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mytouch 4g slide officially comes out July.. i hope it's still the estimated date of July 7.

It's so my next phone. $200 on contract, dual core 1.2 ghz chip, 768 mb of RAM, (if the rumored specs are correct) 16 gb of internal storage, and most importantly (to me) a slide out keyboard.
 
I used to be all about physical keyboards (have an LG Voyager currently), but I seldom text anymore so I don't care so much going forward.

I may even ditch my $5 a month 200 text plan when I get my knew phone as it's been a long time since I've sent/received $5 of texts in a month. I needed it in grad school as I was usually a bit over $5 with texting friends to meet up etc., but I don't do much of that since graduating and moving away.
 
For me it's always been less about the tactile response/key spacing (though that's part of it - i have big hands) and been more about having my entire screen free while I enter data into the phone - whether it be texting or in a browser or other application.

I also like the smaller form factor this phone is going to have, since I like to toss my phone in my top pocket and the 4.0+ inch phones are too big to do that without being incredibly obvious.

The thing I like best about Android devices is I get to pick and choose the hardware feature-set while using an OS I really like.
 
Fair point. Myself I doubt I'd use the keyboard much anyway as I seldom use the keyboard on my ipad for anything more than typing in a url or google search etc. and just wait until I can use a computer to do typing intensive things like email or forum posts etc.

Size is one thing I like about the Galaxy S ii as it's very thin. But I'm not too picky on that front since I've been lugging the bulky LG Voyager in my front pocket for over 2 years! :)
 
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[quote name='dmaul1114']Fair point. Myself I doubt I'd use the keyboard much anyway as I seldom use the keyboard on my ipad for anything more than typing in a url or google search etc. and just wait until I can use a computer to do typing intensive things like email or forum posts etc.

Size is one thing Imlike about the Galaxy S ii as it's very thin. But I'm not too picky on that front since I've been lugging the bulky LG Voyager in my front pocket for over 2 years! :)[/QUOTE]

I was so very close to just holding out for the galaxy S II slide-out or even just getting the keyboardless model - that is one attractive looking device with stellar specifications, according to what i've been reading about it.

I got my hands on the Galaxy S with a keyboard at my son's birthday party a few weeks ago. It was about the most perfect hardware (based on my preferences, expected features) that I've ever played with.
 
My buddy who has a Viewsonic G-Tablet let me know that he hated it, so i put clockwork on it, cm7 + all the goodies for it. After playing around with the GTab, i can safely say thank god i went with the nook color. The button placement on the GTab is mentally retarded and i accidently press them all the time, and the screen has to be the worst screen ive ever witnessed in my life. Its essentially 100% unusable. Worthless. But it does run well on CM7 and has the tegra 2 so a lot of the dual core games work fine on it.

Next up i finished up my cousins Asus EEE Transformer, its nice and i like honey comb although honestly, it hardly does anything my nook color cant do. Great, great tab tho.

After all that, i got some time to play with my cousins new Evo 3D. Its really nice, snappy and works well. The sense 3 stuff isnt a big deal to me as i have it on my thunderbolt already, and my TBolt is 2.3.4 while the evo 3d is 2.3.3, but they both work great. The 3D effect is better then the 3DS's 3d effect, but thats not saying much, as glassesless 3d is so horrible compared to 3d with glasses. Not even in the same ballpark. I watched The Green Hornet that comes with the phone and played the Spiderman game on it that plays in 3d, but you move the phone so much playing it, that 3d is lost all the time, making it worthless yet again.

3D stills on it are also pretty bad. Good battery life tho!
 
Yeah the Gtab's screen is horrible, probably the biggest issue with it. Otherwise it would be pretty good save for the software. I got to play with with a Xoom some and I liked Honeycomb, but at the same time it didn't really wow me either. In fact coming from phone Android I found it a little confusing in some ways.
 
I like honeycomb quite a bit. Not too many surprises but I definitely think its more functional than ios. I also found it confusing somewhat but I think I'll get used to it. I think the confusion is necessary - its not a phone, so it doesn't look like my phones os. It uses the space it has differently.
The idea that one should be able to pick up a device and immediately understand everything about it is ridiculous. If one were to switch from Windows to Mac or Ubuntu, there are learning curves there. Honeycomb is usable for the immediate stuff - get online, play a game - but the little nuances take some time to ferret out and get used to, and I don't think that's a bad thing at all - I would be disappointed if it worked just like my phone
I am curious to use an ipad more. It seems very simplistic but I can't imagine that makes it simple, just limiting. But it does look smoother overall.
 
