The "RAW sucks" and "Angelina Love is an illegal immigrant" wrestling thread.

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well here is hoping we get a stellar match out of this suspension ala punk and morrison when punk won the ecw belt, while morrison got suspended.
 
Other than the music that followed him throughout the tenure, I really enjoyed him with the biker gimmick. It became even better once he cut his hair off and turned heel, with the exception of the nickname Booger Red. lk
 
[quote name='mykevermin']On that note, one thing the WWE documentary did get right that very few people criticize was the Russo-era decision to make Jarrett the champion. They dig at Arquette, of course, but they also dig WCW (and TNA as well?) by mocking the company who would choose to make Jeff Jarrett the focal part. Mike Graham says "he broke 6,000 guitars...never drew a dime, but he thought he was the man. And he really thought in his little Tennessee brain that he was bigger and better and would draw more money than Hulk Hogan."[/QUOTE]

Aight. I'm gonna defend the move, just a little. Not the fact that it was Jarrett, but the fact that it was SOMEONE other than the established top-tier people led me to believe something might be happening. There was a pattern; 6 of the last 7 title changes prior to JJ winning were actually a result of someone vacating/stripped of the title (including Benoit). I was hoping for something new, and hoping JJ was just the start.

The good news: From JJ we eventually got Booker T as champ.
The bad news: We also got Arquette, Russo, and Scott Steiner as champs.

I didn't complain that JJ had the WCW title, I was elated to see a fresh face up there. The rest falls on Russo.

It's laughable that they'd slam TNA; when a wrestler owns a promotion they tend to only trust themselves/those closest to them as a top star. It's nothing new -- see:
Gagne, Verne
Lawler, Jerry (who actually formed his own promotion w/Jerry Jarrett out of anger/protest when then Memphis promoter Nick Gulas wanted to push his own son as the top star in the area)
the von Erich clan
and to a lesser extent, even today, people named McMahon.

To single out TNA for such a common practice is retarded.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']That's ridiculous. Start with the philosophy of "we have the two most popular wrestling promotions in the world under one roof. Let's make some money" and go from there.

The WWF operated the angle with a storyline of "fuck these guys."

Watch that wrestling match and I dare you to, with a straight look on your face, ask how the WWF could have operated this angle better.[/QUOTE]

But I don't think the two most popular wrestling promotions meant a whole lot to any outside of the hardcore wrestling fans. For most people WCW was just the company that went belly up recently and that was about it.

Oh I don't necessarily disagree that WWE operated the angle that way, but without Hogan, Macho Man, Sting, Goldberg, and everyone else that they didn't want to shell out the money for to buy their contracts out WCW was never going to be a substantial threat and that is even assuming you could look past the fact that it was all clearly an angle. I mean of course all wrestling is angles, but when you clearly know Vince bought WCW it makes things a little different. And again if you're a casual or new fan watching wrestling you're just going to wonder why the company that went out of business seems to be still around and why a few of those guys are bothering the WWE wrestlers.

I agree WWE makes plenty of mistakes, but I think their roster and finances would be about the same as they are today even if the Invasion angle would have worked to its full potential. Maybe we'd have WCW Nitro on Tuesday nights instead of ECW, but I can't imagine much else being different.
 
The moment the invasion failed for me was that horrible Buff Bagwell/Booker T match that ended an episode of Raw.
 
[quote name='cdubb1605']well here is hoping we get a stellar match out of this suspension ala punk and morrison when punk won the ecw belt, while morrison got suspended.[/QUOTE]

Not gonna happen, it's going to be a quick one. I don't remember what wrestler lost his IC/US title before he got suspended.
 
Pretty good show there. The opening segment was hilarious, Joe-Suicide was good while it lasted and led to a much-better tag match, although I forgot about that when the tag match happened and thought "what, did they run short on content and run another Joe match?" when Joe came down. The World Elite promos were strong - which is why it was a shame they were only in one segment, although that is preferable to Impact is EY! Kong and Saied vs. the Mafia chicks was a match - the highlight was Sharmell's pre-match promo about being GANGSTA! Jesse Neal vs. Rhino did a fine job of building up their rematch...which will apparently not be happening since Rhino is facing Lashley at the PPV.

