The "Stay Classy, Republicans" Super Nintendo Chalmers Thread

Syntax Error said:
The UN doesn't have its own military force. What you meant to say was "This is what members of various militaries really do."

In fact, as the articles point out, the UN is hamstrung when these events occur since it has no authority to discipline soldiers from the member nations. If you're upset that Sri Lankan soldiers acting as UN Peacekeepers committed sexual assault, your complaint should be with the Sri Lankan military. Putting on a blue helmet didn't magically change them into rapists.
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Yes, that's the point, it's an obsolete organization, it organizes and starts stuff it can't actually handle. The EU wants to start up an Armed forces of its own, let them handle this, they seem to think they have everything figured out.

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And, in this case, Sri Lanka did; 114 of those soldiers were sent home. But what happened after that is anybody’s guess. There is no accountability. There are no names of any of these people, and nobody ever went to jail.

So, if you can imagine, these kinds of corroborated crimes against children over a three-year period, corroborated by a U.N. investigative team, and then nothing happens.
 
But nothing happened because of Sri Lanka, not because of the UN.  The sad thing here is that the only way the UN could directly take action would be if they had a higher military authority than the member nations which would make the "UN New World Order" people lose their shit.  Instead, authority is left to the member states and so now it's "UN is useless because they can't stop this".  Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

The organization to blame here is the Sri Lankan military which allowed this and failed to discipline its soldiers.

 
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Syntax Error said:
But nothing happened because of Sri Lanka, not because of the UN. The sad thing here is that the only way the UN could directly take action would be if they had a higher military authority than the member nations which would make the "UN New World Order" people lose their shit. Instead, authority is left to the member states and so now it's "UN is useless because they can't stop this". Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

The organization to blame here is the Sri Lankan military which allowed this and failed to discipline its soldiers.
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I think it's pretty well known many of the bigger countries give buckets of cash to the smaller ones "for progress", you threaten take that away, and those 114 soldiers would get castrated and or hung. Money talks. Just have Trump say "We will take away our tremendous, amazing financial assistance if they don't make it's amazingly and tremendously clear they will will not tolerate their troops crossing the line, the many many lines, that hurt these beautiful babies."

https://www.usaid.gov/sri-lanka
 
Which still has nothing to do with the UN.  So now you should be mad at Sri Lanka and at the US government for not cutting aid to Sri Lanka but neither of which is the UN's fault.

 
So, Trump is under heavy fire for 'personal' spending. And he should be. It's rediculous, the security we are forced to pay for to keep him and his family 'safe'.

Likewise, Obama and Bush faced similar criticism (to varying degrees).

So, what's the answer? All I hear is folks screaming about how horrible Trump is, but not one single proposal on how to stop #46 from being worse.

I'd say a yearly cap on personal 'security' and travel exoenses. You go over, you get no security. Don't go over.
 
It's easy to stop #46. Do the opposite of what he wants. He wants to cut police funding, lock up brown people, cut funding to women's health care, cut funding to poor people's health care, cut funding to drug treatment inc. pill abuse, cut funding for the arts, cut funding for sciences, cut funding for education, etc. All those programs he hates literally put America first.

 
Syntax Error said:
Which still has nothing to do with the UN. So now you should be mad at Sri Lanka and at the US government for not cutting aid to Sri Lanka but neither of which is the UN's fault.
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The UN put them there, the UN gave them whatever authority they had. It had happened before, the UN even fired the whistleblower. (Maybe you didn't read or skim through all the links? it kept going on in other places, the UN didn't do anything to stop it from happening again. It said it would, but never actually did anything new. I skimmed them all and many more maybe why we are on different pages)

That's like a daycare hiring a rapist because it didn't do a background check, then the guy rapes a kid, they fire him, then hire a known child molester to replace him who then molested a kid. That's shows a history of negligence.