The iPad (or iPhone/iTouch since it's the same OS) is super easy to use for basic tasks. It's pretty much idiot proof.

But it is limiting and it can be complicated for things like getting content on and off it (have to use iTunes or something like Dropbox) as it's not simply hook up to computer via USB and drag and drop like most people are used to.

So it can be a bit frustrating for more than simple use--i.e. if you want to do more than just surf the net and use apps. I have an iPad 2, but I'll probably switch to something else down the road.

I've mainly got my eyes on the forthcoming Windows 8 tablets and slates as I really want a tablet I can do more real work on (i.e. at least have MS Office and USB drive support at a bare minimum) and can work more seamlessly with my windows PCs. In general I want a tablet that's a bit closer to a tablet PC--but not clunky and sucky like old tablet PCs, rather than the current batch of tablets that are really just media consumption gadgets and thus are pretty limited as productivity tools.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']The iPad (or iPhone/iTouch since it's the same OS) is super easy to use for basic tasks. It's pretty much idiot proof.

But it is limiting and it can be complicated for things like getting content on and off it (have to use iTunes or something like Dropbox) as it's not simply hook up to computer via USB and drag and drop like most people are used to.

So it can be a bit frustrating for more than simple use--i.e. if you want to do more than just surf the net and use apps. I have an iPad 2, but I'll probably switch to something else down the road.

I've mainly got my eyes on the forthcoming Windows 8 tablets and slates as I really want a tablet I can do more real work on (i.e. at least have MS Office and USB drive support at a bare minimum) and can work more seamlessly with my windows PCs. In general I want a tablet that's a bit closer to a tablet PC--but not clunky and sucky like old tablet PCs, rather than the current batch of tablets that are really just media consumption gadgets and thus are pretty limited as productivity tools.[/QUOTE]

Those windows tabs are all going to be using ARM cpus.. Guess what android tabs use? ARM cpus.. Dual boot incoming..
 
Yeah, it it ends up easy to set up a dual boot option that would be awesome as then you could use all the Android apps and also have the Windows programs/apps which will hopefully have lot better productivity options than iOS and Android have.
 
I was reading an article the other day about "new" iOS features, and most of it has been in Android since the beginning. A pull down menu for notifications? That's new? Really?
 
[quote name='Clak']I was reading an article the other day about "new" iOS features, and most of it has been in Android since the beginning. A pull down menu for notifications? That's new? Really?[/QUOTE]

Yeah, the iOS notification system currently sucks. It's just pop up bubbles basically.

I don't care on the iPad as I turn off anything with notifications as I don't really use it for communicating etc. But it's a reason why I've held off on the iPhone as it sucks for e-mails, texts etc. The iOS 5 update looks to remedy things, but as you note it's nothing new--just new to iOS.

I've definitely decided to go Android if I take the smartphone plunge though. Just not a fan of Apple despite impulse buying the iPad 2 a few months ago.
 
The funny thing is that they probably consider features like that to be business features or something, and Apple doesn't make products for those corporate types. I'd love to know how many execs at Apple use something other than an iphone as their business phone.
 
That would be interesting to see for sure!

That said, Android isn't ideal for business either--at least not on tablets. It's a shame no one is currently focusing on business use tablets that are aimed more at productivity than just media consumption.

But to be fair, MS Office--or a truly 100% compatible app--is a necessity for many of us and there's not a lot that can be done their since MS doesn't want those kind of apps out as having Office will be a big selling point for their Windows 8 tablets and slates next year.
 
There are plenty of office compatible apps out there like Quick Office, Documents to Go etc. They aren't that robust, but then they were made for phones too. I don't really see tablets being that embraced by businesses much anyway really. Android is making inroads into business though. Phones like the Droid Pro on Verizon or Xprt on Sprint are Blackberry style phones and the OS itself is having more business features added.
 
None of them are 100% compatible. They work fine if you're just making very basic documents--i.e. mostly straight text etc.

Formatting tends to get wrecked when you're dealing with more complex documents with lots of tables, figures, equations etc. And that's my problem, my computing usage needs are pretty high end for work related stuff.

So you're right that we may just never see tablets that fit my type of needs. That said, I don't think my tablet wants are all that complicated. I don't expect a tablet to replace a laptop--I'll always need a full powered laptop with a lot of storage space and processing power to deal with all my data and run statistical analyses etc.. But I'd like to be able to edit word documents and powerpoints with lots of tables and figures on a tablet when traveling without worry over formatting getting screwed up and causing me headaches or leading to embarrassment when the powerpoints are screwed up when moved back to PC in the conference room etc. as I hate lugging a full sized laptop around.

