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On the the third disc of Lost Odyssey after a 2 month break and I have to admit, my tastes for RPGs have changed. I tend to favor more Western RPGs than Japanese. There are too many scenes/details that before I didn't mind but now are just downright annoying with Japanese RPGs.

I feel like I have grown out of those.
 
Now that I think about it, there's one thing Lost Odyssey has that almost every JRPG doesn't have. Head nodding. Seriously, that really annoys me about JRPG's.
 
Did a crapload of grinding today in Eternal Sonata gearing up for the final dungeon run. I do so love the combat. I don't say this often about a JRPG with a really bad story, but the gameplay in this one really does make this game worth the time.
 
[quote name='KingBroly']Now that I think about it, there's one thing Lost Odyssey has that almost every JRPG doesn't have. Head nodding. Seriously, that really annoys me about JRPG's.[/QUOTE]
Huh?
 
I've been jumping between RPG's a lot lately. I started with Demon's Souls and hit level 51, then moved to Eternal Sonata, then Valkyria Chronicles, then Fallout 3, and now I'm playing Dragon Age: Origins. This one seems like it'll hold my attention, though, and I hope to finish at least one play through before moving to another game.
 
Just finished Star Ocean First Departure. Actually the end credits are still playing in my headphones. Throughout the whole game, I thought the story was pretty good. It was semi-cheesy but it was passable. However, the last couple hours of the game were just meh. The gameplay was great through the whole game.

I was about to start getting pissed when Ilia mentions, "Don't let Roak ever get developed....nothing good comes from it." It was a definite WTF moment.
 
[quote name='chibamm']I was about to start getting pissed when Ilia mentions, "Don't let Roak ever get developed....nothing good comes from it." It was a definite WTF moment.[/QUOTE]

There's tons of anti-technology themed JRPGs, so it's very common to see games say technological advances are bad. Especially with Star Ocean's premise.
 
[quote name='elessar123']There's tons of anti-technology themed JRPGs, so it's very common to see games say technological advances are bad. Especially with Star Ocean's premise.[/QUOTE]

I was aware of it is a theme but for them to come right out and say it like that. Took me back for a second. Although, in response the main character said that he didn't agree and they would be "better than ever."

It's similar to the trend in society for the past 50 odd years; trying to find a balance between man and nature.
 
Devil Summoner 2!!

I finally picked it back up! after peeling myself away from mushifutari/sf4/tekken

17 hours in so far on chapter 4... let's keep doing it!!
 
[quote name='Brownjohn']I've been jumping between RPG's a lot lately. I started with Demon's Souls and hit level 51, then moved to Eternal Sonata, then Valkyria Chronicles, then Fallout 3, and now I'm playing Dragon Age: Origins. This one seems like it'll hold my attention, though, and I hope to finish at least one play through before moving to another game.[/QUOTE]

Geez, lol. Perhaps try something a little shorter?
 
[quote name='ProggleRock']Geez, lol. Perhaps try something a little shorter?[/QUOTE]


I was wondering about this too since most of the games mentioned are games that take time to beat. Especially Fallout 3 unless you do a special go around to do it. I forgot but you can beat the game in 30 minutes by doing a special thing early.
 
After Rogue Galaxy I have little interest in White Knight. Next to Star Ocean 3 it's one of my least favorite PS2 RPGs I have ever played...
 
[quote name='TomJones4']Im getting White Knight Chronicles.

I love how PS3 is finally getting some games I give a shit about.[/QUOTE]

Especially in the RPG department this is true. Sony's RPG offerings this gen so far has been extremely poor in quantity compared to last-gen.
 
White Knight Chronicles is going to rule. I've liked every level 5 game I've played so far.

The only PS3 RPG I give a shit about is Valkyria Chronicles. The PS3's RPG library is horrible, even including multiplatform releases. I have a Wii now and I am finding it's RPG library just as sparse as the PS3's. At least I can get Tales of Graces when that comes out.

I might have to try out Dragon Age, but I know I'll never be able to like Borderlands or Demon's Souls.
 
[quote name='Chibi_Kaji']After Rogue Galaxy I have little interest in White Knight. Next to Star Ocean 3 it's one of my least favorite PS2 RPGs I have ever played...[/QUOTE]
Really? I didn't think Rogue Galaxy was great or anything, but one of the least favorite on a system that had Shadow Hearts 3, Star Ocean 3, Dark Cloud 1, Suikoden 4, Radiata Stories, etc.?
 