The US bought all of those ISIS Toyotas, so would you say it's not the US's fault for them being used? Nearly every time the US supports a rebel group in the middle East it turns on us. That's why the US Congress so abruptly dropped the investigation into how ISIS could get so many new trucks, and how outraged they were anyone would sell to known terrorists.


On another note I'm happy to have a civil political argument on the internet, wasn't sure it was still possible!
 
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6er said:
That's like a daycare hiring a rapist because it didn't do a background check, then the guy rapes a kid, they fire him, then hire a known child molester to replace him who then molested a kid. That's shows a history of negligence.
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It's not like that at all. The UN didn't "hire" Sri Lanka, Sri Lanka is part of the organization. The UN asks for troops on a volunteer basis. Sri Lanka offers them.

You know who doesn't? The US. The US provides less than 1% of the UN's peacekeeping force. It's dominated by military forces from developing and third world nations. Twice as many Sri Lankan peacekeepers were accused of sexual assault than the US provides in total. So, again, perhaps you should wonder more about why the US refuses to help these missions than blaming the UN for working with what they have.

 
UncleBob said:
I'd say a yearly cap on personal 'security' and travel exoenses. You go over, you get no security. Don't go over.
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This is actually happening. The Secret Service already asked the OMB for additional money to cover all their extra security needs. They supposedly said "nope" so now the Secret Service would be forced to pare down its other missions to divert funds to protecting Trump's golf carts.

The U.S. Secret Service requested an extra $60 million for its 2018 budget to protect the Trump family and cover travel costs, according to internal agency documents obtained by The Washington Post.

The Office of Management and Budget (OMB) rejected the request, however, according to a Post source.

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If the Secret Service does not receive additional funds, it likely will have to divert resources from other units like cyber crime and counterfeit money-related cases, the newspaper reported.
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The issue is partially that protecting the president is the Secret Service's primary mission so they'll strip out everything else before they stop following Trump around.

 
UncleBob said:
So, Trump is under heavy fire for 'personal' spending. And he should be. It's rediculous, the security we are forced to pay for to keep him and his family 'safe'.

Likewise, Obama and Bush faced similar criticism (to varying degrees).

So, what's the answer? All I hear is folks screaming about how horrible Trump is, but not one single proposal on how to stop #46 from being worse.

I'd say a yearly cap on personal 'security' and travel exoenses. You go over, you get no security. Don't go over.
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Well, I don't think "no security" is reasonable. You can't not protect the most important official in our country. But what you do is have the limit and when the limit is reached, all future trips/expenses are denied. If all-mighty, all-knowing businessman Trump can't simply demonstrate that he can balance a travel budget, why the hell should we expect him to balance a national budget?

I mean, that's the crazy thing...in reality, Trump and his family's vacations are being subsidized by the American people...and yet, these assholes bitch about "socialism" and "wellfare". I'd never say we shouldn't have limits, but I'm sorry that it bothers me more paying for a billionaire's resort vacations than it does paying for a single mother's loaf of bread.

And most definitely, Bush and Obama did receive criticism for the same. Obama was ridiculed by Trump himself for his vacations and golfing. Now, of course, golfing is just "great opportunities to negotiate"...because Trump is clearly the first person to ever think of that. The guy can't just swallow his pride and admit that he didn't know what the hell he was talking about.

 
TheN8torious said:
Well, I don't think "no security" is reasonable. You can't not protect the most important official in our country. But what you do is have the limit and when the limit is reached, all future trips/expenses are denied. If all-mighty, all-knowing businessman Trump can't simply demonstrate that he can balance a travel budget, why the hell should we expect him to balance a national budget?