If tablets can't handle that, hopefully laptop tech makes some big strides. I feel like it's been pretty stagnant the past 5-10 years in terms of weight and battery life. The exception are things like the Macbook Air and the PC rip offs of it by Sony and Lenovo etc. But those are too underpowered to be my main laptop and I don't travel enough to justify owning a second $1000+ laptop just for travel use. Whereas a tablet I at least use at home and work as an e-reader/net surfing gadget. But maybe in another 5 years or so we'll get laptops that size/weight/battery life that have the power, storage space etc. of current 15"+ laptops. If that happens I may just give up on tablets period, or just keep a cheap one as primarily an e-reader rather than buying a pricey one like the iPad.
 
Well something like the Asus Transformer would probably work best because it has a great keyboard dock. I can't imagine editing complex documents on a touch screen. They could probably do it with the software without much trouble, but the problem is if it would be easy to do with a touch screen. That dock basically makes the Transformer a netbook, so that'd work better. Then you can edit or create stuff using the dock and then take the tablet with you and leave the dock behind.
 
They're are plenty of keyboard cases for the iPad and other tablets, and they work with any bluetooth keyboard, so that's not much of an issue.

And I don't mind the on screen keyboard for light editing, I would never do any serious content creation work on a Tablet.

I'm talking about things very basic like having a Powerpoint made before leaving for a conference and being able to make minor edits to it on the plane or in the hotel room. And then throw it on a flash drive to load on the PC in the conference room to give my presentation. I don't need a keyboard dock for that kind of stuff. And don't really want one as then you're near the size and weight of a laptop and might as well have just traveled with a laptop. :D

But that's hard to do on Tablets currently as the office apps screw up tables and figures etc. in Powerpoint too often--plus the iPad doesn't have USB drive support so I'd still need access to a PC before hand to get the file back on a flash drive. So for me it's really just needing good software (100% compatible with Office on a PC) and USB drive support and I could get buy as I generally don't do any serious work on business trips.

I can get by without a keyboard for the type of things I do on the road--so that's why I'd prefer a Windows tablet/slate to a Netbook/Laptop. Much smaller and lighter to carry, and less redundant with my laptop for at home use. So I'm really hoping MS nails their Windows 8 tablets and slates (or at least nails the OS and someone else nails the hardware!) as that's probably my best bet. If they don't nail it, then I'll probably just have to wait and get a thinner and lighter laptop in a few years to replace this bulky work-provided Thinkpad and give up on tablets for work travel use.
 
If you give me a challenge I could see how it goes on my Transformer. ;p

BTW, there is talk a Transformer 2 will come out towards fall or end of the year if that makes a difference to you.

[quote name='dmaul1114'] And don't really want one as then you're near the size and weight of a laptop and might as well have just traveled with a laptop. :D[/QUOTE]

I'd say if anything it would be like a netbook, but... The dock keyboard has a batt built in (adds another 8hrs.), USB ports, and SD card slot that works with the tablet. Good luck finding something that will do the same for an iPad...

If you don't use the keyboard dock it works just as good or better to type.
 
There's no real challenge. Formatting sometimes stays fine, some times gets screwed up in all the apps I've tried--mainly Docs to Go and Pages. Also with Google Docs. I've not tried Quick Office though, but reviews indicate similar issues with complex documents.

It's moot for me now anyway. For a media consumption focused tablet I'll stick with my iPad 2 as the app selection is so fantastic. So I have no interest in switching to an Android or WebOS based tablet. I'll only switch if the Windows ones turn out well as I'd rather just have actual MS Office (or MS office apps made by MS) than taking chances with third party apps and risking having a presentation ruined etc. Otherwise, I'm fine with the iPad as a toy for reading and goofing on the net and playing games etc.
 
Well honestly I've had formatting get screwed up in Word itself, so it isn't confined to non MS products that are compatible. But they don't have many options because as I said, most of those were made for phones and you aren't going to do that stuff on a phone anyway most likely. Give some tablet specific apps time to emerge and that may change.
 
Yep, that's the key. We need Tablet specific apps and Tablet specific operating systems.

Right now they're all just essentially smart phones minus the phone and with a bigger screen, so the functionality is pretty limited for anything other than media consumption.

