The "Stay Classy, Republicans" Super Nintendo Chalmers Thread

I had to post this as I got a chuckle out of it.

Even al-Qaida thinks Fox News is full of shit.


"From the professional point of view, they are all on one level—except [Fox News] channel which falls into the abyss as you know, and lacks neutrality too," al-Qaida spokesman Adam Gadahn wrote in the January 2011 letter. The paper was one of a selection of more than 6,000 pages of documents seized during the May 1, 2011, raid that killed Osama bin Laden, which West Point's Combating Terrorism Center released on Thursday.
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http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/cutline/al-qaida-letter-seized-bin-laden-compound-fox-154510302.html
 
[quote name='Admiral Ackbar']That's not completely true. Shep Smith is awesome on Fox.

I dunno how he keeps his job.[/QUOTE]
Yeah...Shep is a guy that gives no fucks. If it wasn't for his high ratings and lone dissenting voice, he'd be outta there. Even Colmes couldn't hack it there, but I guess he was kinda boring so...
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Solidus Snake et al.?[/QUOTE]
How the hell did I miss that! I think I just lost my nerd cred with that one.:cry:
 
[quote name='Clak']Not only, sure, but depending on what that association means, you can certainly infer at least a little about them. If someone is in the Klan I think you can tell at least a little something about them.;)[/QUOTE]

Well that's active participation in an organization that is 100% devoted to white supremecy and such. LDS is an offshoot religion that has funny rules. Some branches are probably more progressive than others and let in the diverse preachers and such. Just like you can't paint all churches as whackos via the words of Wright, you can't attribute sub-category characterisation of organization X to be the be all and end all of all followers.
 
I could ask though, why a church would belong to a wider organization like the LDS if they didn't agree with their policies. See, in a case like Wright's you've got a preacher in a Christian church who, at least to my knowledge, was acting alone. Meaning that his beliefs were his own, and maybe some members of that church. On the other hand, what I posted above was part of LDS doctrine. Whether they (LDS churches) all followed it or not I don't know, but my point is that someone was a member of this organization, and that has to at least say something about that person. I hold people to the same standard I hold myself to, and I'd never belong to an organization with policies like that. I'm not saying it makes Romney a racist, I'm saying he's willing to look the other way.
 
I don't think it's really fair to compare Wright, whose biggest "offense" was saying "Goddamn America," to an organization that systematically didn't allow black ministers until 1980. Especially when Wright was talking about blowback against the US for over two centuries of fucking up a lot of countries and lives, both inside and outside its borders, whereas LDS had a blatantly discriminatory and racist policy.

LDS is whack anyways and their stupid commercials always pissed me off for interrupting my afternoon of 30 minute long toy advertisements.
 
I wonder how many of the individuals who tried to make a case that Obama's choice of faith shouldn't matter will also be the same individuals who will crucify Romney because of his affiliation with the Mormon faith.
 
[quote name='dohdough']I don't think it's really fair to compare Wright, whose biggest "offense" was saying "Goddamn America,"[/QUOTE]

While I agree that they are far from equivalent, this statement ignores Wright's various antisemitic remarks as well.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']I wonder how many of the individuals who tried to make a case that Obama's choice of faith shouldn't matter will also be the same individuals who will crucify Romney because of his affiliation with the Mormon faith.[/QUOTE]

Or people who ignored Falwell, Pat Robertson & John Hagee but made a fuss about Wright.
 
Wait - are we saying that it's okay to bring up Wright when discussing Romney's affiliation with the Mormon church or not? I agree with DD that they're not really equivalent things... but, if you insist...

Did McCain or Romney attend Falwell, Roberton's or Hagee's church? Did McCain or Romney write autobiographical books where they discussion their spiritual and personal relationships and interatcions with Falwell, Roberton's or Hagee?
 
[quote name='UncleBob']While I agree that they are far from equivalent, this statement ignores Wright's various antisemitic remarks as well.[/QUOTE]
Actually, it doesn't. The main beef against Wright was "Goddamn America." Everything else is just trying to add to the fuel to the fire.