In a fine TNA moment, a backstage poster revealed that Lashley would be wrestling on the PPV before the announcement was made by Dixie. The knockouts belt being held up is stupid, and the whole division has been hurting as of late. There isn't enough depth for a knockouts tag division, and devaluing the main women's belt is only going to hurt the tag belts more.

Shelley behind the cam shooting Lauren's...kinda-cleavage ruled. I hope they didn't kill off their comedy gimmick this week, because it rules and I demand more vignettes of them proclaiming that they'll do next to nothing for incredibly high sums of money. Nash trying to get the money at the PPV is a huge step up from oh... JETHRO HOLLIDAY attempting to do it. Plus, it'll probably be for the belt too, and if Abyss takes that, God help him - that'll cost Nash $20,000 at an autograph session.

Hamada-Daffney was really good, and if they actually become major parts of the division, then great - however, I feel that Hamada will just be like Sarita - hyped up, but never used afterwards in a major role. The moonsault through the table off the top was sick, and Taz's line about Daffney being zombi-hot was classic.

The six-man tag main event was okay. Nothing memorable aside from the delayed suplex on Morgan, who had numerous highlights tonight. One was his GO MAFIA! deal early in the show, the second was him appearing like Festus at one point in the video package hyping him up, and then there was him saying that he's been in wrestling for seven years, which wasn't enough for Kurt, who said that he himself was in for "nearly a decade" and therefore had a lot more despite there only being a minor gap between seven and any year equaling "nearly a decade".