That's why I'm very interested to see how Windows 8 turns out with MS's goal of having it work across PCs, tablets and slates.
 
Well, gingerbread ends with 2.3.4, and the next step up since Honeycomb is not AOSP, is Ice Cream Sandwhich, which is honeycomb + Gingerbread combined. Its going to be one OS that will work on tvs, set top boxes, phones and tablets all in one shot.

Google has said that ICS is their most ambitious product they've ever gone for, and im excited for the results. Whats nice about Honeycomb is that it has hardware acceleration for the core OS itself, so scrolling and transitions are very smooth, like the iphone/ipad are. This is always something that bothers the die hard apple people, that the scrolling isnt smooth, and i agree i would like to see hardware acceleration at the Core OS level.

We'll see what we end up with anyway.
 
The xoom I played with honestly was not that smooth. It wasn't horrible, but no better than my phone either.
 
Well to be fair the original Droid phone was probably the most popular Android device ever. I mean people still develop for it despite it's age. Unfortaintely the Droid 2 and upcoming Droid 3 have paled in comparison. Mostly because of the X I think. The Droid 3 isn't even LTE enabled.
 
wow 4g lte on verizon is a joke...either they can't get their network to stabilize at 4g, or every 4g phone released under verizon has hardware issues with the 4g antenna. I love my Droid Charge, but just watching it go from 4g to 3g to 1x in like under 5 minutes while sitting still in a 4g "covered" area is just a pain...perhaps I should have just waited it out for the Droid 3 3g............. Do you think it will ever stabilize or it's a hardware issue with the phones themselves that need to be addressed in recalls or software updates?
 
[quote name='Clak']The xoom I played with honestly was not that smooth. It wasn't horrible, but no better than my phone either.[/QUOTE]

Xooms are good tabs but it was the first HC tab so likely had some issues or a rogue app that was running in the background. The asus transformers ive used all scroll super smooth and fast.

[quote name='ITDEFX']wow 4g lte on verizon is a joke...either they can't get their network to stabilize at 4g, or every 4g phone released under verizon has hardware issues with the 4g antenna. I love my Droid Charge, but just watching it go from 4g to 3g to 1x in like under 5 minutes while sitting still in a 4g "covered" area is just a pain...perhaps I should have just waited it out for the Droid 3 3g............. Do you think it will ever stabilize or it's a hardware issue with the phones themselves that need to be addressed in recalls or software updates?[/QUOTE]

I have 0 4G LTE issues on my thunderbolt. I never turn off 4g, its always on and i have 4g coverage everywhere i go. In fact, my brothers house in corona just got 4G LTE turned on and i got 15+mb download speeds there in the boonies, in anaheim where i am at i get 25-36mb regularly. Its amazing service.
 
[quote name='blitz6speed']Xooms are good tabs but it was the first HC tab so likely had some issues or a rogue app that was running in the background. The asus transformers ive used all scroll super smooth and fast.



I have 0 4G LTE issues on my thunderbolt. I never turn off 4g, its always on and i have 4g coverage everywhere i go. In fact, my brothers house in corona just got 4G LTE turned on and i got 15+mb download speeds there in the boonies, in anaheim where i am at i get 25-36mb regularly. Its amazing service.[/QUOTE]
Nah this thing was brand new out of the box. i mean it didn't effect the functionality or anything, but it still has a bit of a jerk or delay like most devices seem to have.
 
[quote name='Clak']Nah this thing was brand new out of the box. i mean it didn't effect the functionality or anything, but it still has a bit of a jerk or delay like most devices seem to have.[/QUOTE]

Then chock it up to being a motorola. The transformers which use the same hardware are smooth as heck and no jerkiness in the slightest.
 
Dang, I didn't know Droid tablets/phones had issues with not scrolling smoothly.

I'll definitely have to go play around with phones before buying one if I go Droid as that would bug me as I love how smooth the scrolling, pinch zooming etc. is on my iPad and want the same on whatever smartphone I end up with. Still lean toward Droid over iPhone for sure, but I'll definitely have to play with the US Galaxy S II rather than just ordering it when announced like I was considering.
 
Well the Galaxy S 2 looks like it's gonna be the best of the best for a while at least, every review I've seen has raved over it. now whether the same is true for the U.S. versions is anyone's guess, our carriers have a way of screwing up good hardware by loading shit software onto it. Scrolling isn't always an issue, it just isn't silky smooth, you know? Especially say if you just exited a program and immediately start scrolling home screens, it may be a little jerky for a second. Or I'd imagine if you tons of stuff running in the background, live wallpapers seem to add to it too, which I think is understandable.
 
