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Hulk Hogan's Celebrity Wrestling certainly fulfilled that pre-requisite. In my book “Controversy Creates Cash” I discuss my “better than, less than, or different than” approach to creative strategy and solutions. This reality show hit on all eight cylinders by being different than any other wrestling show on television, and therefore in my own not-so humble opinion, “better than”. The wrestling ability of the cast and their performances improved so dramatically over the period of just a couple of weeks, that even the most cynical critics will be surprised. The effort that our production team as well as Jimmy, Brian, Brutus and Hulk, and a hundred others put into this effort really makes me very proud of the product.

It has also whet my appetite.

People continue to ask me if I will ever get back into the wrestling business in a competitive way. I ended “Controversy Creates Cash” with six words: “Probably Not, But Never Say Never”.

I’m glad I did.
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I want to see Bischoff in charge of TNA - as I know he'd fire Don West. Plus, he made WCW a direct competitor to WWE. Something TNA is not and will not be if their present direction is any indication. I also don't see Spike pulling a Time Warner and forcing strict limitations on Bischoff's style. However, Vince Russo and Eric Bischoff could turn into a recipe for disaster, and I'm not too sure how Jeff Jarrett would feel about giving Bischoff any creative power.
 
Ol' Spanky looks like he's taking cues from early solo Shawn Michaels and "Loose Cannon"-era Brian Pillman.

...if only he's a third as good as either of those two.
 
I always had an idea for something that I think would work in wrestling.

The wrestler that 'doesn't get it.'

Doesn't get the concept behind professional wrestling. Doesn't understand why wrestlers cut promos. Doesn't understand how people get away with cheating. Wonders why the wrestlers never seem to notice the cameras when they're plotting stuff backstage. Calls the police when someone gets hit with a chair and then doesn't understand why the police hang up on him.

That's a winning gimmick right there.

Anyway, you know that game we play every Pay Per View? It's 9th birthday is Sunday and we're giving away free books and DVDs.
http://www.stablewars.com/ppv/registration.php?fed=WWE

Free to play, we don't spam your e-mail account (though if you win, you might want to make sure your notice doesn't end up in the junk mail folder like happened to our winner last month), it's really fun.
 
Can you blame Edge really? I mean, c'mon:

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Pretty fun show overall, with a few boring parts. Show dancing with Vickie was fantastic, I loved Show's match, as it further got over MVP's big boot, Kozlov's head battering ram, and allowed Kozlov to work a match with a big-name star. He showed weakness briefly by being unable to slam Show, but that didn't hurt him at all, and if they want to, they could do a Kozlov-Show or even MVP-Show PPV match off of this.

Kendrick's revamped look works well for him, and between the circa '92 HBK-style and Mick and J.R. constantly bringing up Kendrick reminding them and others of a younger, Attitude-Era HBK, it looks like they might be finally doing that HBKade gimmick that was rumored years ago, where Cade would do HBK's schtick, leading to a showdown between them - Kendrick's a better fit for it looks and style-wise, and has enough believable arrogance to pull this off if that where they're going with it.

Matt vs. Jeff was good - it was kept fairly short, with a non-finish that worked within the context of the night's events, and didn't feel like a total copout. I loved Mick and J.R. explaining just why Matt and Jeff would go all out tonight, with each man trying to not only show that they're the better man, but escape whatever shadow they're under with regards to the other brother.

Umaga-Kennedy impressed me, as both guys worked pretty hard, and damn did I ever love J.R. not only putting over the damage of the nerve hold, but listing off legendary names that used it effectively in an effort to get people behind the move as something to pay attention to instead of it being part of a match you can easily miss. The finish came off very well, as Kennedy was just one move away from winning, and would've won had Umaga not blocked the mic check and then drilled him with the thumb to the throat. I'm somewhat surprised they didn't announce MVP-Kennedy for the PPV since this match was setup as a result of that match being teased last week, but I guess they're saving that for Summerslam.

The Edge-Vickie stuff was hit or miss, which is what I expected since it was all over the show. It didn't get in the way of things too much, and I loved the fabulous video package that Edge made for Vickie, and also enjoyed concept behind Vickie getting Edge a Slim Jim commercial as a wedding gift (poor guy never did get that big Japanese shampoo commercial) - such a wacky gift, and yet, so perfect for this angle.