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Sting - I smell success. I think TNA will do some growing up tonight.
Kip - Sting, want me to park your car?
Sting - Kip, you don’t need to park my car. Or anyone’s.
Kip - I used to have one of these…
Lauren - When?
Kip - When I was over…
Tenay - TONIGHT, AJ MAKES HIS RETURN TO THE RING IN OUR IMPACT MAIN EVENT!
Daniels - I’m gonna bring it to Joe at New Surrender.…No Surrender!
Penzer - DUE TO THIS MATCH BEING OUT OF CONTROL, THE REFEREE HAS DECIDED THAT LATER TONIGHT, WE WILL PICK IT UP LATER TONIGHT IN THE FORM OF A TAG TEAM MATCH!
EY - MY GOOD FRIEND BASHIR HAS ASKED TO SPEAK TO THE AMERICAN PUBLIC, BROTHER, THE FLOOR IS YOURS!
Bashir - I’d like to take this moment to talk about something very serious - if you’d allow me to take this off so you can lose any preconceived notions you may have about my appearance and instead listen to my words - what I’d like to talk about is the war in Iraq. Wait…I remember something…May 3rd, 2003 - Bush lands on the USS Lincoln - he announces the end of the war. Mission accomplished - but here we stand more than 6 years later, and if we’re no longer at war, what is killing thousands of my brothers and sisters each day. Innocent men, innocent women, innocent children - this is a world you people know nothing about! You people are brainwashed by the American media - that voting for an American Idol is more important than an American President, and that a dead king of Pop deserves the front of a newspaper instead of a dead Iraqi child. You don’t want our land, you don’t want to stop terrorism - the truth is you America are a junkie! You are an addict for our oil! Your jonesing for you cars to be bigger. YOUR BLOOD IS ITCHING FOR THIS COUNTRY TO BE THE RICHEST IN THE WROLD! THIS WHOLE GODDAMN COUNTRY KNOWS IT! Thank you for your time.
EY - Thank you for enlightening us and making us better people, but that’s not the only reason I’m here. I wanna talk about someone that’s handcuffed by his corrupt morals. Hernandez.
Hernandez - If you have something to say - say it to my face!
EY - I wouldn’t have it any other way, brother. How many times did you come down draped in the colors of your own country - if they respect you for that. The truth is these people will never respect you. You will never be treated as an equal! You to them, you will always be a foreigner. They’ll stereotype you and view you like they’ve always viewed you - as a common criminal. A street thug. A good for nothing thief. Is that who you are? Is that you’re about? I know it’s not - what you need to do is come home. (fans chant KICK HIS ASS) Come home, Hernandez and be Elite just like me. Join the World Elite.
Hernandez - Come home? I AM HOME, BITCH! These people right here - they are me familia! And we want you to understand one thing - this is our country! You either love it or don’t let the door hit you on the ass on the way out!
Tenay - SOMETHING TELLS ME THAT’S NOT THE RESPONSE ERIC YOUNG WANTED OR EXPECTED!
Sharmell - We are Mafia through and through - WE GOT GANGSTA GOING THROUGH US!
Traci - DIDJA HEAR THAT? TRACI REFERRED TO KONG AND RAISHA AS THE ELEPHANT AND HER TRAINER!
(to Shelley behind the cam, focusing on what passes for her cleavage)Lauren - What are you zooming in on? My face is up here!
Sabin - Do you think he’s a professional?
Lauren - No.
Sabin - WELL, HE’S TRYING HIS BEST!
Stevie - Chris, I have a proposition for you.
Sabin - Doc, I like you, but I’m not in like with you.
Stevie - Shut up. $50,000...all you have to do is end the career of Abyss!
Sabin - $50,000...
Shelley - WHAT ABOUT OUR TISSUE HOLDERS!?
Sabin - Well, it has a gun on it, but we’ll take that off….
Taz - Why does she wear the veil/mask gimmick?
Tenay - Well…at one point, she trained with Kong in Japan.
Taz - Kong’s offense is damn near dangerous!
Tenay - Traci avoided the Implant Buster.
Taz - Good - there mighta been a big mess out here!
Angle - How long have you been in this business?
Morgan - SEVEN YEARS!
Angle - Seven years? HA! I’VE BEEN IN NEARLY A DECADE! YOU LACK EXPERIENCE!
Morgan - See ya later, little buddy! GO MAFIA!
Tenay - TNA GAINS EVEN MORE MAINSTREAM EXPOSURE - CHECK OUT HOMICIDE IN THE NEWEST SOURCE MAGAZINE! THE LEADING MAGAZINE IN HIP HOP!
Taz - Everyone knows you’re down with the hip hop!
Taz - I’ve been in Rhino’s shoes before - being frustrated with someone who isn’t learning as fast as you’d like.
Taz - Jesse Neal hasn’t even graduated to getting gear yet.
Tenay - GORE ON JESSE NEAL AFTER RHINO WON! WAIT, I THINK HE HAS REVERSED HIS DECISION - HE RAISED JESSE’S HAND!
Foley - Chris, I have something for you…
Abyss - IS IT A FLANNEL!?
Foley - No…it’s a bag of groceries.
Abyss - I love to eat!
Foley - It’s produce!
Taz - The blue flannel Abyss is wearing has never seen the inside of a washing machine.
Taz - I still haven’t gotten my towel back from Joe, but that’s another story.
(after Abyss grabs Shelley after a cross body)Taz - Wow…that was almost like Shelley knew Abyss would catch him.
Nash - Richards? You got $50,000? THAT WORKS FOR ME. I GOT SOME PROBLEMS. Abyss, you stuck your nose in my business at Hard Justice. Richards, I’ll take your monster and hand you his head for $50,000 just for business alone.
Tenay - Hamada is one of the top female wrestlers in Japan!
Lauren - Daffney, you just heard Hamada’s credentials from Mike Tenay - VERY IMPRESSIVE!
Daffney - Do you ever count sheep?
Lauren - No.
Daffney - I count them…then skin them and then I wear it as a swimsuit. Disturbing huh? YEAH, BECAUSE I’M DISTURBED!
Taz - Daffney is zombie-hot. New gimmick - ZOMBIE-HOT!
Tenay - WHERE’D YOU GET THAT!?
Taz - One of the pioneers of New Japan is Hamada’s father - Gran Hamada.
Taz - Daffney is a freaky chick, man.
Taz - Dinero with a German suplex. Dineiro, Dinero - you talking to me!? How ya say his name?
Dixie - We have just signed a 3-year deal with Spike TV. We’re gonna have new programming - it’s a really important deal for us to have accomplished.
JB - We also see things happen like the addition in Bobby Lashley. You left wrestling in the prime of your career, and now you’re back.
Lashley - I still have the passion - and Dixie showed me how to be 100% committed to MMA and pro wrestling. I don’t wanna do either half-assed!
Dixie - He’s so gifted athletically. This is another opportunity for TNA to do something different. WE, TNA, wants to make sure that Bobby’s the biggest name in MMA and pro wrestling.
Lashley - My goal in TNA IS TO MAKE AN IMPACT. Not to be cliché. Before, I set my sights high, and in TNA, I’m aiming for the top and hopefully one day get the title shot.
Dixie - I’d love to see a world title on his shoulder - both shoulders, where he’s the king of both worlds. He’s committed, we’re committed, and I’m really excited about it. History starts at No Surrender when you’ll wrestle against RHINO!
JB - IT’LL BE YOUR PPV DEBUT FOR TNA WRESTLING!
Taz - Mike, show some respect for God’s sake - this man is the Godfather!
Angle - Sting…WHAT’S HE DONE LATELY!?
Tenay - Hernandez told me this is the first time he’s teamed with AJ!
Angle - …wow…
 