It's not the end of the world, but it would bug me given there's an option (Apple) out there that doesn't have that issue.

So it's something I'll give some thought and have to check out in person before buying. I'd rather go Droid, but if I can't get one that performs as well or better than an iPhone then I'll change my mind. I'd already be giving up the better App selection, so the hardware at least needs to be as good or better!
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']It's not the end of the world, but it would bug me given there's an option (Apple) out there that doesn't have that issue.

So it's something I'll give some thought and have to check out in person before buying. I'd rather go Droid, but if I can't get one that performs as well or better than an iPhone then I'll change my mind. I'd already be giving up the better App selection, so the hardware at least needs to be as good or better![/QUOTE]

The problem is that you can either have good performance, or good battery life. Another problem is Flash. As much as I don't support Apple's stance, they are right that it's a memory hog, and causes a lot of problems, including security flaws.

There's also price. Apple makes so few models that they can probably afford to focus research and probably get better deals on hardware, whereas because there are like hundreds of Android phones, so they have to cut small corners to make price competitive, and maybe lower RAM, for example.

The UI also matters. I use Launcher Pro instead of stock UI, and there is virtually no lag.

Disclaimer: Some of this is my speculation, and some are fact.
 
For sure. The iPhone seems to have good performance and good battery life though, from what my friends with them say.

I don't like a lot of Apple's stance's etc. either. But my iPad is a slick device and works well for what it is (a media consumption tablet). I'd kind of rather go Android than iPhone just to have something different since I already have an iPad. But I won't settle for a phone that performs lower than the iPhone on things like scrolling.

Lack of flash seldom bothers me--just a few video sites that I can't watch on the iPad (I don't play flash games or visit any flash heavy websites otherwise). But I don't care about that on a phone as I'd almost never watch video on such a small screen.

Anyway, I guess I'll wait at least for the Galaxy Sii to hit US phones, and Apple's next iPhone as well, and see how they compare. I'm in no rush to get a smartphone as I'm still struggling a bit with swallowing the data plan price given I'm near wifi most of the time. I really just want one for the apps (Kindle, newspapers, GPS, games, good mp3 player etc.) rather than the data plans. I'd like to have that stuff in a phone as I take my phone everywhere unlike my iPad (or an iPod touch if I had one).
 
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[quote name='elessar123']The problem is that you can either have good performance, or good battery life. Another problem is Flash. As much as I don't support Apple's stance, they are right that it's a memory hog, and causes a lot of problems, including security flaws.

There's also price. Apple makes so few models that they can probably afford to focus research and probably get better deals on hardware, whereas because there are like hundreds of Android phones, so they have to cut small corners to make price competitive, and maybe lower RAM, for example.

The UI also matters. I use Launcher Pro instead of stock UI, and there is virtually no lag.

Disclaimer: Some of this is my speculation, and some are fact.[/QUOTE]
They don't do that because they're cutting corners to save money, they do it because not everyone needs or wants a expensive, high performance phone. A phone for every niche basically, where as Apple has more of a "any color as long as it's black" approach.
 
[quote name='Clak']They don't do that because they're cutting corners to save money, they do it because not everyone needs or wants a expensive, high performance phone. A phone for every niche basically, where as Apple has more of a "any color as long as it's black" approach.[/QUOTE]

I'd disagree with that. R&D for 200 different devices will cost more than R&D for one phone, and they have to be sold at the same price or lower.

It's one reason the iPad is dominating. All the alternatives right now cost more, because of the same problemin R&D + hardware costs for smaller orders.
 
The alternatives don't cost more across the board. Most are priced the same as the iPad--i.e. $500 for a baseline wifi only model and up from there.

The iPad is dominating as it has the most apps and Apple are master's at marketing. Plus it's just the best tablet out right now for any price. As much as some things about it bug me, there's nothing out that's as good hardware wise (form factor, battery life, speed and power, responsiveness of touch screen etc.) and nothing that has near the app selection. There's just no reason--beyond hating Apple--to buy another tablet currently. And the limitations that bug me are just as bad on Android and WebOS as they're all related to the current tablet OS's being more built for phones than Tablets.