Dragon Age though the graphics are not that good is the story and the abilities you are able to do. Strategy Rpgs I believe do take time to get used too. I believe White Knight Chronicles is going to be a good RPG. It is true that the PS3 has a low number of RPGs. The Xbox 360 has more Rpg exclusives than the PS3. I was wondering to anyone, how is Tales of Vesperia (Xbox 360)?
 
[quote name='Rei no Otaku']Really? I didn't think Rogue Galaxy was great or anything, but one of the least favorite on a system that had Shadow Hearts 3, Star Ocean 3, Dark Cloud 1, Suikoden 4, Radiata Stories, etc.?[/QUOTE]
I can't pass Judgment on games I have never played, now can I? As for Radiata Stories... it's just a painfully forgettable game. Which would explain why I didn't list it.
 
[quote name='Chibi_Kaji']I can't pass Judgment on games I have never played, now can I? As for Radiata Stories... it's just a painfully forgettable game. Which would explain why I didn't list it.[/QUOTE]
Oh wow. Figured you had played those.
 
I don't think you'll find anyone on this thread who doesn't like Tales of Vesperia. It's excellent. I really can't believe it was the first Tales game I played. I have no idea how the PS2 ones slipped past me.
 
I know its been said but why has this generation sucked so much for RPGS.
It feels like all the focused moved to the shitty DS.
 
[quote name='TomJones4']I know its been said but why has this generation sucked so much for RPGS.
It feels like all the focused moved to the shitty DS.[/QUOTE]
Sounds like a personal problem. I've had no problem enjoying the great RPGs on the shitty little thing.
 
[quote name='Chibi_Kaji']Nah, I heard Shadow Heart 3 was bland and just never played it and I just never got around to the others.[/QUOTE]

It's not bland, it just loses a lot of the bleakness and replaces it with camp. Which I rather enjoyed, honestly; Yuri was getting on my nerves.

And from a gameplay perspective it's nearly identical to Covenant.
 
[quote name='botticus']Sounds like a personal problem. I've had no problem enjoying the great RPGs on the shitty little thing.[/QUOTE]


I dont want to go back to N64 Graphics and even worse sound.
Seriously the DS has the worst audio chip in it.
The problem with most of the DS RPGS is that they are just remakes. (Save for the couple of original titles)


This article is hillarious:
http://www.destructoid.com/bioware-co-founder-jrpgs-suffer-from-lack-of-evolution--155782.phtml

Doesn't he realize hes also making the same game over and over again?
 
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[quote name='TomJones4']
This article is hillarious:
http://www.destructoid.com/bioware-co-founder-jrpgs-suffer-from-lack-of-evolution--155782.phtml

Doesn't he realize hes also making the same game over and over again?[/QUOTE]

What a jackass. Although I admit to liking Mass Effect, Bioware sucks. And I absolutely hate it when people tell me a game has "RPG elements." "We have big debates on whether GTA is an RPG, for example. It's got all the elements, it just doesn't have the numbers." Having a character learn skills/get stronger does not constitute "RPG elements." That's just "video game elements." I also hate it when people tell me they like RPGs, then I ask what they like, and they say, "Oh, you know, like KOTOR."

...And yeah, it's been said but it bears repeating: RPGs are far more enjoyable with my TV and speakers than with the DS. Not that it's a deal-breaker, but still, why the DS?
 
[quote name='botticus']Sounds like a personal problem. I've had no problem enjoying the great RPGs on the shitty little thing.[/QUOTE]

In my case it really is a personal problem. I can't enjoy portable RPGs anymore but I wish I could. There are so many great RPGs on the DS but I feel retarded playing on a 3 inch screen when a 50 inch TV is right in front of me.

Was there even one good JRPG for either 360 or PS3 this year?
 
I has a solution!

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Whats the problem with KoToR? It is a good RPG .

[quote name='dr_illingsworth']why the DS?[/QUOTE]
The same reason why the PS2 had a shit ton of RPGs... everyone seems to own a DS.

The Crotch: fuck the Super Gameboy! Gameboy player 4 life!
 
I am the opposite and much prefer RPG on DS instead of console. I love being able to play and resume with the PSP and DS
 
[quote name='Rodimus']

Was there even one good JRPG for either 360 or PS3 this year?[/QUOTE]

Eh no not really. I enjoyed Cross Edge, didn't blow me away, more of the same sprity goodness. Only two I can think of for the 360 are Star Ocean and Magna Carta 2. Haven't played ether yet but no one is talking about them so I guess they are sub par at best.
 