[quote name='vlv723']Not gonna happen, it's going to be a quick one. I don't remember what wrestler lost his IC/US title before he got suspended.[/QUOTE]

umaga lost the belt to hardy in a very boring match right before he got suspended

EDIT: but that was also a match with umaga which explains why it sucked. im just hoping with two really talented guys i get to see a good match, which i shall remain hopeful for.
 
i think im gonna end up at the SD/ECW taping in lexington about a month and a half from now. i'll keep youll updated if there is another shirt exchange.
 
[quote name='Iron Clad Burrito']Aight. I'm gonna defend the move, just a little. Not the fact that it was Jarrett, but the fact that it was SOMEONE other than the established top-tier people.[/QUOTE]

Oh, I don't disagree with that philosophy. It wasn't Jarrett's fault, as the show had been tanking in the ratings and WCW booking was doing a number of things wrong:

1) Adding to the nWo like continuing it was a cool thing to do and/or something that mattered
2) Throwing everything at the wall and seeing what stuck
3) Continuing #2 because nothing did stick

The booking was horrible, the matches lacked logic, flow, and *wrestling*, and the guys on top weren't given much reason to cheer for them; WCW hoped that it would make a self-evident top card guy by putting the belt on "not Hogan" and bringing fans back.

WWE booking at its worst isn't as bad as WCW during that time frame. But the thing is, booking doesn't matter. profit does. WWE has it, which is why we won't see any major changes to the company. Smackdown is pretty good now, but I think we're so starved for a genuine wrestling show that we'll exalt what is a pretty average show into legendary status.

Put it this way: If I ran facefirst into a wall for two hours, I would still call that a better wrestling show than this past week's Raw.

And BikerTaker still stinks. It made no sense whatsoever to humanize him into the gargantuan hillbilly. The "I'm the big dog and this is my yard" shit made me want to puke. If I want to see and hear that, I'll go to a "Waffle House" at 3AM.

[quote name='Matt Young']I could call you Lillian Garcia after the way you just called one title by another's name. But I was really hoping Ziggy would have won the IC belt at SummerSlam.[/QUOTE]

I couldn't tell you the actual names of the "big gold belt" and the "spinner." It's pretty fuckin' ridiculous how many belts there are in WWE.
 
WCW should still be around today. Yeah it sucked balls at the end and make entirely no sense, but it was still doing decent ratings. Kevin Nash said the only people that killed WCW was the AOL Time Warner guys, and it's true. WCW was still doing alright, but those guys there just hated wrestling and killed it off. I wish Bisch could have bought the company because I think the WCW reboot would have worked.
 
At its lowpoint, WCW Nitro was doing above 2.0. Meaning it's 50-67% of what WWE Raw does on average, 200% of what ECW does on average, and 167% of what TNA does on average. It was not profitable, however. The massive downside contracts are probably responsible for that, as I doubt the per-week TV production costs were too high. It didn't cost THAT much to put Judy Bagwell on a pole.

And let us not forget that WCW was the first national wrestling promotion to put AJ Styles on the telly.

"Cruiserweight Tag Division." :rofl: Whatever happened to that Air Paris dude?

EDIT: To be totally fair to the WWE DVD on WCW, it did give me a new appreciation for Goldberg as a person and wrestler. He seems to have a pretty realistic view on his career, and doesn't carry himself like so many ex-wrestlers, carrying grudges about titles they should have won or guys who should have put them over in Tijuana to their fuckin' grave. And by grave I mean the next shitstop on the autograph circuit.

Goldberg gave props to Sgt Buddy Lee Parker. That's awesome. As is his story of how the catchphrase "Who's Next?" came to be.
 