If someone wants to make a dent in Apple's dominance in the Tablet market they have to put out hardware that tops the iPad, has a better UI, has the apps to compete with the iOS app store and matches or beats the price. And even then it's an uphill battle to beat Apple's marketing machine.
 
uh, Asus Transformer is 399 msrp for wifi only model and is one heck of a tablet. The new Archos 10.1 coming out has the same hardware as all the other tabs and will only be 349 msrp. Prices on the android side for top end hardware are actually down to earth, its the app selection that is severely lacking. Ipad just passed 100k apps (as shitty as most of them may be), there are just a handful of Tablet apps on the market for android atm, its really a shame. The hardware is more then capable also. All of the major tabs are identical in hardware, just like the ipad, they all sport Tegra 2 dual core processors. So one app designed Tegra 2 will work perfectly and exactly the same on all of the modern HC Android tabs.

We just arent seeing major support at the moment. Hopefully google will do something to get things going.
 
Meh, ask Apple fans about iPad specific apps back when the first iPad came out, they were lacking too.
 
[quote name='elessar123']I'd disagree with that. R&D for 200 different devices will cost more than R&D for one phone, and they have to be sold at the same price or lower.

It's one reason the iPad is dominating. All the alternatives right now cost more, because of the same problemin R&D + hardware costs for smaller orders.[/QUOTE]
You know how little it takes to really build different tier phones? It isn't like they have to recreate the wheel every time. Especially since they get good mileage out of models by renaming them for different carriers or areas of the world. Like the Evo 4G+, it's an Evo 3D without the 3D capability, not like much extra work went into that.
 
has anyone gotten any of the Wiimote apps to work on a Samsung Droid Charge? I keep on getting no route to host errors even though it does see it. The main dev page doesn't say it's not supported or supported...hmm..
 
[quote name='Clak']Meh, ask Apple fans about iPad specific apps back when the first iPad came out, they were lacking too.[/QUOTE]

My girlfriend bought one at launch. There were a good deal of apps right then, and the app store really exploded very quickly. Aside from games, most of the apps I use regularly were ones she had on her iPad in the first couple of months after launch.

Android is always going to have app store problems as long as it remains such a fragmented market with so many versions of the OS out currently on so many different kinds of hardware.

It's much easier for developers to just go to the iOS where it's one OS version at a time, where hardware is more stable with just one model at a time with yearly updates etc. And with it dominating market share, there's just not as much reason to consider developing for Android instead of iOS.

So Android and other tablets will really have to beat the iPad on hardware, UI and price as they'll never beat it on app selection. Beat it on the other stuff and gain market share and then maybe the apps will catch up.

But even then, it probably won't happen since the iPhone still has a ton more apps even though Android OS has more smartphone market share--again it's a very fragmented marketshare compared to Apples unified platform so it's just a pain for developers.


It sucks, as I'm not a fan of Apple's policies or their cult of fans, but they've got a huge edge on that front that's going to be hard for Android to catch up to.
 
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[quote name='ITDEFX']has anyone gotten any of the Wiimote apps to work on a Samsung Droid Charge? I keep on getting no route to host errors even though it does see it. The main dev page doesn't say it's not supported or supported...hmm..[/QUOTE]

No clue on the charge, but i use the wiimote app + TVC stick on my Nook Color all the time, pic here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/50084004@N08/5844362487/in/photostream

[quote name='dmaul1114']My girlfriend bought one at launch. There were a good deal of apps right then, and the app store really exploded very quickly. Aside from games, most of the apps I use regularly were ones she had on her iPad in the first couple of months after launch.

Android is always going to have app store problems as long as it remains such a fragmented market with so many versions of the OS out currently on so many different kinds of hardware.

It's much easier for developers to just go to the iOS where it's one OS version at a time, where hardware is more stable with just one model at a time with yearly updates etc. And with it dominating market share, there's just not as much reason to consider developing for Android instead of iOS.

So Android and other tablets will really have to beat the iPad on hardware, UI and price as they'll never beat it on app selection. Beat it on the other stuff and gain market share and then maybe the apps will catch up.

But even then, it probably won't happen since the iPhone still has a ton more apps even though Android OS has more smartphone market share--again it's a very fragmented marketshare compared to Apples unified platform so it's just a pain for developers.


It sucks, as I'm not a fan of Apple's policies or their cult of fans, but they've got a huge edge on that front that's going to be hard for Android to catch up to.[/QUOTE]

Its like you arent reading anything i wrote. All the honeycomb android tabs are identical in hardware and software. They all run HC 3.0 and they all run Tegra 2 dual core cpu's. Its the EXACT situation as the IPAD, they're all running the same exact everything. Just support isnt there yet. But prices are much better then apple obviously and will continue to get cheaper all the time.
 
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