The show-closing deal dragged on a bit, but the payoff was worth it, with Edge looking like a deer in a headlights while Vickie yelled and screamed. Given the magnitude of the angle, I can't imaging them only getting one rushed PPV main event in Edge-HHH out of it, so I'd expect a stip match of some kind for Summerslam between Edge and Hunter to further make this seem like a big deal.

Quotes -
Chavo - Edge, you are like the brother I never had - you’re a perfect fit for the Guerrero family. You’ve got that wild side, but don’t worry Vickie, he won’t even turn off his cell phone because he might miss a call from you. You’ve got the greatest love of all - that’s the kind of thing they only have in movies, and I feel honored to watch it blossom and grow.
Edge - Finlay, I see you and your son blatantly cheating each week - Hawkins and Ryder are too smart to fall for that. I’ll tell you another person who’s too smart to fall for it - me! I’ll be right back, baby.
Foley - I can’t believe this - Hawkins and Ryder are wrestling in their street clothes. How indignant - a wrestler wrestling in street clothes!
J.R. - Imagine that.
Foley - This isn’t as nonsensical as it may seem - it’s not the first fight I’ve seen break out at a wedding.
Foley - Hawkins of course in the lavender cummerbund.
Foley - J.R., you’re doing a good job - without their names written on their ring attire, I can’t tell these guys apart.
(after a double butt drop from Finlay and Hornswoggle)Foley - ME SO HORNY!
Foley - Spear by the groom.
J.R. - Referee groom.
Foley - Not since Charles and Diana has a wedding captured the public’s attention like this.
(Show dances with Vickie)Edge - CUT THE MUSIC! YOU KNOW WHAT?! I DON’T BLAME YOU FOR WANTING TO DANCE WITH MY BRIDE, AND YOU KNOW YOU HAVE A MATCH COMING UP NEXT, BUT YOU DON’T KNOW WHO YOUR OPPONENTS ARE, SO WHY DON’T YOU GET YOUR BUTT DOWN TO THE RING AND FIND OUT NOW!
Foley - It’s Vickie Guerrero-Edge. I wonder if since they’re wedded, Edge can take on some GM responsibilities.
Foley - Tonight, shades of the Civil War - Matt Hardy versus Jeff Hardy.
Vickie - As everyone knows, it is wedding tradition…(fans boo) EXCUSE ME, THIS IS MY DAY! I HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY, PLEASE BE QUIET! It is wedding tradition… IT IS WEDDING TRADITION… HOW RUDE! IT IS WEDDING TRADITION TO GATHER ALL OF THE ELIBIBLE BACHELORETTES AND SEE WHO CAN CATCH THE WEDDING BOUQET! EXCUSE ME!
(after Cherry is attacked and covered)Vickie - YOUR WINNER, THE BRIDE!
J.R. - That large man with Kendrick is named Ezekial. I’m not sure what their relationship is, but I’m sure we’ll find out more over time.
Foley - I think it’s safe to say that he’s a trusted advisor now.
Foley - It’s about time Kendrick lost those horrible shorts.
Foley - In my dealings with him, he’s always been a jerk - I think we’re seeing a truer version of Brian Kendrick.
J.R. - One of the veterans told me that Kendrick reminds them of HBK during the Attitude era.
Foley - Kendrick with some leopard skin attire - like Mick Foley there.
Kennedy - I MAY BE FROM GREEN BAY, WISCONSIN, BUT TONIGHT, WE’RE KICKING IT IN NORTH CACILAKI! I AM MISTERRRRRR…..(crowd says “Kennedy!)COME ON I KNOW YOU CAN DO BETTER THAN THAT! KENEEDDDDDYYYY! KKKENNNEEDDYYYY!
Foley - Burger King - Have it your way, YEAH!
Foley - I can’t believe how Kennedy was pandering to our fans, right here, in North Carolina!
J.R. - Can you imagine that? Pandering!
J.R. - Kennedy’s trying to man up and stay vertical, while Umaga’s down on one knee!
Foley - HE’S DOWN ON ONE KNEE!
Foley - You don’t think that Umaga’s upset he wasn’t invited to the wedding party?
J.R. - I have no idea - I haven’t seen his sensitive side yet.
J.R. - Umaga using the nerve hold, just like men like Gorilla Monsoon.
Foley - As I understand it, Vickie’s wedding gift to Edge was letting him become the spokesman for Slim Jim.
Foley - I’ve hitched a ride on the biscuits and gravy train!
J.R. - Can you imagine like Brangelina if Edge and Vickie had children how much the photos would go for?
Foley - The sky’s the limits for them.
J.R. - And don’t think they wouldn’t sell those photos, either.
Foley - Festus is like the Incredible Hulk - transforming into a different human being.