Oh my GAWD, I thought Mickie James had a little dignity and that she was cool and smart, but wtf is this? shes a friggin white trash hoe!
 
I take it you've found the Mickie James foot fetish videos. If I may, please allow me to direct your attention to the Gail Kim topless cell phone ad and anything in the last fifteen years or so featuring Missy Hyatt.
 
You guys are nuts.

It made plenty of sense to turn him into a "gargantuan hillbilly" (even though that's not what he was). Henry Godwinn was a gargantuan hillbilly. The undead character had run its course. The Satanic cult stuff he had been doing prior, while mildly enjoyable at times, was dull and the character had been played out. Opening up his gimmick like that not only provided some pretty awesome promos (again, once he settled in to the character), it allowed him to start wrestling in a more normal style. Thankfully he carried some of that over when he "died" again, but now his promos are back to being mostly cookie-cutter and meaningless. Hey, how much you want to bet the gist of his next promo will be telling CM Punk he will rest in peace? Maybe he can turn the lights off and on while he does it.
 
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If I were UT, I'd center it around saying "I'm your (Punk's) personal demon."

But that's just me.

And his entrance is largely 2 decades old, but the crowd still loves it. Some things are timeless. A middle aged born again christian shaking his old-ass booty to the ring while he sings of being a "sexy boy" and "boy toy" is one of those things, and Undertaker's entire character, I'd argue, is another.
 
I don't disagree that the nostalgia value on 'Taker is huge and he has been around long enough now to probably seem fairly fresh to younger fans who didn't grow up with it. I just liked seeing him being able to do more since he is certainly capable. I know they're not necessarily catering to "me" at this point, but I'm tired of the same old act.

That being said, he's probably still my favorite performer.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kv4VB0Uyic
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Not as big on the supposed hilarity of Edge & Christian as most people seem to be ("sodas rule!" = sorry, not funny), but 0:51 of this video is one of my most cherished pro wrestling ha-ha moments. The fact that Road Dogg just got done spewing out the most pathetic insults ever, and the crowd then laughing at Christian's line makes it even better.
 
I enjoyed the "Bad Ass" Undertaker back in the day (especially since I never saw him as the dead man the first time) but I far more enjoy the Dead Man gimmick. I almost always mark out for the bells , lights out and the music.

[quote name='pimpster4183']Once Vince bought WCW, I don't remember WWE's ratings going up any. It was just like the other WCW viewers vanished.[/QUOTE]

Yep. I pretty much quit wrestling for about 3 years after WCW died (kept watching for a few months though) before coming back into the fold at Wrestlemania 20.
 
I don't know who that person is, but when you have a "Youtube logo" that consists of a skull and some grey roses, you really need to be informed of the fact that, if you were never born, not a thing in the world would change in the slightest.

One less set of "Truck nuts" might have been sold. I guess.
 
Not as great a show as usual, but still the best show of the week by far. One big problem was matches being short, since I've gotten used to this being the show with longer stuff. Kane-Rey was definitely shorter than their usual match, but worked to set up Dolph winning the belt next week. Cryme Tyme vs. Jerishow was way shorter than expected, but worked at further establishing THE PUNCH as a killer move. The women's match happened and did next to nothing.

The Hart Dynasty vs. Matt Hardy/Morrison match was good, but only served to remind me of how poor a job WWE has done at making either man into a suitable replacement for Jeff. Morrison badly needs to get over with something huge quickly if he's ever going to get past the mid-card, and Matt has a golden opportunity to take Jeff's spot but it doesn't like they're going in that direction. As usual, Punk vs. Jeff was awesome. This one had a slower start than usual, but picked up quickly. The arena crowd was definitely on the edge of their seats with this one, and the finish teases were great. The cage superplex looked awesome and would have been a fine ending, but they just kept going until Jeff went after Punk, got poked in the eye, and dropped to the canvas.

The post-match deal was way classier than I was expecting. He got a chance to literally say goodbye, did so, and was about to ride off into the sunset when...BAM Punk hits him with the belt and further establishes this as the CM Punk era of SD. This I loved, and I hope WWE (or someone) makes a comp DVD of their whole feud because it's been the best one all year in WWE. The shots of the fans crying were perfect and show just what kind of a bond Jeff had with his fans. I also liked him taking off his gimmicky gear and tossing it into the crowd since they'd appreciate it, and for now, that part of his life is over.