I'm not going to defend his wording, but he also later clarified that he was talking about Zionists and the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. Considering he was blasted for some of his remarks at the NAACP dinner, most stuff about him is pretty much a hit job. I don't expect him to be an academic social scientist or anthropologist, so I'm willing to forgive his lack of refinement.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']Wait - are we saying that it's okay to bring up Wright when discussing Romney's affiliation with the Mormon church or not? I agree with DD that they're not really equivalent things... but, if you insist...[/quote]
It was really more of a joke reply from nasum and I wanted to highlight the misconceptions about Wright. Kinda like the the one you're implying here:

Did McCain or Romney attend Falwell, Roberton's or Hagee's church? Did McCain or Romney write autobiographical books where they discussion their spiritual and personal relationships and interatcions with Falwell, Roberton's or Hagee?
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[quote name='UncleBob']I can see how he felt the need to clarify that statement.[/QUOTE]
Oh hey, I have an unsourced quote too!

[quote name='anonymous']Ethnic cleansing is going on in Gaza. Ethnic cleansing (by) the Zionist is a sin and a crime against humanity, and they don't want Barack talking like that because that's anti-Israel[/quote]
 
Thanks for the clip, but he also clarifies what he meant by "Them Jews" in what? Less than a minute while describing the current right wing status of the current Israeli government and powerful lobbying groups within the US?

A transcript and full clip would be preferable next time.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']Wait - are we saying that it's okay to bring up Wright when discussing Romney's affiliation with the Mormon church or not? I agree with DD that they're not really equivalent things... but, if you insist...

Did McCain or Romney attend Falwell, Roberton's or Hagee's church? Did McCain or Romney write autobiographical books where they discussion their spiritual and personal relationships and interatcions with Falwell, Roberton's or Hagee?[/QUOTE]

"we" aren't saying its important or..."okay"...to talk about Wright (anymore) or Mormonism.
 
[quote name='dohdough']Thanks for the clip, but he also clarifies what he meant by "Them Jews" in what? Less than a minute while describing the current right wing status of the current Israeli government and powerful lobbying groups within the US?

A transcript and full clip would be preferable next time.[/QUOTE]

DYOR.

So, if someone used the phrase "Them blacks", later clarifying that they're discussing a specific group of black individuals, even when there's no reasonable evidence that those specific black individuals have anything to do with the initial "them blacks" statement (unless, of course, you believe that the Isralei government is in charge of Obama's schedule)... you'd be okay with the use of "them blacks"?

Personally, it'd probably be the kind of person I'd try to avoid.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']I wonder how many of the individuals who tried to make a case that Obama's choice of faith shouldn't matter will also be the same individuals who will crucify Romney because of his affiliation with the Mormon faith.[/QUOTE]

LOL crucify.

I didn't know "reciting cold stone facts" = "crucify". Explains alot about modern Republican Christianity.
 
I don't look at religion itself as something to indict a candidate for; however, it's important to keep an eye on what religious values and doctrine they allow to permeate their political aspirations. Santorum was really gung-ho with intentions to make his religious morals part of the law. Romney hasn't really done this in a uniquely Mormon way (as opposed to the standard Republican way) that I know of, nor does he seem too attached to his religion to me. If he did, I think it would be fair to bring it into any discussion of his viability as our nation's increasingly more powerful executive position.
 
[quote name='ID2006']I don't look at religion itself as something to indict a candidate for; however, it's important to keep an eye on what religious values and doctrine they allow to permeate their political aspirations. Santorum was really gung-ho with intentions to make his religious morals part of the law. Romney hasn't really done this in a uniquely Mormon way (as opposed to the standard Republican way) that I know of, nor does he seem too attached to his religion to me. If he did, I think it would be fair to bring it into any discussion of his viability as our nation's increasingly more powerful executive position.[/QUOTE]

Yeah I was a little shocked when I heard he had a gay guy doing pub. That is pretty radical for a Mormon.

Personally I don't have an issue with Romney's Mormonism, I just have an issue with certain aspects of Mormonism

I agree that Romney is not a social warz kind of dude. He is more into class warz. The only way that Obama loses is if there are enough ignorant people who just want to unseat our first black president. Obama has, more or less, done a fantastic job. I feel ashamed that there is a willfully ignorant portion of America that refuses to acknowledge that.
 
[quote name='ID2006']I don't look at religion itself as something to indict a candidate for; however, it's important to keep an eye on what religious values and doctrine they allow to permeate their political aspirations. Santorum was really gung-ho with intentions to make his religious morals part of the law. Romney hasn't really done this in a uniquely Mormon way (as opposed to the standard Republican way) that I know of, nor does he seem too attached to his religion to me. If he did, I think it would be fair to bring it into any discussion of his viability as our nation's increasingly more powerful executive position.[/QUOTE]

This, mostly. I'm not interested in a candidate's religion - I'm interested in the policy they bring to the table.

[quote name='camoor']"reciting cold stone facts"[/QUOTE]

Yup.