I mean, that's the crazy thing...in reality, Trump and his family's vacations are being subsidized by the American people...and yet, these assholes bitch about "socialism" and "wellfare". I'd never say we shouldn't have limits, but I'm sorry that it bothers me more paying for a billionaire's resort vacations than it does paying for a single mother's loaf of bread.
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Agreed. I just wish we'd see someone actually propose something to prevent it, rather than complain endlessly about it. :/
 
UncleBob said:
Agreed. I just wish we'd see someone actually propose something to prevent it, rather than complain endlessly about it. :/
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Of course. But remember, you're talking about actually getting something done...that isn't agenda based...and is for the good of everyone in the country. Good luck with that, lol. :lol:

 
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GOP planning new Obamacare replacement. Poor and middle class people will be free to go without health insurance, or health care for that matter. https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2017/04/20/the-gop-has-a-new-plan-to-destroy-obamacare-its-even-crueler-than-the-last-one/?utm_term=.30222ca2f58a&wpisrc=nl_most-draw8&wpmm=1

Congress to consider charging veterans to access GI Bill Benefits. http://www.militarytimes.com/articles/gi-bill-benefits-new-fees-future-enlistees-house-lawmakers

 
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/686626127213924356

A bigger draw than 9/11!  http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/president-trump-brags-drawing-highest-ratings-9-11-article-1.3095085

Meanwhile, the efforts of North Carolina lawmakers to strip the powers of the State Executive Branch to spite Democratic Governor Roy Cooper has cost the state a pretty penny: http://wbt.com/litigation-between-cooper-legislative-leaders-costing-760k/ And legislature has decided to screw with the number of judges the governor can appoint, forcing a rogue justice to take matters into his own hands. https://thinkprogress.org/north-carolina-gop-judge-resigns-1559cf0dbb8c

 
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Too bad the Democrats have no imagination.  Trump is not a mainstream Republican and has an ego that's very easy to stroke.  They easily could have worked with him to further selective parts of their agenda (after all Trump has no qualms about deficit spending) counter to the agenda of mainstream Republicans.  Problem is that they've defined themselves as a "resistance party" so there's no way they can viably work at all in a bipartisan way without outraging their base.  Furthermore, so what if Trump gets impeached or resigns, now Pence is President and they are even more screwed. 

What gets overlooked is that if you take away all the media noise over what Trump said or did, objectively, he has actually had a decent start to his presidency.  Stock market hitting new highs.  Unemployment at 10 year lows.  Illegal immigration down over 60%.  He's actually delivering to his base. The media has set expectations so low, if after four years, we have not degenerated into a fascist neo-Nazi dictatorship or started World War III, voters are going perceive that Trump has not nearly been as bad as feared and he could win re-election if the economy holds up, especially if there has been a significant downturn of Islamic terror attacks in the U.S..  The public has been desensitized to scandal and protests and it doesn't help that the Democratic party itself is highly factionalized into competing causes leading to infighting.  Focus on one cause and the others feel slighted.  White liberals now have to straddle the fine line of avoiding "cultural appropriation" and "white privilege."  The Democrats are in far more dire straits than they think.

 
What gets overlooked is that if you take away all the media noise over what Trump said or did, objectively, he has actually had a decent start to his presidency.  Stock market hitting new highs.  Unemployment at 10 year lows.  Illegal immigration down over 60%.

How long will that last when most of those things are caused by Obama-era policies in spite of an openly hostile Congress? The Republicans pledged to undo EVERYTHING he did, and more. You've seen the cabinet, they are either incompetent or doing everything to destroy what makes their respective departments "great". Why would a voucher system work for All American Children, if the data already shows such experiments have been wildly uneven throughout the years? Why would the Housing Secretary do nothing to make housing affordable for the working class? Why is the Interior Secretary letting the splendor of the American countryside go to waste for some oil? What about Rick Perry, who didn't f-ing know his job was to protect the nuclear weapons? And obviously look at the malicious heads of the EPA and Health and Human Services? Both are dedicated to making sure Americans die of neglect through many indirect ways.

What a fantastic swamp! But her fuck ing emails.

 
dopa345 said:
Trump is not a mainstream Republican
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He pretty much is. I know the story is that he's not but he hasn't done anything so far in office that I wouldn't expect from any "mainstream Republican" aside from his bumbling incompetence in foreign affairs. Deregulate, try and kill the ACA, promise big tax breaks for the rich, anti-immigration efforts, etc. A spat with Ryan over border adjustments doesn't make him somehow special.