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Roberts - Allow me to introduce the new, AND ONLY STRAIGHT EDGE WORLD CHAMPION IN HISTORY - CM Punk!
Punk - I TOLD YOU SOOOOOO! I told you all that I would beat Jeff that I did, and in case you were too intoxicated to remember - lemme show ya how I did it! I’ve never felt more alive In my life than I do this very moment - and I’m positive that none of you weak people In attendance have felt this way because you take shortcuts. I feel every ache and pain of every table, ladder, and chair that Jeff TRIED to use against me. It was the most brutal match of my career, but it’s that pain that makes me feel so alive - and naturally, I haven’t taken a thing for it. Unlike you people and unlike Jeff, who with even a small headache, you reach for your medication. Not just the regular stuff, no, you double up on the extra strength stuff! If any of you felt like I do, you’d be on a morphine drip! Hey, some of you probably already are! The physical pain isn’t the only trauma I felt - after the match, I was celebrating my superiority when we were robbed of my moment! We were robbed by the evil incarnate himself, the Undertaker. And after all I’ve been through, I’m being forced to compete in a steel cage match. THAT’S UNFAIR! THAT IS UNFAIR! THE WHOLE THING IS UNFAIR! And it borderlines on conspiracy because the higher-ups are terrified of me because, like you all, they fear what you don’t understand. I am a pioneer, and I make sacrifices - I am the role model this world needs. That doesn’t drink, smoke, doesn’t abuse prescription meds like Jeff - which is proof that straight edge means I’m better than all of you and Jeff Hardy. Tonight, I’ll prove it once again! (Jeff comes out)
Jeff - I HOPE THAT YOU’VE ENJOYED YOUR REIGN AS THE STRAIGHT EDGE WORLD CHAMPION, BECAUSE IT ENDS TONIGHT! Out here on your high horse - once again preaching as If the three most important words In the English language are Just Say No, when there 3 words tonight that are far more important. STEEL. CAGE. MATCH!
Punk - Jeff, I know you’re probably intoxicated right now, but how intoxicated are you. What did you put in your body to get the guts to face me tonight? Was it painkillers? Is that your drug of choice? Just like these pathetic, weak people? PAINKILLERS! Wanna take them so you can dull the scary reality you live in? Here’s reality for you...people…I’m sick of hearing them boo me! I’m sick of seeing young children cheering a guy like you. I’m fed up with you! Jeff, one of us doesn’t belong here anymore. You like risks? Tonight, the loser is thrown out of the WWE! Lemme explain that to you because I know that your mind’s foggy due to the narcotics. If I lose, the people don’t have to hear me tell the truth anymore!
Jeff - I like that.
Punk - But if you lose, it proves that my lifestyle, my skills, my DRUG-FREE JUDGMENT IS BETTER THAN YOURS! IT PROVES THAT STRAIGHT EDGE MEANS I’M BETTER THAN YOU AND OPEN THEIR EYES TO BEING STRAIGHT EDGE BECAUSE THEIR ENABLER WON’T BE HERE ANYMORE! (fans chant Hardy)
Jeff - I don’t know… That’s risky. That’s crazy. YOU’RE ON!!!
Long - All right, playaz, it’s official. Since both of you are In agreement, if that’s what you want - that’s what you’re gonna get. The loser will no longer be in the WWE! The winner will defend the world heavyweight championship in about 2 weeks at BREAKING POINT. Now, that’s where every main event is a submission match - the winner will be In a submission match where he will face THE UNDERTAKER!
(as Morrison comes out)J.R. - I have that same outfit. I wear it when I go to the grocery store for my wife. Makes for some interesting times at the grocer. I just don’t have the abs for it. Well, I do, but they’re covered.
Grisham - You have AN AB!
J.R. - When I see Morrison, I see Shawn Michaels for some reason - and I mean that in the greatest of ways.
Maria - DON’T YOU REALIZE HOW HAPPY DOLPH MAKES ME!?
Melina - Believe…me…I don’t…want to…hurt you…I don’t want to tell you that I saw Dolph with another woman…
Maria - I think you’re jealous - that you don’t have a boyfriend who cares about you.
McIntyre - Sorry to ruin your party. You like to see someone dancing and rapping to the ring - my name is Drew McIntyre, and the party is over.
Jericho - You are looking at the most powerful team in sports today, and whle great teams don’t always win, they win when they have to. Just because Mayweather helped MVP and Henry cheat to beat us doesn’t mean they have any chance at Breaking Point - because we are going to do what great teams do - we will prevail and be victorious. Just like we were at Summerslam against Cryme Tyme. You try to cut corners - we don’t. We’re men on honor, principles, honesty - and most importantly, we’re champions!
Big Show - UNIFIED TAG TEAM CHAMPIONS!
(after Jeff gets a 2 count)J.R. - I THOUGHT THE GAMBLER HAD ACES!
J.R. - IT WOULDN’T SURPRISE ME TO SEE JEFF JUMP OVER THE TOP OF THE CAGE AND LET THE PIECES FALL WHERE THEY MAY TO WIN THE TITLE!
Grisham - We’ve heard of people racing cars for pink slips - tonight, two men compete for pink slips!
J.R. - Pinfall, submission, or escaping the cage will getcha to the pay window!
J.R. - This is just the beginning of the straight edge world championship reign.
Grisham - …and the ending of a great career - Jeff Hardy‘s.
Crowd - THANK YOU JEFF, THANK YOU JEFF!
Jeff - First of all, I’m sorry if I let anybody down. I’m sorry that you’ll be seeing Punk instead of me on SD. But it’s one hell of a ride, hasn’t it!? I just wanna thank all of you and let you know that this is not goodbye forever - this is only goodbye for now. And if the time is right, I’m sure I’ll see you in the future. Thank you all. Hey! Matt’s on my side - there’s still a Hardy on this show! Yours truly, Jeff Hardy. Ours truly, this life! Punk - THIS PIECE OF GARBAGE IS GONE FOREVER!
 