J.R. - Only he isn’t green.
J.R. - Can you imagine the celebration at the trailer park if Jesse and Festus won the tag titles?
Foley - I think you’re making a bit of an assumption there..
J.R. - Double-wide, with air conditioning.
J.R. - Morrison reminds me of the late Ravishing Rick Rude, with the amazing physique.
Foley - Yes, the abs are definitely a part of the Rude and Morrison physique.
Foley - When you take the subject of the Miz out of a conversation with the Miz, there isn’t much left.
(Festus hicks up)Foley - THE RAILS HAVE COME OFF THE GRAVY TRAIN!
J.R. - Brother versus brother - this could be a crash and burnathon if Vickie and Edge have teir way.
J.R. - One of the greatest U.S. champions ever, Roddy Piper, competed here in North Carolina many times.
Foley - I talked with another great U.S. champion, Magnum T.A., was backstage today.
Foley - Hawkins and Ryder had a little trouser trouble earlier.
J.R. - I hadn’t noticed that.
Foley - The Hardys are in their backyard - they growed up, grew up here in North Carolina.
J.R. - Jeff Hardy skins the cat like the legendary Ricky “the Dragon” Steamboat.
Edge - They say that your wedding day is the happiest day of your life, and up until now, I never really understood that. But now, now I can vouch for that - NOW I UNDERSTAND! Words cannot express how much I love you. I love you from the bottom of my heart! You know, I can’t show you physically, at least not right now, but I can show you another way. I’ve had the great SmackDown production team put together a little package - they haven’t even slept, just so I could present this to you. (package airs, HHH comes out)
HHH - I can tell by the looks on your faces that you’re not happy to see me out here - that’s understandable, and I’ll be the first to admit that I have a…reputation for these weddings, but I can promise you this - I am NOT out here to tell you that I’m secretly married to Vickie. I’m here for the same reason everyone else is here for - we’re here to celebrate true love! (fans boo) The true love that you feel for each other, it just warms my heart, and with that in mind, I’ve brought some gifts to show you how I feel. I know you just showed a very impressive video, Edge, and while I didn’t have the time that you had to make that, I have made one of my own, and I do feel that my video is special in its own way and I think it truly, just expresses the love Edge that you feel for Vickie. Let’s take a look at “True Love”. (video airs of Edge and the wedding planner) Hang on, Edge isn’t pleased. I’m sorry, I should’ve looked at it first - the wedding planning part is boring, let’s get to the good stuff.
Edge - What are you wearing? It’s like angels harmonizing on a winter’s morning.
Planner - I’m not wearing anything…thank you.
Edge - Oooh, my trap…it locks up. It does. Could you just… it’s locked.
Planner - I think it’s getting looser…
Edge - Actually, I think it’s getting stiffer.
Edge - Honey, you know I have a bad neck - it tightens up, I get knots.
HHH - Vickie, that’s a personally reasonable explanation - lots of guys bring women up to their rooms and get massages when their wives aren’t around - it means nothing.
Edge - I’M SICK OF THIS, GUYS, GET THIS!
HHH - This leads me to gift number 2, It’s 1 size fits all and there’s plenty for all of ya (sledgehammer is pulled out) No? Okay then, “True Love”.
Edge - There’s a knot there - I could really get to it if you…weren’t wearing a bra.
Edge - I went to Frederick’s to get some stuff for Vickie, and they said they didn’t have anything in her size, so they sent me to some place called Lane Bryant, and it takes a lot of material for that stuff…
HHH - This is awkward… I feel a little uncomfortable. I’m embarrassed. I didn’t watch this before I made it, and, you know, this part just completely kills gift number 3 (he pulls out giant panties) I guess you won’t be needing these since Edge has ya covered. Hell, I can always park my car under it. Anyway, let’s cut to the chase, okay here folks. Let’s get to the final chapter of this… love saga. Once again, “True Love”. (Edge is shown kissing the wedding planner)
Vickie - I HATE YOU! I HATTTEEE YOUUUUUUU!! AHAAAAHHHHHHHH! I HATE YOU!!!! NOOOOOO! MY WEDDDDIINNNNNGGGG! I HATTTEEEEEE YOUUUUUUU!!!