Romney is a member of the Mormon church.
The Mormon church has a history of prejudice rules.

Those are two "cold stone" facts.

Just like it's "cold stone" facts that Obama's father and step-father were Muslim. And it's a "cold stone" fact that Obama was listed as "Muslim" on a school record when he was younger. And it's a "cold stone" fact that Obama said "my Muslim Faith" in an interview.

It's also a "cold stone" fact that individuals who follow the Islamic faith have a history of doing horrible things to women, Jews, homosexuals, occupants of tall buildings, etc.

So, if someone went on a tangent talking about these two things, you'd have no problem with it, as it's just reciting "cold stone facts", right?
 
[quote name='UncleBob']This, mostly. I'm not interested in a candidate's religion - I'm interested in the policy they bring to the table.



Yup.

Romney is a member of the Mormon church.
The Mormon church has a history of prejudice rules.

Those are two "cold stone" facts.

Just like it's "cold stone" facts that Obama's father and step-father were Muslim. And it's a "cold stone" fact that Obama was listed as "Muslim" on a school record when he was younger. And it's a "cold stone" fact that Obama said "my Muslim Faith" in an interview.

It's also a "cold stone" fact that individuals who follow the Islamic faith have a history of doing horrible things to women, Jews, homosexuals, occupants of tall buildings, etc.

So, if someone went on a tangent talking about these two things, you'd have no problem with it, as it's just reciting "cold stone facts", right?[/QUOTE]

I'm about to lay down a stone cold stunner Yeeeeah

I got no problem with moderate Muslims or Christians. But they both have their kooky sects. fuck even Buddhism has kooky sects, and that's about the most mellow, chill, peace loving religion out there.

So let's shift the discussion to kooky sects. Do you like kooky sects UB. Do ya. Cause if so, I got some Austin 3:16 here for ya Yeeeeeah!
 
I don't really care of someone says they believe David Korseh to be the second coming of Jesus Christ. Again, what policy are they bringing to the table?

Romney's got so many screwed up policies, you'd think it'd be more worth while to focus on those than trying to tie him to religious beliefs without any indication that he does more than pay lip service to them.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']I don't really care of someone says they believe David Korseh to be the second coming of Jesus Christ.[/QUOTE]

That's insane. That's just insane. That's how an insane person speaks.
 
A racist anti-american = Jeremiah Wright.

Just like UB's comment about David Koresh being insane so is anyone who defends Wright. Insane just Insane.
 
“In the 21st century, white America got a wake-up call after 9/11/01. White America and the western world came to realize that people of color had not gone away, faded into the woodwork or just ‘disappeared’ as the Great White West kept on its merry way of ignoring black concerns.”

"It is incontestable and deplorable that (African Americans) have committed crimes; but they are derivative crimes. They are born of the greater crimes of the white society."



"And it's not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them...
Wait What? Judge not, and ye shall not be judged.


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[quote name='UncleBob']So - are you more concerned about the personal beliefs of an individual than you are about the policy they wish to design?[/QUOTE]

No I just think your position on a candidate's religious views is insane. Not sure how much clearer I can make it.

I'm saying they pass stupid. They pass crazy. You're in insane territory.
 
My position of "I don't care" is insane?

Okay then.

Interesting that you hold the religious beliefs of your candidates in such high importance.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']My position of "I don't care" is insane?

Okay then.

Interesting that you hold the religious beliefs of your candidates in such high importance.[/QUOTE]

No - this is insane: "I don't really care of someone says they believe David Korseh to be the second coming of Jesus Christ"

If I'm in a train car and someone blurts that out, I get off the train. You would try get them elected, and that's insane. In the membrane.
 
[quote name='camoor']No - this is insane: "I don't really care of someone says they believe David Korseh to be the second coming of Jesus Christ"

If I'm in a train car and someone blurts that out, I get off the train. You would try get them elected, and that's insane. In the membrane.[/QUOTE]

Oh, hey, look. Camoor is either twisting my words or showing his complete lack of comprehension.

Everyone act surprised.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']Oh, hey, look. Camoor is either twisting my words or showing his complete lack of comprehension.

Everyone act surprised.[/QUOTE]

Did you or did you not say "I don't really care of someone says they believe David Korseh to be the second coming of Jesus Christ. Again, what policy are they bringing to the table?"

Did you or did you not say it. I can see it on the previous page you fool!
 
So, in camoor's world "What policy are they bringing to the table?" = "Let's get this guy elected!"?