Yes, the crying about Jeff Hardy leaving falls into that "emberassing to let other people know I watch this" category.

My fiancee was nearby but I don't think she noticed the weeping fans. I just told her that the Hot Topic guy was retiring for awhile.
 
SD was great as usual last night. Jeff's last match was a great swan song to his WWE career. The fan reactions were a bit much, but it just goes to show the kind of loyal fanbase Jeff has. The post-match attack by Punk was brilliant and was perfectly in line with his heel persona, since it spat in the face of Jeff and the his fans.

I wonder who's next in line to get a main event push once Punk/Taker runs it's course.
 
If Jerishow has run its course by then, Jericho/Undertaker? I can't remember if we've ever gotten that matchup before.
 
Jericho Taker would be an awesome fued.


I really don't know where they are going to go with Punk Taker, but there's no way it will be as good as Punk Hardy. Those two are just perfectly suited to fued with each other. I wish it could keep going as it's been the best thing in wrestling in years.
 
Unless I'm forgetting something, the most significant interaction we've really had with Jericho - Undertaker was that "personification of boredom" / "judging by that peach fuzz on your chin" promo from right after Jericho arrived.

Rey has his excuses...

WWE Intercontinental champion Rey Mysterio says his 30-day suspension was "handled very badly" by WWE and Dr. Black, who runs WWE's Wellness Policy.

Mysterio claims he had a prescription for an oral medicine for his knee and arm (both resulting from previous injuries that sidelined him for several months) that caused a raised level on a recent drug test.

Mysterio was on vacation earlier this month, then he was sent overseas to Europe for WWE promotional work. He says he was unable to provide the doctor's script before Dr. Black's deadline to prove he had a legit prescription, prompting the suspension.

Mysterio says WWE told him they had no choice but to suspend Mysterio for 30 days. He says it was unhandled unjustly.

"Without a doubt, because they do not give the opportunity to clarify me what happened or to give my version," Mysterio told The Record newspaper in Mexico. "To me it becomes unjust not of the company, but how they handle the system of anti-doping."

Mysterio says he's passed 15 drug tests this year, which he says should have bought him some leeway to provide the prescription. Mysterio says he's concerned about his public image because he denied accusations of steroid use throughout his career and now he doesn't know how the public will react.