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[quote name='JaytheGamefan']TNA's done this for eons and it's always been annoying - it's especially bad when it's done right after things that SHOULD mean something, like guys being border tossed into walls, or Team 3D's NWA World Tag title reign, which was built up since the day they entered the company, and was sacrificed for a TNA TO THE BACK backstage segment.

Thanks for the happy b-day stuff, guys.[/quote]

Wow. It totally kills any build up or heat for guys because they cut to some backstage interview or segment that is supposed to be "funny" but bombs terribly.
 
Yeah, it's pretty stupid, especially when it's done on PPV, where the matches are SUPPOSED to be the focus, but instead, they cut away from them for one of seemingly a million skits per show. It's become a running gag on the Figure 4 Weekly newsletter and board over the years, with soundbytes of Tenay saying "TO THE BACK!" being especially popular and great in number. There's also an archive there of the newsletter's writer and his friend's rants on TNA over the past two years - I believe they're up to volume 50! already.
 
The skits are terrible too. They don't even make me interested in the matches.
 
I thought this was a terrible Smackdown. The only highlight was getting an hour and 45 minutes with no HHH, although in his defense sadly enough his segment at the end was actually the only part of the show worth watching. The only thing close to a decent match was Umaga and Kennedy. I just can't stand Umaga's matches though they are soooo boring and his finisher is the worst in the WWE. I'm supposed to believe that hitting someone with a very lightly taped thumb is going to knock someone out? Come on. I can suspend my belief, but that not that much.
 
[quote name='-Never4ever-']why the hell is CM Punk looking at a world title that has Taker's name on it in that one pic??[/QUOTE]

That's been shown for about a week to hype up the Bash, and it's created a bit of debate among DVDVR boardgoers as to whether or not it's a sign that WWE planned for Punk's reign dating back to 'Taker's, and used his belt for the promo vid, or if they just didn't bother to slap a CM Punk nameplate (or even just take the plate off) the belt for the promo video shoot. I would think that if they'd planned it out that far in advance, they would've also shot some pre-match graphics with Punk holding it on his shoulder, instead of the horribly fake-looking one they have now with the belt just superimposed over Punk's shoulder.

SmackDown did well - oh yes -
--We don't have the actual Smackdown rating yet, but prelim indications based on fast nationals were there were 680,000 more viewers last night than the prior week and they were up 20% in 18-49 demo, being the highest rated show on television lasat night in the demo. Some of that increase from last week is New York airing in its regular slot, but most is the wedding, which at least in WWE, always draws. The New York preemption last week probably explains the week delay because doing it on a week New York isn't airing in its normal slot would squander a likely higher than average number. Final angle draw more viewers than most segments on Raw on Monday. It should be the highest rated Smackdown in a while.
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Dammit. I really don't want the highest rated SD in a long time to be one like that.

I hate face Kennedy. He played to the crowd like a damn puppet. "North Cackalacky" fucking dork.
 
Kennedy is an anti-hero. WWE attempts to mold him into the next Steve Austin. Kennedy even walks like Austin but sans the head wobble. I would prefer it if Kennedy returned to his green theme. Black is so very boring.
 
[quote name='GTzerO']So how many guys have WWE groomed to be the next Rock or Stone Cold so far?[/quote]

Too many.

WWE's present pushed talent don't fit either mold. I assume they finally realized no one wants to see the same personality throughout their roster.
 
Too many. (haha!)

Rock and Austin worked because no one tried to force them to become top-tier stars. The fans kind of put them there themselves and both guys (especially Austin before the injuries piled up) had the wrestling chops to back it up.
 
[quote name='Halo05']Too many. (haha!)

Rock and Austin worked because no one tried to force them to become top-tier stars. The fans kind of put them there themselves and both guys (especially Austin before the injuries piled up) had the wrestling chops to back it up.[/quote]

Spot-on synopsis.

I'll just add that The Rock and Randy Orton do share one similarity: little dues paid for the amount of push they received upon first setting foot into the company.

And I still prefer the Hot Shot as Austin's finisher. :whistle2:#
 
Happy birthday Jay. :]

So, I downloaded ECW to catch the fat Chris Harris and he wasn't there. Was this last weeks show?
I downloaded RAW to catch London/Jericho or whatever it's supposed to be... haven't seen that yet..
Not really sure why I downloaded TNA.
 
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Another thing that happens so much in WWE is a hoss being pushed as some sort of unstoppable monster. How many of THOSE have their been in the top few years, and has it ever worked? I mean on it's own....obviously Taker and Kane worked but they had outside stuff to back them up.
 