 
Syntax Error said:
He pretty much is. I know the story is that he's not but he hasn't done anything so far in office that I wouldn't expect from any "mainstream Republican" aside from his bumbling incompetence in foreign affairs. Deregulate, try and kill the ACA, promise big tax breaks for the rich, anti-immigration efforts, etc. A spat with Ryan over border adjustments doesn't make him somehow special.
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Republicans made their bed, they are gonna lie in it
 
Republicans tooting party line that poor people don't pay taxes, even if their job creating buddies nickle and dime them, and their politicians send them to jail for inability to pay court fees and fines. The President wants $4.1 Trillion in cuts, and if the bill is anything like the AHCA, it will serve to hurt his supporters and many Americans, AND the freedom caucus the GOP loves so much wants to see more cuts. https://apnews.com/3fef61a41cd0445ca7dd71aa5bfac1e9/Trump's-$4.1T-budget-relies-on-deep-domestic-cuts?

 
Wow, you heard the news that Angela Merkel said the US will be unreliable from now on, and yesterday Trump definitely announced that we're pulling out of the Paris Climate Accords. A "draconian" burden of the United States, ha! So how many jobs did JFK kill to get to the moon?

Ha! The Greatest Country in the world cannot even figure out a way to improve the technology that sustains our society, cannot even figure out a way to train its workers for the future.

 
Lots of handwringing over withdrawing from a largely symbolic pact which is completely voluntary with no enforcement and largely was just wealth redistribution on a global scale with billions siphoned out of the US economy.    Nothing is stopping corporations, individual states, or cities from continuing their environmental initiatives.

Also unemployment now at a 16 year-low, stock market hitting new highs today.

 
detectiveconan16 said:
Wow, you heard the news that Angela Merkel said the US will be unreliable from now on
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Not quite...

"The times in which [Germany] could fully rely on others are partly over. I have experienced this in the last few days," Merkel said during the event. "We Europeans really have to take our destiny into our own hands."
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And to that I say... good. I feel this isn't how she intended it, but Merkel really sounds like that 26 year old who is being told they have to either move out or get a job and start paying rent. You mean an entire continent of people can no longer rely on a country on the other side of the globe? That you're going to have to start being responsible for yourselves?

Good luck, Europe. Try not to start yet another world war.

PS: Greece is still in trouble. That 0.4% increase isn't worth bragging about when they're literally begging for *another* bailout (£6.4 Billion this time).
 
It speaks volumes that in this forum, not even a single mention about the assassination attempt at Republican Congressmen by a deranged Democratic supporter.  It is disingenuous to blame Trump for inciting violence in his supporters yet to ignore the fact that Democrats are also responsible for the consequences of their virulent rhetoric.

 
That's... what? Huh?

This thread is slow as fuck, so I don't know what you're expecting. It's clearly a one-sided discussion (look at the title), and I can't see anyone honestly saying "Yep, the human garbage was totally justified shooting those people. Certainly they deserved it and he was very obviously instructed to do it from his favorite independent senator who posthumously took a shit on the stupidity he attempted."
 
dopa345 said:
It speaks volumes that in this forum, not even a single mention about the assassination attempt at Republican Congressmen by a deranged Democratic supporter. It is disingenuous to blame Trump for inciting violence in his supporters yet to ignore the fact that Democrats are also responsible for the consequences of their virulent rhetoric.
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Safe to say many here were and still are watering at the mouth. Of course they'll only deny it.
 
dopa345 said:
It speaks volumes that in this forum, not even a single mention about the assassination attempt at Republican Congressmen by a deranged Democratic supporter. It is disingenuous to blame Trump for inciting violence in his supporters yet to ignore the fact that Democrats are also responsible for the consequences of their virulent rhetoric.
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You mean the terrorist attack?
 
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