"In the past they said that Rey Mysterio used anabolics to grow his body, but everything has been only speculations, nothing verified, and this is something that affects to me, mainly mentally, because it concerns much my public to me and I do not know how they are going to react," Mysterio said.
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I was going to laugh at Mysterio for referring to himself in the fucking third person for a non-wrestling interview, but the format of that looks kind of awkward so it may have been run through a crappy translator before it was posted in English.

Didn't I see something about Rey wanting to leave (hence the "Kane killed him, or did he?" angle) a while back? Looks like he doesn't really care what WWE thinks of him...guys terrified about their job status probably wouldn't have said anything like that.

Rey is one of the few guys where the company probably needs him more than he needs them. He could obviously be fine just working in Mexico, and WWE wants to hold onto him to appeal to an important segment of their audience.
 
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[quote name='Brak']To me, Jerishow sucks.[/QUOTE]

It has potential, I think. Its biggest weakness is the drought of tag teams in WWE.

A team that has never worked together ever (I think?), MVP and Mark Henry, are the "#1 Contenders."

Mark Henry has a lot of work to do in getting over as a face (they did that thing a few weeks ago where he worked the crowd live on air - and it was stunning how positive of a reaction he got - and then it was never really followed up on to reinforce that we're supposed to care for and cheer for him now), and MVP has kinda suffered from Mr Kennedy syndrome - where his push has prematurely ended the moment it began, that I can't root for the dude any more than I can watch a Peanuts holiday cartoon, rooting for Charlie Brown to kick the football this time. I know how it ends, dude. I know how it ends.

I'd like to see more of Jericho as the run-his-mouth-a-ton-then-hide-behind-TBS heel, and to have TBS not utter a word. Just be the stoic unmoveable bully behind Jericho, where we know Jericho would get his ass kicked in his absence.

But you gotta have people to wrestle. "Hey, what's Paul Birchall and, um...Kofi Kingston doing? Give 'em a title shot!" isn't going to work well in getting fans to care.

I'm starting to sour on the idea of a submission match b/w Taker and Punk. I think it almost has to have a bullshit TNA-quality finish to it. Taker ain't submitting, and Punk needs the title. So it's going to be a bullshit groan-inducing finish for punk, or Taker's going to win the title. Oh joy of joys.
 
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I'm starting to sour on the idea of a submission match b/w Taker and Punk. I think it almost has to have a bullshit TNA-quality finish to it. Taker ain't submitting, and Punk needs the title. So it's going to be a bullshit groan-inducing finish for punk, or Taker's going to win the title. Oh joy of joys.[/QUOTE]

I'm utterly amazed that it took this long for someone to bring this up, as it's the *first* thing I questioned when people were excited about the match. Will the match itself be good? Certainly. There's just no good way to end it, given who Taker is and that Punk *really* needs to not lose the title.

In a perfect world, of course, Vince would realize this is a great moment to make a new star and have Taker tap. For reference, if I had said that out loud, I would have started laughing right around 'Vince would realize'.
 
Speaking of Burchill, kudos to whoever is writing ECW. They've got two undercard feuds at the moment that have, imo, had logical progression and build up (Burchill/Hurricane and Sheamus/Goldust) with a third that is starting to take off in Benjamin/Ryder. Better than the ECW title picture and as good as if not better than Raw or Smackdown in trying to get the roster in matches that actually matter.
 
[quote name='007']I'm utterly amazed that it took this long for someone to bring this up, as it's the *first* thing I questioned when people were excited about the match. Will the match itself be good? Certainly. There's just no good way to end it, given who Taker is and that Punk *really* needs to not lose the title.

In a perfect world, of course, Vince would realize this is a great moment to make a new star and have Taker tap. For reference, if I had said that out loud, I would have started laughing right around 'Vince would realize'.[/QUOTE]

I disagree that UT should tap. But it's been 12 years since the Steve Austin "pass out" loss in a submission match. The best result would be to use that finish, with Punk on the winning end.

Lamentably, I think we're going to see Punk end up with the beginnings of a stable to help him defeat UT in a clusterfuck finish. Here's the irony, though: suppose (just for a moment) that it was Danielson and the other ROH folks who become Punk's stable. How quickly will "workrate"-loving smart marks forget that they hate run-ins, ref bumps, and non-clean overbooked finishes, instead rubbing one off because "Tyler Black" is on television?

:lol:
 
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