[quote name='GTzerO']Another thing that happens so much in WWE is a hoss being pushed as some sort of unstoppable monster. How many of THOSE have their been in the top few years, and has it ever worked? I mean on it's own....obviously Taker and Kane worked but they had outside stuff to back them up.[/QUOTE]

What else are you suppose to do with big guys?
 
[quote name='GTzerO']Another thing that happens so much in WWE is a hoss being pushed as some sort of unstoppable monster. How many of THOSE have their been in the top few years, and has it ever worked? I mean on it's own....obviously Taker and Kane worked but they had outside stuff to back them up.[/quote]

The best example of that in recent memory is Brock Lesnar when he first debuted. He had the look and the attitude to come off as totally legit monster.
 
Quick question for anyone that's ever been to Nassau Coliseum: Are there usually taxis waiting outside of the venue after the show? I'd hate to get stranded there without a way to get back to the train station.
 
I'm so happy someone booed that damn standoff. I don't feel so alone now. The match was entertaining, but people kept getting up. Like, after everything. That bothers me for some reason. I mean, if after all of that these guys are still acting like it's the beginning of the match, then what was accomplished?

Also, at the end it seems like the referee didn't give a damn that the other guy was in the ring. Why wasn't it just a tornado tag?
 
[quote name='PhrostByte']Happy birthday Jay. :]

So, I downloaded ECW to catch the fat Chris Harris and he wasn't there. Was this last weeks show?
I downloaded RAW to catch London/Jericho or whatever it's supposed to be... haven't seen that yet..
Not really sure why I downloaded TNA.[/QUOTE]

Chris Harris in his debut? Yeah, that would be two weeks ago on ECW.

I recommend not watching it, he did pretty bad. He also apparently gained more weight then Mike Knox did before his re-debut, and apparently he makes it seem like he has the same condition that Raven did, with how much weight he's gained.

I also didn't like his gimmick name, music, or anything about him. I love Chris Harris, but "Brandon Walker" is not Chris Harris, it's just some random fat guy.
 
[quote name='chasemurata']Spot-on synopsis.

I'll just add that The Rock and Randy Orton do share one similarity: little dues paid for the amount of push they received upon first setting foot into the company.

And I still prefer the Hot Shot as Austin's finisher. :whistle2:#[/QUOTE]

That's the stun gun to you!

[quote name='PhrostByte']Happy birthday Jay. :]

So, I downloaded ECW to catch the fat Chris Harris and he wasn't there. Was this last weeks show?
I downloaded RAW to catch London/Jericho or whatever it's supposed to be... haven't seen that yet..
Not really sure why I downloaded TNA.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, it was 2 weeks ago. He debuted with a KNOCK KNOCK JOKE.

Harris: "Knock knock."
Armando: Who's there?"
Harris: "Braden Walker. And I'm going to smash your face in."

Something like that. Ugh.


Also, Legendkiller has the best sig ever.
 
[quote name='Matt Young']That's the stun gun to you!



Yeah, it was 2 weeks ago. He debuted with a KNOCK KNOCK JOKE.

Harris: "Knock knock."
Armando: Who's there?"
Harris: "Braden Walker. And I'm going to smash your face in."

Something like that. Ugh.


Also, Legendkiller has the best sig ever.
 
I wasn't a big fan of Chris Harris in TNA either. You would think the guy would be in shape if he's debuting for the top company in wrestling.
 
alright, well ive been gone all weekend hanging with the apparently now strictly trolling: shmitty.

watched SD. i liked the show for the most part. that last scene just ran way to long and took forever to reach its point. also im really surprised that the wwe is pulling out of the highest rated SD's on the same day as the dark knight opening.

GAB predictions:

Trips over Edge
Henry over Dreamer
Punk over Batista
Finlay/Horny over other guys
Cena over JBL
Jericho over HBK
Neidhart over McCool

*rumored matches*
Kofi over Cade
Hardy over Shelton

apparently those were announced but never put on the actual card so who knows.
 
[quote name='Matt Young']That's the stun gun to you!



Yeah, it was 2 weeks ago. He debuted with a KNOCK KNOCK JOKE.

Harris: "Knock knock."
Armando: Who's there?"
Harris: "Braden Walker. And I'm going to smash your face in."

Something like that. Ugh.


Also, Legendkiller has the best sig ever.
 
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