Because in the real world, those are two very different positions. Either you're seriously failing to comprehend that or you're intentionally twisting my words. At this point, I honestly can't tell which.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']So, in camoor's world "What policy are they bringing to the table?" = "Let's get this guy elected!"?

Because in the real world, those are two very different positions. Either you're seriously failing to comprehend that or you're intentionally twisting my words. At this point, I honestly can't tell which.[/QUOTE]

You're the one that would elect a guy who worships David Koresh if you liked his policy. That's fucking insane.
 
Again, I simply don't care about the candidate's personal beliefs.

I'm sorry this is so hard for you to wrap your mind around.

Sorry. Not surprised.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']Again, I simply don't care about the candidate's personal beliefs.

I'm sorry this is so hard for you to wrap your mind around.

Sorry. Not surprised.[/QUOTE]

Don't get it twisted, I understand what you're saying.

I'm not saying you're incomprehensible in this instance, I'm saying you're talking as if you are insane. Crazy talk. Loco. Looney toones.
 
Let's say there was a candidate who had plans for cutting military spending, enacting a single-payer health care system, had a design plan for a power plant that would provide virtually free, unlimited energy for the entire planet with no pollution and is willing to pay 100% of the costs to get Nintendo to release NA versions of Mother 1-3.

Let's say that all major lawmakers, from both parties, got on board with these plans. Top scientists reviewed his power plant design and all agree that it would work exactly as promised. Medical experts have looked over his plans for a single-payer system and have declared it the best thing ever. Nintendo is on board for releasing Mother 1-3 and has even promised to produce a 4th installment.

You're saying if this guy then went and said something like "David Koresh is the second coming of Jesus." - but in no way attempted to enact any kind of social policy regarding this belief - that you would vote against him based on this alone?
 
[quote name='camoor']Don't get it twisted, I understand what you're saying.

I'm not saying you're incomprehensible in this instance, I'm saying you're talking as if you are insane. Crazy talk. Loco. Looney toones.[/QUOTE]

You ever read 1984?

There is a part after the protagonist has been tortured for sometime that consists of a dialogue where his torturer claims gravity isn't real and he could float away like a soap bubble if he wanted to (among other things).

This is kind of like that except you have the chance to walk away whenever you wish.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']Let's say there was a candidate who had plans for cutting military spending, enacting a single-payer health care system, had a design plan for a power plant that would provide virtually free, unlimited energy for the entire planet with no pollution and is willing to pay 100% of the costs to get Nintendo to release NA versions of Mother 1-3.

Let's say that all major lawmakers, from both parties, got on board with these plans. Top scientists reviewed his power plant design and all agree that it would work exactly as promised. Medical experts have looked over his plans for a single-payer system and have declared it the best thing ever. Nintendo is on board for releasing Mother 1-3 and has even promised to produce a 4th installment.

You're saying if this guy then went and said something like "David Koresh is the second coming of Jesus." - but in no way attempted to enact any kind of social policy regarding this belief - that you would vote against him based on this alone?[/QUOTE]

As long as it wasn't just a quote that was taken out of context - yes of course. But then again I'm sane.

[quote name='Msut77']You ever read 1984?

There is a part after the protagonist has been tortured for sometime that consists of a dialogue where his torturer claims gravity isn't real and he could float away like a soap bubble if he wanted to (among other things).

This is kind of like that except you have the chance to walk away whenever you wish.[/QUOTE]

I lol'd
 
Bob is basically saying he'd vote for the most batshit crazy motherucker we could find if bob agreed with his policy ideas. I take that as a challenge.
 
[quote name='Clak']Bob is basically saying he'd vote for the most batshit crazy motherucker we could find if bob agreed with his policy ideas. I take that as a challenge.[/QUOTE]
Ron Paul?
 
[quote name='camoor']As long as it wasn't just a quote that was taken out of context - yes of course. [/QUOTE]

So - you'll allow your personal beliefs regarding magic space zombies to determine your vote.

Welcome to the same mindset of the Christian Right Voting Block.

These are the same types of people who believe anyone who doesn't believe in their brand of Jesus isn't right in the head either.

You're like peas in a pod.
 
[quote name='dohdough']Ron Paul?[/QUOTE]
Nah he still manages moments of lucidity every now and then. I'm talking pants on head, the mothership is coming kind of crazy. Actually if Ron Paul and Vermin Supreme were one person that'd probably be ideal.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']So - you'll allow your personal beliefs regarding magic space zombies to determine your vote.[/QUOTE]

Magic space zombies? Congratulations you've just crossed over from insane to incomprehensible.
 
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