[quote name='Chibi_Kaji']Whats the problem with KoToR? It is a good RPG.[/QUOTE]

Nothing really, it's not my cup of tea, but to each his own. I'm just talking about the casual RPG players who then talk to me as if they're experts on RPGs. They also love to dismiss great games out of hand because they don't like turn-based combat.
 
[quote name='dr_illingsworth']I also hate it when people tell me they like RPGs, then I ask what they like, and they say, "Oh, you know, like KOTOR."[/QUOTE]

I'll agree that Bioware is being very hipocritical in the article as they are very guilty of pumping out very similar games with the main difference being the setting. With that said though I don't really care I like JRPGs and I've enjoyed most of Bioware's games so making the same thing over and over again doesn't really bother me.

However I don't get what your point is about KOTOR. KOTOR is built on modified D&D rules (I believe you even have the in-game option of showing the dice rolls), how is that not a viable RPG?
 
[quote name='dr_illingsworth']What a jackass. Although I admit to liking Mass Effect, Bioware sucks. And I absolutely hate it when people tell me a game has "RPG elements." "We have big debates on whether GTA is an RPG, for example. It's got all the elements, it just doesn't have the numbers." Having a character learn skills/get stronger does not constitute "RPG elements." That's just "video game elements." I also hate it when people tell me they like RPGs, then I ask what they like, and they say, "Oh, you know, like KOTOR."

...And yeah, it's been said but it bears repeating: RPGs are far more enjoyable with my TV and speakers than with the DS. Not that it's a deal-breaker, but still, why the DS?[/QUOTE]
I actually agree with him. While I still like JRPGs he's correct in saying that there's almost no evolution. While most Bioware games have a similar layout they tend to play completely differently. If you don't think so ask all the people that loved KOTOR but hate Jade Empire, or all the new fans they got with Mass Effect who would probably never play a roll based game like Dragon Age.

"Bioware sucks?" I don't think so. I'm already on my 3rd playthrough of Dragon Age and each time it's almost totally different due to the different outcomes and character classes. I love the Tales series but once you play one of those games it's the same every time. KOTOR is far more of a ROLE PLAYING game than any JRPG seeing as how you actually make your own character to ROLE PLAY.
 
I say to each his own. I enjoy both JRPGs and I'll call them Western RPGs such as KOTOR. I agree that Western RPGs tend to be much more of a "role playing" type game in the sense that you build your character from the ground up and make choices to impact how your character acts. I just got done playing Fable, and while not the greatest game ever, I am going to thoroughly enjoy going back through it as a good hero instead of evil. However, I know there are plenty of people who can't stand that type of game.
 
Bioware games just are all based of the D&D ruleset.

No JRPG evolution bioware?
Hows this?
You stole the gambit system from FF12 for Dragon Age.

The one thing I cannot stand about Bioware games is that stupid candid animations they all do while you pick dialog options.
UGH, more then 2 animations per character Bioware.
 
[quote name='TomJones4']Bioware games just are all based of the D&D ruleset.

No JRPG evolution bioware?
Hows this?
You stole the gambit system from FF12 for Dragon Age.

The one thing I cannot stand about Bioware games is that stupid candid animations they all do while you pick dialog options.
UGH, more then 2 animations per character Bioware.[/QUOTE]
Jade Empire and Mass Effect are based on the D&D ruleset? No.

And you're basing JRPG evolution on FFXII who's battle system borrows heavily from Western RPGs in the first place?
 
Dragon Age Origins is essentially a D&D game without the actual license right? I'm pretty sure some people made something just like that for the NES. It was called FINAL FANTASY.
 
[quote name='DQT']Dragon Age Origins is essentially a D&D game without the actual license right? I'm pretty sure some people made something just like that for the NES. It was called FINAL FANTASY.[/QUOTE]

Tell me you're being sarcastic.
 
[quote name='Rei no Otaku']Jade Empire and Mass Effect are based on the D&D ruleset? No.

And you're basing JRPG evolution on FFXII who's battle system borrows heavily from Western RPGs in the first place?[/QUOTE]

Mass Effect and Jade Empire less so, then other titles yes.

I was not basing JRPG evolution off FF12. I was merely stating the fact that DA:O basically stole its AI system straight from a JRPG.

FF12 didnt push the JRPG mold forward, and I'm not going to make a case for it since I hate FF12.

JRPGs evolve slowly, its just something the bioware doctor cannot see.
 
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