And where's that Batista reaction gif? :lol:
 
Hahaha... his reaction was certainly hilarious.
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Punk hasn't been treated anywhere near as badly as Rey, who was constantly buried by EVERYONE as world champion. Punk was at least allowed to beat JBL and Regal...and Batista by DQ.

While I'm not a fan of falsely advertising Punk for the Raw Scramble, I love the idea of sinister Jericho as world champion, and they found a good, logical way to get the belt off Punk. The way they did it built up Orton-Punk for the future, opens the door for HBK-Jericho to be for the world title (fitting, since it is the best feud in North America), and the choice of Jericho makes perfect sense as he was the last man to pin Punk. The effective swerve tonight also addressed my complaint of that Punk-Jericho match, with Jericho not demanding to be in the scramble despite pinning the champion.

THE Brian Kendrick being an interim champion is quite awesome, and while I was hoping that MVP would win, having Hardy not only become interim champion, but also come so close to winning the "official" title was a good way to build up a Hardy-HHH WWE Title match at No Mercy, which could possibly lead to Jeff vs. MVP being for the WWE Title if MVP's out of the doghouse by then.


Matt winning the ECW Title was expected, and was handled fairly well, as Mark Henry didn't look weak thanks to how well-booked the match was. Miz was easily the weakest link in this match, and I hope that this nixes any future plans in WWE to push him ahead of Morrison as a singles star. Striker referencing Jushin Lyger in this match was awesome, and I loved seeing Finlay get a temporary reign.
 
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I was at Unforgiven last night and hope to post some pics up soon. Anyway, I'm not sure how it looked on PPV, but live I felt everyone was fairly into it and it came across as a good show. The Jericho stuff might have screwed CM Punk, but in the arena it made for an interesting evening. There were rumors about not many tickets being sold, but there was a good crowd. Either a lot of free tickets or last minute sales if the rumors were true. The crowd was definitely into the event, more than I expected them to be.
 
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